Sound Stuff [Archive] - 3D Realms Forums

Pete B

11-16-2004, 04:14 PM

Hi,

My first post here, altought I've been following the progress of the 'Duke Revamp' for sometime now. Anyway, I work in the 'real world' as a recording engineer / musician and I've been thinking about how I could get involved with the new Duke thing.

The music tracks that are played in the original are just MIDI files, I was thinking that I could arrange a full remake and recording of each song since JonoF plans to add MP3 support. Its alot of work, since there is more than 40 songs in the orignal Duke, but I think I could do it. Let me know your opinions and ideas. If theres anyting else you guys need in regards to sound, let me know if theres anything I can do!

Oh also, I've already started on the E1L1 track 'Stalker' and I will post a sample for you tomorrow.

Roger

11-16-2004, 04:17 PM

I think Jonof is actually planning on OGG support as opposed to MP3. It'd probably be better to record it as a wave file then use dBpowerAMP Music Converter to convert it to Ogg-Vorbis.

Pete B

11-16-2004, 04:27 PM

I can covert my final song files into any format you require my dear http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif and I can assure you they will be of the highest quality.

However, MP3's are a good choice if users wish to play their own song collections in the game, just like you can with Unreal Tournament.

Eclipse

11-16-2004, 04:36 PM

You should be aware that Mark McWane (http://markmcwane.com/music-dukenukem.html) has already done this for all of the Duke music, and is thinking of redoing them again with better quality samples. However, i'd certainly love to hear another take on the Duke music http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Another Duke Fan

11-16-2004, 04:37 PM

http://markmcwane.com/music-dukenukem.html http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

Pete B

11-16-2004, 04:43 PM

Damn lol. I thought I was onto something good there. I'll check out his tracks.

Well, if theres any other sound stuff you guys need then just let me know.

Killd a ton

11-17-2004, 01:42 AM

mp3 isn't free in the same way ogg is.

OGG is better qulity and higher compresion.

mostly any player plays OGG, but you are right that most ppl hase there songs in mp3 so they would have to convert them in taht case.

Boinky

11-17-2004, 01:43 AM

What about redoing teh sound effects to be cleaner maybe??? *shrug an idea

DukeAtomic

11-17-2004, 05:44 AM

Actually I've sort of already started on that. I haven't been increasing the old sounds' quality, but I have been finding high quality replacements. My new shotgun sounds are very, very nice. I also have some of Born to be Wild playing in E3L1.
I'd post it all here except that its way too big for this site, plus I've got nowhere else to put it.

zilppuri

11-17-2004, 06:36 AM

You hope you are not just ripping those sounds of some other games..
royalty free sfx collections cost damn, so finding replacements might be hard. It would be cool if someone took time to actually create new sounds, but that would take a lot work and talent.

And I must say I don't like those arrangements by Mark McWane. I think they still sound much like the midi and there is way too much echo. Also cymbals are very high in grabbag...

I like more of the Grabbag "remix" by Bonch (don't know where to get it anymore), and Gotham and Waterworld remixes by Bart Klepka (http://bart.overclocked.org/)

Killd a ton

11-17-2004, 07:17 AM

yer episode 1 sound like clasical music witch isn't so hard rocking :/

Garbage by Mega Death is my favorit http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
and then theres offcause the one used in the last E3 trailer (it in the downloads).

IHerman

11-17-2004, 07:56 AM

I have the Bonch version of Grabbag. Actually 2 different ones.

I can e-mail them to you or put them on my site for download. Afaik there's no copyright on it.

Pete B

11-17-2004, 01:55 PM

I haven't been able to check out that other guys tracks just yet, but if you say they sound much like midi files then just wait couple of days and you will be able to compare them to my versions. I've used alot of real Orchestral sounds plus real drum kits etc so it sounds top notch! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I spent like 8 hours in the Studio on monday organising all this, I promise to get that snippet online soon so you can give me some feedback.

