Anyone here like Avenged Sevenfold?

[Bonny5278]

I think Avenged Sevenfold is a great band. Anyone here like them?

[Deth]

I kind of like them, but i have not listened to them much.

[John]

They are god. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Bonny5278]

I haven't gotten their new CD City of Evil yet, but I hear it's pretty good. I've downloaded a couple songs from the website.

[IgWannA]

waking the fallen is a pretty cool album, especially chapter four, eternal rest and i won't see you tonight part 1. only heard one song off their new album, M.I.A, but it's a beezer - almost 9 minutes long and full of lovely solos. they're playing here sometime in the next few months so i'm gonna go to it.

[Bonny5278]

I'm going to Warped Tour in August to seem them and a lot of other bands.

[John]

I have City of Evil.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif It is godly. Betrayed, Bat Country, Seize the Day, MIA, etc. are all great songs.

Sidewinder is my favorite followed by Bat Country.



Goto www.avengedsevenfold.com/cityofevil (http://www.avengedsevenfold.com/cityofevil)

[GodBlitZor]

Havent listened yet. but I have a friend who said I should listen. He also recommended Die Trying, Coheed and Cambria, The Used and some other bands

[John]

The Used and Coheed and Cambria suck. Alot.

[GodBlitZor]

Not really.

[Imfamous]

John said:
The Used and Coheed and Cambria suck. Alot.

[GodBlitZor]

Nope.

[John]

Avenged Sevenfold are like 60 times as talented as both bands combined. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

One of the guitarists went to a technical musicians college for his guitar and piano, but both guitarist switch off on playing solos and rhthym. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[GodBlitZor]

ehr... wtf does skill have to do with quality. Some people have real good "talent" MC Hammer, but he still sucks ass.

[John]

GodBlitZor said:
ehr... wtf does skill have to do with quality. Some people have real good "talent" MC Hammer, but he still sucks ass.



MC Hammer = Talent?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[GodBlitZor]

He sounds good and stuff. But he is lame.

[IgWannA]

John said:
Coheed and Cambria suck. Alot.



heh, not at all. sorry, but musically the band is very talented and the melodies are really awesome. unfortunately their second album didn't live up to the first. i guess you either love them or hate them. a lot of people can't get over the guy's voice, which IMO is pretty lame. just because he doesn't sound mainstream doesn't make him a bad singer.

[GodBlitZor]

I think the voice adds a point of slight originality and sounds cooler and stuff

(the voice is similar to Rush's)

[John]

I dunno, I guess high pitched voices layed over hard music makes me twitch with agony. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Bonny5278]

I can't wait to see Avenged Sevenfold at Warped Tour. City of Evil is a great album. The thing I like about it is the songs are now much longer, which is something I was kind of expecting when they released Waking the Fallen.

[Vasyl]

Garbage.

[Opus131]

John said:
One of the guitarists went to a technical musicians college for his guitar and piano



Hooo, then he MUST be good... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[GodBlitZor]

^Thats what I was thinking.

[biXen]

Reading your (Opus131's) opinions about music where you set yourself 100 meters above everyone else is painful. Please just jump already.

[IgWannA]

got their new album, i'm liking it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif beast and the harlot, burn it down and bat country are just awesome, but the rest is really good too.

[John]

IgWannA said:
got their new album, i'm liking it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif beast and the harlot, burn it down and bat country are just awesome, but the rest is really good too.



Badass music isnt it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Theres about 3 solos in every song, its crazy.

Oh, and Opus; seeing as how you can't possibly like any music other than classical, i was referring to Zacky Vengances (the guitarists) educational training as a technical musican in regards to the skill it takes to play the stuff he does.

And yes, it DOES mean he is good. How the hell do you expect somebody to pass a TECHNICAL musicans college? That means examining and learning each note, learning the body of the guitar, taking it apart, remebbering each fret and string, and practicing scales 24/7. It's tough shit. But he is also a pianist and hes damn good.

