3dmark05??

[Airtraffic]

Anyone try this? i just built a new gaming rig and wanted to check how it scores but theres a part in 3dmark that shows between 2-3 fps (WTF?..that can't be normal) and i never saw any better then 51-52 fps!

I forget my online acct. so i can't compare scores but i got 5920 marks...is that low for a high end rig?

[DudeMiester]

No that's quite good. The 2-3fps part is the CPU test, the difference with it is that all vertex processing occurs on the CPU rather then the video card. Gives you an indication of how much more powerful your GPU is then your CPU, lol. If you make a new account, or do the forgot my account thingy, then you can look up the WRs for your card and see how you really compare.

Personally I get something like 5000, but I'm seriously CPU and RAM limited here. Can't remember exactly, I've misplaced my record list.

[Airtraffic]

Thx DM,it kind of freaked me out seeing a slide show with a X800 platinum. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[DudeMiester]

lol yeah, actually you can disable those test, most people do anyways.

[IHerman]

3DMark used to be fun. I gave great visuals and you could actually enjoy watching it.

Now you need a high-end rig and it still will run like crap. It's no fun anymore to see your PC suffer at the ridiculous crap they try to make it render. And most of the time it doesn't even look that good.

[DudeMiester]

2005 is smooth and silk on my computer, and yes it does look amazing, although I admit it could be better.

[NutWrench]

I bet it really slowed down during the CPU test. I was getting about 5 frames per second during the Trolls Lair scene.

(During the CPU test, 3DMark is not using any of the features on your graphics card. Everything is being run through the DirectX hardware emulation layer).

[DudeMiester]

^^That's 2003, not 2005. Anyways, 2005 only does vertex processing on the CPU, like I already mentioned.

Just saying 3dmark doesn't tell anyone much, considering there's 3DMark01, 3DMark03, 3DMark05, and even a few older ones.

[Odin]

Nevermind.

[Asmodeusz]

5900 is real good.

I got 5600 3DMarks
Here are my specs:

Pentium 4; 3.0 GHz
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB

I was surprised by the 2-3 FPS too, until I found on the Future Mark site, that it's a normal thing - as DM said CPU test.

Btw. The dragon creature over that flying boat is amazing!

[Piano Man]

Asmodeusz said:
5900 is real good.

I got 5600 3DMarks
Here are my specs:

Pentium 4; 3.0 GHz
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB

I was surprised by the 2-3 FPS too, until I found on the Future Mark site, that it's a normal thing - as DM said CPU test.

Btw. The dragon creature over that flying boat is amazing!



Damn - you Imagine if you had an X800 Pro in there Baby.... Just shows that it is RAM that makes all the difference. I got 4500 Marks with 2005, with my 2.6Ghtz, 512MB Ram and X800. I respect you.

[Drazula]

I don't trust Futuremark anymore. I use Aquamark.

[dark_angel]

Drazula said:
I don't trust Futuremark anymore. I use Aquamark.



I don't trust Aquamark anymore. I use Drazulamark http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[DudeMiester]

You could always use RealStorm (real time raytracing) or ShaderX (OpenGL) if you want be alternative.

[Joonas]

DudeMiester said:
real time raytracing




*geek orgasm*

[Decker]

DudeMiester said:
...or ShaderX (OpenGL) if you want be alternative.



Link, please. Googling around, I only came up with a shader programming guide of some sort.

[QuiGonJ]

No matter what I do, including a 10% CPU overclock, I can't seem to get more than about 2430 on 3D Mark 2003. And this is on an Athlon 64 3400+ with 1GB PC3200 and an FX 5700. What else needs upgrading?

[dark_angel]

^^^
get a real Graphics card http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[DudeMiester]

Your video card is far more important then your CPU in 03. Overclock that first. Same deal with 05.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

DudeMiester said:
Your video card is far more important then your CPU in 03. Overclock that first. Same deal with 05.



He has good hardware with the exception of the video card. It sucks, if you want more performance get a decent card.

