I love College!!

[Taril]

Wow, I just registered for my first classes,starting in spring.. itll be the first time im going to college.. Im gonna be going for an A.S. degree, in Computer Programming and Analysis.. But thats not the part that makes me love it so.. Its the fact, that now that im registered, I can get Microsoft Visual Studio.net 2003 Academic edition for 99 bucks, instead of over well close to a $1000.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Im so happy!

[DigitalHammer]

And I can get the full version of MS Visual Studio 2003.net for free! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Anyway, have fun in college. Keep your valuables locked up though--roomies can be thieving asshats.

[Taril]

Well, yea, I mean, thats better, but legally, it doesnt get any closer to free than this.. Hell compared to 1000 bucks this feels like free too..

[DigitalHammer]

Eric19 said:
Well, yea, I mean, thats better, but legally, it doesnt get any closer to free than this.. Hell compared to 1000 bucks this feels like free too..



MSDN http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Taril]

Im going to assume, your refering to the 2005 Express Betas? I tried some of those, and couldnt get them to work properly..

[AlienAssKicker]

No, MSDN. The real thing. I also get free microsoft and other software company products through my University License.

But I hate School. especially now, I've never hated it so much in my life. It's 5 minutes before midnight on a sunday night and I just came back from school where I spent well over 13 hours working on a project. And right now, I have 7 hours to do a database and math assignment. Usually I don't mind but I'm getting tired of spending my past 6 weekends at school. I hate school.

[Derwin]

AlienAssKicker, I just realized you are part of the DNF cult... nice placement...

Anyway, college is great, but I have finals in a week, so I am slowly melting into a puddle of ooze that might or might not be able to take tests. I am not certain yet... but I'm sure that if an ameoba can do it, so can I

[DudeMiester]

I get it free too, both through the university and www.thespoke.net (http://www.thespoke.net) where I have an intermittent blog, which btw I also got free. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Theseus314]

Eric19 said:
Well, yea, I mean, thats better, but legally, it doesnt get any closer to free than this.. Hell compared to 1000 bucks this feels like free too..



I also get it free via MSAA. Microsoft are always really good about giving away their software freely to people who would otherwise pirate it...

Anyhow, University is great, a good CS course is awesome too. Although I do miss sleeping as a result of mine sometimes...

[DudeMiester]

I miss sleeping as a result of these forums. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Destroyer]

Eric19 said:
Wow, I just registered for my first classes,starting in spring.. itll be the first time im going to college.. Im gonna be going for an A.S. degree, in Computer Programming and Analysis.. But thats not the part that makes me love it so.. Its the fact, that now that im registered, I can get Microsoft Visual Studio.net 2003 Academic edition for 99 bucks, instead of over well close to a $1000.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Im so happy!


I got that from my university for 0 dollars, that and much more microsoft software. they gave it to all comp sci majors.

[Kristian Joensen]

Why do American colleges have majors and minors ?

[Destroyer]

major is what ur an expert in and minor is what u know but ur not an expert in

[Alcoholic 007]

Kristian Joensen said:
Why do American colleges have majors and minors ?



USA colleges.

We do because we are ******* morons. Some how we have a system which values deranged bookworm factoid memorization over field experience and internship in qualified fields.

Well I am jumping the gun a little bit... all colleges encourage and offer internships to seniors in their major field, where available.

Personally I like the European style of education: start young, train young, become adults young. Too much ******* about in this great old USA in the field of educaion. They need new professors, but I hardly think making everyone go up to their ears in debt by trying to force them in to a book knowlege base for professing is hardly working for us, despite the few that do get what they want from it; a job that makes money and pays of their debt.

Arg. Well anyway... I also think we need to get back to agriculture and ag based communities with a greater focus on more naturalist ideas; not hippy shit, realisitic survival shit. But... a lot of people would rather be lazy (as I am now) with their abilities and just place hold dreary jobs with dreary futures.


Hahaa..... sorry for the "rant" or whatever they call that these days, I just have strokes of negative outlooks on this country quite often. Note: This outlook is not liberal or conservative; I am neutral. I see problems with this black and white system. Some times gray/grey area is the solution.

Peace. :-)

[ADM]

Kristian Joensen said:
Why do American colleges have majors and minors ?



Our Universities in Australia have majors and minors as well.

[Kristian Joensen]

Destroyer said:
major is what ur an expert in and minor is what u know but ur not an expert in



But the thing is you have to have a minor and there are general education requirements to, if these where merely options then I would like the system but these are requirements.

Plus aquiring a Bachelors degree takes one more year, four in stead of three.

If I was to study economics in for example a danish university I would have only courses in economics and related/helper fields, that could be political science(electives), mathematics and statistics.

But at an american university I would have to take courses in everything from english to stuff like maybe philosophy or biology.

