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supermeerkat
11-10-2005, 04:22 PM
Mountain Man said:
Earthshock is one of my favorites. Matthew Waterhouse's obvious apprehension about the keyboard prop about to explode is a classic moment, too. The poor guy just couldn't act.



It just occurs to me that, if the Doctor could "turn back death" (as mentioned in the Paul McGann TV movie), that must have meant he didn't like Adric much http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Dave-ros
11-10-2005, 05:20 PM
Who did like Adric? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

I just noticed, the new Cyberman has "teardrop" grooves coming from his eyes, like the ones seen in "The Wheel in Space", "The Invasion" and "Revenge of the Cybermen". Now in those cases the notches were cut so the actors could see "below" themselves (e.g. when walking down the steps of St. Paul's Cathedral!), but in the context of the show there seems to be some other significance... a nod towards their lost emotion?

Joe Siegler
11-10-2005, 07:01 PM
The "Mr Chrome" (aka the Hartnell Cybermen) I always called the "Sock Cybermen".

Mountain Man
11-10-2005, 10:22 PM
supermeerkat said:
It just occurs to me that, if the Doctor could "turn back death" (as mentioned in the Paul McGann TV movie), that must have meant he didn't like Adric much http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


The TV movie had a lot of rubbish bits.

supermeerkat
11-11-2005, 03:03 AM
Mountain Man said:
The TV movie had a lot of rubbish bits.



Lots and lots of them. The best thing about it was the TARDIS, and little else. It was a shame about Paul McGann, though, I would have liked to have seen more of him.

Joe Siegler
11-11-2005, 10:39 AM
Mountain Man said:

supermeerkat said:
It just occurs to me that, if the Doctor could "turn back death" (as mentioned in the Paul McGann TV movie), that must have meant he didn't like Adric much http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


The TV movie had a lot of rubbish bits.



That wasn't one of them. Most people slag the car chase, but Jon Pertwee's era had a few of those. The worst part of it was the "Half human" bit. Everything else I could explain away or come up with some explanation that works.

I rather liked it. It's not as bad as all that.

supermeerkat
11-11-2005, 12:37 PM
Has anyone noticed that the new cyberman has a stylised letter "C" on his chest?

Joe Siegler
11-11-2005, 02:38 PM
supermeerkat said:
Has anyone noticed that the new cyberman has a stylised letter "C" on his chest?



This? Yeah, it does look like a C, but it also looks to me like it rotates to point at other "points" in the area it's in. Kind of like a "chest lock".

Mountain Man
11-11-2005, 03:16 PM
Joe3DR said:

Mountain Man said:
The TV movie had a lot of rubbish bits.



That wasn't one of them. Most people slag the car chase, but Jon Pertwee's era had a few of those. The worst part of it was the "Half human" bit. Everything else I could explain away or come up with some explanation that works.

I rather liked it. It's not as bad as all that.


I guess the whole "half-human" nonsense was the biggest hang-up for me. And while the various action sequences were fine, they tended to overshadow the narrative and character development which made made for a pretty shallow story. In that respect, the new episodes have done more in 45 minutes than the TV movie did in 2 hours.

Dave-ros
11-12-2005, 08:21 AM
Billie Piper quits Doctor Who (http://www.smh.com.au/news/TV--Radio/Piper-quits-Doctor-Who/2005/05/24/1116700692210.html?oneclick=true)

Here we go again http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Edit: oh, hang on, that report says May, but I just saw it as a headline on the cover of the Mirror! Are they way behind everyone else as usual?

Joe Siegler
11-15-2005, 12:08 PM
I don't put a whole lot of stock in that. My gut feeling was that she'd either leave at the end of this series, or in the middle of the next. But that's speculation.

I wish she wouldn't for a bit, at least one more series, as she's been a far better companion.

There would be (hopefully) one upside of her going away, we'd lose her mum and Mickey, too. It's the one thing I don't like about the new who, is that it's too "bound" to Earth and the characters.

Granted, you could make the point that Pertwee's era was too, but at that time there was a concious effort to bind the show to Earth. New Who doesn't have that bind, it just ends up that way all the time.

Michelangelo
11-16-2005, 02:40 AM
I agree

Mountain Man
11-16-2005, 09:52 AM
Joe3DR said:
Granted, you could make the point that Pertwee's era was too, but at that time there was a concious effort to bind the show to Earth. New Who doesn't have that bind, it just ends up that way all the time.


I agree that there is no story driven reason for all the shows to be set on earth, but exec producer Russel T Davies made a purposeful decision in order to keep the program accessible to new viewers.

The good news is, the upcoming season reportedly has a few episodes set on alien planets.

supermeerkat
11-18-2005, 05:04 PM
Just seen the Doctor Who clip on children in need.

I liked Billie Piper's reaction to the Doctor: scared and angry. Not sure what to make of David Tenant - he looks like he could be interesting, as long as he doesn't do wacky or zany.

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">And then the Doctor's regeneration started to go wrong, and started to behave strangley. Very interesting. I hope the zero chamber makes an appearance in the christmas story. </td></tr></table>

Dave-ros
11-18-2005, 07:13 PM
Was out this evening, but just watched an online streamed version (thanks Joe o/) -- hmm... I too am unsure of what to make of David Tenant! To quote a double-entendre from the original series: he blows too hot and cold for me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I still think Troughton had the best post-regeneration -- would have been cool if Tenant could have looked into a mirror and seen Ecclestone's face for a moment!

And for our American viewers who watched the Children in Need telethon bit at the end: yes, every single BBC show these days invites you to "press the red button" to "interact", because they assume you're watching on Freeview or Sky Digital, rather than old-fashioned analogue like me and half the British population http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Joe Siegler
11-19-2005, 11:00 AM
Two geek moments.

1) The appearance of the Cloister Bell. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

2) The fact that the Doctor said he can't go backwards with a regeneration. Whether that means an immediate reversal of the one that just happened, or whether he can't regenerate into one of his old forms is unclear. But it's the first time I can recall that the subject of going backwards in a regeneration has been brought up.

supermeerkat
11-19-2005, 02:23 PM
Joe3DR said:
Two geek moments.

1) The appearance of the Cloister Bell. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif





http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Would you remind me what that is again, please?

GOK
11-20-2005, 04:23 PM
I believe the Doctor once said:
It warns of imminent danger and wild catastrophe.

Dave-ros
11-20-2005, 05:26 PM
supermeerkat said:

Joe3DR said:
Two geek moments.

1) The appearance of the Cloister Bell. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif





http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Would you remind me what that is again, please?


I noticed it too -- nice reference to the original series http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Basically that "bong" noise you could hear when things started to go wrong... I think it was first used in Davison's time, specifically Castrovalva when the TARDIS was rushing back to the beginning of time. And allegedly you can hear an early version of it in The Edge of Destruction, but that's presumably just "fanon"! (I can't judge, I've never seen that story!)

Mountain Man
11-20-2005, 07:53 PM
I thought the cloister bell showed up in Tom Baker's finale?

Tennant seems interesting. He was really all over the place in that short preview. That's the nice thing about the regeneration mythology: it allows new actors to "stretch their legs" so to speak before establishing their character.

One interesting bit:
<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">When he sets the TARDIS to crash--or whatever it is he's doing--Rose begs him to stop, then he has a brief moment of lucidity where he says, "I can't help it...the regeneration's going wrong." So it's like he's going out of his mind, he can tell he's going out of his mind, but there's nothing he can do about it. Very interesting.</td></tr></table>

cheeseboy
11-21-2005, 12:10 PM
For those that missed the mini: Watch here. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/pudsey/appealnight/doctor_who_special.shtml)

Nice little mini introducing Tennant, looks like he could be a promising new Doctor.

In other Doctor Who news, K9 to return (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4179702.stm).

Dave-ros
11-21-2005, 02:16 PM
Mountain Man said:
I thought the cloister bell showed up in Tom Baker's finale?



Tom Baker's finale, Peter Davison's premiere, close enough http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I knew it was at about that time anyway.


cheeseboy said:
In other Doctor Who news, K9 to return (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/tv_and_radio/4179702.stm).


Now that's interesting -- Sarah-Jane Smith and K9 (Mk III) appearing in the new show! Having an old companion (or two) is more of a link to the past than having an old enemy, I reckon...

I hope UNIT also return, for more than the space of a sentence! Though I doubt Nicholas Courtney would be well enough to appear as the Brigadier (although I think I walked past him in Hornsey earlier this year!).

Joe Siegler
12-01-2005, 01:57 PM
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

The Eccleston Series is being released on DVD in R1 in the US on Feb 14th. \o/

I'll get to finally watch the damn thing on my TV with 5.1 sound instead of having to watch on my computer monitor with crappy speakers.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2005/11/30/27788.shtml

Joe Siegler
12-01-2005, 01:58 PM
I hope UNIT also return, for more than the space of a sentence! Though I doubt Nicholas Courtney would be well enough to appear as the Brigadier (although I think I walked past him in Hornsey earlier this year!).



He doesn't have to be an "active" Brig. He could be some retired military adviser or something like that.

Or if you want to really play some hardcore nods, use Brigadier Bambera. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Joe Siegler
12-01-2005, 02:17 PM
Mountain Man said:
One interesting bit:
<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">When he sets the TARDIS to crash--or whatever it is he's doing--Rose begs him to stop, then he has a brief moment of lucidity where he says, "I can't help it...the regeneration's going wrong." So it's like he's going out of his mind, he can tell he's going out of his mind, but there's nothing he can do about it. Very interesting.</td></tr></table>



That sort of thing happened in Davison's first, Castrovalva, as well. Particularly in the bits before and around the Master's Event Zero trap. And when Davison was doing impressions of Doctors 1 & 2.

I grabbed some captures from the Tennant 6 minute segment (which appears to have no name as far as I can tell, unless people are just calling it Children in Need):

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_001.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_003.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_005.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_006.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_007.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_009.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_010.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_011.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_012.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_013.jpg

http://www.siegler.net/.pics/who/pdvd_014.jpg

supermeerkat
12-16-2005, 07:34 AM
I've found a review of the Doctor Who Christmas special . (http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=22040)

Sounds excellent. Only 9 days to go.

Mountain Man
12-16-2005, 09:16 AM
The only thing I don't like is that apparently producer Russel T. Davies is slipping some rather pointed anti-war messages into the show. He's free to speak his mind and all, of course, but commenting so openly about current events just seems out of place in Doctor Who.

Joe Siegler
12-22-2005, 05:42 PM
Box art for the Region 1 release, due on February 14th.

supermeerkat
12-22-2005, 06:09 PM
Joe3DR said:
Box art for the Region 1 release, due on February 14th.



I'm getting that for Christmas http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

IwantMORE
12-25-2005, 09:58 PM
Mountain Man said:
The only thing I don't like is that apparently producer Russel T. Davies is slipping some rather pointed anti-war messages into the show. He's free to speak his mind and all, of course, but commenting so openly about current events just seems out of place in Doctor Who.



The anti-war stuff was quite subtle in the end and worked well with the whole plot, I won't give to much away as I don't know if it's been shown in the states yet...

Joe Siegler
12-25-2005, 10:25 PM
I just got a hold of it, will be watching it later tonight.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

There also apparently was a sequence shown right after the episode which had various clips from the 2006 series. Of note were Sarah Jane Smith and K9, although we didn't hear them speak at all.

This bit is available via a streamed file from the BBC Dr Who website. It's on this page (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/video/) under the title "2006 Preview".

Speaking of that, the official website has an mp3 commentary (http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/xmascommentary.mp3) for the Xmas episode available as well.

There's also several short streaming clips of behind the scenes things too.

Joe Siegler
12-25-2005, 11:36 PM
Just got done watching it. Some bits I liked:

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">
The line "That was very Arthur Dent" of me..

The fact we got to see more of the new Tardis than the console room.

We got to see a bit of what Torchwood was about. A seriously badass special effect in that sequence.

Jackie's line "What else does he have two of?" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
</td></tr></table>

A pretty heavy spoiler, you really shouldn't read w/o seeing it:

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">
The new thing where he can regenerate body parts if still within a certain time from his actual regeneration - after he got his hand cut off.
</td></tr></table>

Unless I missed it, they didn't go for a seriously obvious chance at linking to the old series. It was in the scene where the new Doctor was picking his outfit. Could have had any one of the previous doctor's outfits in there. Didn't have to do anything with it. Closest I think they came was a multi colored scarf, but it wasn't either of the two that Tom Baker used. I'll have to listen to the commentary and see if there's anything in there about that. Would have been amusing to have him run across Colin Baker's jacket, winge at it and throw it away, but that's a fanboy dream, I guess. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

shiranui
12-26-2005, 01:25 AM
Is that the one with the insane spinning Christmas tree?

Joe Siegler
12-26-2005, 03:58 AM
shiranui said:
Is that the one with the insane spinning Christmas tree?



What specifically are you referring to here? I'm not sure what your post references?

Chimera
12-26-2005, 07:19 AM
Joe3DR said:
Unless I missed it, they didn't go for a seriously obvious chance at linking to the old series. It was in the scene where the new Doctor was picking his outfit.



Not quite, but he did hold up what looked like a costume from Casanova http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

And I was just waiting for someone to say something about <table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> Arthur Dent </td></tr></table>

And from the preview afterwards <table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">Cybermen, K9, Queen Vitoria, Cat people and Anthony Head playing a vampire? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif It's usually the other way around! </td></tr></table>

Only thing I'm disappointed with is the fact that my Freeview set-top-box won't let me fly the tardis http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

IwantMORE
12-26-2005, 09:56 AM
Joe3DR said:

shiranui said:
Is that the one with the insane spinning Christmas tree?