[QuiGonJ]

I just upgraded to that from a ti4200 about 3 months ago... heh. I'll wait a little longer and wait for some prices to go down, even hope for a free card from nVidia at E3 in about two months. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[DudeMiester]

QuiGonJ said:
I just upgraded to that from a ti4200 about 3 months ago... heh. I'll wait a little longer and wait for some prices to go down, even hope for a free card from nVidia at E3 in about two months. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Hah, I need to go to some of those conventions and get some free hardware!

[Joonas]

Drazula said:
I don't trust Futuremark anymore. I use Aquamark.



Damn you Finland-hater! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[QuiGonJ]

Hey DudeMeister, while I'm thinking of it, what card brands and types do you recommend in the sub $200 AGP range?

[DudeMiester]

heh, I don't pay much attention to that sector.

/stares at $670CDN 6800GT behmoth http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Anyways, BFG is a good brand what with their lifetime gaurntee (which I have very much voided, lol) and their excellent customer support. They also factory overclock their cards. So I'd go with somthing from them probably a 6600, and if you can get a good price the GT. Although for the most part with video cards any respectible brand (MSI, ASUS, Gainward, eVGA, etc...) will do. Unless of course you plan to overclock, in which case you want only the ASUS PCIe 6800 Ultra, and it doesn't have sub-zero problems, but that's kindof out of your price range, lol.

[Airtraffic]

LOL,heres a beauty for ya!

The motherboard on my new PC crapped out and they didn't have a replacement for the socket 775 in AGP.bummer huh? not really,they had to give me a PCI Express X850 and ddr2 ram so i could rebuild my PC around my processer http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

BTW my marks jumped to 6654 for free http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Jeff]

QuiGonJ said:
and an FX 5700. What else needs upgrading?



My brother has the same card. I'm going to recommend to him a BFG 6800 Ultra AGP when the prices drop.

[DudeMiester]

Just so you know, DDR2 is a downgrade that costs more. It's got such high latancy, that the slightly higher clockspeed can't compensate at all. Unless you get the most expensive DDR2 and then overclock it as well. Personally, I'm not buying in until I see DDR750 3-2-2-x or DDR800 3-3-3-x as the norm, and AMD releases a DDR2 compatible CPU. Although, I do hope they skip DDR2 altogether and go straight to DDR3.

[Phait]

Just tried 3D Mark 05, here's my results:

3D Mark: 250
CPU: 1570

Specs:

- Intel Celeron 2.0 Ghz (100 Mhz bus apparently, 128kb L2 cache)
- Direct X 9.0C
- 512 MB DDR-SDRAM (133 Mhz, 166 max)
- NVIDIA GeForce FX 5600XT 256 MB AGP (2.0 shader, 400 Mhz mem. clock, core clock is 230)
- MSI MS-6580 (Intel 845PE chipset) mobo

I did some comparisons, I guess my scores aren't too good. I don't care, it's not really MY computer (built it for dad) but I game on it.

It runs Half-Life 2 (demo) quite well, Riddick poorly, Doom 3 demo playable but just OK, Max Payne 2 quite well, Far Cry (demo) quite well...

I'm interested in trying this on my friends upcoming system, he's building an Athlon XP. We tried 3D Mark 2001 SE on his 800 Mhz Athlon, 392 (or so) MB RAM, 256 MB GeForce 5500 FX system and it did only 1 demo, then it got to a black screen with just a white cursor, we waited, waited... tried CTRL ALT DEL, nothing.

Another thing: I have a feeling the "Overclocked" of BFG cards is marketing hype. Would love to be proved wrong though. My friend just bought a 256 BFG OC GeForce.

[DudeMiester]

It's not marketing hype at all. I own a BFG Geforce 6800GT, and it does come factory overclocked 370Mhz core instead of 350Mhz core. The RAM is only 1Ghz though. If it was just marketing hype then you could do a class action lawsuit for false advertising, a very very stupid thing for BFG to do.

As for the video card your friend bought, that name you gave is wrong. That's not what it's called, I don't know what he actually bought though, because you gave the wrong name. There is no videocard with that name.

[Phait]

Nah, I just got lazzy with the name.

It's a BFG GeForce 5500 FX Overclocked, as best as I can recall. About $123 at Best Buy.

Curiously, for the overclocking... is a 30 MHz difference enough to matter?

