View Full Version : 500 GB hard drive, anyone?
Check it out guys. I could certainly use one of these (http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,120102,00.asp).
Here's another one which is twice (http://www.bizrate.com/marketplace/product_info/overview/index__cat_id--410,prod_id--133503818.html) as big. That's 1 TB of external storage for about $1000 US.
However, you can get 4x 250 GB SATA NCQ drives for $800 Canadian.
I think I'm going to wait a bit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Bludd
03-30-2005, 08:09 PM
It's cool. That 1 TB thing is a "transparent" RAID-0 array. I wonder what happens if there's a problem with the drives that are part of the array? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Phayzon
03-30-2005, 08:17 PM
$800 Canadian is just about $1000 US :P
You "could" put 4 of those in a RAID 0 array, but if one goes down, all go down. My main system has RAID 0, but I've got a backup drive in case the array fails.
I'd use about 1.25 TB for my DVD collection to put onto my hard drive and play it from there. No more scratched discs. Get a cheap system, and install Linux for a file server. I could put my old Radeon 9000 Pro in there, or a cheap PCI-e card.
I haven't been watching the stock markets lately, so I had no idea what $1000 US was. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
Bludd
03-30-2005, 08:26 PM
If you'd go to LaCie's homepage and read about those Bigger Disk thingies, you would see that they are already RAID-0. That means that there's more than one disk inside the box. My question was about what to do if one of the disks inside the box goes poof.
Phait
03-30-2005, 08:45 PM
I think such capacities might be best suited towards heavy multimedia developers, but personally I have no desire gettnig anything bigger than 40 GB.
Honest.
You could fit your entire DVD collection onto one of those and play it off the hard drive. No more scratched DVDs. That is, if you're living in Canada it's perfectly legal, AFAIK. If you're not into those sort of things, then it's a waste, but for me, I'd say I should look into one of these down the road. Either 4x 250 GB hard drives or one of those TB bad boys. Non-RAID config. I'm just reading files, not writing them as well.
AlienAssKicker
03-30-2005, 10:08 PM
Ah, perfect! I only have about 10GB left in my 250GB Hard Drive and a mere 824MB left in my 80GB HD. This comes in right on time.
Enragiated
03-31-2005, 12:50 AM
I've got 2 40 gb hard drives, I keep all my media on one drive , and all my windows applications and games on the other. Works out pretty good
I've got 2x36 GB WD Raptor hard drives in RAID 0 for Windows and programs (69 GB total space. Blazing fast!). My third hard drive, a Seagate 120 GB hard drive is used for backups and my PVR. That's in my Athlon 64 system. My old HP is unbootable, and needs to be thrown out or something. It's got 80 GB of total space.
biXen
03-31-2005, 04:49 AM
Would be nice to have two of those Raptors for the OS and swap files certainly. But can't be arsed to fork out that. I have about 480GB of space now anyway, not much left. Need to burn out a lot of stuff to DVD-R now http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
And it would be nice for me to have all that space that you have. I'm not trying to make a trade here, but I really could use that amount of space. Trouble is, my tower only has 4 hard drive bays, so I've only got room for another big drive. Can't put 4x 250 GB like I wanted to. Probably will have to buy a cheap system down the road to fit them in. Maybe get one of those big towers, not the mid-tower case like I've got now (4x 5.25" bays, 2x 3.5" floppies, 4x 3.5" hard drives).
AlienAssKicker said:
Ah, perfect! I only have about 10GB left in my 250GB Hard Drive and a mere 824MB left in my 80GB HD. This comes in right on time.
What the hell do you download? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
There was this guy who was going to sell that big 1 TB hard drive full of porn. I wonder how many hits he got on his website when everyone heard the news?
jeffbthomson said:
There was this guy who was going to sell that big 1 TB hard drive full of porn. I wonder how many hits he got on his website when everyone heard the news?