What specifically are you referring to here? I'm not sure what your post references?



I'm sure he's talking about the spinning Christmas tree that attacks them at the begining of the show, which was quite cool.

Mountain Man
12-26-2005, 11:19 AM
Not a bad start for Tennant, but I thought the episode was a bit weak overall despite having some very good bits:

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">I liked the portrayal of the prime minister. After seeing the character in Season 1, I was afraid her part would be comedic, but she was actually very smart and articulate. And apparently a cold-hearted bitch. Shooting down a retreating enemy? Boy did that piss the Doctor off!

I really liked seeing UNIT in action. Very cool!

Didn't much like the fact that the Doctor was basically MIA for half the episode. It made the ending a bit predictable and contrived: the Doctor swoops in at the last moment and saves the day, and with limbs that grow back? Rather deus ex machina, really.

On that note, I did like the fact that the Doctor was proactive! I wonder if this is going to be Tennant's character? Eccelston played the role as a reluctant hero while Tennant seems to play it with almost reckless abandon. Eccelston's Doctor would have never sent an enemy falling to his death. "No second chances. That's the kind of man I am."

I really liked the Doctor's final showdown with the prime minister. "I'll destroy you with a single word! No, six words. All I need are six words." then to her right-hand man, "Don't you think she looks tired?" Brilliant.</td></tr></table>
Frankly, I thought Eccelson's intro story was a bit stronger, perhaps because the character already knew who he was instead of essentially discovering himself in the last 10 minutes.

I was also a little surprised that the preview clip that was released a few weeks back wasn't incorporated into this episode. The TARDIS just kind of appears without explanation and the Doctor stumbles out, a bit like Pertwee's intro from Spearhead From Space. I wonder if anybody who hadn't seen the preview clip was confused, because Parting of Ways ended with the newly regenerated Doctor, apparently perfectly healthy, ready to take Rose on a holiday to the planet of Barcelona. The preview clip was really needed to bridge the gap between the episodes (unless the torrent I downloaded simply excised it?).

All in all, even though Tennant doesn't seem as strong an actor as Eccelston, he seems he'll do a fine job with the role. And I agree with Joe. During the wardrobe scene, I was busily scanning the racks for glimpses of old costumes and was a bit disappointed that they weren't there.

So, bring on Season 2!

Dave-ros
12-26-2005, 11:22 AM
Ah yes, Torchwood is coming soon... apparently it'll be the BBC's answer to The X-Files, only hopefully without all that tedious will-they won't-they between the main characters http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I have to say, that reminded me of a number of movies and other things... okay, spoilers ahoy:
<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">
Independence Day is obvious, but that had already been done before -- in fact, the alien ship reminded me more of the big flying mountain in the Virgin Missing Adventure novel Venusian Lullaby... I was even expecting people to be drawn up towards it and feel like they were falling onto it! (It wasn't written by Russell T. Davies, however!) Now, how many of you even know what I'm on about, I wonder? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
The aliens were, of course, Klingons (honour-bound warriors speaking with guttural speech), with a bit of Mars Attacks! Martians thrown in (the skeleton-ising laser whip thing, the scientist trying to translate them).
Some of the plot was reminiscent of that Monty Python sketch where aliens turn everyone in England into Scotsmen, who all run off north of the border http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
The Voyager-esque probe being swallowed by an alien spacecraft, who thus become aware of humanity and learn something of it, was somewhat reminiscent of Starman.
Torchwood's secret weapon turned Earth into a "Death Star" (/me makes quote-unquote gesture), much like, er, the second Austin Powers movie http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif However, more seriously, using it against a retreating enemy may well have been a reference to the sinking of the Belgrano durnig the Falklands War...

</td></tr></table>
All in all, it was pretty good... but I do wish they'd managed to get Christopher Ecclestone back to do this, then it could have been a proper send-off as he regenerated into David Tennant!

Edit: link to one of my points above, since otherwise it'd show up even in the spoiler tags:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falklands_War#Sinking_of_the_Belgrano

Mountain Man
12-26-2005, 11:27 AM
Dave-ros said:
All in all, it was pretty good... but I do wish they'd managed to get Christopher Ecclestone back to do this, then it could have been a proper send-off as he regenerated into David Tennant!


It actually could have been a great final Eccelston episode. Imagine him in the climatic showdown, defeating his adversary but being mortally wounded in the process (sacrificing himself to save Earth would have been very much in character). That would have been a fantastic send-off.

supermeerkat
12-26-2005, 03:43 PM
Not a bad start, although I can't quite shake the image of David Tenant being a creepy rapist - as the first drama I saw him in was where he played a seriously mental pyschopath.

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> Rose's whining got on my nerves rather a lot, though. </td></tr></table>

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> Was it me, or did it seem a little lame was that all it took to stop the invasion was the Doctor having a sword fight with a Klingon wannabe? </td></tr></table>

Overall , I'd say it was average, but I am looking forward to the next series.

Just remembered the biggest laugh of the new series:

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> “Wanna know the best bit? This hand is a fightin’ hand!” </td></tr></table>

That made me seriously laugh. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Joe Siegler
01-12-2006, 09:20 PM
The new Dr Who has FINALLY been sold in the US. Sci-Fi Channel will be showing it in March. It will be on Friday night in the same timeslot that Battlestar Galactica is. When Galactica finishes its run in March, Dr Who will take the timeslot. When Who's run is finished, Galactica's Season 3 will start up again.

This deal is for the 13 episode Series that just aired in 2005. Apparantly Sci-Fi has first refusal rights for the new series under production now for 2006.

While most net connected Who fans have already seen it, this is good news. Who 2005 was scheduled to be released on DVD in the US on Feb 14th, but that's been delayed till July 4th now until after it airs on Sci-Fi.

Links:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/scifi.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4607966.stm

The official site has a very silly flash announcement about this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho

Mountain Man
01-13-2006, 10:12 AM
Do you know if the episodes are going to air without commercials? I doubt it, but it would be cool to see them as originally broadcast in the UK. At any rate, that's great news. I'm going to have to set my VCR to record them.

Joe Siegler
01-13-2006, 04:19 PM
Don't count on it. Sci-Fi puts commericals in everything.

It is timed right though - I think it's 43 minutes, which is in the neighbhorhood of what an hour of TV puts in now anyway.

Joe Siegler
01-14-2006, 01:01 PM
Pictures of new Dr Who action figures/toys:

http://www.gallifreyone.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?id=EEFZkEVyFEHRSXLNbZ&tmpl=newsrss

Region 1 DVD images. Front and Back.

http://www.gallifreyone.com/picview.php?ret=news&sub=covers&id=newseriesdvd1na.jpg

http://www.gallifreyone.com/picview.php?ret=news&sub=covers&id=newseriesdvd1naint.jpg

shiranui
01-15-2006, 08:00 PM
supermeerkat said:
That made me seriously laugh. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Remind me never to sit in the same room as you, when the telly is on....

Joe Siegler
01-17-2006, 10:52 AM
Check it out. Action figures. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://www.gallifreyone.com/cgi-bin/viewnews.cgi?id=EEFZkEVyFEHRSXLNbZ&tmpl=newsrss

supermeerkat
01-18-2006, 03:53 AM
A while back I saw CE being interviewed on a BBC programme, and he was shown a prototype action figure of his Doctor; CE commented that they had "got the ears just right". The figure looked rather good, and was supposed to have been out for last xmas.

Just had a look at the links - there will be a remote controlled dalek and K9, both for under £20 each. I must have them.

Also there are two cybermen figures list as release 1 and release 2. I wonder what they are?

Joe Siegler
01-18-2006, 04:26 AM
I wanted to get the Christopher Eccleston & Billie Piper action figures, but I could never find them in stock. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Dave-ros
01-18-2006, 01:18 PM
supermeerkat said:
Just had a look at the links - there will be a remote controlled dalek and K9, both for under £20 each. I must have them.



A remote-controlled Dalek for under £20?! Eeeexcellent! The only one available at the moment seems to cost £40-£60 depending on where you go http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

Tang Lung
01-18-2006, 01:23 PM
My dad got one of those for christmas. It revealed the only known creature in the universe that is fearless towards the daleks..my cat.

KaiserSoze
02-19-2006, 05:58 PM
http://www.sterlingstudiosinc.com/Chalice/DalekHunter.JPG

Ultraman Nexus vs. The Daleks! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Joe Siegler
02-24-2006, 10:52 AM
Oh yeah? Take this. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

supermeerkat
02-24-2006, 02:15 PM
Wow! Now that's a collection! It beats the Cyberman, Dalek and Cybermat that live on the shelf next to my PC into a cocked hat.

Dave-ros
02-24-2006, 02:24 PM
Joe3DR said:
Oh yeah? Take this. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


YOU MOTHERFFFFfff........ dear God, that's a cool collection of Daleks, I'm jealous! Ah -- but do you have the foot-high Sevans self-assembly kit from the mid-1980s, hmm? No, neither do I any more http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I do have a later, smaller one that I put together in 1996 and is currently defending my mum's home, because I daren't bring it here on the train!

I also have a load of the Dapol Daleks -- used to have more, but they always seemed to break too easily, usually when I was having a war between Imperial and Renegade Daleks http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Oh, and I have a little Dalek model on the end of a keyring, bet you don't http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif (needless to say, it's purely for display, I won't use and break it!)

Edit: have a look at this pic I made back in 2002 -- my toy Daleks vs. a Lego tank I built about 10 years before (big enough for "action figures")...

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/2015/daleksvstanksmall0mv.jpg

jimbob
02-24-2006, 02:50 PM
Joe3DR said:
Box art for the Region 1 release, due on February 14th.

they show that on belgian TV here, i must say that i konda like it, but always seem to forget its on http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

last episode i watched was with some aliens invading the british government and atempting to start a war. and a hilariously bad rocked effect http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Joe Siegler
02-24-2006, 05:25 PM
supermeerkat said:
Wow! Now that's a collection! It beats the Cyberman, Dalek and Cybermat that live on the shelf next to my PC into a cocked hat.



I didn't say it was MY collection. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I personally only have two Daleks. I can't say who that is, except it's no one here at 3DR.

supermeerkat
02-24-2006, 05:47 PM
Joe3DR said:
I didn't say it was MY collection. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I personally only have two Daleks. I can't say who that is, except it's no one here at 3DR.



Is it anyone famous, or someone we might know? Or is it really yours, but too embarassed to say?

On the subject of Daleks, I'd like to point out I've finally started work on a full sized Dalek, using some plans I found on the internet. Despite being 32, I'm getting my Dad to help, as I feel really uneasy about using my own and potential lethal powertools (i.e. a circular saw and band saw) on my own. It's best to be safe than sorry.

I will keep you all informed via a blog type thing, which I will put together at some point....

Tang Lung
02-24-2006, 07:29 PM
Joe3DR said:
Oh yeah? Take this. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Is it me, or did anyone else spot a couple of Daleks in that shot? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Joe Siegler
02-24-2006, 09:44 PM
No, if it was mine, I'd tell you.

Mountain Man
02-28-2006, 02:18 PM
supermeerkat said:
On the subject of Daleks, I'd like to point out I've finally started work on a full sized Dalek, using some plans I found on the internet.


I've been itching to make my own 1/4 scale TARDIS. I found 1/2 scale plans on the internet, so I would just need to divide all the measurements by half. Maybe one of these days I'll actually do it.

On a related note, the Sci Fi Channel will begin airing Season 1 starting March 17 at 9 am EST. Here's the official Sci Fi Channel Doctor Who page (http://www.scifi.com/doctorwho/).

Mountain Man
03-27-2006, 11:22 AM
I've caught the last few episodes of Doctor Who on the Sci Fi Channel. I have no idea what kind of ratings it has been getting, but they've really been playing it up with lots of promos, so hopefully it's attracting an audience.

However, I must say, I much prefer it without commercials. There are also other minor changes to the program. For instance, in the first episode, Rose, during the Doctor and Rose's first extended conversation after the arm attack, there is some rather distracting indicental music on the sound track like was heard in the leaked pilot of the program but not in the BBC version. Didn't notice any changes to The End of the World, but in The Unquiet Dead, they cut the scene just after Rose's wardrobe change where the Doctor compliments her--"You look beautiful! Well...for a human." I'm not sure why they cut this scene because it is important for establishing the relationship of the characters, and it sets up a joke that pays off later in the episode (Rose chides the Doctor for not changing his clothes, to which the Doctor replies, "I changed my jumper!" Later, Charles Dickens makes a comment about the Doctor's wardrobe, prompting the Doctor to ask, "What is wrong with this jumper?").

QuiGonJ
03-28-2006, 12:26 AM
http://www.whona.com got in a supply of the figures today. Rose comes with K9 and there's a regeneration set with Eccleston and Tennant.

Joe Siegler
03-28-2006, 10:45 AM
http://www.whona.com got in a supply of the figures today. Rose comes with K9 and there's a regeneration set with Eccleston and Tennant.

Got a direct link? I looked in their Dr Who section, and didn't see anything like that.

Edit: Bugger. In my mind, I've just spent about $300 there. Can't afford any of it, though. :(

cheeseboy
04-01-2006, 06:44 AM
Tardisodes (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/tardisodes/). New one minute snippits of who. With scary cat lady in.