[Phait]

I just bumped my cards clock freq. up about 30 MHz and noticed an improvement in Doom 3 & CoR demos. It wasn't a huge difference, but it was noticeable. Still some stuttering during action though.

[Airtraffic]

DudeMiester said:
Just so you know, DDR2 is a downgrade that costs more. It's got such high latancy, that the slightly higher clockspeed can't compensate at all. Unless you get the most expensive DDR2 and then overclock it as well. Personally, I'm not buying in until I see DDR750 3-2-2-x or DDR800 3-3-3-x as the norm, and AMD releases a DDR2 compatible CPU. Although, I do hope they skip DDR2 altogether and go straight to DDR3.


I don't keep up on such things but: what do you think contributes to the 600 more 3D marks then?
The CPU didn't change,the amount of ram didn't change so we got:

Out: Gigabyte (forget the model) Duel memory motherboard
Out: X800 PE (agp)
Out: 2 gigs pc3200 ram

In: Asus P5AD2-E premium (intel 925xe chipset)
In: X850 PE (pci express)
In: 2 gigs DDR-2 ram (not even sure the clock speed)


I can't imagine theres a huge difference between an X800 and a X850,so if the ram sucks so much (as you say it does) why the much better performance?

PCI-Express?

[DudeMiester]

It's the video card, and yes there is a difference, otherwise they wouldn't bother selling the higher end version lol.

X800XT (500/1000)
X850XTPE (540/1180)

That's enough to account for the difference.

Anyways, when you consider that it's easy to get DDR at 600Mhz these days, if you know what to buy, you have to question the validity of DDR2. Furthermore OCZ VX at 520Mhz 2-2-2-x is still faster then both, thanks to it's low timings. The fact is, the timings make more of a difference to speed then bandwidth because the more latancy the longer the CPU sits there doing nothing. With CPU being so powerful, this means a LOT of lost processing power.

[Airtraffic]

DudeMiester said:
It's the video card, and yes there is a difference, otherwise they wouldn't bother selling the higher end version lol.

X800XT (500/1000)
X850XTPE (540/1180)

That's enough to account for the difference.

Anyways, when you consider that it's easy to get DDR at 600Mhz these days, if you know what to buy, you have to question the validity of DDR2. Furthermore OCZ VX at 520Mhz 2-2-2-x is still faster then both, thanks to it's low timings. The fact is, the timings make more of a difference to speed then bandwidth because the more latancy the longer the CPU sits there doing nothing. With CPU being so powerful, this means a LOT of lost processing power.



Well, the dimms i got are Corsair DDR2 with rated speeds of 538mhz(can be overclocked to 850 or so),my old ram was 400mhz so i think thats the big difference because looking at the benchmarks between the X800 and X850 there isn't a huge difference.

One thing i have noticed is how stable,quiet and cool it runs (probably the motherboard more than anything) but my old board use to scream at me after an hour of gaming.
And for sh!ts and giggles i ran 3Dmark in the background while playing HL2dm...tell you the truth i forgot it was even running. And i lost a whooping 74 points!

[DudeMiester]

Well remember your old ram was probably not very good anyways. I'm talking about the best DDR vs the best DDR2. Although I must admit they are almost breaking even, but when you factor in that DDR2 costs so much more, it's just crazy!

[Airtraffic]

DudeMiester said:
Well remember your old ram was probably not very good anyways. I'm talking about the best DDR vs the best DDR2. Although I must admit they are almost breaking even, but when you factor in that DDR2 costs so much more, it's just crazy!


I think you should check out the recent prices,i saw an ad today for 1gig Kingston ddr2 4200 sticks for $159.00

Their coming down in price fast as more motherboards are being made for it.

My old ram was decent. micron ddr 3200 with 2 lat.

Anyway,i got mine for the original price i paid for the Microns anyway http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[DudeMiester]

Well until AMD starts making DDR2 CPUs it really doesn't matter to me personally. Still I maintain that your performance increase was 90% the videocard 9% the chipset and perhaps 1% your RAM.