Did he sell it? Got linkage? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
My dad's gonna buy a new computer, he likes to make DVDs, so he'll probably buy around a 1TB HD.
One of my friends has a 1.4TB, sweeeeeet. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
TerminX
03-31-2005, 03:39 PM
Ivan said:
One of my friends has a 1.4TB, sweeeeeet. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
Damn, that's almost as much space as I have. Scary. On topic, I wouldn't want one of these 500 gig drives -- just think about how shitty it would be if it died and you lost 500 gigs of crap in one blow? Ouch. Would definitely give me that "oh shit" feeling, like in MechWarrior 2 when the computer said things like "critical hit: torso" right before you bit it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
TerminX said:
Ivan said:
One of my friends has a 1.4TB, sweeeeeet. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
Damn, that's almost as much space as I have. Scary.
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif How much do you use? And why do you have such a big HD? What are you using it for?
It's not actually only my friend's but to his dad too. He is a producer in Hollywood.
Phayzon
03-31-2005, 05:02 PM
TerminX said:
Ivan said:
One of my friends has a 1.4TB, sweeeeeet. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
Damn, that's almost as much space as I have. Scary. On topic, I wouldn't want one of these 500 gig drives -- just think about how shitty it would be if it died and you lost 500 gigs of crap in one blow? Ouch. Would definitely give me that "oh shit" feeling, like in MechWarrior 2 when the computer said things like "critical hit: torso" right before you bit it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Off Topic: MW2 rux0rs!
On Topic: That would suck havin 500gb of shtuff.
Back Off agian: "Critical Hit: Hard Drive. All Information: Lost" OH NOES!!
Phait
03-31-2005, 05:10 PM
jeffbthomson said:
There was this guy who was going to sell that big 1 TB hard drive full of porn. I wonder how many hits he got on his website when everyone heard the news?
It was probably one HUMONGOUS image that just said "porn".
Even cooler would be to do it like a mosaic of porn that said "Porn".
TerminX
03-31-2005, 05:20 PM
Phayzon said:
TerminX said:
Ivan said:
One of my friends has a 1.4TB, sweeeeeet. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
Damn, that's almost as much space as I have. Scary. On topic, I wouldn't want one of these 500 gig drives -- just think about how shitty it would be if it died and you lost 500 gigs of crap in one blow? Ouch. Would definitely give me that "oh shit" feeling, like in MechWarrior 2 when the computer said things like "critical hit: torso" right before you bit it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Off Topic: MW2 rux0rs!
On Topic: That would suck havin 500gb of shtuff.
Back Off agian: "Critical Hit: Hard Drive. All Information: Lost" OH NOES!!
I had that happen once with a 250 gig drive. Overnight, two hundred and fifty gigs of TV shows, GONE. There was quite a bit of anger involved in my reaction when I got up the next day and saw what had happened. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I guess it would suck if it died, but that's where a 5 year warranty froom Seagate comes in for the 250 GB drives. But the data would be lost. If you had 10 dual layer Blue Ray RW discs, you could back those up. Gotta wait until 2006 or 2007 for those.
biXen
03-31-2005, 05:38 PM
It's sad to think about how useless all my space would be without bittorrent or emule.
I mostly use it for series I either can't get on DVD or that I'm getting on DVD, for pr0n and for movies I either have on DVD or are getting on DVD or not getting on DVD http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
But also a lot for designs, games, 3d stuff, and so on. And I have a Windows installation on all HDs. Basically because when I install it I plug out the other drives, and if it crashes I just swap boot order and install XP on another of the drives, voila easy to repair windows http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Phayzon
03-31-2005, 07:44 PM
TerminX said:
I had that happen once with a 250 gig drive. Overnight, two hundred and fifty gigs of TV shows, GONE. There was quite a bit of anger involved in my reaction when I got up the next day and saw what had happened. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Ive had a hard drive launch a chunk of itself at me before. I was working on putting a computer together with old parts, and an 8GB Hard Drive (Considered big at the time) touched something else inside and shorted out and a piece of it flew out!