[Opus131]

John said:
Oh, and Opus; seeing as how you can't possibly like any music other than classical, i was referring to Zacky Vengances (the guitarists) educational training as a technical musican in regards to the skill it takes to play the stuff he does.



Not at all, you were trying to use his educational background to forward his musical proficiency. I believe one musical ability should speak for itself, regardless of how prestigious your former schooling is...


John said:
And yes, it DOES mean he is good. How the hell do you expect somebody to pass a TECHNICAL musicans college?



What the hell is a 'technical' musician college ?


John said:
That means examining and learning each note, learning the body of the guitar, taking it apart, remembering each fret and string, and practicing scales 24/7. It's tough shit.



No it isn't. Developing a personal voice and a rich musical identity it's what's hard, learning to play an instrument it's something that should be given for granted, not lauded as if it was something special in itself.


John said:
But he is also a pianist and hes damn good.



1) Who cares if he can play the piano ? It's of no relevance on his guitar playing and it's yet another cheap attempt to impress us with a prestigious pedigree whereas the only thing that should matter is the music itself.

2) How do you know that he's 'damn good' as a pianist ?

[John]

Pffft, being able to sing in different notes and harmonize with others is a talent indeed but it can come quite easier http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Also, the fact that so much "popular" music is hated now adays is usually because the stuff is so damn simple and non-creative. Skill and talent, imho, has a big deal to do with making amazing music.

And yes, perfecting the art of music through an instrument is talent. Not everybody has rhthym and not everybody has the ability to look at a guitar and see notes, different chords, etc.


And the piano comment was an example of the different music they produce. They are originally a screamo punk metal band but they have evolved into a power metal ballad. Quite afew influences of Pantera, Guns N Roses, Metallica, etc. grace the album http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

(Oh, and I know he is a damn good pianist from the song "Warmness On The Soul"; and afew other slow songs A7X has done.)

[GodBlitZor]

Wow, Linkin Park has some kick ass talent, everyone puts them down. Good job. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[John]

Linkin Park's bandmates have talent (although not that much), but the two guys who sing and rap are just pop stars. Any pop star is liable for a put down.

[GodBlitZor]

Hahah People think they are just overnight produced crap, but they have been around buddy.

They were around before you.

[John]

What i'm saying is that if Linkin Park would just stay a band instead of having the two guys in the videos while the rest just kinda blend in with the background, then I would call them a band.

Until then, right now they are a rap/techno/pop group.

[GodBlitZor]

Your saying you dont like them because of music videos?

Stop watching MTV, and if you havent noticed. EVERY band member is in the videos except Kyur 4 Th Ich and Frgt/10 which doesnt have any of them (Kyur 4 Th Ich has pictures of Mr Hahn, but its his "song" and video).

[John]

Actually I don't watch MTV, and I don't have a problem with Linkin Park besides their music (:p). I wasn't the one to compare them to Avenged Sevenfold.

Just listen to the new CD; you'll like it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Opus131]

John said:
Also, the fact that so much "popular" music is hated now adays is usually because the stuff is so damn simple and non-creative. Skill and talent, imho, has a big deal to do with making amazing music.




Popular music is hated because it overshadows everything else.

I don't mind people liking simple, shallow, tuneful fluff, i don't expect everybody to know the first thing about music, but it irks me just how hard it has become to make good music this days.

In Beethoven's days things weren't all that different. The 'popular' music of the time were folk songs, dances, marches, italian opera, you name it. Music such as that of Beethoven was appreciated by a selected few, and while he was recognized as the greatest composer of his time most people considered his music too difficult, both by the audience as well as the musicians themselves.

Still, great music was made, because a selected number of people supported it.

Today there is no such support. Good artists are left on their own means trying to hack it in a commercially dominated 'business' that doesn't want them.

At the bottom of all this we find classical music, where new composers struggle to have their music performed let alone recorded and where even the leading orchestras are constantly on the verge of a crisis. A true underdog that is somehow still considered an elite. And all the while the mass market is dominated by trash like Boccelli or Bond.


