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Twin

03-25-2005, 02:57 AM

Spyd said:
I'm not, because:

-I'm not in school, I'm working.
-I'm in Spain, and I don't want to travel 5000Km to get my PSP
-In Europe the PSP launch has been pushed to about september (there's not a definitive date)

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

i didn't know it would be THAT long before we saw the psp http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

either way, i don't want one.....YET! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif there hasn't been anything on there that'd made me be like 'DAMN! i wanna play that game' but i guess the only games that'll make me say that is either a new sonic game or something like wario ware http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Geir

03-25-2005, 06:53 AM

WAY too expensive right now. even if I bought it, I wouldn't be skipping school now (it's good friday today).

Ivan

03-25-2005, 07:05 AM

They look really good but I won't buy one:

1)Too expensive
2)Not really my type of thing

Phayzon

03-25-2005, 08:39 AM

Im not cuz:

1)I just got a DS...
2)It looks like sh*t
3)I cant wait for it to bomb http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kev_Boy

03-25-2005, 01:22 PM

The one disappointing thing about the PSP is that it does nothing especially different, it just integrates different things in one device.

I don't think the Nintendo DS looks that good either though, in particular the size of those screens, but atleast they tried something different!

DudeMiester

03-25-2005, 04:04 PM

imho the DS looks like crap. Like some cheap plastic toy. On the other hand the PSP has at least some sense of style, even if to some it's not ideal. As for it not innovating, perhaps that true, but I'm primarily waiting for something that puts together the features of the countless handheld devices out there, and the PSP does a decent job of that. imho, the PSP will sell like hotcakes, while the DS will only be bought by grandmothers and a treat to their 5 year old grandson.

Sephiroth

03-25-2005, 04:19 PM

I got my PSP at luanch day, and so far i am veryhappy with it, it's well worth the cost, btw anywher here have a wireless accessport? I want to play people over the internet.

LeadBullet

03-25-2005, 05:45 PM

What are the graphics like on those things? Is it like PS1 quality?

-edit

I found some screens, I guess its about like Playstation 1, only with pixel blending on the textures and a little better polycount.

Phayzon

03-25-2005, 07:26 PM

DS has around N64 quality, but better. *Mario does NOT have a square head anymore http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif *

Sephiroth

03-25-2005, 08:27 PM

Some games on the PSP have PS2 graphics the PSP is 33mhz faster then the PS2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
core clock on the psp is 333mhz ps2's is only 300mhz

8IronBob

03-25-2005, 09:50 PM

Well, it's for sure that if I were to get a PSP, the best I'd do with it, is probably have a couple of games for it, and then I would basically turn it into a Portable Media Center (sort of using the PSP like a Creative Zen or a Samsung PMC), sync some TV shows, MP3s, and JPEGs into it, and make use of it for that as well. Right now, tho, I'm happy with the Dell Axim X30, it seems to do well with a 1 GB SD Card and having to use this as my portable internet and media device. The 333 MHz processor on the PSP sounds good, but the Dell Axim that I have has an Intel XScale 624 MHz, which is almost double that speed. Not sure what processor the PSP uses, but I've been good with AMD and Intel with my desktops, now with portable form of processors (outside of laptops, which those most are based on desktop processor, except for Celeron-M, or Pentium-M standards since those are figured differently, speeds in comparison), that deserves more research... However, Pocket PCs vs. PSP vs. DS vs. the Portable Media Centers, well, we'll have to see what wins out here.

Water12356

03-25-2005, 11:35 PM

Im gona wait till PS3. I dont see the need to buy this.

maximan

03-25-2005, 11:49 PM

Too expensive, and I don't want to pay $250 to pay my PS1 games on the road. Too many rehashes. I want a DS, but currently am bankrupt...we'll see....

8IronBob

03-26-2005, 09:34 AM

Naw, PSP's not worth it, I gave it a second thought. My Dell Axim would be by far better. Nothing beats a Pocket PC. Besides games and media, the PSP won't let you get onto the Internet like the Pocket PC can, nor will it have a true operating system, like Windows Mobile 2003, or that Intel-powered processor like my XScale 624 MHz. As stated in my last post, if I was only going to buy two games or so, and then just use the PSP for a Media Center, it wouldn't be too much worth the while.