8IronBob
03-31-2005, 09:06 PM
Heh, why not? I could back up my hard drive from an old NEC PC that I had back during the Windows 98 days onto a DL DVD+R/RW. I mean, that was only an 8 GB HDD, and that whole hard drive, right onto one DL DVD, and destroy the NEC HDD, that's simple. I never really liked that PC, it was fun, but it was time to move on to the Compaq, that was great, but it was too hard to make that worthwhile, so I got this, obviously. 250 GB is quite a lot, if I could find one or two more of those HDDs, not sure where to locate the HDD manufacturer, but it would be nice to have a RAID set up to get me to 500 GB or up to 1 TB, not too sure how much room this tower has for that, tho. THAT may be a problem!
AlienAssKicker
03-31-2005, 09:55 PM
John said:
AlienAssKicker said:
Ah, perfect! I only have about 10GB left in my 250GB Hard Drive and a mere 824MB left in my 80GB HD. This comes in right on time.
What the hell do you download? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
The internet http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Actually, I think i'll just format everything and restart from scratch. I don't mind losing data, it's all recoverable. I only backup stuff like personal pictures and such.
If your RAID array fails, then you lose all your data. Even pictures, porn, or whatnot. Everything. That's why a 3rd hard drive comes in handy. Observe my pic here. I've got 2x 10,000 RPM hard drives in RAID 0 (recognized as 1 big one), and a backup.
DudeMiester
03-31-2005, 10:55 PM
AlienAssKicker said:
John said:
AlienAssKicker said:
Ah, perfect! I only have about 10GB left in my 250GB Hard Drive and a mere 824MB left in my 80GB HD. This comes in right on time.
What the hell do you download? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
The internet http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Did you beat the final boss at the end? He was pretty tough.
AlienAssKicker
03-31-2005, 11:07 PM
DudeMiester said:
AlienAssKicker said:
John said:
AlienAssKicker said:
Ah, perfect! I only have about 10GB left in my 250GB Hard Drive and a mere 824MB left in my 80GB HD. This comes in right on time.
What the hell do you download? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
The internet http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Did you beat the final boss at the end? He was pretty tough.
Yeah, that giant spider was really hard to beat!
biXen
04-01-2005, 02:29 AM
jeffbthomson said:
If your RAID array fails, then you lose all your data. Even pictures, porn, or whatnot. Everything. That's why a 3rd hard drive comes in handy. Observe my pic here. I've got 2x 10,000 RPM hard drives in RAID 0 (recognized as 1 big one), and a backup.
If your RAID 0 array fails you lose all your data, if a rebuild doesn't fix it.
Now a RAID 1 or 5 or many of the other types that's not true. Just fixing the lack of 0 you had there http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Phait
04-01-2005, 02:33 AM
I was reading up on RAID, and there was far too much to read but heres what I understand:
RAID 0:
Benefit: I/O performance
Drawback: lose 1 drive, lose everything
RAID 1:
Benefit: realtime(?) file repair/backup (1 drive mirrors the other)
Drawback: no gain on I/O performance
Am I right?
biXen
04-01-2005, 03:14 AM
You are, the 3 most used by fairly common setups or users are 0, 1 and 5. My SATA have one of the sub types that works with only one drive. Since mobo doesn't have native SATA they use this 1+0 or 0+1 RAID for one drive, can never remember which it is. 0+1 most likely.
RAID 0 as you say is basically for performance. What it does is writing every other bit to at the same time to every drive in the array, instead of writing a bit to a harddrive, waiting, then writing another bit to the harddrive. Basically. If you go into details it may not look completely right, but that's an easy way to put it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif This of course speeds up things, now beware, it's not the same bit it writes to two or more drives, it's different ones, hence speed. The size of a RAID 0 array is smallest drive in the array multiplied by the number of drives in the array. So if you have two 120GB HDs and one 80GB drive you'd get 80x3 GB of space. Which would be stupid, so normally people use same type of HD and same sizes.