John said:
And yes, perfecting the art of music through an instrument is talent. Not everybody has rhthym and not everybody has the ability to look at a guitar and see notes, different chords, etc.




I'm sorry, but that's called being a musician. If you can't do any of that you shouldn't be bothering with music in the first place. It's so sad the state of popular music is so low those qualities are considered 'virtues' rather then a requirement. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


John said:
(Oh, and I know he is a damn good pianist from the song "Warmness On The Soul"; and afew other slow songs A7X has done.)



He can 'play' the piano, doesn't mean he's any good at it. Have him play something like Rachmaninoff for a while then we'll talk....

[Imfamous]

GodBlitZor said:
Wow, Linkin Park has some kick ass talent, everyone puts them down. Good job. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



They have no talent, at all. Being able to play 4 power chords in slow succession does not equal talent. Singing in a complaining manor using cliche diction as though it's supposed to have some deep meaning doesn't equal talent either. Don't worry GBZ; I used to like LP too. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[Opus131]

Dear god what's with all the screaming ?

[Higher Game]

Screaming is just the way no talent "vocalists" (they don't even call themselves singers anymore) get a crowd to jump up and mosh. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

<goes off on a rant>

Before people knock death metal grunting, there IS a proper technique to it, and it doesn't damage the vocal cords if it's done properly. It's very unorthodox, but I still think it should be considered singing. Hell, death metal is some of the most underrated music made today, and I don't mean the Gothenburg craze, either. Likewise, Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth are not genuine black metal.

Death metal and black metal are much like classical because they do require talent, songwriting, and musical ability. They're also very unpopular. Sadly, I don't know if they will be remembered in 200 years. Beethoven and the others were damn lucky. They weren't recognized at the time, but they at least get credit now! Extreme metal bands probably will never get it.

<end rant>

Classical is the best music ever made, but there's some great contemporary music being made now that's ignored.

[Higher Game]

By the way, everyone here criticizing Opus for having STANDARDS needs to grow up. You all make Duke Nukem look classy. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[GodBlitZor]

Imfamous said:

GodBlitZor said:
Wow, Linkin Park has some kick ass talent, everyone puts them down. Good job. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



They have no talent, at all. Being able to play 4 power chords in slow succession does not equal talent. Singing in a complaining manor using cliche diction as though it's supposed to have some deep meaning doesn't equal talent either. Don't worry GBZ; I used to like LP too. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



Yeah sure. Tell yourself they have no talent. Why dont you try to out scratch Mr Hahn, or Freestyle with Mike, or how about going at it with Phoenix? But according to you guys its not singing if you dont have talent. Boo hoo, go cry in a corner. You guys are just mad because they decided to do something pretty new. You didnt wanna hear a mix of heavy metal rap and electronica all in one. Linkin Park has more skill and talent then you ever will.




Screaming is just the way no talent "vocalists" (they don't even call themselves singers anymore) get a crowd to jump up and mosh.

<goes off on a rant>

Before people knock death metal grunting, there IS a proper technique to it, and it doesn't damage the vocal cords if it's done properly. It's very unorthodox, but I still think it should be considered singing. Hell, death metal is some of the most underrated music made today, and I don't mean the Gothenburg craze, either. Likewise, Dimmu Borgir and Cradle of Filth are not genuine black metal.

Death metal and black metal are much like classical because they do require talent, songwriting, and musical ability. They're also very unpopular. Sadly, I don't know if they will be remembered in 200 years. Beethoven and the others were damn lucky. They weren't recognized at the time, but they at least get credit now! Extreme metal bands probably will never get it.

<end rant>

Classical is the best music ever made, but there's some great contemporary music being made now that's ignored.