New series of Dr Who should be aired on April 15th.

Chimera
04-01-2006, 03:05 PM
:woot:

QuiGonJ
04-02-2006, 10:21 PM
Joe, it was there, I guess they sold out. But if you contact them, they are very helpful and might help you with a pre-order or something.

Mountain Man
04-04-2006, 04:05 PM
Tardisodes (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/tardisodes/). New one minute snippits of who. With scary cat lady in.
That was freaky!

Chimera
04-08-2006, 02:01 PM
Doctor Who night tomorrow on bbc 3 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/04/04/30941.shtml)

Including the 40th anniversary documentary and an hour long doctor who confidential retrospective and preview thingy. :woot: :woot: :woot:

Dave-ros
04-15-2006, 03:07 PM
New series started tonight... and although some would think "zombie movie", my first thought was of the old 1980s story Terminus! But I won't spoil it, for those of you in the USA who won't get it on TV until next year (and in the meantime will have to download it or whatever) -- suffice to say, at last they go to another planet, albeit New Earth :p

supermeerkat
04-15-2006, 03:33 PM
Tonight's episode: the Doctor and Rose arrive on "New Earth" in the far future and discover a hospital run by cats that has a dark secret....

Mrs Supermeerkat and I give it 3/5. Has potential, but still a bit limp. Also, neither of us are convinced by DT yet - we much preferred CE.

Chimera
04-15-2006, 03:39 PM
wasn't the best of the best, but Billie Piper was fantastic :D
I agree with Supermeerkat's 3/5 definitely has it's highlights though

I am seriously in love with David Tennant :love:

Just out of interest, where are the spoiler tags hidden?

supermeerkat
04-15-2006, 03:40 PM
Just out of interest, where are the spoiler tags hidden?

Yes, where do they reside? I more to say:cool:

Dave-ros
04-15-2006, 06:30 PM
Just type spoiler and /spoiler in square brackets...


Zoe Wannamaker's character, the ancient woman who's just a rectangle of skin with a face, mysteriously survived exploding last season... I missed why, was it cloning, or just very, very good facial reconstruction? ;)

supermeerkat
04-15-2006, 06:39 PM
Dave-ros

Cassandra's body was destroyed but her brain, which sat in a jar below the frame that held her skin, survived. So she had a new "face" using some of her remaining skin.

Rose: So that means your talking out of your...

Cassandra (interupting): Ask not.

JackpotDen
04-15-2006, 07:30 PM
I finally saw it, and It didnt live up to my expectations as much, but it was quite fun. I think I would have preffered the 9th doctor, but I always missed the episodes :(

I made a dalek song, but its more than 1 mb (1.09 mb) so I cant upload it places. need help!

Mountain Man
04-15-2006, 11:03 PM
Not bad, but not particularly good, either. I much prefer Eccelston's more thoughtful approach to the character. Of course, it could be the pacing of this particular story, which seemed more rushed than usual. It just felt like we weren't with the Doctor enough to really get to know him, and when we were with him, it seemed like he was mostly running around and shouting. Not to mention, the climax was a bit pants:

In all honesty, the whole idea of curing these people of thousands of diseases in mere seconds simply by spraying them with a bunch of vaccinations and having them touch each other didn't seem at all plausible. It was also a bit of a rip of The Doctor Dances, which did it much, much better.
I guess it's going to take me another episode or two to accept Tennet as the Doctor. If only Eccelston didn't leave such big shoes to fill. :(

Edit to add that I'm also not too keen on how they seem to be playing up the Doctor/Rose romance.

supermeerkat
04-16-2006, 06:27 AM
MM - exactly what I thought about the episode.

I'm with you on the romance bit - that kind of sexual element just isn't right in Doctor Who, and it doesn't work in my eyes - the Doctor is an alien, something totally different to humans, and would never do anything like that. On the subject of aliens, CE was much better as he bought across how alien the Doctor was.

cheeseboy
04-16-2006, 07:58 AM
Thought it was an OK episode, seemed a bit too contived at some points but fun regardless. I don't particulary like this blooming romantic undertone with Rose and the Doctor either, hopefully its nothing. Billie piper really stole the show for me this episode.

I wonder what this big secret the face of Bo has to tell the Doctor in their third meeting?

Dave-ros
04-16-2006, 08:07 AM
I think we can all agree that the Doctor shouldn't be falling in love with his assistant, but I think we can also agree that a bit of "puppy love" on the part of the assistant is forgiveable. It's not like he's kissed her the way Paul McGann's Doctor kissed Grace in the TV Movie... now that was a romantic kiss, no argument! Mind you, she at least was a grown woman ;)

Tang Lung
04-16-2006, 10:11 AM
I feel that Russel Davis' writing at some points is horrible. I mean, why do we have plot elements just flying out of nowhere to provide a quick fix to wrap up the story. And why is he desperatly trying to bring loads of sexual elements into a show that's intended for children?

As far as DT is concerned, I don't find anything wrong with his acting, but he's way too young IMO.

Dave-ros
04-16-2006, 11:21 AM
So was Peter Davison :hhg: (BTW he was the Doctor I grew up with, which makes me somewhere between Joe and everyone else :p)

Mountain Man
04-16-2006, 06:14 PM
I think Tennet has the chops to pull it off. He just needs some better scripts.

Joe Siegler
04-18-2006, 01:28 PM
I think we can all agree that the Doctor shouldn't be falling in love with his assistant, but I think we can also agree that a bit of "puppy love" on the part of the assistant is forgiveable. It's not like he's kissed her the way Paul McGann's Doctor kissed Grace in the TV Movie... now that was a romantic kiss, no argument! Mind you, she at least was a grown woman ;)

Well, there were two kisses in the McGann movie. The first I always chalked up to excitement at finally remembering who he was. The second one was complete cheese with fireworks and everything. I blamed that on Fox. :)

And New Earth was fine. Felt like old Doctor Who to me. As someone brought up, it felt like Terminus a lot. I can see that. The only problem I had was:

What the hell was the point of having Face of Boe here? From a story standpoint, it was totally pointless.

Dave-ros
04-18-2006, 01:48 PM
Technically there were three kisses -- you forgot the one where she said "would you do that again?". In the novelisation of the TV movie, she kisses him at the end, rather than both of them snogging... as though the author were trying to correct certain flaws with the TV movie ;)

And in answer to your spoiler question, I'd say: for the same reason "Bad Wolf" kept showing up last season -- because it keeps us watching in case we find out what it's all about :p

Mountain Man
04-18-2006, 08:44 PM
What the hell was the point of having Face of Boe here? From a story standpoint, it was totally pointless.
Read at Outpost Gallifrey that supposedly, the Face of Boe actually was supposed to die in this episode and reveal his secret, but when the show was given a contract for a third season, this particular scene was rewritten and Boe's secret will be revealed in another episode, possibly next season.

JackpotDen
04-18-2006, 09:04 PM
It was also the face of boe that contacted the doctor

Joe Siegler
04-18-2006, 10:03 PM
but when the show was given a contract for a third season

THat doesn't fly. When it was renewed for a second season, it was renewed for a third at the same time.

supermeerkat
04-22-2006, 03:09 PM
double post. Whoops.:doh:

supermeerkat
04-22-2006, 03:14 PM
Tonights show: The Doctor ends up in Scotland in the year 1789, and meets Queen Victoria. They go onto a local manor house that has been overtaken by monks who keep a strange looking man in a cage. Later that night there is a full moon and strange deeds afoot...

It was quite a violent episode, scary but exciting.

Mrs Supermeerkat and I rate it: 3 / 5 - better than episode 1 but still lacking something. The script was by RTD, and we think that he just doesn't seem to have "it", kind of pretty lightweight.


The man in the cage is a werewolf, or rather the remnants of an alien that feel to earth three hundred years, and it wants to possess Queen Victoria and start a new era of the wolf.

The werewolf CGI wasn't bad, and the shock and scare tactics worked well. Overall this is was reasonable episode, and if the rest of the series was at the same level it'll be pretty good. It was on a par with the average episodes from series 1.

Dave-ros
04-22-2006, 03:22 PM
^ 1879 fool :tinyted:

I definitely prefer Tennant to Ecclestone, he's less insulting (apart from a couple of times he caught himself being "rude") and more eccentric, like the old Doctors!

My female housemate watched tonight's episode without complaint (apart from not being able to hear a couple of lines), after having hated "Aliens of London" last year!


So, Torchwood was set up by Queen Victoria as a way of fighting the Doctor and keeping him away from the British Empire, eh? This implies they'll actually be his enemies in a future episode...

supermeerkat
04-22-2006, 03:28 PM
Dave-ros - just checking you were paying attention.

Joke of the episode;



Scottish Guy: Did you not notice anything was amiss: my wife was absent and the appearance of my servants.

Doctor: Your servants are bald and muscular, your wife is away. There was me thinking you were happy.

supermeerkat
04-22-2006, 03:30 PM
I prefer Eccleston to Tennant.

Mind you, I've just bought "Genesis of the Daleks" on DVD, supposedly the best Doctor Who story ever made, and after watching that (admittedly brilliant) story tonight's episode just didn't measure up.

Dave-ros
04-22-2006, 06:38 PM
Really? I was actually quite disappointed with Genesis -- I know they were going through budget problems that season (which is why The Ark in Space and Revenge of the Cybermen happen on the exact same set), but still, it seemed rather scrappily put together -- and the cliffhangers almost all sucked, especially episode 2's freeze-frame :mryuck: Not to mention the Kaled and Thal cities being about 2 miles apart and connected by a whacking great tunnel! :insomnia:

Mountain Man
04-22-2006, 06:51 PM
The script was by RTD, and we think that he just doesn't seem to have "it", kind of pretty lightweight.
As a writer, he seems rather "hit or miss" to me. He can write a terrific script just as easily as a "meh" one.

As for the Eccelston vs. Tennet debate, I really like Eccelston alot. Tennet hasn't quite won me over yet. He's very good, but he still hasn't become the Doctor for me. I'll see what I think after watching tonight's episode (downloading it now).

supermeerkat
04-22-2006, 07:02 PM
Really? I was actually quite disappointed with Genesis :

Now you come to mention it, and I've had time to reflect upon it, Genesis is filled with quite a few plot holes and illogicalities. The acting isn't bad, but the plot is quite weak: at the end, when the Doctor has an attack of conscience as to whether he has the right to destroy the daleks, when he knows what they are and what they become. Also, the Doctor becomes very keen to accept that the Councillors have dealt with Davros, and that he (Davros) will comply with their wishes unconditionally, even after the Doctor has seen first hand how deceptive and nasty Davros is.

I could go on and on. But the main thing is that the story just works when you take it as a piece of lightweight, mild sci-fi. Also, Tom Baker is a delight to watch in anything he does, and after seeing him at his best, somehow DT just doesn't seem any good.

Mountain Man
04-23-2006, 12:14 AM
Interesting story. Terrific build up (just like New Earth), but then comes all the action and running and what-not and the plot just kind of gets forgotten. I watched The Long Game from the first season on the Sci-Fi Channel last night, and I liked it quite a bit better than tonight's episode. In The Long Game, the Doctor is presented with a mystery, he investigates, asks questions, and keeps digging for the answer until he finds it. Very enjoyable stuff.

On the other hand, these last two episodes with Tennet present the Doctor with a mystery, he runs around (literally) until suddenly "Ah-ha! I've figured it out!" and he's solved the problem, roll the credits.

Maybe it's because Tennet is younger and more suited for an action role, I don't know, but I'm hoping the later episodes start to slow things down a bit and let us really start to get to know this Doctor.

Edit: Read this over at Outpost Gallifrey - The Doctor introduced himself as "Doctor James McCrimmon". This is a reference to Jamie, a companion of Doctor #2. Very subtle nod to the fans.

Chimera
04-23-2006, 04:46 AM
Edit: Read this over at Outpost Gallifrey - The Doctor introduced himself as "Doctor James McCrimmon". This is a reference to Jamie, a companion of Doctor #2. Very subtle nod to the fans.

Don't forget it was Dor James McCrimmon of Balamory (http://www.bbc.co.uk/cbeebies/balamory/) *snorts*

Dave-ros
04-23-2006, 04:52 AM
Yeah, I've noticed they run around for a bit, then lock themselves in a room which the monster of the week can't get into (for a while) so they can have some plot exposition and figure out a solution. But come on, running up and down corridors is what Doctor Who is all about! :p

Mountain Man
04-23-2006, 08:07 AM
But come on, running up and down corridors is what Doctor Who is all about! :p
Well, in the older series, yes, but that's only because they needed filler to stretch the stories out into multiple episodes. There was rarely the problem of story and plotting being sacrificed for action. The same can't really be said for these last two episodes. They've been enjoyable, certainly, but I've seen better, like most of last season's stories.

Joe Siegler
04-28-2006, 02:21 AM
supposedly the best Doctor Who story ever made

That supposedly is City of Death, actually. Don't agree with that, though.

Mountain Man
04-28-2006, 11:35 AM
I really don't think there is a definitive "best story".

supermeerkat
04-29-2006, 05:34 PM
Hmm. Another underwhelming episode tonight - slightly better as it wasn't written by RTD. I'm not that impressed with DT. The other doctor's had gravitas, authority and feeling of power DT certainly doesn't.