Sephiroth

03-26-2005, 09:37 AM

maximan said:
Too expensive, and I don't want to pay $250 to pay my PS1 games on the road. Too many rehashes. I want a DS, but currently am bankrupt...we'll see....

You can't play PSOne games on the PSP, PSP uses UDM's not cds. the disk is smaller then a mini disk, but has 1.8G of stroage data. (for you's that think this is small, there is also an experimental option that sony plans to make avible threw a frimware update that will allow you to play games via memory stick, 2gb memory sticks... when the psp is cracked I can imagine there will be ALOT emulators for it.. I am hoping a NES and SNES Emu will come out for it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

And the barttay times listed on sites are rubbish.. I played Twisted Metal: head onmy psp for 5 hrs and my battarys were still at 65% of its capacity...and sony plans on releasing another battarys the current battary is only a 5v 1800 mAh cell, if you put a 2500 mAh cell in there it would last almost 30% longer

8IronBob, the psp has the ablity to go online, sony has not release the broswer for yet, but has plans to... it's in testing
and the 333 mHz clock speed of its cpu may seem low but that 128bit deitcated risc CPU with will kill most machine today in raw cpu power, as for the psp it has 5 cpu/gpu cores.

maximan

03-26-2005, 12:39 PM

Sephiroth said:

maximan said:
Too expensive, and I don't want to pay $250 to pay my PS1 games on the road. Too many rehashes. I want a DS, but currently am bankrupt...we'll see....

You can't play PSOne games on the PSP, PSP uses UDM's not cds. the disk is smaller then a mini disk, but has 1.8G of stroage data.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif
I was referring to all t he PS1/PS2 rehashes that are filling up the PSP library

Mountain Man

03-26-2005, 01:31 PM

The PSP is a sexy piece of hardware, no doubt about it, but I still prefer Nintendo.

Phayzon

03-26-2005, 07:54 PM

Already said this, but i have more to add now:

Not buying cuz:
1)Just got DS
2)Just got Laptop
3)I use my dad's Axim X30 alot (624mhz, 3 1gb sd's)
4)I dont like PS1/2
5)Im not gonna like PS3
6)I prefer Nintendo
7)The PSP looks ugly
8)After buying Laptop and DS, im broke.

8IronBob

03-26-2005, 08:23 PM

Phayzon said:
Already said this, but i have more to add now:

Not buying cuz:
1)Just got DS
2)Just got Laptop
3)I use my dad's Axim X30 alot (624mhz, 3 1gb sd's)
4)I dont like PS1/2
5)Im not gonna like PS3
6)I prefer Nintendo
7)The PSP looks ugly
8)After buying Laptop and DS, im broke.

Likin' that Dell Axim X30, huh? I believe that makes a great Media Center Pocket PC if you use it to sync your MP3s, WMVs, JPEGs, and such. Not too sure how well the PSP can handle as a portable media center. I was just at a forum from the company's website where I bought my media center suite from, and there were people that were talking about taking their TV show recordings and placing them on the PSP. Well, needless to say, that is a tougher process than that of a Pocket PC to sync media like that into a PSP, plus who knows how well TV Shows'll play on one of those? The Creative Zen 20 GB Portable Media Center would be better off than the PSP at doing digital media outside of games and a few light MP3s. How much storage can the PSP hold as far as MP3s or TV Show recordings, etc?

KaiserSoze

03-26-2005, 10:11 PM

i just ebayed my ds and 4 games and took that money and bought a psp on ebay.

can't wait for it. still a bit too expensive though.

Enragiated

03-27-2005, 01:03 AM

No waaay, not touching it, its worth more than my life at the moment. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

shiranui

03-27-2005, 05:17 AM

Been out here for months, and I haven't fell the urge to even look at it, let alone buy it.

Murphysk8

03-27-2005, 06:01 AM

Mountain Man said:
The PSP is a sexy piece of hardware, no doubt about it, but I still prefer Nintendo.

Yeah, i figured the DS would have more games by now though. I've had my PSP 3 days and I already own more games for it than my (and my brother's) DS. Plus, I've never had as much fun with a handheld before. I'm surprised Sony managed to make a handheld so capable of great graphics and still have it compact.