Screaming (in LP) is there for emotion, Chester Bennington is a beautiful singer, just listen to some Grey Daze or the Handsome Boy Modelling School - Rock N Roll (Could Never Hip Hop Like This) bit with Chester. The guy is really good. I really dont understand why people dont like LP, for once there is a pretty popular band that has been around, writes for the fans, knows how to do what they do, theyre nice, and not made in a factory. Mike and Chester work on the lyrics really hard, for example, Points of Authority has 2 or 3 different demos, 3 Demos for A Place For My Head, 3 demos for Forgotten. If you listen to some of Mikes old raps they are insane, hes one of the best rappers Ive ever heard, and Fort Minor is just gonna be awesome. They are hard at work on their next album which is supposed to be even more different then anything now. I propose you guys listen to the "Secret Tracks" like the Hybrid Theory EP or the LP Underground's. If any one wants to maybe change their opinion on them, PM me.

[IgWannA]

Opus131 said:
I don't mind people liking simple, shallow, tuneful fluff, i don't expect everybody to know the first thing about music, but it irks me just how hard it has become to make good music this days.



heh, you aren't saying A7X are simple and shallow are you? because if you are then anything you have to say about any music is moot. oh, and there's piano parts in their new album, not exactly rachmaninoff but it's better than a fair few musicians can do. besides, they're simply stunning guitarists so it doesn't matter how good they are at piano since it's not their instrument of choice.

[John]

GodBlitZor said:


Yeah sure. Tell yourself they have no talent. Why dont you try to out scratch Mr Hahn, or Freestyle with Mike, or how about going at it with Phoenix? But according to you guys its not singing if you dont have talent. Boo hoo, go cry in a corner. You guys are just mad because they decided to do something pretty new. You didnt wanna hear a mix of heavy metal rap and electronica all in one. Linkin Park has more skill and talent then you ever will.





I've been listening to a mixture of heavy metal and rap for the past 10 years, but by a band with real talent and vocals. It's a little band called Chronic Future and they've been around far longer than all of that Linkin Park, Limp bizkit crap. Oh, and Mike Busse, the vocalist for Chronic Future, would shred the rapper from linkin park. He's been doing this since he was 10 years old and they have been a band just as long; so they know what they are doing.

Oh, and I'd gladly have a guitar-off with LP's guitarist http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Imfamous]

John said:


Oh, and I'd gladly have a guitar-off with LP's guitarist http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



lol I could play every song on that album with my eyes closed a month after I got the CD. Beat that, Anti-MS! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[John]

Imfamous said:

John said:


Oh, and I'd gladly have a guitar-off with LP's guitarist http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



lol I could play every song on that album with my eyes closed a month after I got the CD. Beat that, Anti-MS! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Ok. I don't even HAVE the cd and I can play every song on it. Beat that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Imfamous]

John said:

Imfamous said:

John said:


Oh, and I'd gladly have a guitar-off with LP's guitarist http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



lol I could play every song on that album with my eyes closed a month after I got the CD. Beat that, Anti-MS! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Ok. I don't even HAVE the cd and I can play every song on it. Beat that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



But can you do it with your eyes closed? How about with one finger? Eh? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[GodBlitZor]

Imfamous said:

John said:

Imfamous said:

John said:


Oh, and I'd gladly have a guitar-off with LP's guitarist http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



lol I could play every song on that album with my eyes closed a month after I got the CD. Beat that, Anti-MS! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Ok. I don't even HAVE the cd and I can play every song on it. Beat that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



But can you do it with your eyes closed? How about with one finger? Eh? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif



You guys are full of shit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Linkin Park could kick chronic futures, or whatever they are, ass. According to Yahoo and MTV they debuted in 1996, LP has been around since 1990 and debuted in about 1993.

[John]

If I tuned my guitar to Drop D i could probably play every song on the album with my eyes closed and with one finger.




Eb|-----------------------------------------------|
Bb|-----------------------------------------------|
Gb|-------------------------7-7-77-7-7-5-5-55-5---|
Db|-2-22-2-2-2/5-5-55-5-5-0-7-7-77-7-7-5-5-55-5-0-|
Ab|-2-22-2-2-2/5-5-55-5-5-0-5-5-55-5-5-3-3-33-3-0-|
Db|-2-22-2-2-2/5-5-55-5-5-0-0-------------------0-|

The chorus for "In The End"

Chorus:
eb|-------------------------------------|
Bb|-------------------------------------|
Gb|-------------------------------------|
Db|-7~--3-xx-x-0-xx-x-7~--3-xx-x-0-xx-x-| x2
Ab|-7~--3-xx-x-0-xx-x-7~--3-xx-x-0-xx-x-|
Db|-7~--3-xx-x-0-xx-x-7~--3-xx-x-0-xx-x-|

Chorus for "By Myself"


Jeez GodBlitZor, I dunno if I can play these.