RAID 1 however. Is a mirror. If you have 2 drives it will write each bit to both of them. So if one of them crashes, the array will still be functional, since all the bits are also on the other one. You can then run the system, preferably in a relaxed environment until you get another drive in there and then rebuild the array. Size of the array is smallest drive multiplied by number of drives then divided by 2. As in if you have 4 200GB drives, you get 400GB array.
RAID 5 is what we most often use for our webservers. It is used for both performance and reliability. Smallest amount of drives is 3. What it does is basically this: It writes bits kinda like RAID 0 does, but it makes a parity bit (if I recall correctly) on the third drive, which is an errorsafe bit per se. It's a bit hard to explain without being techy, but it basically is a mix of mirroring and striping (RAID 0). If you lose one drive, it runs with reduced performance, slower than a normal HD would be one might say. If two drives go you are in deep shit usually http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'd also say a quick rebuild and recovery is more urgent on RAID 5 than RAID 1, especially in environments where data changes a lot.
Conclusion, I don't think using RAID 1 is anything you'd do for a personal computer. You don't have that much that is actually vital, and you are more likely to put it do DVD-R or something. RAID 0 can be quite sexy, but I'd use it only for OS, swap and things like that nowadays, things I can easily Ghost back or do similar things with.
If there's any errors here I'm sure someone else can point them out, but I tried to make a visual way of explaining http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
LiquiD
04-01-2005, 08:35 AM
Pretty good explanation, and your a smart man for using ghost! I remember I told terminx I used to ghost back to win98 when I wanted to play my old dos games, and he hated it! Its so funny how if something works for one person it doesn't work for another and then people start "debating". Anyway I have a RAID setup here (Striping) and its definately worth doing, I don't know what idiots put all their data on a 500gb drive and don't keep it backed up on DVD's or something. If I was to get a 500gb drive, I'd definately get another one and Mirror the other drive. Its just too much data to lose!
Anyway I haven't been here in ages and I just wanna say HI! And Happy easter guys! I usually come here just to check out the latest DNF news but the game seems to take "forever".
I read all the posts but I dont really have time to post anymore so anyways take care guys... I'll be reading!
biXen said:
but I'd use it only for OS, swap and things like that nowadays, things I can easily Ghost back or do similar things with.
So where would your programs go? I've got everything on the Raptor drives, and my backups & documents on the Seagate. Am I doing this right, or should my programs go on the Seagate backup drive, and Windows & the swap file go on the Raptor?
I'd want to get the best performance out of this RAID array.
DudeMiester
04-01-2005, 10:08 PM
imho it's fine the way you've got it set up. Anything you can't simply re-install or download again you back up. Not much point is doing that for anything else.
Airtraffic
04-02-2005, 02:41 AM
jeffbthomson said:
biXen said:
but I'd use it only for OS, swap and things like that nowadays, things I can easily Ghost back or do similar things with.
So where would your programs go? I've got everything on the Raptor drives, and my backups & documents on the Seagate. Am I doing this right, or should my programs go on the Seagate backup drive, and Windows & the swap file go on the Raptor?
I'd want to get the best performance out of this RAID array.
You have it right,i have allmost the exact setup as you do,37 gig raptor for windows (C: drive) and two 80 gig seagates (D: and E:) all running SATA
I install programs in C: but save most of the .exe's for the programs in E: because if you have a windows crash or need to reformat it won't matter where you have the programs installed, because of registry problems almost all programs will need to be re-installed anyway,but all your needed docs/porn..whatever should be saved on a drive seperate from windows where there safe.
biXen
04-02-2005, 10:25 AM
I'd personally put Photoshop, 3DSMAX or anything else I use heavily for heavy stuff on C with Raptors, then put everything else on other drives. So your setup is prolly good enough.