In the at american system you get to know a little bit about alot of things and little than that in some major area of study.

In European system you get to know alot about one particualr area of study, maybe something about some related fields and then nothing about the rest.

European universities train specialists whilst American universities train generalists.

[Alcoholic 007]

^ I prefer the Euro method. I have been in "general education/college preparatory" type courses since first grade.

I think that the general education should be done by 10th grade. If we all didn't get so bored with the same old crap I am allmost certain it would work (there's that other problem; disruptive students with parents who never taught them respect, morality, etc, and expect the teachers to waste time teaching these things.)

I am at a 4 year shool right now. I have not met anyone who has gone through in less than 5 years who strarted shool when I did except for 5 of my high school friends. These friends were all in the classes in high school which would allow their credit in those classes to go to College GE as long as they passed a test (for which they pay extra money) to take at the end of the year.

I have cruised through the JC (thought I would save money in the long run) and got my 3 year AA degree (as they and their program laid out) along with the full GE requirement. Now at College they are making me take more GE courses to fill in the stuff which has become additionally required to graduate.

As it stands, my major will take an aditional 2-3 years, depending on what I do with it and how in depth I go.

This rounds out my total years of GE to 3 years so far (past high school) and some Art stuff for the AA at the JC (not transferable, so I have to retake some stuff.)

I have not learned more than maybe a few pages worth of new information in the past 6 years of school I have had (that includes my 11th and 12th grade school years and leaves out the 2 years I took off from school.)

If they were to cut out a large portion of the same old mundane GE crap we have been doing every year since 10th grade, I would like the USA system much more, probably better than the Euro system, provided internships were offered in high school as well as college.

Anyway... this is a topic we discuss a lot at the University. We really cannot fathom why else we would be forced to undergo the same crap for so many years for any other reason than the desire for money to continue feeding the schools.

[Kristian Joensen]

I would love the american system if it had optional minors and optional general education courses.

[Destroyer]

Kristian Joensen said:
I would love the american system if it had optional minors and optional general education courses.


minors are optional, and most of the GE courses you get alot of choice, You have catagories and u pick a class from each catagory. but I do agree there is too much GE.

[Kristian Joensen]

Minors optional, since when ?

I have been to the homepages of many colleges/universities I have gotten the distinct impression that minors are required.

[Seraph]

Minors aren't really required by some establishments. In my case, Academic Services forbids Music Education Majors to have a minor. The curriculum has been deemed far too demanding, and we can't have one. Mine is a special case, but I'm certain there are other places that don't mandate you have a minor.

[BillyD]

Kristian Joensen said:
In the at american system you get to know a little bit about alot of things and little than that in some major area of study.


I don't know about others, but next fall I'm starting three years of major related courses (my major courses plus some mathematics required). I'll be through with my basic bullshit by the end of this next term. Maybe I'm weird, but I don't of think three years of full time major specific courses as being taught "a little" of anything.

I'm in the same boat as others, though. My bachelors will have taken me five years to complete by the time I'm through, and I heard some people could finish it in three by going through junior college first and getting your basics done there? guess not... No worries, though. After my bachelors I'm planning on working on a masters and doctoral degree. I want to have that all completed rather than waiting until halfway through my life and career.

[warlordQ]

Yeah good luck with your studies http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Heres a school in Osaka, Japan...
HAL Game school in Osaka (http://www.hal.ac.jp/hal_html/fr_osaka_facilities_main.html)

I will translate the photos... starting from the top left...

Here is the entrance hall
You are greeted in the Entrance hall by `HALLO` the robot
The classrooms are located beyond this point
Employment guidence room
Rest area
the next picture didnt load??
Cosmic hall
Multimedia room
Internet range
The lastest 5.1 digital sound technology
Playstation and Net Yarouze starter kits
Nintendo Game Cube and Gameboy Advance
Digital Graphic tools - MayaNT - Non Linear designer systems
24Bit samplers
Multimedia lab - You can use XG-Works - Dream weaver tools
CG Designer room with MAC G4s


Apart from that, i really need to brush up on my Kanji studies.. there were a few Kanji that i couldnt read at all...

yeah great school http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif you need to pass level 3 of the Japanease Proficiary test to be able to get into this school.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif if you manage to get a scholarship, and attend this school, you are set for life... They also gurantee you a job in one of the game companies... most of the graduates from the Osaka campus will pick "Capcom" for employment, becuase its located just around the corner from the school...

[Alcoholic 007]

Minor's are not required unless you are a single major and want to get a jorb.

I just got the entire Adobe CS for $218 at the end of Feb.

It's grand and quite useful.

[u]It includes</u>:
Adobe Photoshop
Illustrator
InDesign
GoLive
Adobe Acrobat 7.0 Professional with Version Cue

Each of those programs costs more than $200 each, so this is quite helpful to me!