Now, this is the chorus for the A7X song "Second Heartbeat"; it is played with two guitars.

>>chorus 1<<

guitar 1
e ---------------------------------------------------------------------
b ---------------------------------------------------------------------
g -5--7--8--13-------8--10-12--15-----17--15--12--12/13---8--10-12--15-
d -x--x--x---x-------x--x---x---x------x---x---x---x--x---x--x---x---x-
a -3--5--6--11-------6--8--10--13-----15--13--10--10/11---6--8--10--13-
d ---------------------------------------------------------------------

guitar 2
e ---------------------------------------------------------------------
b ---------------------------------------------------------------------
g -5--7--8--13-------8--10-12--15-----5--7--8--13---------8--10-12--15-
d -x--x--x---x-------x--x---x---x-----x--x--x---x---------x--x---x---x-
a -3--5--6--11-------6--8--10--13-----3--5--6--11---------6--8--10--13-

And this is the solo

guitar 1
e --------------------10-------------------------------------------------------------
b -/13-------------------11----------------16-18-18b(20)r-16--13-13h15-13-11~~13-----
g -----12~~~~---------------10~~~~~-----15---------------------------------------12~~
d -----------13p12h13--------------//15----------------------------------------------
a -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
d -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

e ----------------------------------
b --13------------------------------
g ----12-------10-------------------
d ------13-12~~--12p10--------------
a --------------------13~~~13-14-15-
d ----------------------------------

e ----------------------------10------------------------15----------//18-16-15--------
b -/13---------------------------11-------------15-16-18---18-16---------------16-----
g -----12~--------------------------10~~~--15-17-----------------17---------------17~~
d ---------13-12~~13p12h13h15------------15-------------------------------------------
a ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
d ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[John]

GodBlitZor said:

Imfamous said:

John said:

Imfamous said:

John said:


Oh, and I'd gladly have a guitar-off with LP's guitarist http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



lol I could play every song on that album with my eyes closed a month after I got the CD. Beat that, Anti-MS! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Ok. I don't even HAVE the cd and I can play every song on it. Beat that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



But can you do it with your eyes closed? How about with one finger? Eh? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif



You guys are full of shit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif




I am very serious about my guitar http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[GodBlitZor]

Duhr, dont double post.
Im not gonna waste my time with you. Youre stupid, just because its simple. Oh im gonna cry now!! It is teh simple Blitz!11 Yuo no its bad becauz that!

[John]

GodBlitZor said:
Youre stupid, just because its simple.



You go and keep telling yourself that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[GodBlitZor]

Yup, simple doesnt mean anything. and btw, LP has 2 guitarist. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[John]

But they both play the same simple power chords. When was the last time they even attempted a real solo?

The reason for LP to have two guitarists is simple; if one messes up the other can drown it out because they are both playing the same thing.

It's not like one is playing the rhthym riff and the other is playing solos and leads in the background. Thats what their DJ is for.

[Imfamous]

GodBlitZor said:
Youre stupid, just because its simple.



The problem is that simple is teh sux. It's ridiculous how absolute garbage like LP, Evawhatever, The Used, and other shit like that get popular, yet real bands with kickass unique sound like The Mars Volta are hardly recognized.

[GodBlitZor]

LP is unique. No one has ever went as far as LP with this genre. And the guitar thing is wrong. They play different things, Brad plays electric, Phoenix is a bassist. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Learn teh factz!