Anyway, I like my DS and my PSP, but it's like the PS2 and the GC... PS2/PSP = Tons to choose from, and even more on the way. DS/GC = Developers don't seem to take them seriously (The must-owns are usually first-party or from Capcom). If Nintendo can convince developers to make games for the DS/GC, then I'll look into getting them, but as of right now, Mario 64 is the only good DS game I own. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Phayzon

03-27-2005, 08:26 AM

I only got MP Hunters Demo (it came w/ DS) and Mario 64, and im lookin to get Wario Ware Touched. What are you talkin about? Gamecube has TONS of games!

ADM

03-27-2005, 01:18 PM

ADoomedMarine said:
They do look good and I would import them but I'd rather save the money and get a PS3 when it comes out.

I know I said that, but damn the PSP has me hooked.. sexy stuff http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I'm going to import it right this moment... hopefully I get it this week.

I'm getting Lumines and Wipeout.

maximan

03-27-2005, 06:24 PM

Phayzon said:
I only got MP Hunters Demo (it came w/ DS) and Mario 64, and im lookin to get Wario Ware Touched. What are you talkin about? Gamecube has TONS of games!

I played warioware touched...buy it. Believe me. It is the most fun handheld game I have ever played.

Nessus

03-27-2005, 09:08 PM

Can you watch movies on it? I've seen a hundred commercials for it but all they do is sell the sizzle, I dont really know anything about it.

Ivan

03-27-2005, 09:09 PM

Yea,h movies and music are included I think.

ADM

03-28-2005, 12:25 AM

Ivan said:
Yea,h movies and music are included I think.

The actual movies and music arn't included.. although I think the first million units will come with Spiderman 2 (or was it 1) on UMD format.

The PSP plays .mp4's and .mp3's and theres this cool program called PSP Video 9 (http://www.pspvideo9.com/) that converts any movie you have into the proper format for PSP.

ADM

03-28-2005, 12:26 AM

I went a little crazy when ordering http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

http://www.leafyisle.net/dump/psp.png

heh but I needed it all anyway.

thefly

03-28-2005, 12:26 AM

I'll wait to steal either a DS or PSP.

"Hey look over there a drive by wet t-shirt contest let me hold your PSP while you look.....*yoink*"

KaiserSoze

03-28-2005, 12:28 AM

the "value pack" comes with the spider-man 2 umd movie.

it also comes with a game/music/video umd demo disc.

ADM

03-28-2005, 01:16 AM

Sweet http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Twin

03-28-2005, 03:22 AM

8IronBob said:
Well, it's for sure that if I were to get a PSP, the best I'd do with it, is probably have a couple of games for it, and then I would basically turn it into a Portable Media Center (sort of using the PSP like a Creative Zen or a Samsung PMC), sync some TV shows, MP3s, and JPEGs into it, and make use of it for that as well. Right now, tho, I'm happy with the Dell Axim X30, it seems to do well with a 1 GB SD Card and having to use this as my portable internet and media device. The 333 MHz processor on the PSP sounds good, but the Dell Axim that I have has an Intel XScale 624 MHz, which is almost double that speed. Not sure what processor the PSP uses, but I've been good with AMD and Intel with my desktops, now with portable form of processors (outside of laptops, which those most are based on desktop processor, except for Celeron-M, or Pentium-M standards since those are figured differently, speeds in comparison), that deserves more research... However, Pocket PCs vs. PSP vs. DS vs. the Portable Media Centers, well, we'll have to see what wins out here.

what? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Mountain Man

03-28-2005, 07:30 AM

Murphysk8 said:
If Nintendo can convince developers to make games for the DS/GC, then I'll look into getting them, but as of right now, Mario 64 is the only good DS game I own. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Word is Nintendo is aware they rushed the DS to market ahead of the games, but the big surprise is how well it has been selling. Even Nintendo is surprised at the level of success it has reached in such a short period of time with few native titles on the shelf. I'm sure the Game Boy Advanced compatability has helped things quite a bit.

That said, there are some terrific DS games slated for 2005. Old school titles like Mario Kart are sure to be hot sellers, but there are also some innovative games like Nintendogs on the roster.