DudeMiester
04-02-2005, 02:51 PM
What's the point though. If the RAID 0 goes, then you have to reinstall all your programs anyways. It's silly not to put them on the RAID 0 because of that reason.
biXen
04-02-2005, 03:43 PM
The reason is that you could have a smallest possible bunch of things there, so you can easily back it up and restore it if something does happen. Besides, putting programs there is bad because installing programs clog things up, and if you do reinstall you'll notice lots of programs you didn't really need. Now you can preserve the important stuff in a backup, and keep other programs somewhere deletable http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
The most heavily used game on there is Savage: The Battle for Newerth, which I play every day. I do play Half Life 2 and UT2004, but not as often as Savage. Those 2 big programs eat up almost 8 GB of space. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
Savage is about 512 MB. Loading times for levels were really fast when I first installed Windows and Savage, but now since Half Life 2 and UT2004 are on there, they've slowed down. Maybe not. The other programs, such as AVG Anti-Virus completes a scan in under 9 minutes for all my hard drives (180,000 files).
Anyways, I'm kind of getting off track with the thread.
Destroyer
04-04-2005, 11:24 PM
thats useless, I've never filled up my 30gig. the most I ever used was 20.
NetNessie
04-05-2005, 03:16 AM
Destroyer said:
thats useless, I've never filled up my 30gig. the most I ever used was 20.
Then you just arent using the internet correctly. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It's funny because it's true.
Seriously, if you live in Canada, you can backup your DVD collection for personal use. I've got roughly 200 DVDs, and at 4.7 GB per disc (compressed from 8.5 GB), that's nearly a terabyte of data, if I ever wanted to put them on a hard drive instead of running them from a disc. The quality is excellent. The backup process also eats up a lot of disc space, because you have to encode/decode the DVD, then rip it onto a DVD+R. I could get a DVD+R DL for $6 right now, but it's a no name brand, so I don't know how good it is. The discs I used to make my collection were Ritek and Imation. Both I've never heard of, and I've tested a few out, and they work great.
Destroyer
04-18-2005, 02:14 AM
NetNessie said:
Destroyer said:
thats useless, I've never filled up my 30gig. the most I ever used was 20.
Then you just arent using the internet correctly. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
well no i just delete stuff right away. I dont save any crap. I only install like 2 games at a time.
Joe Siegler
04-25-2005, 11:23 AM
Last month I bought a 300Gb drive for $159 after rebates.
I read somewhere recently that they expect terabyte drives to be common not too far from now. 500Gb does not surprise me in the least.
Phait
01-13-2008, 02:47 PM
1TB perpendicular drive $275 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148274
peoplessi
01-13-2008, 03:29 PM
New thread perhaps? ;)
Jiminator
01-13-2008, 03:50 PM
good drive, I think this is the one that beats the raptor in some areas.
8IronBob
01-13-2008, 04:09 PM
Got my 500GB Seagate on sale from Best Buy for $100, thus the one that I put into my rig, when I built it.
Steve
01-13-2008, 04:20 PM
I'd need about four 500gb hard drives for my media centre :o
Bludd
01-13-2008, 04:43 PM
I just ordered a 750GB drive which they were having a special on.
Scotty
01-14-2008, 08:39 AM
I've had a pair of 500 GB drives for the last year or two
I picked up a pair of 750 GB external drives for backups a few weeks ago.
IwantMORE
01-14-2008, 10:58 AM
Just got another 500G drive, I wanted a 1Tb but they were over twice the price so I went fot my 2nd 500G drive. Which will mainly be used for archiving all my smaller drives.
8IronBob
01-18-2008, 03:59 PM
Yeah, I see myself getting a second 500GB HDD to install Vista on, since my initial 500GB has Win XP on it. I just feel that two separate HDDs would be far easier than partitioning one. Makes for far more room to grow.
