New Doctor Who TV Series Trailer out!

[Joe Siegler]

I had sent a PM to Mountain Main about this first, and then decided it might be better to move this to a public thread.

There's a teaser trailer out for the new series of Doctor Who. Check it out here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/drwho/2004/12/06/15823.shtml


Mountain Man said:
Thanks for the heads up! No, I hadn't seen the trailer yet. I was hoping to see Eccleston "in character" but no such luck. The music sounds like a mix of the old and the new, and if I'm not mistaken, was there some sort of vapor effect added as the TARDIS dematerialized (may have just been RealPlayer artifacts)?



If I'm not mistaken, McGann's tardis dematerlization had that vapor effect, too. Look at the last scene of the McGann movie where he leaves at the end. Although that's probably just the uber geek in me noticing crap like that.

I read where Eccleston's tardis prop was based on the original specs for the Hartnell Tardis prop. It does look "wider" at the top than the prop did on the classic series did when it ended. What's also surprising to me is that on the filming for the Eccleston series, they're constructiing the Tardis prop whenever they need it for location filming, and then taking it apart. That seems odd to me, wouldn't it be cheaper to just lug the prop around as is instead of taking the time to put it together and take it apart again?

As for the teaser itself, it certainly defines the concept of "teaser trailer". I watch it and go "AW DAMMIT! I WANT MORE THAN THAT YOU BASTARDS!" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I had read somewhere that they plan on using the original theme song that ran for quite awhile through Troughton's era, too.

[Mountain Man]

Well, it's been near 10 years since I've seen the McGann movie so I really don't remember. At any rate the addition of vapor effects isn't surprising. I guess a cross-dissolve just isn't as exciting as it used to be!

[Joel]

I watch it and go "AW DAMMIT! I WANT MORE THAN THAT YOU BASTARDS!" - Joe3DR



*cough cough- DNF* Welcome to our world http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[QuiGonJ]

Amen to that Joel! What the hell is happening on that DNF game anyway? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I liked the trailer fine. Eccleston has a strong voice, and I do hope they use the original theme music. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[IgWannA]

only the real player version? pah! someone hook me up with a proper video...

[Mountain Man]

QuiGonJ said:
Eccleston has a strong voice...


Yeah, I liked the little bit I heard. It really did sound like the Doctor.

[StarBegotten]

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Well I am glad they kept the music close (if not exact?) to the original, lets hope the rest of the production is of a similar quality. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Joe Siegler]

The rumour was that they were going to use the Hartnell/Troughton theme song in the new series.

[StarBegotten]

Do my eyes decieve me? A remake that actually shows some respect to the original work? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Wonders never cease...

:: crosses fingers ::

[Mountain Man]

As long as it's more faithful than the Fox tele-movie I'll be happy. The Fox movie wasn't bad in its own way, but it sure did a number on the Doctor Who canon (the Doctor is half human? WTF?!).

[StarBegotten]

I hear that Christopher Eccelstons Doctor will NOT regenerate from the Paul McGann doctor, am I right?

Does this mean a cameo from Sylvester McCoy? Or will they miss out the regeneration scene all together?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Joe Siegler]

Well I am glad they kept the music close (if not exact?) to the original,



From what I read the theme they're planning on using in the new series is the one that was used during "Troughton's era" - which I thought was exactly the same as Hartnell's, but I'm not 100% sure about that issue.


StarBegotten said:
I hear that Christopher Eccelstons Doctor will NOT regenerate from the Paul McGann doctor, am I right?

Does this mean a cameo from Sylvester McCoy? Or will they miss out the regeneration scene all together?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



They're skipping the regeneration altogether. The new producer is wanting to pay attention to the old show's continuity, but he's also insistant that the show be accessible to new viewers. He said in an interview somewhere that he felt that starting the show with a regeneration scene would be confusing to new viewers. As much of a hardcore as I am about the show, I have to agree with that. If the show is going to survive past this initial season and not be a "Who hardcore fan oneoff" (like the McGann movie is), it's GOT to appeal to a wide audience. I accept that, as I want my show back - I was watching when it was still being made back in 1989, and I've waited since for new stuff, so I realize it's not going to be exactly as I remember it from back then, and I'm OK with that.

If I were a new fan of Doctor Who and didn't know the past and whatnot, it would likely confuse the crap out of me. Speculation is that we'll see a regeneration scene in a flashback at some point in the future (although not likely this season).