Mountain Man
04-29-2006, 10:38 PM
I rather enjoyed this week's episode. It felt more like classic Doctor Who than any of Tennant's previous stories. But I agree, he doesn't quite have the same gravitas as other actors who have held the role. One scene in particular:

When the school master offered the Doctor the power to change the universe, I didn't at all get the sense from Tennan'ts performance that the Doctor was deeply conflicted even though the scene was written that way. However, the first confrontation with the school master was very well played and Tennant was able to portray a little of the Doctor's authority. So it was a bit hit or miss over all.

Other good bits were pretty much all the scenes between the Doctor and Sarah Jane, and Micky's "what the hell" shrug just before he unplugged the computer network (that actually got a laugh out of me.). And how cool was it to see K9 again? According to the credits, John Leeson reprised his role, which was nice to hear.

Personally, I was happy to see Micky actually come aboard the TARDIS. It'll be interesting to see how they use him in upcoming stories. I hope he isn't just a one-note comic relief.

All in all, getting better, but still note quite there yet.

JackpotDen
04-30-2006, 12:04 AM
I think Eccles was a throwback to the first 3, wheras the 10th is more like the "pleasant" doctors.

Joe Siegler
04-30-2006, 01:19 AM
Hmm. Another underwhelming episode tonight - slightly better as it wasn't written by RTD. I'm not that impressed with DT. The other doctor's had gravitas, authority and feeling of power DT certainly doesn't.

I disagree with that strongly. In the three episodes of the new series, I see Tennant as a wide range. I think it's as good as Eccelston, just different. It also shows me the weakness of some of the classic series actors. I can't see some folks (like Sylvester McCoy) doing some of this stuff. I liked McCoy, but his weakness was that he couldn't do deadly serious very well. There's many examples when he tries to be domineering, and it fails. I see none of that in Tennant or Eccleston. None.

Anyway, about School Reunion. I have a boatload of comments, and if you haven't seen it I urge you NOT to click the spoiler button, as I'm going to hit just about every plot point there is.

A few random remarks:

Always felt that Sarah Jane needed a better goodbye story than "Eldrad Must Live!"

Anyway, this could have used some more time - found it odd that the show started the way it did. I wondered in the opening sequence with the Doctor teaching what William Hartnell's doctor would have thought of that. Why Rose and the Doctor were there seemed odd, and the Tardisode didn't really add anything there, either, IMO.

My only disappointment was that we didn't see more of K9. His total screen time was just a few minutes, I was hoping for more than that.

When Sarah said "How come you didn't come back"? - I said out loud "Well, Leela had a bit more sex appeal, that's why!"

Great to wallow in the past like that. Yes, I loved K9. I loved Melanie. I loved William Hartnell, I loved Chris Eccleston. I love all of who, I'm not a compartmentalized fan who can only like bits and pieces of it. Either like all of it, or like none of it. Having said that, if you take Sarah Jane & K9 out of this story, it's pretty pedestrian - nothing special about the episode itself.

Unplugging the Matrix computers was fun.

"I'm the dog" was the best line of the episode.

The bit where Sarah found the Tardis.. In that exct moment I thought she looked almost exactly like the actress who plays Harriet Jones. Quite eerie that - my wife thought the same thing too when we talked about it after watching it.

"The missus and the Ex - every guy's nightmare". I think Mickey had the best lines of the episode, it seemed.

The bit towards the end when they went back into human form in the middle of a stairwell, was it me, or did that sound like the same sound the Slitheen made when "changing form"? I actually said out loud - "Hey, it's a Slitheen - where's the blue zipper effect"?

Loved the bit about Rose & Sarah having a laugh at the Doctor's Expense.

I was glad that Sarah got to see the inside of the Tardis - I would have been midly annoyed in a "Comic Book Guy" fashion had she not.

Great scene when the Doctor first met Sarah. Loved - loved Tennant's acting. It really felt like the same character meeting her again to me.

Great dialogue in the restuarant when the Doctor talked to Sarah about "why didn't you come back"? I love that this new WHo deals with a side of the story that we never saw in the old series. In Series 27, we got to see what happened to the people left behind who were friends of the people that up and disappered with the Doctor. In this episode, we got to see what happened to a companion after being left behind. Great tie ins to the old show's mythos.

I voted 5/5 - but mostly on the nostalgia factor. As I said before, without Sarah & K9 this episode would have been about a 2.

Great stuff. Really loved this one a lot.

Dave-ros
04-30-2006, 06:59 AM
Yeah, that one was pretty good, and it's nice to finally have a proper link to the original series...

...though part of me wonders if Sarah saying a true, final "goodbye" to the Doctor at the end signals the new series finally breaking all ties with the continuity of the original series, i.e. those of us who watched the original should stop expecting nods to the previous Doctors and companions, or hoping for UNIT or the Master to appear... but I might be reading too much into that ;)

And at least K9 kicked some butt for a change, instead of trundling slowly along and exploding -- and getting John Leeson to do his voice was as cool as getting the guy who did the Robot's voice to be in the Lost in Space movie!

Mountain Man
04-30-2006, 09:35 PM
Great to wallow in the past like that. Yes, I loved K9. I loved Melanie. I loved William Hartnell, I loved Chris Eccleston. I love all of who, I'm not a compartmentalized fan who can only like bits and pieces of it. Either like all of it, or like none of it. Having said that, if you take Sarah Jane & K9 out of this story, it's pretty pedestrian - nothing special about the episode itself.
Thing is, this was really Sarah Jane's story more than anything. The whole thing about the bat people in the school was more of a subplot, so, yeah, take her out and you pretty much gut the whole point of the episode.

supermeerkat
05-06-2006, 05:49 PM
Tonight was the first episode of series 2 that I liked - and I'm slowly starting to warm to DT.

There was one line that DT delivered that made me think he could be a good Doctor Who, and it was "Do you know what monsters have nightmares about? ME!"

Dave-ros
05-06-2006, 07:29 PM
^ Absolutely :D

That was also a really sad ending... won't spoil it for our American viewers, but suffice to say, remember that line in the first season, something like "The world doesn't end if the Doctor dances"?

Mountain Man
05-06-2006, 10:21 PM
Terrific episode! David Tennant has finally become the Doctor to me. This story was right up there with the best of Season 1, David Tennant's "Dalek" if you will. Lots of really great moments from beginning to end. This is the first Tennant episode where I wasn't imagining how Eccelston would have done it because this one was pure DT.

And it wasn't just the characterizations. The actual story itself was very entertaining and imaginative. The whole hopping back and forth across dimensions was classic Doctor Who, along with some very freaky but brilliantly designed monsters.

Well, it took DT four episodes, but he's finally won me over. And, yes, the "nightmares" line is truly iconic. And who could forgot:

"I'm the King of France!"

"Yeah? Well, I'm the Lord of Time."

Wonderful stuff.

ShakeItBaby
05-06-2006, 11:46 PM
I quite like Tennant so far. Much closer to the classic Tom Baker eccentricity feel of the show than Eccleston. Eccleston always came across a bit too emo for my liking.

As for best Who story ever, a lot of fans tend to vote for Pyramids of Mars or Talons of Weng-Chiang (my personal favourite). I can't imagine anyone outside of France voting for City of Death, although it did have budget and location going for it. Genesis of the Daleks is of course another classic, and easily in the top ten.

Joe Siegler
05-08-2006, 06:43 PM
Holy crap was that good. The trailer at the end of the Sarah episode almost seems to have nothing to do with what we saw. This was by far the best of the season for me.

Mountain Man, this was Tennant's fifth episode. Forgot Christmas Invasion. :)

ShakeItBaby
05-08-2006, 07:08 PM
Yeah girl in the fireplace episode was really well done.

If you aren't one of those pedantic nerds who can't stand the idea of the Doctor getting some "hanky panky in the Tardis". :D

Mountain Man
05-09-2006, 11:44 AM
Mountain Man, this was Tennant's fifth episode. Forgot Christmas Invasion. :)
Eh, yeah, guess I did. :o

Joe Siegler
05-11-2006, 04:36 PM
Do we know if the lead female (not Rose, the one in this particular episode) was someone who really existed in history?

Edit: Yeah, apparently she is (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madame_de_Pompadour).

Dave-ros
05-11-2006, 07:00 PM
Ah yes, and I take it you noticed why she was caught up in events...

...the robots knew she had the same name as their ship (revealed in the last shot of the episode), and that thus they needed her brain when she was as old as the ship!

Incidentally, I've been playing Thief II recently and noted a charming similarity in terms of clockwork robots... makes me wonder what that sci-fi show with steam-powered spacecraft (Jules Verne in space) would have been like!

ShakeItBaby
05-12-2006, 01:32 AM
Yeah that was a cool last-shot twist. Smart of the writers to do it that way for intelligent views to spot instead of just spelling it out.

Joe Siegler
05-12-2006, 10:49 AM
New Cybermen on the cover of the Radio Times:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/images/radiotimes_cybercover.jpg

In all the pics I've seen of the new Cybermen, this is the first where you can "see the brain". I wonder if that model is any different - perhaps the old Cyberleader (who in JNT's era at least), who used to be differentiated from the others by black head handles. I expect this will be better pulled off than the one time (Earthshock) where you could see the actor's chin inside the head.

I do like the quote by RTD saying that the word "Silver" won't be used, that the word "Steel" is the one he wants used in connection with the new Cybermen.

Dave-ros
05-12-2006, 07:07 PM
I just hope that in this parallel universe, the Cybermen won't jump in fright every time someone says the world "gold"... I'm looking forward to seeing the show this weekend!

Joe Siegler
05-12-2006, 10:08 PM
I just hope that in this parallel universe, the Cybermen won't jump in fright every time someone says the world "gold"... I'm looking forward to seeing the show this weekend!

I think I remember reading they're still affected by Gold, but the "Ahh! Run away - it's Gold" factor of some of the latter Cybermen stories won't be an issue anymore.

supermeerkat
05-13-2006, 03:13 PM
Tonight's episode was brilliant! Better than the last one! I'm starting to warm to DT.

Tang Lung
05-13-2006, 03:18 PM
Those of you in the US who can't get it, theres a picture in that Radio Times of one of the designs of the new Cybermen before the final one they actually used, and I have to say it looks a hell of a lot cooler IMO (not to take anything away from the one they used however, it still looks great).

supermeerkat
05-13-2006, 03:26 PM
My mini review. Me and Mrs Supermeerkat rate this show 4/5 - the best of the series so far, well written, tense and atmospheric.


The Doctor, Rose and Mickey arrive on an alternative London, that appears quite similar except for the Zeppelin's that fill the sky, and everyone has strange earpieces. Rose's dad appears on every poster selling health drinks. Rose becomes desperate to meet her Dad, who died when she was a child in her own universe.

Mickey is feeling rather alienated from the Doctor and Rose, and Rose seems to be getting rather jealous of the Doctor's friendship with any women.

Meanwhile an unwell man called Lumic talks about the next upgrade that he wants to make available to humanity. Unfortunately, this won't be optional.

Representatives of Lumic appear on the streets of London looking for subjects to process. They quickly round a group of homeless people with the promise of food.

Mickey quickly gets separated from the Doctor and Rose, and meets his doppelganger called Ricky, who turns out to be London's most wanted man and is leading a rebellion against Lumic.

The Doctor and Rose make it to Rose's Dad mansion, where a massive party if taking place in honour of her Mum's birthday. The President of Britain is also present. Suddenly, hundreds of Cyberman appear, and inform the party members they are ready for deletion....

supermeerkat
05-13-2006, 03:29 PM
These new cybermen kick ass. In my opinion, they are best design yet. Really tough and metallic, brushed steel. :o

Mountain Man
05-13-2006, 04:54 PM
I think I remember reading they're still affected by Gold, but the "Ahh! Run away - it's Gold" factor of some of the latter Cybermen stories won't be an issue anymore.
It got really silly in the McCoy story Silver Nemesis, where the Cybermen were allergic to gold like someone with a peanut allergy. At least in the Tom Baker years, the writers attempted some plausibility by saying that gold dust could clog their breath intake. Even Peter Davison had to grind Adric's gold medallion into the Cyberleader's chest plate. By the time we got to McCoy, though, the Cybermen were afraid of the mere presence of gold. Nice to know that RDT isn't daft enough to continue down that path.

Dave-ros
05-13-2006, 08:06 PM
Tonight's episode was decent, though the ending was a bit hackeneyed ;)

Also, you Yanks and Canucks may not know Roger Lloyd-Pack (the wheelchair guy -- apparently they put him in a wheelchair because the actor broke his leg before filming!), but he's actually more of a comedy actor -- in Only Fools and Horses he's a mind-bogglingly slow-witted moron, while in The Vicar of Dibley he's a highly parochial pervert :o So to see him as, er, the role he plays in this episode was quite weird...


...but needless to say he's the other universe's equivalent of Tobias Vaughan from The Invasion-- anyone spot the reference to International Electromatix, which is apparently just a "front"? Surprised no-one said "hey, that name sounds so Sixties!" ;)

Mountain Man
05-13-2006, 09:30 PM
Not a bad episode all around. I thought last week's was better, but this week's was still quite good.

So Micky is Ricky in the alternate universe? Is there some connection here to Doc #9 always calling him Ricky?

supermeerkat
05-14-2006, 06:49 AM
Apparently Roger Lloyd-Pack based his character Lumic on Donald Rumsfeld (http://tinyurl.com/gfnu6).

Hmmm.