As for the actual sounds in Duke, I have access to huge sample library's which we use in the Studio, and they have to be royalty free anyway otherwise the artists we record wouldn't be able to use them in their commercial songs. I own the copyright on alot of the sounds myself and dont mind using them in Duke since I'm being part of this project now. I'll see what I can cook up.

We might have a problem with Dukes voice though, I doubt I will find anyone with the same voice who is prepared to re-record everything in the Studio. I might play around with the orignal sound files to see if I can improve their quality.

Pete B

11-17-2004, 01:58 PM

Killd a ton said:
mp3 isn't free in the same way ogg is.

Yes it is. If I decide to write and record a piece of music and then encode it to MP3 I am free to distribute however I like.

zilppuri

11-17-2004, 02:42 PM

Pete B said:

Killd a ton said:
mp3 isn't free in the same way ogg is.

Yes it is. If I decide to write and record a piece of music and then encode it to MP3 I am free to distribute however I like.

But apparently the actual mp3 decoding isn't free? Atleast some company claimed ownership for it sometime ago..

IHerman

11-17-2004, 02:57 PM

Dukes voice is definately going to be a problem. And I don't think you can just upsample the original samples (or whetever they are called).

I can't wait to hear your first demo.

Pete B

11-17-2004, 02:58 PM

Shit... Thats harsh about the MP3 thing http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Regarding the sounds, I've just been tinkering with 'Your face your ass whats the difference' and there's not much that can be done. There's a slight improvemnt but because the sounds were recorded at 8bit resolution, they just sound 'grainy' if I'm not careful.

Veign

11-17-2004, 03:59 PM

As awesome as Megadeth's cover of Grabbag is, I highly doubt we could get them to give us rights to distribute it. It's not like Dave Mustaine posts on these forums.

Tesserex

11-17-2004, 04:19 PM

I'm totally a fan of the original grabbag audio track found on the atomic CD. How is that one done? All synthesized but not midi?

Pete B

11-17-2004, 04:24 PM

The one on the Atomic CD is not MIDI, it was completely re-recorded (and sounds quite good). If its not possible to use this in our project then I can easily arrange a recording to be make of Grabbag, and it wouldn't be too hard to get it sounding like the one on the Atomic CD since its just Guitars and Synthesizers.

Roger

11-17-2004, 08:40 PM

Veign said:
As awesome as Megadeth's cover of Grabbag is, I highly doubt we could get them to give us rights to distribute it. It's not like Dave Mustaine posts on these forums.

I post on his.

Also, am I the only one who knows where to actually get the Grabbag theme song not in MIDI format from 3DR? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Just convert it to Ogg-Vorbis with the program I mentioned above.

Roma Loom

11-17-2004, 09:00 PM

IHerman said:
Dukes voice is definately going to be a problem. And I don't think you can just upsample the original samples (or whetever they are called).
I can't wait to hear your first demo.

In fact I heard Mean Person talking exactly like Duke after a few cold cans of beer except for pronounciation... I'm serious! Somebody should catch a cold or something and sacrifice a bit of own health to gave a full rebirth to Duke Nukem. [cultist alert]

DSotM

11-17-2004, 11:59 PM

I dont really like the mcwane version of grabbag I like that megadeth one yeah http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif the other mcwane stuff is alright, better than MIDI by far anyhow

/me puts on megadeth duke theme.

dont think its actually megadeth, certainly doenst sound like them.....but thats what the MP3 is named

Killd a ton

11-18-2004, 07:19 AM

To add i just enden a round of having the cold http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

It is actualy megadeth you can find it on the cd
Duke Nukem: Music to Score by CD

http://megadeth.com/index.php?section=otherrel

Jezza

11-18-2004, 10:43 AM

DSotM said:

/me puts on megadeth duke theme.

dont think its actually megadeth, certainly doenst sound like them.....but thats what the MP3 is named

Depends which one you're listening to... There was a version done by someone called Giga Death aswell, for one of the E3 videos...