[Bud Bundy]

USBDave said:
I think Avenged Sevenfold is a great band. Anyone here like them?


what kind of music do they play?
dont know them

[GodBlitZor]

Its like Punk Music

[Bud Bundy]

GodBlitZor said:
Its like Punk Music


punk like Bad Religion?

so always the same rhythm like: bang singing bang pause singing bang pause singing...

or like ska - punk rock: bang badabumm bang baddadamm singing crying/singing :guitarbreaking: hustling badabum bang singing
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[GodBlitZor]

I dont know personally.

[John]

GodBlitZor said:
Brad plays electric, Phoenix is a bassist. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Learn teh factz!



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif You are an idiot. You said that they have two guitarists, not the normal bassist and guitarist.


And Avenged Sevenfold is a power metal band.

So its like

metal riff/screamed verse/melody chorus/solo/riff/solo/bridge/solo/riff

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif But this is how their old stuff used to be. Their new stuff is abit cleaner and not as "screamo"

[Opus131]

What's with all this Linkin Park shit ?

Get off my trolling ground, i was here first...

[Opus131]

Higher Game said:
Death metal and black metal are much like classical because they do require talent, songwriting, and musical ability. They're also very unpopular. Sadly, I don't know if they will be remembered in 200 years.



I'd have to hear it before making judgement, so i won't say anything http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Higher Game said:
Beethoven and the others were damn lucky. They weren't recognized at the time, but they at least get credit now! Extreme metal bands probably will never get it.




For that matter, Beethoven gets a little 'too' much credit nowadays.

If you think black metal is unpopular, try modern classical music.

One thing to keep in mind however is that history is written by people of a certain cultural heritage.

In 200 years, people will remember only those events deemed important by historians, and i doubt Breatny Spears will be counted among them.

Perhaps one day people will recognize Black Metal along the lines of great art, if the music is as good as you imply it is http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Higher Game said:
Classical is the best music ever made




It's also the least followed musical genre out there.

I've been listening to classical for 5 years and i have yet to meet anybody even remotely interested at the genre...


Higher Game said:
but there's some great contemporary music being made now that's ignored.



All contemporary classical music is ignored...

[Opus131]

Bud Bundy said:

GodBlitZor said:
Its like Punk Music


punk like Bad Religion?

so always the same rhythm like: bang singing bang pause singing bang pause singing...

or like ska - punk rock: bang badabumm bang baddadamm singing crying/singing :guitarbreaking: hustling badabum bang singing
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If you follow the link posted early in this thread they have MP3s of their song up for download...

[Higher Game]

GodBlitZor said:
LP is unique. No one has ever went as far as LP with this genre. And the guitar thing is wrong. They play different things, Brad plays electric, Phoenix is a bassist. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Learn teh factz!



I'm not crazy about technical talent. I like Jag Panzer and Symphony X more than Dream Theater or Kayo Dot. I don't care much (most of the time) for stupidly complex or weird songs. However, LP is stupidly simple, kind of like early Beatles music. It's boring. Unlike many progressive bands, they are boring AND they have no talent. 0/2=worthless band.

To be more fair, I'll just say they're an average rock band (which doesn't mean much these days), but there are hundreds of better bands and music that are worth listening to. Musically, check out Napalm Death if you love aggressive, screaming, political music. Grindcore just might be your genre.

[John]

And they are not punk. I would have called them a really talented punk band when I first heard their album in 2001, but their new stuff isn't punk.

Hey opus, have you heard some of their stuff?


Higher Game said:
However, LP is stupidly simple, kind of like early Beatles music.



Hey now. That was in the early 60s and they didn't have much to work on (from that timepoint).


http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I still like early Beatles more. And the later years kicked all kinds of ass.

[Opus131]

IgWannA said:
heh, you aren't saying A7X are simple and shallow are you?



I was referring to 'popular' music but now that i think about it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


IgWannA said:
oh, and there's piano parts in their new album, not exactly rachmaninoff but it's better than a fair few musicians can do.




There's a piano teacher down the street who played Scriabin on his last town recital.

I'd say most pianists on the planet are better then this guy...