Boo Boo Juice

03-28-2005, 12:39 PM

I picked up a PSP at launch and got Untold Legends with it. This weekend I picked up Rdige Racer and Lumines. Next week I will either get Mercury or Darkstalkers.

DudeMiester

03-28-2005, 01:14 PM

First of all, the PSP's processor is totally different then the XScale. If you try to compare them by clockspeed, it only serves to show how little you know about computers. Second, the PSP is WAY WAY more powerful then that pitiful Axiom of yours. I'd like to see that thing push 1 million polys per second, of course the PSP can do even more then that, but I know your Axiom could never get to even 1 million. Pitiful in terms of graphics, and computational power. Then again the Axiom was never designed for graphics or gaming, so it isn't a fair comparison really. You don't need the power of a PSP for watching a video or creating a calender.

Second, you can use wireless internet on the PSP. Many games have multiplayer components, and parts that go online to download extra stuff. Furthermore, the PSP can be made to work as a general browser to, with some trickery. It's totally functional, even java works, however in this system there is no cursor, so you navigate links with the arrow keys.
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21503

Also, Tivo on PSP:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21510
E-books on PSP:
http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=21511
Even mangas on PSP:
http://psp.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3139112

Phayzon

03-28-2005, 01:19 PM

1)What the hell is an Axiom?
2)Its Axim...
3)My Uncle's X50 could push 1mil poly's/sec...

DudeMiester

03-28-2005, 01:25 PM

Can you validate that? Benchmarks? Specs? What graphics processor does it use? Either way it doesn't matter, considering the PSP has 5 processors, and a max of 33 million polys per second. There's no way in hell an Axim can match that.
http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2003Jul/gee20030731021096.htm

Phayzon

03-28-2005, 02:34 PM

You mean to tell me that a $100 thing like that will have better graphics etc than a $425 PocketPC? Uhu, sure. But note that that article was made in 2003, leaving plenty of room for a downgrade.

Sephiroth

03-28-2005, 02:47 PM

Actully those are it's specs only now the PSP has 32mb ram instead of 8. and the psp is 200+ bucks.

and yes.. unles that pcket pc can do better then the PS2 in terms of graphics the PSP will kick its ass.

Price is not everything, nVidia cards are cheaper then ATI's and nVidia in OGL mode walks all over ATI.. so whats your point? the cost means nothing.. its what the hardware can do.

Phayzon

03-28-2005, 04:23 PM

I know for a fact that PSP dont have PS2 graphics.

Sephiroth

03-28-2005, 05:08 PM

Phayzon said:
I know for a fact that PSP dont have PS2 graphics.

Actully they are capible of such.. the PSP is FASTER then a PS2, since they both use the same CPU's/GPU system PSP is capible of producing PS2 graphics.

A person from sony said on irc that PSP hardware is almost identical to PS2's same regesters!

so your knowing for a fact is not a fact at all... don't compare todays PS2's games with PSP.. compare the first titles relaesed for PS2 to PSP.. the graphics are same.. when devs learn how to use the PSP better you will see PS2 and PSP are the same.

PS2 runs at 300 MHz while the PSP runs at 333 MHz.. since all hardware is the same.. you tell me how your fact is a fact at all?

IwantMORE

03-28-2005, 05:13 PM

Well I would guess the screen resolution is smaller than a tv so easier to do similar stuff to the ps2 but the overall hadware is probably a fraction less powerfull.

But with the advancement in mobile tech between the ps2 launch and the psp I could belive it is as powerfull...

Sephiroth

03-28-2005, 05:26 PM

Yea .. but you have to remmeber the TV "fixes" some graphics... place PS2 on an LCD where it has no scanlines to save its ass, PS2=PSP the fonts and all are all pixelated to the max, you thought the PS2 had no anialising when it was on a TV? LOL try looking at one on an LCD.

Murphysk8

03-28-2005, 05:36 PM

I have Tony Hawk Underground 2 for the PSP, and it's graphics are equal to the PS2 version, although a few texturex are blurry in the new levels, but it can stream the full soundtrack from the PS2 version, and still look damn good. Also, Ridge Racer and Wipeout have amazing graphics.