One thing I'm still not sold on for the new series is the attempt to make it totally contemporary, I mean this picture (http://www.gallifreyone.net/newstvphotopic.php?id=eccandid2&retpage=candids) is the Doctor and his companion - IN COSTUME! I really would have prefered some sort of costume that was in keeping with the Doctors in the past. However, I won't totally shit on it until I see it in action.

I do feel shortchanged by not getting to see more of McGann - I thought he was a wonderful choice to play the Doctor, and I really didn't have a major problem at all with the TV movie. The fact that they bothered to bring McCoy back and properly regenerate him (one of the better regeneration sequences, actually) made the show great in my eyes. The bike chase wasn't a problem for me, because Pertwee's doctor did stuff like that. The Half human thing was the one thing that kind of irritated me. I also wasn't fond of the actor as the Master, but I could overlook that. And the Doctor kissing his companion wasn't a problem for me ether, as it was in context (Wow, I'm excited - I remember who I am!).

To me the one scene where McGann nailed the Doctor perfectly was the one where they had just gotten to Grace's house, and she was listening to his heartbeats, while he was babbling on about things he had done in the past, and interjecting enough comments to still let on that he was listening to her. That was perfect.

I also have the teaser in a video format other than Real Streaming if you want it - send me an email to dopefish@gmail.com, and I'll send it to you.

Are you guys paying attention to this site? If not, you HAVE TO BE. It is by far and away the best Doctor Who site on the net (plus it's run by an old friend of mine).

Main site: http://www.outpostgallifrey.net
Shortcut to news page: http://www.doctorwhonews.com

[StarBegotten]

Joe3DR said:

From what I read the theme they're planning on using in the new series is the one that was used during "Troughton's era" - which I thought was exactly the same as Hartnell's, but I'm not 100% sure about that issue.



Ermm, excuse me being dense, but whats the difference between them?



They're skipping the regeneration altogether. The new producer is wanting to pay attention to the old show's continuity, but he's also insistant that the show be accessible to new viewers.


Yeah thats fair enough, its no biggy as far as I am concerned .



One thing I'm still not sold on for the new series is the attempt to make it totally contemporary


It did bother me a bit as well at first, I remember seeing the shots of the "costume" and thinking.."Uh, oh. What direction are they going in?"

I imagine Eccelstons Who will all be in the performance. I dont know how familiar you are with his work, but he is a very good actor and I have no doubt about his ability to pull the role off with style.

Also, knowing the other work that Davies has done, I am fairly confident that it will be a well thought out production. He seems to be able to put across serious and difficult subjects in a way that people find accessible and entertainting.



I do feel shortchanged by not getting to see more of McGann - I thought he was a wonderful choice to play the Doctor, and I really didn't have a major problem at all with the TV movie.


Its not a popular opinion it seems amoung Who fans, but I agree with you there. I loved McGann, he had just the right bearing and presence to play the Doctor.



I also have the teaser in a video format other than Real Streaming if you want it - send me an email to dopefish@gmail.com, and I'll send it to you.



Oh cool, I will. Thanks very much! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Are you guys paying attention to this site? If not, you HAVE TO BE. It is by far and away the best Doctor Who site on the net (plus it's run by an old friend of mine).

Main site: http://www.outpostgallifrey.net




I am ashamed to say that before your mentioning this site on the forums that I had never heard of it! Now I pretty much read it every day. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Cheers!

[Joe Siegler]

Ermm, excuse me being dense, but whats the difference between them?



I wondered that myself, I was just repeating what I heard.


I imagine Eccelstons Who will all be in the performance. I dont know how familiar you are with his work, but he is a very good actor and I have no doubt about his ability to pull the role off with style.



No, I don't know his work much, I just saw a few minutes of him in some PBS movie I saw over the last few months, and I had heard he was in the Nicolas Cage version of Gone in 60 seconds, but he was a minor part in that. I don't doubt it will be performance based, it is the BBC after all. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Also, knowing the other work that Davies has done, I am fairly confident that it will be a well thought out production. He seems to be able to put across serious and difficult subjects in a way that people find accessible and entertainting.



I don't know Davies at all, the ONLY thing I knew of him was that he did a series called "Queer as Folk", but that's all. So he's a complete unknown to me. But then again, I didn't know a single name of a Doctor Who producer before I had heard of 'em in Doctor Who, either.