Mountain Man
05-15-2006, 10:17 AM
That's the silliest thing I've ever heard. Usually when an actor bases their role on an actual person, they tend to mimick the person's actual behavior rather than simply mock what they think of that person's ideology. It would be like someone playing the role of a retarded person saying, "I based my character on President Bush, because I think Bush is an idiot."

In short, he didn't base his character on Donald Rumsfeld, he's just trying to score some cheap political points.

Dave-ros
05-15-2006, 12:42 PM
Bit like how Dennis Haysbert said he based Senator / President Palmer (in 24) on Abraham Lincoln and Colin "That's Coe-lin to you" Powell... a cross between the Great Emancipator and the highest African-American man in the US government at the time? Hey, he's gotta be a good man! :p

supermeerkat
05-15-2006, 01:12 PM
I think I should have put a :doh: after my Hmmmm, in my previous post.

Joe Siegler
05-15-2006, 01:15 PM
It got really silly in the McCoy story Silver Nemesis, where the Cybermen were allergic to gold like someone with a peanut allergy. At least in the Tom Baker years, the writers attempted some plausibility by saying that gold dust could clog their breath intake. Even Peter Davison had to grind Adric's gold medallion into the Cyberleader's chest plate. By the time we got to McCoy, though, the Cybermen were afraid of the mere presence of gold. Nice to know that RDT isn't daft enough to continue down that path.

That's exactly what I was thinking of. I can't remember if/how the Gold factor played into Colin's story at the moment. Been awhile since I saw it.

Interesting theories I read online is that this Alternate Earth will end up being Mondas, as it'll get sucked through into our own universe when the Doctor returns to the proper universe, thereby tying it into the already existing Cybermen mythos.

What's his face in the chair seems an awful lot like the "Davros of Cybermen".

Also, that control panel in the blimp control room where this guy was looked an awful lot like the control panel in Floor 500 of the space Station from Eccleston's series from Long Game and the final two episodes.

Anyone else a fan of the show Chef!? The actress who played Ricky's Grandmother was the same actress that played "Auntie Clariss" in Series 1 & 3 of Chef. Since we saw her doing some rather silly things in that show, I immediately busted out laughing - "Look! It's Auntie Clariss"! I know that's no fault of the actress or the writing, or the acting - just my perception of that. I accept that. But darnit, I couldn't stop laughing that entire scene - for all the wrong reasons. Anyone else have this reaction?

What was the dramatic point of killing the Tardis? It's dead... no wait, it's not. Why? Should have been left dead until Part 2, otherwise there really was no drama in that.

Here's something I posted on outpost Gallifrey about this:

I think the impact of the cybermen would have increased tenfold if they'd had the courage not to fully reveal their appearance until the episode. Blurred, or incomplete shots distributed in the press releases and web-pages, followed by the cinematic build would have really cranked up the tension, just so we were desperate to see them, and then in comes the impact. Would have been brilliant, but the BBC obviously thought that would have been a bit of an audience gamble...for some reason these days, we're impatient, we like to see what we get, we like to try before we buy, and we like to see what we're about to see even if it'll spoil things...at least they held off from putting the preview on the end, a little bit of courage and intelligence which is good to see.

My reply: Yet screw up the same by blasting the images of what they look like all over creation ages before the show airs, and then give it a title name of "Rise of the Cybermen". If "The Age of Steel" was used as Part 1, it might have had more dramatic impact. I submit that there was no dramatic reveal on the grounds that we already knew what they looked like. Hell, front page of the Radio Times was a full bore face shot. It was no secret, IMO.

For as much grief as JNT gets, he handled it right in Earthshock, if you were following the show then.

This is just me talking about how the reveal was handled. I did enjoy the episode, even if bits were a bit too predictable.

Chimera
05-15-2006, 02:14 PM
What was the dramatic point of killing the Tardis? It's dead... no wait, it's not. Why? Should have been left dead until Part 2, otherwise there really was no drama in that.




Well...

A handy pocket sized portable power source... what's the betting it gets lost / stolen / broken before the end of the epsiode? :)

Joe Siegler
05-15-2006, 11:23 PM
Well...

A handy pocket sized portable power source... what's the betting it gets lost / stolen / broken before the end of the epsiode? :)


That happened with William Hartnell in the second ever story, "The Daleks". :)

Dave-ros
05-16-2006, 12:30 PM
That was a fluid link, foo' :tinyted:

However...

...since you already said there's a theory this alternate Earth will be sucked into our Universe and become Mondas, maybe it won't matter and the TARDIS will start working again? So no harm done, the circle is complete... but I would rather they'd just set it on Mondas, an Earth drawing away from the Sun and getting colder, and them working on ways to combat basically the opposite climate change that we're facing ;)

supermeerkat
05-20-2006, 02:55 PM
That was a very good episode: the cybermen were really scarey, and for a moment or so they made me feel like a kid again.


It's geeky I know but I expected the cyber controller to have black handles. But the exposed brain was cool though.

Scotty
05-20-2006, 07:28 PM
I just started watching the new Doctor Who a month or so ago. I've since done what most of the other non-UK users in this thread have done and used the internet to catch up.

So far my favorites have been "The Empty Child" / "The Doctor Dances" and "Bad Wolf" / "The Parting of the Ways" from 2005, and "School Reunion" from 2006.

I'll definitely be getting the boxed set when it comes out in July.

Mountain Man
05-20-2006, 09:46 PM
A solid two-parter overall. Not great, but largely enjoyable. Annoyingly enough, the torrent I downloaded had some alternate audio in the last ten minutes describing the on-screen action, presumably for the seeing impaired. It took a bit of the punch out of the climax, but thankfully it stopped for the final scenes, which were terrific.

I can't believe Mickey is gone! Next to the Doctor, he was my favorite character in this series. I really enjoyed how his character has developed this season, and it was nice to see him save the day for once. I guess it's fitting that he decided to stay behind, but it's still a bit heartbreaking.

Scotty
05-20-2006, 10:08 PM
Hopefully I won't run into that problem with "The Age of Steel" (I'm a few hours away from finding out)

Most of the episodes I've watched were put up weeks or months ago, making it more likely for a search to find a good one rather than a bad one.

Joe Siegler
05-20-2006, 11:07 PM
A solid two-parter overall. Not great, but largely enjoyable. Annoyingly enough, the torrent I downloaded had some alternate audio in the last ten minutes describing the on-screen action, presumably for the seeing impaired. It took a bit of the punch out of the climax, but thankfully it stopped for the final scenes, which were terrific.

Get the "repack" version. I ran into that, too.

Zztx
05-21-2006, 12:12 AM
Likely my only post on the Doctor Who thread:
A local PBS station, MPT, shows old Doctor Who re-runs every Saturday at midnight; now I don't watch them, but damn... the intro is cooool. :D

Joe Siegler
05-25-2006, 09:58 PM
There's apparently only two stations left in the entire US that still show the classic show at this point.

Dave-ros
05-26-2006, 03:27 AM
Is one of them BBC America? Don't you guys have digital TV yet, with even more channels? Over here they've had Doctor Who nights every night on BBC3! (Which I don't get as I don't have a digibox -- I refuse to get one because I'll end up watching even more TV! :insomnia:)

Joe Siegler
05-26-2006, 01:09 PM
No, it's not on BBCA. :(

Dave-ros
05-27-2006, 07:01 PM
I was cooking stuffed peppers with my housemate and missed all but the last ten minutes of tonight's episode, what happened? (Use spoilers, of course :tinyted:) I know it was London in 1955 (not to mention being near where I live at the moment -- when I worked in Hornsey I saw Alexandra Palace every morning!), and Maureen Lipman was talking through a TV (did she at any stage use the word "ology"? Will explain later :p), but other than that...

Mountain Man
05-28-2006, 01:48 AM
Hmmm...what happened in tonight's episode?
Basically, some alien criminal was executed but escaped as energy and wound up in 1950's London. This alien then invaded TV sets and sucked the energy out of people's brains leaving them without a face (don't try and figure it out; just accept it). Its goal was to use this energy to regain its corporeal form. It planned to unleash a large scale assault during the Coronation ceremony since that's when the most people would be watching television. Then the Doctor created a Betamax machine using 1950's technology and some how captured the alien by making a video recording of its energy.
Well, that's the story painted in broad strokes at any rate. It was actually an old school episode, which I rather liked.

supermeerkat
05-28-2006, 06:00 AM
Not a great episode, I thought. Bland and predictable.

Dave-ros
06-03-2006, 02:59 PM
Tonight, Doctor Who meets Event Horizon... I won't say any more than that in case I spoil anything, but suffice to say, I couldn't fully appreciate it as I'm at my folks' house on the south coast, and since summer finally arrived today, we've got the usual weird atmospheric situation that means TV signals from north France interfere with the Beeb! Bally Frogs, why can't they show some consideration :tinyted:

That does it, I'm getting a Freeview digibox as soon as I can!

Tang Lung
06-03-2006, 03:19 PM
I did actually watch tonights, the first one I've ever sat all the way through, and all the way through was thinking ''Why is Zoidberg in Event Horizon while they keep showing clips from the beggining of Alien?''.

supermeerkat
06-03-2006, 03:51 PM
Hmmm. I thought of Event Horizon after a few minutes of it starting. Very atmospheric and well acted.

Just finished watching it. That was brilliant!! And a great cliffhanger too!

supermeerkat
06-03-2006, 04:21 PM
Oh wow! Commentaries for Season 2 stories (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/sounds/). Downloadable as podcasts (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/sounds/commentaries.shtml).

Brilliant!

Mountain Man
06-03-2006, 09:53 PM
Hmmm. I thought of Event Horizon after a few minutes of it starting. Very atmospheric and well acted.

Just finished watching it. That was brilliant!! And a great cliffhanger too!
I agree. Probably one of the most visually compelling episodes of Doctor Who I've ever seen. The atmosphere and everything else was terrific, even if the story really didn't go anywhere for 45 minutes. Hopefully the Doctor will play a little more active role in next week's episode, because in tonight's, he really seemed pushed to the side while the rest of the characters actually moved the story forward, almost like the Doctor had a cameo role.

But all in all, it was a very good episode.

supermeerkat
06-04-2006, 05:35 AM
I found an interesting site this morning: Loose Canon are fan reconstructions of missing Doctor Who stories (http://www.recons.com/default.htm).


Many Doctor Who stories from the William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton eras are missing or destroyed. Loose Cannon Productions has attempted to recreate these missing episodes through use of telesnaps and other means.


It seems that you can send a video tape to a listed member, and he/she will copy onto into a story reconstruction for the copy of an SAE.

Reconstructions available are:

Marco Polo
The Reign of Terror
The Crusade
Galaxy 4
Mission to the Unknown
The Myth Makers
The Daleks' Master Plan
The Massacre
The Celestial Toymaker
The Savages
The Smugglers
The Tenth Planet
The Power of the Daleks
The Highlanders
The Underwater Menace
The Moonbase
Macra Terror
The Faceless Ones
The Abominable Snowmen
The Ice Warriors
The Enemy of the World
Fury from the Deep
The Invasion
The Space Pirates

This looks rather interesting, and I might have to give it a go.

Dave-ros
06-04-2006, 02:37 PM
If they only did them on DVD (which, let's face it, is a LOT easier to copy than video tape, and doesn't degrade with each copy), I'd be well in there... I saw The Power of the Daleks in this format back in 1997, and they'd even worked in the surviving clips of episodes! Although at that time they weren't able to get them in synch with the sound, I think they crossed that technological hurdle a couple of years later and made a better version...

Mountain Man
06-04-2006, 08:49 PM
I have a few of those. They used to also provide other Doctor Who programs until the BBC asked them to stop (I got a hold of several John Pertwee stories that way, including the classic Invasion of the Dinosaurs!).

Texetera
06-05-2006, 05:41 PM
Did anyone else notice that the doors in Saturdays episode used the same sound FX as the doors in DOOM?

cheeseboy
06-06-2006, 10:52 AM
Yes, but my house mates didn't believe me. At least now I know I'm not the only one who noticed the similarity. :)

Chimera
06-06-2006, 11:58 AM
Did anyone else notice that the doors in Saturdays episode used the same sound FX as the doors in DOOM?

yes! rather appropriate I thought :)

Joe Siegler
06-07-2006, 11:04 AM
If they only did them on DVD (which, let's face it, is a LOT easier to copy than video tape, and doesn't degrade with each copy), I'd be well in there... I saw The Power of the Daleks in this format back in 1997, and they'd even worked in the surviving clips of episodes! Although at that time they weren't able to get them in synch with the sound, I think they crossed that technological hurdle a couple of years later and made a better version...

I've known about the recons for a very long time. They're quite good. In particular Daleks' Masterplan. On several of these, they've gotten some actor from the show originally to record some intro or something. It's quite cool to hear people like Peter Purves talking aout the lost Galaxy 4 story. Some of the more advanced ones the recon guys have gone beyond simple still picutres. They've created art and sets and things - there's a Chumbly in the Galaxy 4 recon that the recon guys created for their project. Dalek Masterplan had a lot of that, too. It's interesting, right after they released their Masterplan recon, Episode 2 of that was recovered. These recons generally have the full epsiodes where they exist, except for DMP 2 - they said they were going to leave their recon the way it was.

I've asked about the "VHS only" issue - the reason it's not distributed on DVD or in digital format is because of copyright. What they're doing is technically illegal. Apparently they've been told that the BBC views it as not a big deal BECAUSE it's on VHS - considered a lower quality format now, and not worth the hassle. The thinking is that since it's distributed on a lower quality format, it won't be as widespread. However, that doesn't stop others from doing that; I've seen them all online somewhere.