The main thing that I like about the PSP games I own though, is that they feel like full games, with more than just a few features. I prefer games with more than just 1 mode ( like having Story/Career, Arcade, Free-play, ect; modes.) The only thing I play on my DS, is Super Mario's mini-games. (which is why I'll get Wario Ware)., and that's because they have replay value. When I'm done with story mode on THUG 2, I've still got singleplayer freeskate and classic modes (a second story mode modeled after... the classic THPS games), and then there's online multiplayer = freeskate, horse, tag, capture the flag, ect; Not to mention the create a skater/graphic/trick features. And being able to download your face for Create-A-Skater like in the PS2 version, is cool too.

So, not only is the gameplay on par with the console version, it has as many features, MORE levels, MORE characters, and graphics so close to the console versions that only someone looking for the differences.would see them.

That's just one of the games... so when the DS gives me a game like that, I'll get it. But, in my oppinon, the DS is more of a gimmick at the moment. The games released so far seem to scream, "Look what I can do!", "watch me touch this!!" Sure, that worked for the first few days, but now... It's pretty dull.

Oh well, maybe Nintendo will blow me away with their 1st-party games (they usually do). http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

8IronBob

03-28-2005, 06:03 PM

Phayzon said:
1)What the hell is an Axiom?
2)Its Axim...
3)My Uncle's X50 could push 1mil poly's/sec...

Well, I chose the Axim X30 on top of that iPAQ that HP had for the same price tag. Whether the Samsung processor that HP uses was better than the Intel XScale, then I have yet to see that. Samsung has a 300 MHz processor that HP uses, and Dell always seems to use Intel more than anyone else in all their PCs. However, a Samsung 300 MHz vs. an Intel 624 MHz, that's a little something. I knew about the X50 series of Axims, but I was actually looking for a portable Pocket PC solution that wouldn't break the bank (makes me wish I'd get a low-end laptop instead, but what can you do?)

Phayzon

03-28-2005, 07:39 PM

Sephiroth said:

Phayzon said:
I know for a fact that PSP dont have PS2 graphics.

Actully they are capible of such.. the PSP is FASTER then a PS2, since they both use the same CPU's/GPU system PSP is capible of producing PS2 graphics.

A person from sony said on irc that PSP hardware is almost identical to PS2's same regesters!

so your knowing for a fact is not a fact at all... don't compare todays PS2's games with PSP.. compare the first titles relaesed for PS2 to PSP.. the graphics are same.. when devs learn how to use the PSP better you will see PS2 and PSP are the same.

PS2 runs at 300 MHz while the PSP runs at 333 MHz.. since all hardware is the same.. you tell me how your fact is a fact at all?

So... your telling me that my friends dad you works for sony is a liar>?

Sephiroth

03-28-2005, 08:18 PM

No.. I did not say that... I said PSP has PS2 graphics and I am right because the only difference is that PS2 can do 66 million polys a sec where the PSP can do 33 which the ONLY differnce so the psp verson of the game you play will have almost have the frame rate... the graphics can be the same but the frame right is lower... but you also have to take into account that the screen size is MUCH smaller so you wont need 66 million to do the same things

Things like viewing distance dont effect the psp because the screen is too small for any dev to actully use a large viewing distance.. thus you dont need as many polys, you would understand it if you actuly wrote a 3D applocation that uses the max and min viewing distances... if you make a game that you can see the entire outdoor map from one side of the map then it will go slow unless you have the power to do that... but if you tell it to only render that you can actully see and not everything at the same time then you dont need as much hardware.

DudeMiester

03-29-2005, 02:11 AM

PS2 games require 60fps afaik, so with half the polys per second but at 30fps, the PSP can push the same detail per frame. Of course, this is all theoretical, and I wouldn't doubt that the PSP is slightly worse quality then the PS2, but only just. Either way, it kicks any Axims ass, no matter how you look at it. You can port all the programs Axim has to the PSP if you wanted to. Actually you know the higher cost of the Axim is probably mostly the extra cost of a touch-senstive LCD. I can't imagine the internal components are much more expensive, unless Intel's money-gouging has something to say with it.