Its not a popular opinion it seems amoung Who fans, but I agree with you there. I loved McGann, he had just the right bearing and presence to play the Doctor.



I still think that scene I talked about when Grace was examining his hearts in her house was where he nailed it totally.


I am ashamed to say that before your mentioning this site on the forums that I had never heard of it! Now I pretty much read it every day.



It's pretty damn awesome, and is THE place to be for Doctor Who news, there's no doubt of that.

[Chimera]

suprised? not really. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4326005.stm)

[Tedski]

Oops! It's actually available in two seperate formats from what I can see, an SVCD version and an avi (divx?) version, and very easy to get hold of if you have any clue at all about usenet. Whether or not the SVCD that has appeared is just a reencode of the avi (which appeared first apparently) is difficult to tell, although the relative file sizes I'm seeing would imply that it isn't.

[supermeerkat]

It seems several people over at aintitcoolnews.com don't think much of the leaked episode. (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=19567)

At first it alarmed me, but now I come to think about it, AICN is largely a gathering place for whining bastards and obssesive fanboys who give normal sci-fi fans a bad name. That lot aren't happy with anything.....

[Mountain Man]

Why are the first people to see something always the most critical?

Reminds me of a joke from MAD Magazine. It said something like, "A fanatic will camp out for weeks outside of a theater to catch a glimpse of his favorite rock star just so he can tell his friends that it was 'No big deal.'"

There's also accusations that AICN's "Herc" is anti-Doctor Who and deliberately ignored several positive reviews that were submitted.

[Tedski]

Personally, I think they miss the point anyway. Dr. Who has never been about brilliant special effects, they've always been hit or miss tbh, which was always part of the charm. It quite simply will never have the sorts of budgets Babylon 5, or any of the last few Star Trek series have had. IMHO, by and large, so long as whoever plays The Doctor actually is believeable, the rest pretty much falls into place. I will confess to having seen the 'first' episode that is now doing the rounds, and am quietly hopeful for the rest. I didn't think it was brilliant, but I did think it covered most of the bases it needed to - it was after all having to introduce both a new doctor and a new assistant. This it does fairly well I feel. 'Hopeful is probably the wrong word - optimistic is more like it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[StarBegotten]

I suppose it had it happen (the leak that is) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I cant say I am suprised at the supposed low key nature of the first episode, these are always just about introducing a new audience to all the basic elements of the show.

I am happy to wait three weeks to see it, christ I've waited this long!

But at least the whole PR shebang seems to be gearing up now (about time), what with the relaunch of both Outpost Gallifrey and the "Official" Doctor Who webite.

Strangely I've yet to catch one of the trailers for it on the BBC though.....typical. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Joe Siegler]

I've watched the new episode several times. There's much to like and there's much to not like.

As a fan of the old series for a long time, I'll have a harder time with it, because it's geared towards a new audience - one that didn't know the original.

I don't expect they'll shit all over continuity, but I suspect it won't be a slave to it, either.

[Nacho]

With these remakes I've learned to keep my mind open.

[Joe Siegler]

Nacho said:
With these remakes I've learned to keep my mind open.



This doesn't really count as a remake. It's more a revival.

[QuiGonJ]

I'm kinda surprised at you Joe.... watching the unfinished version is like playing a leaked Alpha of DNF (not that there is a leaked Alpha, but if you want to send me... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ) Uh, anyway, I fear I will probably have the same mixed feelings when I see it too.

[Chimera]

Looks like they found the guy responsible (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4378881.stm).

Also saw this (http://diamondgeezer.blogspot.com/) today - check out March 23rd and 24th, Who fans might find it interesting. Diamond Geezer is a good read anyway http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Mountain Man]

QuiGonJ said:
I'm kinda surprised at you Joe.... watching the unfinished version...


Is it the unfinished version? I've downloaded it but I haven't had time to watch it (just bits and pieces and I liked what I saw). If it's unfinished then I'll just wait for torrents of the broadcast episode.

[QuiGonJ]

I've read the incidental music was temp tracks and the effect weren't all there.

[Tedski]

QuiGonJ said:
I've read the incidental music was temp tracks and the effect weren't all there.



Well, I'll soon be able to tell, as it starts here in the UK on Saturday.
/me slaps himself to remember to set the recorder