IgWannA said:
besides, they're simply stunning guitarists so it doesn't matter how good they are at piano since it's not their instrument of choice.



Then why mention he's a 'damn' good pianist in the first place ?

[John]

Because in metal the piano isn't exactly the most popular instrument to learn. These guys were 19 when their first CD came out (and when Warmness on the Soul was recorded) and I just happen to think hes a damn good pianist for a metal guitarist.

[GodBlitZor]

I dont see why LP is "simple" makes no sense to me. And btw, Mike Shinoda is a kick ass pianist himself.

[Opus131]

GodBlitZor said:
Mike Shinoda is a kick ass pianist himself.



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[Higher Game]

Opus131 said:

I'd have to hear it before making judgement, so i won't say anything http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Well then, I'll have to recommend some bands to you, then! Start with Bathory, preferably the Hammerheart album. Definitely read the lyrics too. It's not the really evil sounding black metal with terrible production, so it's good for easing people into the genre and getting them used to the worldview of black metal. Bathory's frontman died recently, so I've been listening to it more than usual lately.

Darkthrone, Burzum, Immortal, Emperor, and Mayhem are some other great bands to check out after Bathory. Remember, it only sounds like noise at first. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

www.metal-archives.com (http://www.metal-archives.com) is where to go to look for new bands.


Opus131 said:
For that matter, Beethoven gets a little 'too' much credit nowadays.

If you think black metal is unpopular, try modern classical music.

One thing to keep in mind however is that history is written by people of a certain cultural heritage.

In 200 years, people will remember only those events deemed important by historians, and i doubt Breatny Spears will be counted among them.

Perhaps one day people will recognize Black Metal along the lines of great art, if the music is as good as you imply it is http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



I've always like Vivaldi, Mozart, and Wagner more than Beethoven, but I'm not a HUGE fan of classical like I am with heavy metal. I'm annoyed by the really quiet instruments in Beethoven followed by really LOUD ones, kind of like how modern bands have the quiet-loud-quiet style of songwriting.

Maybe I just bought a poorly recorded CD. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif


Opus131 said:
It's also the least followed musical genre out there.

I've been listening to classical for 5 years and i have yet to meet anybody even remotely interested at the genre...



I only know heavy metal fans from the web. And 90%+ of black metal fans are racist national socialists, thanks to Burzum's church burning and Nazi ideals. The community isn't a very pleasant one.

Classical at least has the assurance that it will live on.


Opus131 said:
All contemporary classical music is ignored...



It's probably because many people think it's impossible to top the efforts of the old masters. I doubt if we'll ever see another band like Judas Priest, for example, even though there are plenty of empty imitators.

[Imfamous]

John said:
Because in metal the piano isn't exactly the most popular instrument to learn. These guys were 19 when their first CD came out (and when Warmness on the Soul was recorded) and I just happen to think hes a damn good pianist for a metal guitarist.



Mozart wrote his first symphony before he hit puberty. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Opus131]

Imfamous said:
I've always like Vivaldi, Mozart, and Wagner more than Beethoven, but I'm not a HUGE fan of classical like I am with heavy metal. I'm annoyed by the really quiet instruments in Beethoven followed by really LOUD ones, kind of like how modern bands have the quiet-loud-quiet style of songwriting.

Maybe I just bought a poorly recorded CD.




Well, never minding the fact putting Vivaldi in the same sentence as Mozart, Wagner and Beethoven it's like comparing Linkin Park to Avenged Sevenfold http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif, i've discovered a long time ago you just cannot listen to Beethoven using headphones. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I think the problem lies in the way music is recorded which tends to acerbate his style. I've seen live performances and there was no problem there.

Yes, bad recordings can also cause problems by making his quiter moments intelligible, lure you in raising the volume then simply blast your ears away when the music gets louder.

He was the first composer to focus on emotion above all else and his style revolved around cell based development sections of a theme where the music gets passed around, transformed and mandered with until he hits you on the head with a surprising climax.

Among all composers he's the one who can make my spine shake the most, but his music can be a little taxing after extended listening.