[Kristian Joensen]

That does not fit with what I have read on the homepages of american colleges and universities.

Plus, american Bachelor degree take 4 years instead of 3 years.

[Alcoholic 007]

Minor's are not required unless you are a single major and want to get a jorb.




Sorry for the misunderstanding...

What I mean by that quote is this:

Minors are not required.

BUT... if you are a single major and you want to get a jorb, you better have a minor to impress a possible future employer.

[Kristian Joensen]

What is a jorb, you probaply mean a job ?

[DudeMiester]

Job!=Jorb

Actually I'm just trying to confuse http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Destroyer]

no its not that important to get a minor to get a job, a minor isnt that important, If I could graduate 1 yr faster and not get a minor I would do that.

[tony]

At my university a minor is only required with some degrees. For example, if i were to major in Computer Science or History (amoung others), a minor is not required. My major, Industrial Tech. requires a minor in business.

Most majors outlined at my university 'recomend' having a minor, but not all require it. It depends on the university and the degree; saying that all american universitys require it is simply wrong.

[Kristian Joensen]

That is interesting, is it possible to get a 3 years bachelor at a american unversity ?

[tony]

Kristian Joensen said:
That is interesting, is it possible to get a 3 years bachelor at a american unversity ?



Some schools are on the quarter-based system and some a semester base, I only have experience with a semester system, so thats what I'll talk about.

To get a bachelors you need to take x amount of units. Each major has a different requirement. If you can manage to take all the required cources before the four years is up, you can graduate. For example, my major requires 128 total units (I think). If I took 19 units per semester (five classes) and an aditional 6 (two classes) durring the summer semester, I would have more than the required amount after three years. So yes, it is possible. There are some other classes that are more than 3 units, too.

However, some science degrees require a lot more units for graduation. So some degrees you can finish quickly, while others will take a while to actually get. There are some other ways to quicken the process, such as taking college-level courses while you're still in highschool or testing out of classes for credits.

Typically, the first two years of a four-year degree are your general education classes, while the second half are core-classes related to your major. If we didnt place the GE requirements on getting a degree getting a degree in two years would be possible.

Also, some 'carrer oriented' schools have a fast-track degree system. For example, you can get a Bachelors degree in Electronics Engeneering from Devry in 9 semesters, which is three years. (If you go year-round) The problem with places like Devry is they dont have as much weight as a 'real' university does on a resume. Which is a shame, in my opinion.

[Megami]

Eric19 said:
Well, yea, I mean, thats better, but legally, it doesnt get any closer to free than this.. Hell compared to 1000 bucks this feels like free too..



Errr... yes it does

I can get it LEGALLY from MSDN for like 15 bucks Professional/FULL Install... should be coming tuesday http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Destroyer]

tony said:
At my university a minor is only required with some degrees. For example, if i were to major in Computer Science or History (amoung others), a minor is not required. My major, Industrial Tech. requires a minor in business.

Most majors outlined at my university 'recomend' having a minor, but not all require it. It depends on the university and the degree; saying that all american universitys require it is simply wrong.


what university would this be?

[tony]

Destroyer said:

what university would this be?



http://www.sjsu.edu

[Destroyer]

hey cool, thats suppose to be like our sister university.
Fresno State (www.csufresno.edu) hey hows your computer science department there?

[shiranui]

warlordQ said:
Yeah good luck with your studies http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Heres a school in Osaka, Japan...
HAL Game school in Osaka (http://www.hal.ac.jp/hal_html/fr_osaka_facilities_main.html)

I will translate the photos... starting from the top left...

Here is the entrance hall
You are greeted in the Entrance hall by `HALLO` the robot
The classrooms are located beyond this point
Employment guidence room
Rest area
the next picture didnt load??
Cosmic hall
Multimedia room
Internet range
The lastest 5.1 digital sound technology
Playstation and Net Yarouze starter kits
Nintendo Game Cube and Gameboy Advance
Digital Graphic tools - MayaNT - Non Linear designer systems
24Bit samplers
Multimedia lab - You can use XG-Works - Dream weaver tools
CG Designer room with MAC G4s


Apart from that, i really need to brush up on my Kanji studies.. there were a few Kanji that i couldnt read at all...

yeah great school http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif you need to pass level 3 of the Japanease Proficiary test to be able to get into this school.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif if you manage to get a scholarship, and attend this school, you are set for life... They also gurantee you a job in one of the game companies... most of the graduates from the Osaka campus will pick "Capcom" for employment, becuase its located just around the corner from the school...



I live 10 minutes (on foot) away from HAL.

Oh, and I sincerely doubt that level 3 of the Japanese proficiency test would be sufficient... level 2 might be ok.

I have level 1, but I think it's a pretty crappy test.