Roger

11-18-2004, 12:44 PM

DSotM said:
I dont really like the mcwane version of grabbag I like that megadeth one yeah http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif the other mcwane stuff is alright, better than MIDI by far anyhow

/me puts on megadeth duke theme.

dont think its actually megadeth, certainly doenst sound like them.....but thats what the MP3 is named

Megadeth released Grabbag on the Japanese version of "Risk" and "Duke Nukem: Music To Score By."

Pete B

11-18-2004, 06:17 PM

My fellow dudes....

Here is a sample of the Stalker track I've been doing. Its very electronic but there are a few orchestral pieces in it. Still needs some work tho, mainly the bass drum because it sounds cheap!

http://www.djpeteb.com/stalker_sample.mp3

If you guys think its worth it, then I will proceed with other tracks.

Roma Loom

11-18-2004, 06:45 PM

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif COOL! lol
Don't change anything - keep it in that style! In fact Stalker was always my favourite... Never had a clue why people like Grabbag, It's not so good for me as the Stalker!
You're the Man, Pete B. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Pete B

11-18-2004, 06:57 PM

Thanks!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

It might be a good idea for people to check this out on a decent system if they only have crappy PC speakers.

...Although, having thought about it, that would pretty much defeat the object lol http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

endmilled

11-18-2004, 09:27 PM

Pete B said:
My fellow dudes....

Here is a sample of the Stalker track I've been doing. Its very electronic but there are a few orchestral pieces in it. Still needs some work tho, mainly the bass drum because it sounds cheap!

If you guys think its worth it, then I will proceed with other tracks.

I Love that track! I sorta like "very electronic" music. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif You're right about the bass needing some work. Needs some deeper rumble! (my opinion) Otherwise is sounded great on my surround sound system!

Killd a ton

11-19-2004, 05:57 AM

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif It's worth it, it is definatly worth it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I agree with the bass being a bit cheap but god *** this is no midi any more and it sounds grate.

my personaly favorits whrere alienz, stalker and grab bag in no particulalery order.

IHerman

11-19-2004, 06:38 AM

right now I have crappy PC speakers, but as soon as I get some I'll "hear" into it. My speakersystem rules.

I even like listening to the old midi-files with them, so this should be a blast.

I just listened to the sample, sounds good even through my crappy speakers, can't wait to listen to the rest, and put them in my cell-phone. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ecmaster76

11-19-2004, 07:09 AM

Hell Yeah!
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I generally agree with the comments everyone above made.

Also I think the main theme from 0:08-0:24 is a little too quiet and getting covered up by the percussion part. Not bad or anything; I understand that its still in the making.

Pete B

11-19-2004, 07:21 AM

Ok so the general vibe is to keep it going. I'll have this finished off today and start on some more tracks.

Thanks for your feedback! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

IHerman

11-19-2004, 12:43 PM

I say keep it going, it sounds really, really good. Allthough I agree that in the part from 07 to 23 seconds the melody could be louder.

I'm sorry to say that MarkMcWane's tracks sound worse than midi on my Audigy. It's absolutely not how I would want it to be.

Pete B

11-19-2004, 02:44 PM

Ok I'll fix that problem with Stalker, but I must say it didn't sound to bad when I did it. I have noticed that 128kbps MP3 has a habbit of doing strange things to my songs. The finished version will be perfect I promise you.

Just as a tease, here is another sample. This time its the track from E1L3 - 'Streets'

http://www.djpeteb.com/streets_sample.mp3

This is still in the making, but do feel free to share your thoughts.

Ecmaster76

11-19-2004, 06:50 PM

Very good as well, maybe a little too electric, but just keep at it and I am sure you will do fine. I wish I had some skill at this stuff. I did one non-Duke remix anout a year ago, it was fun, but ...

DSotM

11-19-2004, 06:58 PM

I like the electronic sound....considering most were in midi format they need to have some creative license if remixing/remaking them and I think that electronic type sound gives the song life compared to a more generic MIDI style tone...keep up the good work and give us some full versions!

