April fools???

[Ras]

Kristian, please edit that URL out of my quote. That's why I deleted it, because it's making the window stretch out too far. Thanks. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Edit: Heh. Never mind. Here we are on a new page.

[Kristian Joensen]

Two problems with that 3D Realms don't develop gaems based on licensed property adn two 3D Realms are do not develop more than one game inhouse at at the time.

[FireFly]

Isn't the Dark Harvest thing very notable ?

Btw I agree witho you some other people are talking about this guy predicting a release date and stuff like that.

If that was the case we would be unable to indentify him among the masses.

Then Charlie's comment would not count as a hint at all.



Yes, it could be that IP. But who is the old time Duke fan?


Two problems with that 3D Realms don't develop gaems based on licensed property adn two 3D Realms are do not develop more than one game inhouse at at the time.


I'm talking about existing IP/game that they own or at least parts of it being used by a third part developer working with 3DR.

[Kristian Joensen]

Inorder for that to be the case 3DR would have to be developing two external games at the same time.

Oh and read Theusus314's comments in the Prey lives thread.

Oh, my current guesses for the Predictor are:

Theusus314
BNA!
Omnipresence
Or one of their sources.

[Duoae]

Kristian Joensen said:
Inorder for that to be the case 3DR would have to be developing two external games at the same time.





That would tally with my prediction of 3 games.

The whole - fan predicted this a while ago, to me tallies with the eventual release of Prey - maybe by a 3rd Party developer.......

[Kristian Joensen]

Why ?

[Duoae]

Not sure which part you are referring to but...

1) because it does.

2) because DNF and Prey are the only two games in development back a few years...... the only games that a prediction could have been made for......

[tpz]

Anybody concidered the possibility of Joe or Charlie being that 'old fan'?

[Kristian Joensen]

Duoae said:
Not sure which part you are referring to but...

1) because it does.

2) because DNF and Prey are the only two games in development back a few years...... the only games that a prediction could have been made for......



Why does there have to be a 3rd game at all ?


tpz said:
Anybody concidered the possibility of Joe or Charlie being that 'old fan'?



I thougth about it but where would you find such a quote ?

It would have to be from before they where employed so it is actually impossible.

[SyntaxN]

Anybody concidered the possibility of Joe or Charlie being that 'old fan'?


http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
I never thought about that!
When did Charlie&Joe joined 3dr????


It would have to be from before they where employed so it is actually impossible.


No, possibly they were here as normal users or so...

[lonestar]

as far as i can see this guy bna! only spread some bullshit to get a bit of attention. really, don't read anything into it.

it's interesting to see what human head will show off with their d3 engine based game, but i tend to think, the 3drealms/human head game is the second game, they are working on, what runs on the dnf engine(??). (i love to write it: dnf engine. the one which will blow your socks off :P)

[Kristian Joensen]

SyntaxN said:

Anybody concidered the possibility of Joe or Charlie being that 'old fan'?


http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
I never thought about that!
When did Charlie&Joe joined 3dr????


It would have to be from before they where employed so it is actually impossible.


No, possibly they were here as normal users or so...



Joe preadtes these forums by far even he was hired around 1994-1995.

Charlie was hired before or around the time they put Prey on hold.

That is very likely before they started the game they are talking about wheter it is Prey or totally new property.


lonestar said:
as far as i can see this guy bna! only spread some bullshit to get a bit of attention. really, don't read anything into it.



Yet here we are...

[Evil Angel]

tpz said:
Anybody concidered the possibility of Joe or Charlie being that 'old fan'?




Yeah that's a good point! And I found this on the main page. It was posted when Charlie joined the team. This quote took my eye.

"Charlie has been a member of the Duke community for some time now, and he brings his "fan perspective" on Duke to the Duke team." http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Heres the link to that page. About half way down. HERE (http://www.3drealms.com/news/nov98.html)

So is Charlie the "old fan"?

[John]

Joe was hired around 94?

He played the voice for Duke in the game Duke Nukem 2, which was released sometime around 1992 right?

[Kristian Joensen]

Evil Angel, i already refuted that.

[Rider]

Evil Angel said:
So is Charlie the "old fan"?



would be odd to refer to yourself with "an old fan of ours"

blah, going to bed now... Prey and DNF are spinning through my mind, time to get them some rest http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Evil Angel]

Kristian Joensen said:
Evil Angel, i already refuted that.



I don't get it. Why is it impossible and why does it have to be from before they were employed?

[Kristian Joensen]

It wouldn't be a prediction otherwise.

[Evil Angel]

Rider said:

Evil Angel said:
So is Charlie the "old fan"?



would be odd to refer to yourself with "an old fan of ours"

blah, going to bed now... Prey and DNF are spinning through my mind, time to get them some rest http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Maybe but he now works for 3DR and is/was also a fan. You can't really phrase it "an old fan of 3DR" when you are currently working for them when you make that statement.

[Evil Angel]

Kristian Joensen said:
It wouldn't be a prediction otherwise.



So then Charlie made a prediction before he worked for 3DR when he was a fan and not an employee and events have conspired to make it so. It doesn't mean he's engineered things to fit with his prediction since he started working there.