Jiminator
01-19-2008, 11:00 PM
I picked up a WD 500 from bestbuy for $89. They usually sell for $175, (which is a stupid price, but I imagine the clueless pay it) but they pricematched a frys ad (which is a much farther distance). I was debating getting two to use for raid, but I realized there was no guarantee that they both would work when I upgrade my motherboard...
Superczar
01-20-2008, 03:40 AM
Damn, a 500 for $89? :eek:
My d*** feels pretty small with my measly 250gb drives... :o :D
Malgon
01-20-2008, 06:57 AM
^Haha! :D
8IronBob
01-20-2008, 08:06 AM
Yeah, that's $10 cheaper than my Seagate... Well, at least Newegg has a WD Caviar for around that $99 price tag, too, like the Seagate at Best Buy was a few months back.
EDIT: If there's one thing that's bothering me, tho. I'm wondering if a successful RAID setup would have to involve two of the same brand of HDD, as well as the same size. I haven't figured that out. I mean, just as long as you have two of the same size, brand non-specific, and the same RPM speed, and same cache, etc... RAID should take effect, am I not correct? Like, if I mixed a Seagate SATA/300 500GB HDD with a WD Caviar 500GB of the same specs, do you think that would give me the same results as 2 x SATA/300 500GBs, or 2 x WD Caviars?
peoplessi
01-20-2008, 09:11 AM
You have to configure the raid, it doesn't come as automation. Also, the integrated RAID setups on mobos suck hard.
Jiminator
01-20-2008, 09:15 AM
you can raid anything you want, you just need to set it up in the bios. The size will be based on the smaller drive. the drive with the slower seek time will delay the faster drive.
8IronBob
01-20-2008, 10:50 AM
Ahh whew... I almost thought that RAID for hard drives had to follow the same rules as graphics cards with SLI/Crossfire. Thanks for that info. Now I guess I don't have to have two of the same drive. Thanks.
8IronBob
01-20-2008, 01:36 PM
Now that I'm looking, there's two different WD Caviar models that are, like, $5 apart from each other. There's the WD5000AAJS and then there's the WD5000AAKS. Anyone know what the difference between the two are? That's a fairly confusing difference here, just need to know which would be the better one at this point.
Jiminator
01-20-2008, 01:58 PM
The statistics appear to be identical except that the more expensive one has 16 mb cache vs 8
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/productspecs.asp?driveid=301
http://www.wdc.com/en/products/productspecs.asp?driveid=307
which seems a little silly to me, with the price of ram, they could throw a gig in there.
Bludd
01-20-2008, 05:19 PM
The AAJS also seems to be quieter than the AAKS, but it's not by much. Also the AAKS seems to have a bit faster buffer-to-drive speeds.
At least according to these:
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1409&p_created=1138290141&p_sid=u22HmgWi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9MSwxJnBfcHJvZHM9MCZwX2NhdHM9MTg1JnBfcHY 9JnBfY3Y9MS4xODUmcF9zZWFyY2hfdHlwZT1hbnN3ZXJzLnNlY XJjaF9mbmwmcF9wYWdlPTEmcF9zZWFyY2hfdGV4dD1XRDUwMDB BQUtT&p_li=&p_topview=1
http://wdc.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/wdc.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=1512&p_created=1171664800&p_sid=u22HmgWi&p_accessibility=0&p_redirect=&p_lva=&p_sp=cF9zcmNoPTEmcF9zb3J0X2J5PSZwX2dyaWRzb3J0PSZwX 3Jvd19jbnQ9MSwxJnBfcHJvZHM9JnBfY2F0cz0xODUmcF9wdj0 mcF9jdj0xLjE4NSZwX3BhZ2U9MSZwX3NlYXJjaF90ZXh0PVdEN TAwMEpT&p_li=&p_topview=1
Apparently the AAJS is a desktop mainstream model and the AAKS is a desktop high performance model.
8IronBob
01-20-2008, 06:00 PM
So I guess that means that the AAKS is worth the $5 extra. I'll take your word for it.