Eclipse

11-19-2004, 07:25 PM

Pete B said:
If you guys think its worth it, then I will proceed with other tracks.

Holy electronic remake Batman! I love it! Please continue http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Edit: and you're from Sunderland! Couldn't get any better than that... Ha'way the lads http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Viciarg

11-20-2004, 03:22 AM

Will you provide the whole remixes once they're complete?

I like them, nice dance tracks, but I don't think they fit into the D3D-Setting. They're way too synthetic and too dominant. IMHO a soundtrack should be in the background and provide ambience and shouldn't be so dominant. I really liked the "soundtrack" of Doom64, that's athmosphere http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Pete B

11-20-2004, 06:37 AM

Yeah I agree they are a bit too 'in-yer-face' at the moment, but the thing is those 2 tracks I've been doing are probably the only 2 in Duke3D which are designed to be electronic. I want to do more work with 'Streets' cos at the moment it IS too dancy.

Part of the problem is working out how the original artist intended the song to be. I can't wait to do 'Pizzed' cos that one will be wicked, and 'Dethtoll' will be pretty much just classical/orchestral stuff. Also, I'll get the full versions uploaded for Monday.

Edit: Eclipse, do you come from Sunderland as well?

Eclipse

11-20-2004, 09:34 AM

I'm from Durham, but have supported Sunderland since I was a kid http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Another Duke Fan

11-20-2004, 10:45 AM

Pete B said:
Just as a tease, here is another sample. This time its the track from E1L3 - 'Streets'

http://www.djpeteb.com/streets_sample.mp3

This is still in the making, but do feel free to share your thoughts.

This sounds so COOL!! Keep it up!

Boinky

11-22-2004, 12:31 AM

Wow damn nice stuff man... Stalker gave me goosebumps! but Streets sounds a lil technoish... Its not bad but it doesnt sound like the original that much either.. I like your stuff, if you want the music in the background turn it down in your options... I Love playing Alienz while Im kickin ass in multiplayer so I want it loud as it can be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

TerminX

11-22-2004, 03:36 AM

These samples are really good -- please do more in this style. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DrFunkenstien

11-30-2004, 02:24 AM

Hey folks

Pete B -- just heard your remix -- SOUNDS WICKED!!! Keep it up man!

Also was someone saying something before about re-doing the sound effects of Duke's voice in higher quality? You could try asking John St. John, very politely, to help out. Just a thought.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Kef Nukem

11-30-2004, 10:42 AM

damn, Pete.. that is absolutely awesome, Stalker has always been one of my favorite "Duke3d" songs and the remake was great as well, too bad it ended after 30 sec http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Pete B

01-09-2005, 04:51 PM

Hello peeps.

Sorry I haven't been online for the past few weeks, I've had my broadband connection taken out and only have limited interenet access at the moments.

Been working really hard lately and I've got loads of the soundtracks done now. Its about halfway complete, so I'll keep it going and post tracks whenever I can.

I should have BB back again soon so I'll be able to get the full versions uploaded.

Roma Loom

01-09-2005, 06:11 PM

Pete B said:
Sorry I haven't been online for the past few weeks...

More than a month, I believe... But I'm personally glad to hear You again. Your stalker version got stuck into my mind... I do believe that the other tracks are done in the same style, quality and spirit.

Cheers.
- Roma.

Eclipse

01-10-2005, 08:32 AM

Pete B said:
I should have BB back again soon so I'll be able to get the full versions uploaded.

Just let me know if you need a mirror mate, I'll get them uploaded to fileplanet for you.

Parkar

01-10-2005, 09:11 AM

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Songsoverruins

01-11-2005, 10:07 AM

Those sound-snippets are just ... AWE-SOME !! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif I think the final songs wouldn't be out of place in nightclubs http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

gungriffon geona

01-11-2005, 03:46 PM

streets sounds... weird. something about it just doesn't sit right. that second sound that starts playing, it doesn't sound right.

as for switching them to OGG, might I suggest Audacity? It's awesome for tuning songs and such, and can change the file formats without any hassle. you will need the Lame MP3 encoder to import and export MP3 files, but that can be found on the Audacity site as well.