Plus the recons people have stopped distributing recons that the BBC then ends up selling (Tenth Planet comes to mind).

Did anyone else notice that the doors in Saturdays episode used the same sound FX as the doors in DOOM?

That sound effect has been used in many places. It's from a standard industry effects audio CD. when Lee Jackson was here, he showed me where it came from.

Dave-ros
06-07-2006, 12:44 PM
Ah yes, I saw episode 4 of The Tenth Planet on the boxed set video -- apparently it's not the same one as the recon team made, and they still think theirs is better... but I could be mistaken about that :o

Pity about the VHS thing -- at least that explains it, even if I don't like it! Damn BBC, they're the ones who erased the tapes in the first place :tinyted:

And yes, I noticed the sound effect -- I've ranted about the same damn stock SFX being used everywhere in movies and TV and video games... God, I miss the BBC Radiophonic Workshop :(

supermeerkat
06-10-2006, 03:01 PM
Tonights episode was a bit of a let down after last week. It came across as generic sci-fi, not to mention a poor man's version of Alien / Aliens.



Did anyone else think that the Devil looked rather like the Balrog?

Dave-ros
06-10-2006, 04:34 PM
It was good, but once again resolved by TARDIS ex machina, if you know what I mean ;)

What was the list of planets etc. the Doctor mentioned could have been inspired or influenced by the monster? I caught Daemos, home planet of the Daemons (from, er, The Daemons :p), but did he mention Sutekh (from Pyramids of Mars) as well? Bear in mind he thought Sutekh had inspired the names Set, Satan etc.

supermeerkat
06-10-2006, 05:40 PM
Billie Piper is starting to get on my nerves, though. Tonight, when she was ordering people about, really made me cringe. Not enough of the Doctor, and too much of hamster face Rose.

Mountain Man
06-10-2006, 08:23 PM
Not a bad episode, really, but I agree, not enough of the Doctor. However, it was really David Tennet's performance towards the end that saved this episode for me. Without that, this episode would have been generic sci-fi 101.

Joe Siegler
06-12-2006, 12:00 PM
What was the list of planets etc. the Doctor mentioned could have been inspired or influenced by the monster? I caught Daemos, home planet of the Daemons (from, er, The Daemons :p), but did he mention Sutekh (from Pyramids of Mars) as well? Bear in mind he thought Sutekh had inspired the names Set, Satan etc.

He did mention the Draconians in there, and I could have sworn he said Kaled, but I'd have to rewatch to be sure. I'm not sure about Sutekh.

Yeah, part 2 of this was a letdown, as there was such a buildup after part 1. However, there were some fabulous bits in here. The aforementioned converations between the Doctor and ... uh.. (forgot name) the other one down by the pit were some great stuff. You also knew the Tardis showing up was going to happen, but how the hell did it get all the way down to where it was? Yeesh. That seemed like too much of a stretch.

I'm still irritated they offed the girl with the big boobs in Part 1. :)

Also the official site said that the bit where Tennant filmed "in front of the big screen" of the beast was the same place they filmed the big cave inside the ship in Christmas Invasion.

Joe Siegler
06-12-2006, 12:11 PM
Here's some text about this stuff from the Satan Pit page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satan_Pit) on Wikipedia:

When the Doctor abseils into the Pit, he lists some planets and races whose mythologies have horned demons, speculating that they are inspired by the Beast. Among the planets he mentions are Draconia (Frontier in Space) and Dæmos, planet of the horned Dæmon Azal (The Dæmons). In The Dæmons, the Doctor speculated that the Dæmons inspired the stories of demons in Earth mythology. The Doctor also makes reference to the Kaled god of war (The Daleks, Genesis of the Daleks). Davies stated in the Doctor Who Confidential episode "Religion and Myth" that they aimed to create a "Russian doll" effect, wrapping this episode around The Dæmons.

Dave-ros
06-12-2006, 01:21 PM
You also knew the Tardis showing up was going to happen, but how the hell did it get all the way down to where it was? Yeesh. That seemed like too much of a stretch. Remember the Hostile Action Displacement System (HADS) from The Krotons? Maybe he remembered to turn it on, after completely forgetting to do so in Frontios :p

Chimera
06-12-2006, 03:38 PM
Remember the Hostile Action Displacement System (HADS) from The Krotons? Maybe he remembered to turn it on, after completely forgetting to do so in Frontios :p

*cough* geek *cough* ;)

Dave-ros
06-12-2006, 04:09 PM
You say that like it's a bad thing :tinyted:

Anyway, you're one to talk -- you've got a Doctor Who monster as your avatar, whereas I have... oh, cobblers :doh: :p

Joe Siegler
06-12-2006, 04:49 PM
Remember the Hostile Action Displacement System (HADS) from The Krotons? Maybe he remembered to turn it on, after completely forgetting to do so in Frontios :p

Actually no - I didn't remember that. Been ages since I saw the Krotons.

Course in Frontios, the good 'ol coat rack survived the Tardis explosion. :D

Dave-ros
06-12-2006, 05:26 PM
It's been suggested that the hatstand is actually Kamelion... but that's even more geeky than I'm prepared to get :o

Joe Siegler
06-12-2006, 05:49 PM
It's been suggested that the hatstand is actually Kamelion... but that's even more geeky than I'm prepared to get :o

Too late, you made the remark, even if you didn't claim ownership.

Many times I've said "I've read somewhere", when I really should be saing "Hey, this is my theory, and I'm ashamed to admit I'm that much of a geek". :D

Dave-ros
06-12-2006, 06:30 PM
It's not my theory! :o I actually read it in an affectionate book called The (Dis)Continuity Guide, where the writers tried to explain the absence of Kamelion after the destruction of the TARDIS. Of course, the real reason for Kamelion's absence is the bloke who designed the robot died, and no-one at the BBC knew how to operate it -- otherwise he'd have appeared in more stories :(

Unfortunately I can't really comment on him as a companion as I don't remember The King's Demons, and Planet of Fire (his other appearance) hardly at all... and the latter more for Peri's scenes :o :eek:

Mountain Man
06-13-2006, 09:29 AM
And even before Kameleon's designer died, the damn thing broke down frequently during filming and was just a general pain in the ass to work with. It was a wonderful idea for a character but beyond the technical limitations of the program at that time.

Joe Siegler
06-13-2006, 10:47 AM
And even before Kameleon's designer died, the damn thing broke down frequently during filming and was just a general pain in the ass to work with. It was a wonderful idea for a character but beyond the technical limitations of the program at that time.

I agree completely. Course now it would be all CGI anyway, so the concept as executed back then is out of date anyway.

Joe Siegler
06-15-2006, 10:49 AM
Looks like the little bit of foreshadowing in "The Satan Pit" will come to fruition..

Billie Piper is apparently leaving at the end of this current series. Story on BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5082668.stm?ls)

Mountain Man
06-15-2006, 10:50 AM
Looks like the little bit of foreshadowing in "The Satan Pit" will come to fruition..

Billie Piper is apparently leaving at the end of this current series. Story on BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5082668.stm?ls)
:woot:

She's a wonderful actor, but her character has really started to become a drag on the series. Of course, it's not her fault. The writers just haven't done a very good job with advancing her character and making her sympathetic and likable. I know there are a lot of fans who will be happy when the Doctor finally scrapes her off his heel.

Though one thing does give me pause: Wasn't she contracted for Season 3 as well? So the question is, was that early rumor false, or was that early rumor true and this press release is just a red herring being tossed out by the BBC (the real surprise being that Rose will be "killed" at the end of Season 2 and "resurrected" for Season 3), or is she getting out of her contract early, or was her contract only for limited Season 3 appearances, similiar to the characters of Jackie and Mickey? I wonder which it is?

Joe Siegler
06-15-2006, 05:23 PM
Though one thing does give me pause: Wasn't she contracted for Season 3 as well? So the question is, was that early rumor false, or was that early rumor true and this press release is just a red herring being tossed out by the BBC (the real surprise being that Rose will be "killed" at the end of Season 2 and "resurrected" for Season 3), or is she getting out of her contract early, or was her contract only for limited Season 3 appearances, similiar to the characters of Jackie and Mickey? I wonder which it is?

Well, I don't believe the Season 3 Rose stuff was ever FORMALLY announced, I read that stuff too - looking back, it probably was just a lot of fan speculation. Now if you can find a link proving it, I'd have to rethink.

Plus this was partially foreshadowed in "The Satan Pit". Plus it's Sci-Fi. Never really "dead" (see Spock). So Rose joins the ranks of Katarina, Sara Kingdom, & Adric. :)

As for her actually going, I'm indifferent. In the past, comapnions generallky don't last more than a couple of series anyway, so this is fairly consistant with past doings. I would like two companions though, although with the "one episode" format, it could get too crowded and we'd get even LESS character development. Curious to see where they go with this.

They have played out the romantic side of things a lot with this Doctor. So death of a companion will play on his emotions - although the dead lover (yes, yes I know - I'm paraphrasing here, I know they weren't really lovers) thing was hit already in Girl in a Fireplace. What I'm wondering is who replaces her? Someone we've seen before? Lynda with a Y is gone, she would have worked. There's talk that Capt Jack is coming back in Series 3, but I can't imagine him being a permanent companion - especially a solo companion. Rare is the time there was one male companion, and that's it. This (hopefully) has the side benefit of doing away with Jackie apperances. That's the big benefit to me. Although I expect we get a story in Season 3 when he has to tell her Rose is dead.

Dave-ros
06-15-2006, 06:17 PM
Hmm, better use spoilers too :o

Literally the only times the Doctor had one male companion, it was the Second Doctor and Jamie, and by the end of the story (The Evil of the Daleks and The Wheel in Space) there was a new female companion anyway! Don't think there's ever been a time he's been without a female companion, other than The Deadly Assassin, when he didn't have any companions...

Scotty
06-15-2006, 11:33 PM
I wonder if the Doctor will tell Rose that she was the Bad Wolf before she leaves the show. As far as I can tell, she has little or no memory of that.

Also, as the Bad Wolf, we saw her atomize 4 Daleks and the Dalek flagship, though in actuality she wiped out all of them. I wonder if this means she brought back everyone on Satellite 5 and Earth, even though we only saw Captain Jack come back to life.

-Scotty

...though if she brought back Lynda, hopefully she brought back the glass and the air first... :)

Joe Siegler
06-15-2006, 11:42 PM
...though if she brought back Lynda, hopefully she brought back the glass and the air first... :)

Aw shit, I forgot about that. Assuming Rose revived everyone, we could still have Lynda. That would be cool - she seemed pretty universally well liked from fans that I read.

Joe Siegler
06-15-2006, 11:44 PM
In a seperate storyline from the stuff that's been spoilered..

I read where Sci-Fi picked up their option on Series 2 in the US, as they've been pleased with the ratings that Eccelston's Doctor has given them.

So that's good news. Christmas Invasion and Series 2 are supposed to air "sometime next year". Hopefully it ends up sooner than that.

Scotty
06-16-2006, 12:05 AM
Hopefully it will be a lot sooner.

It would be nice if Season 2 made its US broadcast run as soon as it finishes its broadcast run in the UK, so that the Season 2 DVD set could come out that much sooner, so that ppl like me that *ahem* already saw both seasons *wink* could get legit. :)

Joe Siegler
06-16-2006, 01:31 AM
Hmm.. The spoiler stuff might not totally be accurate..

From Outpost Gallifrey.. Rose might not be dying. We shall see.

Some news outlets are reporting the character might be killed off, although the BBC Wales press release suggests an air of mystery and does not state that Rose will be killed (taking Piper's comments that her trip "comes to an end" somewhat literally), although the release does ask the question, "Does saving the world mean the death of Rose Tyler?" (noting that "Billie Piper who has played Rose Tyler - the feisty young companion of the ninth and tenth doctors - will leave Doctor Who in a nail-biting series two finale"). The "death" report appears to originate in the Sun's early report today, being merely speculative. However, the production is being very strict about information regarding the finale; in fact, there may be no advance press screening of "Doomsday" to prevent the surprise from being released.

There are rumors elsewhere that this was a recent decision (including speculation on some fan sites that this was a dispute over money) although Outpost Gallifrey has been told that Piper's departure was planned as early as last autumn and that the script for "Doomsday" as originally written did contain the departure for the character (instead of a hasty rewrite that would have been needed if it had been a recent choice). A new co-star for David Tennant will likely be seen in the 2006 Christmas special.

Mountain Man
06-16-2006, 09:09 AM
Joe:

Well, I don't believe the Season 3 Rose stuff was ever FORMALLY announced, I read that stuff too - looking back, it probably was just a lot of fan speculation. Now if you can find a link proving it, I'd have to rethink.
It really doesn't get more official than an article on the BBC website:

Billie Piper . . . has also confirmed she is on board the Tardis for the third run of the return of the BBC's sci-fi hit.

Source: news.bbc.co.uk (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/4858010.stm)
So either that information was wrong, misleading, or something happened between the end of March (when the above article was posted) and this latest happening (disputes over money and shooting schedules certainly sound plausible, but I really don't know what Billie Piper is like as a person).