AAJS = $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136178, AAKS = $105 http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136073. Ooh, and there's an AACS model, too, didn't notice that...http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136149
Bludd
01-20-2008, 06:09 PM
AACS is the low power green version.
http://wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=338&language=en
8IronBob
01-20-2008, 06:11 PM
Yeah, everyone wants to go environmentally friendly with those these days.
Well, can't be too sure if that's as good of a performer as the AAKS, tho.
peoplessi
01-20-2008, 06:13 PM
I would buy 1TB model, since they are cooler and faster.
Bludd
01-20-2008, 06:22 PM
I would buy the largest drive possible with the lowest cost per gigabyte possible.
There is still a premium to pay for the 1 TB drives, so their cost per gigabyte is inflated.
peoplessi
01-20-2008, 07:22 PM
True, difference isn't really that much. It is much due you don't have to have that many drives in your case after you get such :) 2x 500GB is one drive more than 1x 1TB. 500GB is the sweetspot right now.
I have WD3200KS and WD5000AAKS, and both are just great.
Bludd
01-20-2008, 07:31 PM
Yes, I agree that 500 GB is the sweet spot for price per gigabyte right now, but the 750 GB I bought was on sale so it beat it hands down.
I also agree that less drives is much better but I cannot justify purchasing a 1 TB drive until the premium you pay is gone or much lower.
Jiminator
01-21-2008, 08:27 PM
eh, so I copied my main drive to the 500, swapped them and booted off of the 500. Everything works except outlook cannot receive mail. looks like it is some problem with it, or the installer, or the installer log file, or some stupid dll that is there.... I am pretty annoyed. someone has reported the same error, but none of the fixes found have panned out. so it is looking like a repair install, but more likely a reinstall will probably be necessary....
Bludd
01-21-2008, 08:34 PM
Maybe the .pst file is in the wrong place? documents and settings\username\application data or local files\application data\microsoft and go from there
Scotty
01-21-2008, 08:35 PM
What did you copy the drive with, what version of Outlook are you using, and are you using the Outlook Connector?
I've copied my drive with Norton Ghost several times in the last few weeks as I made the move to Vista, and generally didn't have any problems. Outlook Express 6 ran fine in Windows XP, and Windows Mail (which automagically imported the Outlook Express 6 data) only had the expected slowness in Windows Vista.
All of my regular POP mail accounts worked fine in Outlook 2003 after copying. My Hotmail account (using Outlook Connector) didn't work properly on the copied drive, but worked fine on the source drive. I had this problem both with XP and Vista.
I ultimately wrote off the Outlook Connector as being not ready for prime-time, went back to Outlook's support for HTTP mail, and it's worked fine since.
EDIT:
Maybe the .pst file is in the wrong place? documents and settings\username\application data or local files\application data\microsoft and go from there
If he copied with something like Ghost, this should be a non-issue, as it should pretty much be a mirror image.
I don't know what to say about these drives in RAID 0, but I tested my dad's drives in HD Tach and both drives in RAID 0 perform almost twice as fast as my Raptors in RAID 0. Those are just benchmarks, so who knows whether that's what they really perform at.
Bludd
01-21-2008, 10:46 PM
If he copied with something like Ghost, this should be a non-issue, as it should pretty much be a mirror image.
Yes, but who knows if he did? He said he copied, not cloned/imaged it.
Jiminator
01-22-2008, 12:48 AM
I used the "data lifeguard" tools that came with the drive, it has worked well for the most part in the past. Normally there should not be any issue for any of the programs, since all of the original files are there. But it looks like there is some sort of drive dependency related to windows installer/windows update. Some suggested 'repairing' outlook. But the msi installer refuses to work at all. The MS purge installer doesn't do anything. So office cannot be uninstalled or reinstalled. Note that everything else works about outlook, existing email is there, etc. Oh well. I went back to the old drive. Lost a few levels of NOLF. :) I'm going to upgrade my board to a 780i, do a fresh install then.
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