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Pete B

01-12-2005, 10:38 AM

The full versions of the two songs above have changed a bit, they are much better now, not so much 'techno style'.

But what exactly do you mean it doesn't sound right? If you can be more specific I can look into the problem.

gungriffon geona

01-12-2005, 03:27 PM

that instrument at 0:26 in the sample. It's very odd, and sounds bad.

Roma Loom

01-12-2005, 05:25 PM

Hey Pete B, the "techno style" for Stalker was cool, but as for the Streets - the second pattern (which repeats the main pattern but with another instrument) is really weird...

Raziel-chan

02-24-2005, 10:12 AM

Why didn't i find this thread earlier?!

Your "Stalker" version is awesome! Even my friend, who don't like duke 3d music was impressed by it.

When are you planning to release the full version?

Blade Nightflame

02-24-2005, 10:17 AM

Any more updates? I'd like to hear more of yer Duke3d songs. ^^

Parkar

02-24-2005, 10:21 AM

Yea I am interested in how its progressing as well.

Okira

02-24-2005, 02:12 PM

STALKER PWNZ!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
It's fantastic i love this techno style!

Pete B

03-14-2005, 09:37 PM

Hi all. Sorry for the lack of communication recently, I've been so busy.

Good news is I'm still working on these soundtracks, altho not as fast as I would like to. But I will keep you all updated from time to time. I've got a fair few songs done now.

Blade Nightflame

03-15-2005, 04:20 AM

Pete B said:
Hi all. Sorry for the lack of communication recently, I've been so busy.

Good news is I'm still working on these soundtracks, altho not as fast as I would like to. But I will keep you all updated from time to time. I've got a fair few songs done now.

Such as?.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Killd a ton

03-15-2005, 11:14 AM

thanks for the update, looking forwared to releas.

Scooter

03-15-2005, 10:43 PM

OMFG!!!11 ADSFdsfa wow http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Pete B, your Stalker version ROCKS, please please please, give us full versions of these gems, please!!

3D Master

03-16-2005, 04:06 AM

I agree, it's green, please continue churning out ogg files, so when ogg support is in JFDuke we can dump it in there.

Piterplus

03-19-2005, 11:51 AM

Just a thought - is it legal to use extracts from Steppenwolf's "Born to be wild" song in Karaoke bar e3l1?

gungriffon geona

03-19-2005, 02:16 PM

I severely doubt it being legal.

Pete B

03-27-2005, 05:01 PM

Yes that would be illegal. It would have to be completely recreated just like all the other soundtracks.

I can arrange this if people want a new version putting in the game.

TerminX

03-27-2005, 06:16 PM

piterplus said:
Just a thought - is it legal to use extracts from Steppenwolf's "Born to be wild" song in Karaoke bar e3l1?

Yes, I believe it would be legal -- I believe this would firmly fall under fair use.

Scooter

03-27-2005, 08:20 PM

so? where are our new duke tracks? stalker? streets? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Piterplus

03-28-2005, 02:10 AM

TerminX said:

piterplus said:
Just a thought - is it legal to use extracts from Steppenwolf's "Born to be wild" song in Karaoke bar e3l1?

Yes, I believe it would be legal -- I believe this would firmly fall under fair use.

In this case I choose to believe TerminX http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Here is a little mod I did for myself, which replace 2BWILD.VOC (music in karaoke bar) with 13 sec loop from "Born to be wild" song.
http://members.lycos.co.uk/piterplus/download/BTBW.zip
While there is no mp3 or ogg support in the Jonof port, I had to convert it to .voc format and pack in .grp.
In the future it will be pretty easy to use it in any other format compatible with port.
Another note - actually, I tried to contact with song's rights holder (Mr. John Key) to get his permition to use this excerpt in our port. As it may be expected, I did not receive an answer.