Dave-ros
06-16-2006, 01:03 PM
Bah, these spoilers are getting annoying -- and just encouraging people to look into them :p

The "news" that Billie Piper is leaving has been all over the papers and news here, so there must have been a recent press release... and I'm sure it's not just to keep out of the news England's terrible performance against Trinidad & Tobago in a match we apparently should have won much more decisively! :p

Mountain Man
06-17-2006, 10:12 PM
Strange episode tonight. A little too self-aware for my taste, and a little disappointing. It was the kind of episode that TV series usually do in later seasons when they want to do a send-up of themselves. Personally, I think the story works best ("best" being purely relative) if you just think of it as a wildly exaggerated telling of events from a certain character's point of view.

On a bright note, Rose was the most sympathetic and likable I've seen her in a while, even if she was only in the story for like two minutes.

Tang Lung
06-18-2006, 04:51 AM
I thought It was terrible personally. It was like watching Garth Merenghis Darkplace, but not as funny nor creative. It was an interesting idea though..it's just a shame they did it a forced humour way (I didn't find Peter Kay too good in it either).

Dave-ros
06-18-2006, 04:57 AM
I missed it because I was kicking a football around (badly) in the park, so I'll report after I see it on BBC3 or whatever tonight (so glad I have digital now!).

supermeerkat
06-18-2006, 06:20 AM
That was a terrible episode, yet again written by RTD.

I found this quote on Aintitcool.com, which perfectly sums RTD up for me:


RTD deserves infinite kudos for resurrecting Doctor Who. And by all accounts he's an excellent script- and story-editor. But for the love of all that's Holy will someone for f*ck's sake stop him writing the scripts himself. PLEASE!!!

Dave-ros
06-18-2006, 02:54 PM
Seen it now (though making dinner at the same time so not paying close attention) -- was there really a Scooby-Doo chase at the start?!? :doh:

Incidentally, Peter Kay's alien character was created by a 9-year-old Blue Peter watcher ;)

Scotty
06-18-2006, 03:58 PM
was there really a Scooby-Doo chase at the start?!? :doh:

Yes. :eek:

Mountain Man
06-18-2006, 07:28 PM
Incidentally, Peter Kay's alien character was created by a 9-year-old Blue Peter watcher ;)
Heck, the entire episode seemed like it was created by a 9-year old, but I'm sure that's purely coincidental. Like I said, this story works best if you think of it as a product of Elton's overactive imagination. The Caves of Androzani it ain't.

Joe Siegler
06-18-2006, 08:06 PM
This isn't the first time Blue Peter ran a contest to design a Dr Who monster, but the first time it made it to air. Did you watch the Dr Who Confidential that ran with this? Lots of detail on the kid and the original drawing.

This episode had a few moments (Jackie almost getting her end away is one), but overall, a VERY different slant. The Doctor & Rose had at most 5 minutes screen time, pretty much all at the front and at the end. The "Scooby Doo" thing rferenced here really isn't a "Scooby Doo" thing - that goes further back than that. Bugs Bunny used to use the same joke, and that was AGES before Scooby Doo. But it was still pretty funny here.

Mountain Man
06-18-2006, 08:21 PM
Bugs Bunny used to use the same joke, and that was AGES before Scooby Doo. But it was still pretty funny here.
And I wouldn't be surprised if its origins were even earlier than that, dating to early silent slapstick comedies.

Joe Siegler
06-19-2006, 02:39 AM
And I wouldn't be surprised if its origins were even earlier than that, dating to early silent slapstick comedies.

I agree completely, but Bugs Bunny was the earliest example I could think of off the top of my head (one that I could remember the bit from, that is).

Mountain Man
06-19-2006, 09:41 AM
I think the thing that bugs me the most is that this could have been a really great episode. Hearing about the Doctor's adventures through a third-hand source is a terrific idea, but in this case, the execution fell flat, mainly because this episode really wasn't about the Doctor at all. Someone at Outpost Gallifrey summed up this story as "Brilliant television; crap Doctor Who" which sounds about right.

And the girl's face in a concrete slab was definitely a :doh: moment.

Joe Siegler
06-19-2006, 12:25 PM
And the girl's face in a concrete slab was a definitely a :doh: moment.

What about the line about still having a love life? Uh, that's kind of out there for Doctor Who due to the implcations of what was said. :mryuck:

Dave-ros
06-19-2006, 12:47 PM
Especially when she said something like "Let's not go into that now", bearing in mind where he was holding her :o :mryuck:

All things considered, Peter Kay's alien-with-Northern-accent was about the best part of the episode...

Joe Siegler
06-19-2006, 05:28 PM
Peter Kay's alien really, and I mean REALLY REALLY felt like Fat Bastard's voice. I mean A LOT. All it was missing was "GET IN MAH BELLY!"

Dave-ros
06-19-2006, 05:35 PM
Not quite, that was a Scottish accent, and Peter Kay's not from that far north :p (though I wouldn't be surprised if he was at least giving a nod to the character!)

Mind you, to goddam forinurz :tinyted: I imagine people from the north of England sound like Scots... it's like how I probably couldn't tell apart someone from Texas and someone from Georgia, unless the former went "Yeee-haw!" and the latter went "Ah do declare!" ;)

Incidentally, when David Tennant speaks as himself he's got a strong Scots accent -- but do the Yanks out there think Chris Ecclestone sounded Scottish?

Mountain Man
06-19-2006, 05:41 PM
Didn't Tennant use his natural accent in Tooth and Claw when he was posing as Doctor James McKrimmon?

Joe Siegler
06-19-2006, 05:55 PM
Not quite, that was a Scottish accent, and Peter Kay's not from that far north (though I wouldn't be surprised if he was at least giving a nod to the character!)

It just struck me as Fat Bastard the whole way. I mean the mannerisms in that character were so Fat Bastardish it wasn't funny.

ShakeItBaby
06-20-2006, 02:57 AM
That last episode was atrocious. RTD needs a bullet in the brain.

And that overtly implied BJ reference with him having the face slab on his lap pointed at his crotch and then talking about a sex life, well that's the sort of thing to have Mary Whitehouse up in arms all over again. :mad: Appalling evidence of the RTD obsession with sex yet again, and definitely not for kids.

Although, I did see a post on AICN where someone astutely suggested it might be redeemable ONLY if it turned out that the concrete slab later evolved into The Face of Boe. Interesting potential there...

ShadeEX
06-20-2006, 07:43 AM
hmm don't hate me now.. but i don't think ive ever seen Dr. Who..

so im preatty curious.. and am going to look into getting it..

Joe Siegler
06-20-2006, 12:04 PM
For fans of the old school 60's stuff, you're definitely going to be intersted in this. It's a new slant on the concept of "reconstructions". I can't wait for this. It oughta be pretty darn good.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/news/cult/news/drwho/2006/06/20/33077.shtml

Mountain Man
06-20-2006, 12:27 PM
Wow, sounds great! I remember reading about this possibility years ago. Word at the time was that the BBC was in negotiations with Disney to use animation to recreate missing episodes, but that obviously fell through.

My only fear is that these reconstructions will look like cheap Saturday morning cartoons, which I don't think would do the stories justice at all. The preview clip in the link looked decent enough, but it was far to short to really be able to guage the quality of the animation.

Definitely something to keep an eye on!

Dave-ros
06-20-2006, 12:42 PM
That's certainly interesting -- wish they'd do it with The Power of the Daleks... although, for those who wish the telesnap reconstructions weren't just unofficial things on VHS, you can get that story on MP3-CD, with Flash animations showing the appropriate photos!

Edit: Cosgrove Hall are the company who animated Dangermouse, Count Duckula and the movie version of The BFG -- it'll be weird to see how far they've come since the late 1980s!

supermeerkat
06-21-2006, 07:31 AM
and Peter Kay's not from that far north

He's from Bolton,which is only 30 miles from Manchester.

Joe Siegler
06-21-2006, 10:57 AM
I read some more details on these animated versions of lost episodes, and it appears these people also did "Scream of the Shalka (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/webcasts/shalka/)" for the BBC's website.

supermeerkat
06-24-2006, 04:14 PM
Hmm. An interesting epsiode with a nice premise.


So, the Doctor is a father? Intriguing.

Dave-ros
06-24-2006, 04:37 PM
Pretty good tonight, though yet again on Earth :tinyted:


I've never read the New Adventure novel Human Nature, but I heard the (Seventh) Doctor becomes human, and falls in love... did he have kids in that?

Or maybe he's just referring to whichever of Susan's parents he sired :p


Next week looks interesting -- something Joe mentioned about the alternate Earth with the Cybermen on it seems to be coming true...

supermeerkat
06-24-2006, 05:07 PM
In the trailer, at the end of tonight's episode, the Doctor said something about "two realities merging". Presumably he meant the Cybermen reality and the "proper" reality. I also presume this will bring Mickey back to the "proper" reality.

Mountain Man
06-24-2006, 11:31 PM
So, the Doctor is a father? Intriguing.

Apparently so, seeing as he also had a grand daughter.

I really enjoyed tonights episode. It's nice to see Doctor Who back on form after last week's underwhelming diversion. I thought the story was a bit dull for the first half because the audience knew more than the Doctor and Rose, and we were just waiting for them to catch up with us, but once they did, that's when what we thought we knew got thrown for a loop, and it was a fun ride to the end!

I also love how the Doctor still managed to save the day despite being a child's drawing!

The next two episodes look especially interesting.

Joe Siegler
06-25-2006, 12:55 PM
Hmm. An interesting epsiode with a nice premise.


So, the Doctor is a father? Intriguing.


Well, if the original Doctor was the grandfather to Susan, then yeah - he would have to have been a father at some point. This is not a surprise at all.

As for "Fear Her".. My response is "Eh". Doesn't suck, not great. Just there. I have no real opinion either way.

I was more excited about the Dalek implication in the trailer for next week. :D

Dave-ros
06-25-2006, 01:20 PM
The what?!?!? I completely missed that, all I saw was Cybermen... and Rose implying she's going to fulfill the Devil's prediction...

Although Daleks vs. Cybermen is long overdue -- even I never did that in the comic strips I used to draw as a pre-teen... though I did have Daleks vs. Quarks :p

Mountain Man
06-25-2006, 07:11 PM
There's a brief shot of someone getting "exterminated" Dalek style in the teaser.

Joe Siegler
06-26-2006, 11:51 AM
There's a brief shot of someone getting "exterminated" Dalek style in the teaser.

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Shot comes from above, and right before that, there's more than one shot, so the implication is that Daleks are above, and shooting down at people.

Course it is just a teaser, this is guess work. But Daleks/Cybermen war on Earth has been rumoured since the start of the series. Never heard anything official though.

Although Daleks vs. Cybermen is long overdue -- even I never did that in the comic strips I used to draw as a pre-teen... though I did have Daleks vs. Quarks :p

Did you know the Quarks were an attempt to create something that would rival the Daleks' popularity? Same thing with the Mechanoids in "The Chase". Both were total failures. :)

The what?!?!? I completely missed that, all I saw was Cybermen... and Rose implying she's going to fulfill the Devil's prediction...

For shame. Someone with a Davros avatar not seeing Daleks. :) I present my evidence. The latter two are stronger than the former, but still. Looks like Daleks to me.

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7171/PDVD_267.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/1116/PDVD_268.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/394/PDVD_272.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/7240/PDVD_273.jpg

Dave-ros
06-26-2006, 12:48 PM
Ooh, could it be... :D Dunno how I missed that, unless I assumed it was Cyberships or something similar -- remember The Wheel in Space, when Cybermen killed by turning people negative, just like Daleks :p

Joe Siegler
06-26-2006, 12:52 PM
Ooh, could it be... :D Dunno how I missed that, unless I assumed it was Cyberships or something similar -- remember The Wheel in Space, when Cybermen killed by turning people negative, just like Daleks :p

Been several years since I've watched the Wheel in Space episodes. Forgot that. However, I would have to assume it's Daleks - if for no other reason than it's been rumoured they're appearing. Plus that fourth pic I posted really REALLY looks like the Dalek death beam graphic. A lot.

I also wonder if Capt Jack will be in this, because he is supposed to be "Rebuilding the Earth", and then he's supposed to be a regular in the Torchwood series, too.

ShakeItBaby
06-27-2006, 01:06 AM
Been several years since I've watched the Wheel in Space episodes. Forgot that. However, I would have to assume it's Daleks - if for no other reason than it's been rumoured they're appearing. Plus that fourth pic I posted really REALLY looks like the Dalek death beam graphic. A lot.

Agreed. It's too consistent with the extermination effect they've used in series one to be anything other than Daleks. I smell an ep12 Dalek appearance cliffhanger. Parallel world storyline, Cybermen getting through the rift (maybe it's also going to serve as a Cybermen origin story link to the old series - could this be an explanation for some sort of time-hopping or canon-bending reference to Mondas settlement?) Then it's: hmmmm I wonder which other species previously thought extinct might also still be around in that other universe, giving us an excuse to reintroduce them? Yes people! THE ABSORBALOFF MAKES ITS TRIUMPHANT RETURN! :D

But oh man, think how cool would it be if they brought Davros back as well. I'd sit tied to a chair with my eyelids taped open and forced to watch a 24 hour marathon of Slitheen episodes if it just earned us that! :D

The predictable Cybermen/Mickey finale twist was pretty much signposted way back in those first two crappy C3PO eps though, long before news started to leak out. It's the same season structure they did last season with the squids.

Mountain Man
06-27-2006, 02:17 PM
Did you know the Quarks were an attempt to create something that would rival the Daleks' popularity? Same thing with the Mechanoids in "The Chase". Both were total failures. :)
The Quarks were just silly. I don't remember the Mechanoids.