Some people go as far as blaming his deafness for the deafening nature of his music http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Later in his life he developed a more reflexive, spiritual and highly complex style which a lot of people point to as the beginning of avant-garde music.

BTW, next time you want to buy recordings you better talk to me first... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[GodBlitZor]

Yeah I agree about the comparing thing.

[John]

You were the one to mention Linkin Park in this thread.

[GodBlitZor]

Your point?

[Higher Game]

Opus131 said:
Well, never minding the fact putting Vivaldi in the same sentence as Mozart, Wagner and Beethoven it's like comparing Linkin Park to Avenged Sevenfold http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif, i've discovered a long time ago you just cannot listen to Beethoven using headphones. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I think the problem lies in the way music is recorded which tends to acerbate his style. I've seen live performances and there was no problem there.

Yes, bad recordings can also cause problems by making his quiter moments intelligible, lure you in raising the volume then simply blast your ears away when the music gets louder.



Both Linkin Park and Avenged Sevenfold are garbage compared to Atheist and Death. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I have heard buying those DVD-Audio 24 bit albums is an improvement, but that would involve spending hundreds of dollars on an "audiophile" system. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif I just love music, but I love my money too!

And of course nothing beats live music. I love many live albums from bands more than studio albums. Made in Japan by Deep Purple and Unleashed in the East by Judas Priest come to mind. They sound better live than in the studio.

[Opus131]

Higher Game said:
I have heard buying those DVD-Audio 24 bit albums is an improvement, but that would involve spending hundreds of dollars on an "audiophile" system. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif I just love music, but I love my money too!




Naaa, even assuming you would want to waist money on DvD-Audio and such i'm generally more concerned about the quality of the performance and chances are my favored Cds haven't found their way in those new formats yet (if ever, some of them are out of print).

What i'm saying is that if you ever want to buy a classical Cd you might want to get the right compositions (a grand majority of the stuff Mozart wrote for instance isn't that great and you don't want to be waisting time with sub-par music by picking a random CD http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif ), and the right performance.

Alternatively, i can send you some MP3s, though i have no idea how to send large files so that might be a problem.

BTW, if you are serious about learning how to listen to classical you might want to drive to your nearest Barn's and Nobles and buy this little handbook (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0451528670/qid=1119487644/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/103-5745641-5002205?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

It's a collection of essays Copland made during several seminaries he did back in the 50s.

It's very direct, to the point and doesn't require any technical knowledge for the most part.


Higher Game said:
And of course nothing beats live music. I love many live albums from bands more than studio albums. Made in Japan by Deep Purple and Unleashed in the East by Judas Priest come to mind. They sound better live than in the studio.



All classical music is live music. It's also acoustic music, something a lot of people tend to ignore http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

BTW a rock band that's absolutely amazing live it's King Crimson.

I don't like prog-rock in general (it's better then most rock out there but not quite to where they should or could be), but i've never grown tired of this band.

This book (http://www.progressiveears.com/frippbook/index.asp?bhcp=1) could actually be a rather good read because it was written by a classically trained critic. You can tell it's a juvenile and unprofessional work but what the hell, it can be helpful to understand a few differences between classical and rock and there's a few interesting facts about the band itself http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[IgWannA]

Opus131 said:

IgWannA said:
besides, they're simply stunning guitarists so it doesn't matter how good they are at piano since it's not their instrument of choice.



Then why mention he's a 'damn' good pianist in the first place ?



i think you'll find you misquoted me. i didn't say he was "damn" good at all.

[Higher Game]

Opus131 said:
All classical music is live music. It's also acoustic music, something a lot of people tend to ignore http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

BTW a rock band that's absolutely amazing live it's King Crimson.

I don't like prog-rock in general (it's better then most rock out there but not quite to where they should or could be), but i've never grown tired of this band.




I've heard good things about Hawkwind, and everyone has heard of Rush. All music is recorded live, but seeing it live is the real difference. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I only have King Crimson's albums Red and In The Court Of The Crimson King, but they're good.