[Airtraffic]

DudeMiester said:
Well until AMD starts making DDR2 CPUs it really doesn't matter to me personally. Still I maintain that your performance increase was 90% the videocard 9% the chipset and perhaps 1% your RAM.


LOL,i should have known your an AMD man http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/smirk.gif

[Drazula]

Joonas said:

Drazula said:
I don't trust Futuremark anymore. I use Aquamark.



Damn you Finland-hater! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif


I didn't know they were located in Finland. EVEN MORE REASON NOT TO USE IT!!!
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Airtraffic said:
In: Asus P5AD2-E premium (intel 925xe chipset)
In: X850 PE (pci express)
In: 2 gigs DDR-2 ram (not even sure the clock speed)



I guess you won't need to be in my DNF/Video card giveaway! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[Dash 9]

I got 5600 3DMarks
Here are my specs:

Pentium 4; 3.0 GHz
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB



There's something wrong with my rig, I have a P4 3.0 GHz with 1 GB of DDR Dual Channel memory. I changed my good old 9700 Pro for an X800 XL and my result is 4950.

* scratches head *

[NutWrench]

Dash 9 said:

I got 5600 3DMarks
Here are my specs:

Pentium 4; 3.0 GHz
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB



There's something wrong with my rig, I have a P4 3.0 GHz with 1 GB of DDR Dual Channel memory. I changed my good old 9700 Pro for an X800 XL and my result is 4950.

* scratches head *




That sounds right to me. I have a P4 3.0 Ghz and a 9800 Pro and I only get around 2600 in 3D Mark 05.

Your scores go up dramatically of you use earlier versions of 3D Mark. The older the test you run, the more likely your card supports the feature in hardware. (I get around 6000 in 3DMark03 and 17,000 in 3DMark01) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[dark_angel]

Dash 9 said:

I got 5600 3DMarks
Here are my specs:

Pentium 4; 3.0 GHz
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB



There's something wrong with my rig, I have a P4 3.0 GHz with 1 GB of DDR Dual Channel memory. I changed my good old 9700 Pro for an X800 XL and my result is 4950.

* scratches head *



He got 5600 using 3DMARK2003!

A 4950 score in 3DMARK2005 on a X800 XL card is just more than good! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[dark_angel]

Piano Man said:

Asmodeusz said:
5900 is real good.

I got 5600 3DMarks
Here are my specs:

Pentium 4; 3.0 GHz
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB

I was surprised by the 2-3 FPS too, until I found on the Future Mark site, that it's a normal thing - as DM said CPU test.

Btw. The dragon creature over that flying boat is amazing!



Damn - you Imagine if you had an X800 Pro in there Baby.... Just shows that it is RAM that makes all the difference. I got 4500 Marks with 2005, with my 2.6Ghtz, 512MB Ram and X800. I respect you.



There is no way he can get 5600 in 3DMARK05 using a 9800 Pro card!

[scorpian007]

Specs:

CPU: AMD XP 2400+@3000+ (2.0GHz@2.18GHz)
Bus: 290MHz (145Mhz x 2)
RAM: 1Gb Dual Channel DDR400 PC3200
Video: 256Mb Leadtek GeForce 6800GT overclocked to Ultra speeds.

3d Mark 2001: ~15,800
3d Mark 2003: ~11,600
3d Mark 2005: ~5,200

I'm pretty happy with that considering my CPU is a bit outdated http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Just got the video card yesterday, it's run everything I've thrown at it so far http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Decker]

dark_angel said:

Piano Man said:

Asmodeusz said:
5900 is real good.

I got 5600 3DMarks
Here are my specs:

Pentium 4; 3.0 GHz
2 GB RAM
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128 MB

I was surprised by the 2-3 FPS too, until I found on the Future Mark site, that it's a normal thing - as DM said CPU test.

Btw. The dragon creature over that flying boat is amazing!



Damn - you Imagine if you had an X800 Pro in there Baby.... Just shows that it is RAM that makes all the difference. I got 4500 Marks with 2005, with my 2.6Ghtz, 512MB Ram and X800. I respect you.



There is no way he can get 5600 in 3DMARK05 using a 9800 Pro card!



I was about to say. Once again someone has confused 3dMark2K3 with 2K5.