Of course, the Daleks are rather silly in their own right. As the story goes, the actress who played Susan laughed when she first saw the Dalek prop and said that it looked like a "pepperpot". However, she screamed wonderfully when the cameras rolled, and some people say that she's the only reason the Daleks were ever successful!

Joe Siegler
06-27-2006, 08:10 PM
This (http://www.shillpages.com/dw/story/d1/st--1r52.jpg) is a Mechanoid. Was from the Hartnell story "The Chase".

The first "scream" wasn't Susan. It was Barbara. Cliffhanger, Episode 1, "The Daleks".

ShakeItBaby
06-27-2006, 10:31 PM
Surely there was a scream in Unearthly Child?

Joe Siegler
06-28-2006, 12:25 AM
Surely there was a scream in Unearthly Child?

Yes, but this was talking about screaming at a Dalek.

As the story goes, the actress who played Susan laughed when she first saw the Dalek prop and said that it looked like a "pepperpot". However, she screamed wonderfully when the cameras rolled, and some people say that she's the only reason the Daleks were ever successful!

Dave-ros
06-28-2006, 03:43 AM
Yeah, but the first time the actual Daleks props appeared was episode 2, which was indeed a Susan (Carol Ann Ford) scream -- Barbara (Jacqueline Hill) was actually screaming at a man holding a Dalek sucker arm next to the camera, hence the way it wobbles!

I apologise for having no life :o :insomnia:

Joe Siegler
06-28-2006, 12:15 PM
Yeah, but the first time the actual Daleks props appeared was episode 2, which was indeed a Susan (Carol Ann Ford) scream -- Barbara (Jacqueline Hill) was actually screaming at a man holding a Dalek sucker arm next to the camera, hence the way it wobbles!

I apologise for having no life :o :insomnia:

Oh please. That's the reality of filming. Story wise she was screaming at a Dalek. Give me a break - that's taking it a bit TOO far to make your point. I'm right. :)

http://img287.imageshack.us/img287/4590/st1b201bg.jpg

Dave-ros
06-28-2006, 12:49 PM
Yeah, but the actress was screaming at a man holding a Dalek sucker arm -- the actress playing Susan was the first of the two women to meet the actual Dalek props on screen, and thus have something to react to properly. Though in the event it sounded more like a gasp than a scream :p

Interestingly, I looked at the entry on Wikipedia, and they say there was an alternate filming of episode 1 that was later "replaced" by the current version, and all that survives of it is the cliffhanger reprise in episode 2, where Barbara doesn't scream... so in a stupid way I'm right anyway! Resistance is useless!!!1 ;)

If only Doctor Who DVDs weren't so damned expensive (never much below £20 and almost never second-hand)... is the DVD version of this story cleaned-up digitally, or does it still have all the pops and crackles (and occasional film drop-outs) of the video release?

supermeerkat
06-29-2006, 12:10 PM
Well, if the original Doctor was the grandfather to Susan, then yeah - he would have to have been a father at some point. This is not a surprise at all.
[:D

For some reason, I've always thought that Susan wasn't the Doctor's granddaughter. I always interpreted her use of Grandfather as being a term of endearment.

Dave-ros
06-29-2006, 12:54 PM
If you've read Lungbarrow, you'll know it's a bit of both... the entire novel's online at the BBC website, see here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/ebooks/)!

Disclaimer: novels are non-canonical ;)

Joe Siegler
06-29-2006, 01:46 PM
For some reason, I've always thought that Susan wasn't the Doctor's granddaughter. I always interpreted her use of Grandfather as being a term of endearment.

There's a group of fans that believe that way - I've read the arguments. However, since the show didn't explicitly define the TRUE relationship, I always took it at face value. If the show ever decided to contradict that, then I'd have to revisit, but I take it as read, because there's no actual evidence to prove otherwise.

If you've read Lungbarrow, you'll know it's a bit of both... the entire novel's online at the BBC website, see here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/ebooks/)!

Disclaimer: novels are non-canonical ;)

Yeah, I read Lungbarrow years ago, and found it rather odd, and I was bored in the middle of it. If I ever find time, I should revisit it.

ShakeItBaby
06-29-2006, 11:41 PM
And for the title of biggest Who nerd, the fight between Joe and Dave-ros is ON! :D

Mountain Man
06-30-2006, 11:06 AM
The first "scream" wasn't Susan. It was Barbara. Cliffhanger, Episode 1, "The Daleks".
I never disputed that. I just noted in passing that "legend has it" that it was primarily Carol Ann Ford's performance that really sold the Daleks as the terrors of the universe, which is ironic seeing as her initial reaction was to laugh at them.

Joe Siegler
06-30-2006, 11:16 AM
I never disputed that. I just noted in passing that "legend has it" that it was primarily Carol Ann Ford's performance that really sold the Daleks as the terrors of the universe, which is ironic seeing as her initial reaction was to laugh at them.

I've heard that story too. But I was talking about "in story", not behind the scenes.

supermeerkat
06-30-2006, 12:58 PM
If you've read Lungbarrow, you'll know it's a bit of both... the entire novel's online at the BBC website, see here (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/ebooks/)!

Disclaimer: novels are non-canonical ;)

This has the be the least accurate representation of Hartnell and McCoy that I have ever seen.

Dave-ros
06-30-2006, 02:35 PM
And for the title of biggest Who nerd, the fight between Joe and Dave-ros is ON! :D
:ted:
It's Joe, I reckon -- all my Doctor Who videos (mostly Pertwee) are back at home, and I own literally two of the DVDs (as I said, they're always expensive here, and everyone's too selfish to sell them on :tinyted:). It's just that I remember stuff, and I have some of the reference books here with me... I'm more a nerd of all trades :p

Having said that, on the topic of comic strips I did when I was younger: during my second undergrad year I spent a great deal of time which would have better been spent learning Geology, drawing a comic strip about the creation of the Special Weapons Dalek, called "The Abomination" -- anyone who's read the novelisation of Remembrance of the Daleks will know why ;)

Dave-ros
07-01-2006, 01:59 PM
Phew, England's inevitable World Cup defeat (which happened even though I wasn't watching, for a change!) hasn't delayed Doctor Who, at least... though since I was planning on cooking dinner with one of my housemates, who was watching the match to the end, I'll either have to miss Doctor Who or be hungry for the next 45 minutes! (No I can't record it, I don't know how to link my Freeview digibox to my VCR!)

Edit: c'mon, don't tell me everyone else in England is so overcome with grief that they couldn't watch Doctor Who because of the tears :p

Interesting episode -- things to note:


Torchwood is apparently devoted to not simply investigating alien events, but ripping off the technology to rebuild the British Empire! :eek: I'll be interested to see if this is still true in the real series, or if it's just that it's been taken over by power-hungry nationalists, and they'll be destroyed in episode 2 and a "nice" Torchwood will be born in time for the series...
The Daleks are indeed back, and next week will be shrugging off Cyberman laser fire and transporting the "Genesis Ark", which one can only conclude is a way of rebuilding their species...
Mickey's also back :p
In the pre-title sequence, Rose looks ultra-skanky -- hoop-shaped earrings and eating chips on the bus, Chav City!!!! :mryuck: As is pointed out, she's changed considerably during her journeys with the Doctor...

supermeerkat
07-01-2006, 05:55 PM
That was a good episode - it built the tension very well, and is on par with "The Impossible Planet" and the one with that french bird(!) as being one of this season's best episodes.

Also, RTD writes good episode shock! I thought he couldn't do that, after watching his previous attempts this series.

supermeerkat
07-01-2006, 05:57 PM
Dave-ros - as for the footie: it was an inevitability. Inconsistant play, failure to gel as a team, over reliance one several players etc. etc. In short the usual reasons for England failing to win.

Mountain Man
07-01-2006, 11:12 PM
Wow. Great episode! Hopefully RTD can follow up that great build-up with a killer finish.

I absolutely loved the return of Mickey Smith! He's one of my favorite characters in this series, but now he's confident and bad ass, which just makes him that much cooler.

"We figured out how to get from that universe to this one."
"But the Doctor said that was impossible."
"Wouldn't be the first time he was wrong."

Mickey the Idiot showing up the Doctor. Great stuff!

And how cool was this planet?

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7128/aog019gi.th.jpg (http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=aog019gi.jpg)

the one with that french bird(!)
Madame de Pompadour! :love:

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/651/screenshot2no.th.png (http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2no.png)

I understand that the actress is the wife of David Tennant. Could explain why the two characters had such great onscreen chemistry.

Joe Siegler
07-02-2006, 12:16 AM
Uh, this is the same production team that put out a couple of weak episodes right before this, right?

You know, I knew the Daleks were in this episode beforehand. But I was so wrapped up in what was going on with the Cybermen that I had forgotten it - even when the void ship was sitting there, opening, I didn't think it. I actually got sucked in by the events of the episode, watching the CYbermen / ghost stuff - that I was totally surprised by the apperance of the Daleks, and I KNEW they were coming. Mark of a great story.

Reappaerance of Mickey was great.

Nice cleavage on the lead woman at Torchwood. :D

Nice failure of the psychic paper.

The Doctor's reaction to being kissed by Jackie.

Showing my age, but I kept thinking the void ship looked like the big round spaceship from the movie Heavy Metal.

The Cybermen appearing all over the world was great. Really great stuff. Loved it.

Can't wait to see how they get out of this.

Spoiler #2 - Read after looking at first one.

A BLACK F'IN DALEK! YES!

Scotty
07-02-2006, 04:19 AM
I liked the similarity between...The stratagem must advance!The program will recommence...

ShakeItBaby
07-03-2006, 12:10 AM
Prediction:

Rose will regenerate.

Evidence:

1. "You've changed, you're not the same Rose" foreshadowing conversation with mother.
2. "This is the story of how I died." Dead narrator? That would be shabby writing, it's a regen speaking in that frame story intro for sure. She'll "die" and be reborn into Actress #2.
3. Bad Wolf vortex thing from last season sets up the "excuse" for a regen. In the old series, I seem to recall the Master extended his cycle in a similar fashion, correct me if I'm wrong.
4. And if not via the vortex, then remember that clunky "ten years of my life" nonsense from the first cybermen ep where the Doctor recharges the Tardis crystal? That could also have the stench of a setup for the Doctor pulling out some deus ex machina to help Rose regenerate.
5. Not evidence as such, but there's too many loose ends. The producers aren't going to cut them all short. So it's gonna be more sickly Rose/Doctor longing looks, more Mickey and Jackie extended cast regulars, and more character development, just not with Piper.


See you in a week when I'm right... :D

Tang Lung
07-03-2006, 07:46 AM
Some of you American folk may not have noticed, but a larger portion (at least I think larger) of the guest cast in that last episode was from the british soap opera Eastenders..which is strange, because Mr Davies seems to insist on having characters from London council estates, which is where Eastenders revolves around.

I loved the look of that 'Ark ?' Dalek in the trailer. Very creative looking.

Mountain Man
07-03-2006, 11:09 AM
Prediction:

Rose will regenerate.
I really hope not. If RTD pulls something like that, he may as well go ahead and insert a shot of Fonzie waterski jumping over a shark. :rolleyes:

Evidence:

2. "This is the story of how I died." Dead narrator? That would be shabby writing, it's a regen speaking in that frame story intro for sure. She'll "die" and be reborn into Actress #2.
My thought is that it's a metaphorical death, in that perhaps Rose will lose everything she holds dear and just can't stomach traveling with the Doctor any longer.

See you in a week when I'm right... :D
We can only hope you're wrong.

Dave-ros
07-03-2006, 12:56 PM
Something else to add to Tang Lung: for the Yanks out there, that bit of the barlady shouting at a ghost was our long-running soap opera EastEnders -- that was Peggy, current owner of the pub known as the Queen Vic ("Gerrout a' my pub, yer BARRED!") shouting at the supposed ghost of "Dirty" Den Watts, an evil character who died last year (after having died previously back in about 1986 :p). Interestingly enough, Den was played by Leslie Grantham, whose first big TV appearance was................... in Resurrection of the Daleks, fixing Davros's wheelchair and getting mind-controlled by him :hhg:

(Aside: Peggy's played by Barbara Windsor, who was the "ooh, saucy!" blonde in the old Carry On movies, if you know them!)

Tang Lung
07-03-2006, 02:35 PM
Was that actually supposed to be Dirty Den? haha I never realised.

Dave-ros
07-03-2006, 02:55 PM
Behold:
http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/8489/davrosdirtyden1dy.jpg
(Please note: fair use of a copyright work :p)

The guy in the background is the late Maurice Colbourne, who went on to star in Howard's Way, a show I only remember for the theme tune ;)

Chimera
07-03-2006, 03:23 PM
Something else to add to Tang Lung: for the Yanks out there, that bit of the barlady shouting at a ghost was our long-running soap opera EastEnders -- that was Peggy, current owner of the pub known as the Queen Vic ("Gerrout a' my pub, yer BARRED!") shouting at the supposed ghost of "Dirty" Den Watts, an evil character who died last year (after having died previously back in about 1986 :p).

Too add to that, it was Tracy Ann Obermann's (Yvonne Hartman) character Chrissie that offed Den in Eastenders :D

Mountain Man
07-03-2006, 03:31 PM
I figured that was East Enders seeing as that's probably the most popular soap opera in England (at least that's the impression I get). It used to air on PBS when I was in high-school, but I never really cared to watch it.