Matteus

03-29-2005, 05:40 PM

TerminX said:

piterplus said:
Just a thought - is it legal to use extracts from Steppenwolf's "Born to be wild" song in Karaoke bar e3l1?

Yes, I believe it would be legal -- I believe this would firmly fall under fair use.

I have to disagree with you, TerminX. This use doesn't meet any of the criteria for Fair Use.

US Copyright Office on Fair Use (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html)

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered “fair,” such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.

TerminX

03-29-2005, 07:35 PM

Matteus said:

TerminX said:

piterplus said:
Just a thought - is it legal to use extracts from Steppenwolf's "Born to be wild" song in Karaoke bar e3l1?

Yes, I believe it would be legal -- I believe this would firmly fall under fair use.

I have to disagree with you, TerminX. This use doesn't meet any of the criteria for Fair Use.

US Copyright Office on Fair Use (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html)

Section 107 contains a list of the various purposes for which the reproduction of a particular work may be considered “fair,” such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research.

However, directly after that passage comes this one:

Section 107 also sets out four factors to be considered in determining whether or not a particular use is fair:

the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes;
the nature of the copyrighted work;
amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and
the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work.

When it all comes down to it, it's an extremely small portion of a song on the Internet, used for a completely uncommmercial nature, with absolutely zero potential to affect the value of the copyrighted work. I still believe this falls under fair use, but as the page says, fair use is not easily defined.

Pete B

04-03-2005, 06:56 PM

I think this is a subject we should ask 3DR about. I know for certain in UK & Europe, you may not use a copyrighted peice of recording no matter how small the sample is. It does not matter if our project holds no commecial value, the point is we would still be redistributing recorded work electronically.

Since this is a non commercial project we could probably contact the record company/publisher/author and ask for written permission to use the sample.

Its all a hazy subject, but I insist the best thing to do is just recreate the track.

TerminX

04-03-2005, 07:59 PM

Pete B said:
I think this is a subject we should ask 3DR about.

Why would anyone ask 3DR about property 3DR doesn't own? If "rap artists" can get away with sampling songs and selling tracks made with them, and if remixes are legal, I still don't see a problem with using a 10 second clip.

Boinky

04-03-2005, 09:30 PM

I'd have to agree w/ Tx. My friend played a song for me the other day.. Little John repeats the first rift of Crazy Train by Ozzie over and over and over. You can tell he just ripped it cause it even has Ozzies scream in it...

Killd a ton

04-04-2005, 10:10 AM

maby the they got premision from the lable....
i think that it is legal to play some one else song as long as you don't sell it, like using part of it on a concert or somthing like that, or maby the labes just dosent care or we dont heare about it...

Boinky

04-04-2005, 12:52 PM

Killd a ton said:
maby the they got premision from the lable....
i think that it is legal to play some one else song as long as you don't sell it, like using part of it on a concert or somthing like that, or maby the labes just dosent care or we dont heare about it...

Like TX said, rappers do it all the time, its in their CDs.. That Little John song I referred to is on one of his CDs. So they are selling it

Viciarg

04-04-2005, 07:20 PM

Pete B said:
I know for certain in UK & Europe, you may not use a copyrighted peice of recording no matter how small the sample is.

This is not right for germany.

NeoN

04-08-2005, 04:59 AM

Pete, thats superb!!! When are you going to start releasing full versions?

mental stampede

04-08-2005, 05:10 AM

Killd a ton Said:
maby the they got premision from the lable....
i think that it is legal to play some one else song as long as you don't sell it, like using part of it on a concert or somthing like that, or maby the labes just dosent care or we dont heare about it...

Permission from the label/Owner of the song is the way it's done. Unfortunately, the common denominator is money. With rappers sampling stuff, permission is usually paid for with up front fees, or a percentage of whatever the person using the sample makes with it. Technically, you're supposed to have permission for public performance as well.

Of course, once the copyright expires, anything goes. However, i believe verything discussed in this thread has a current copyright.