[Kristian Joensen]

But that is the thing that would be way before this game has started development.

[Evil Angel]

But didn't Charlie say the "old fan" predicted it a loooooong time ago. A loooong time ago could easily mean before "the game" (whatever it is) started development and before he even joined 3DR. When we don't even know what the prediction is, it's hard to say whether it will or won't fit into any scenario.


EDIT: Ok so it definately isn't Charlie going on this PM.

"I'm not the old fan. This fan predates me.

I also might have overstated the "loooooong time ago" aspect. It was a while ago, but definitely in the 21st century. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif "

So near and yet so far http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

But that's narrowed it down at least. 21st century has to be after 2000. We're gettin closer. With a little help of course. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[SyntaxN]

When we don't even know what the prediction is, it's hard to say whether it will or won't fit into any scenario.


hmmm, now when I´m thinking about it, this could be true!
Charlie said: "Some of us also were on the other side of the forum discussions all those years ago."
But what was his prediction? (if he means himself with the old fan, which is extremely possible now)

/edit


EDIT: Ok so it definately isn't Charlie going on this PM.

"I'm not the old fan. This fan predates me.


w00t? He pmed you that he isn´t the old fan he mentioned?


But that's narrowed it down at least. 21st century has to be after 2000. We're gettin closer. With a little help of course.


In the 21st century 3dr just talked about the Duke http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Evil Angel]

That's the exact quote from the PM. I'm hoping that Charlie is now posting as NotWieder3DR and I haven't been hoodwinked. So it has to be something a really old fan predicted after 2000 which means it was after seeing and knowing about DNF.

[SyntaxN]

The thing with the 21st century could have been the final sign for the Duke.....
/me jumps up to the ceiling

[Parkar]

Yes he is since all 3dr staff is unalowed to post on the board he goes under not3drstaff http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[lonestar]

Parkar said:
Yes he is since all 3dr staff is unalowed to post on the board he goes under not3drstaff http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



lol http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

@ evil angel:

wtf?! he just replied. ah, the 3drealms guys are awesome. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i should give it a try, too ...

[Evil Angel]

@ evil angel:

wtf?! he just replied. ah, the 3drealms guys are awesome. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i should give it a try, too ...



lol Yeah. These guys are cool. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif this place. He didn't reply to anything I asked btw. Probably just wanted to take the heat off him and point me back in the right direction. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I doubt direct questions will get any answers.

[Gryph]

John said:
Joe was hired around 94?

He played the voice for Duke in the game Duke Nukem 2, which was released sometime around 1992 right?


As fas as I know Joe's been around since the beginning, like in the 80s.

And the only fan I know of by name is that Lon Matero guy.

[KaiserSoze]

whoa, came back on and 87+ new replies! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

no one has it pegged yet? damn. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

it really has to be the most obvious answer.

also, i'm of the opinion that the "old fan" charlie is mentioning is actually a 3dr employee or industry friend so i figured there's no way we're gonna find out who that is....

[Suppressor]

Just one question, what happened after April 1st last year? - Nothing!
What will happen this time? Hm, difficult to answer http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Remember what GB said before: "When hell freezes over..." I think if they release new screenshots, it´s time to get excited.

[SyntaxN]

it really has to be the most obvious answer.


hmmmm, difficult, it could be DNF for the PSP or so.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[KaiserSoze]

SyntaxN said:

it really has to be the most obvious answer.


hmmmm, difficult, it could be DNF for the PSP or so.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



hey man, i have a psp, i wouldn't mind.

but it's gotta get ported to the pc first. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Evil Angel]

KaiserSoze said:
whoa, came back on and 87+ new replies! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

no one has it pegged yet? damn. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

it really has to be the most obvious answer.

also, i'm of the opinion that the "old fan" charlie is mentioning is actually a 3dr employee or industry friend so i figured there's no way we're gonna find out who that is....



I'm starting to think that now. I was googling for comments made by Tim Sweeney, Mark Rein, John Carmack. All the really big obvious names to see if I could find a crumb of info. It just really could be anybody though so it's near impossible. All we know it was made after 2000 by an old pre D3D fan. Where do you begin http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif Who cares it's gotta be the Duke! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

[lonestar]

Evil Angel said:



@ evil angel:

wtf?! he just replied. ah, the 3drealms guys are awesome. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i should give it a try, too ...



lol Yeah. These guys are cool. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif this place. He didn't reply to anything I asked btw. Probably just wanted to take the heat off him and point me back in the right direction. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I doubt direct questions will get any answers.



oh. nice.

i better ask to mail me some brand-new dnf shots. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif ....

argh. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Ras]

Yes he is since all 3dr staff is unalowed to post on the board he goes under not3drstaff



I believe they can post, as Stephen did recently. It had something to do with a bet that he had with the forum that he could stop posting until DNF was out. I forget the details, and I don't know why the forum would hold him to that, since any information is gold and Charlie seems like a nice enough guy.

[Enragiated]

Looks like the Dukes finally going to be revived, at long last, hail to the king, the king is back!


Avatar change time

[MegaMustaine]

I think the prediction had nothing to do with the actual game, and probably more with how they were going to announce it. I don't think there is much more speculation to do though, as it almost has to be DNF. Everything seems to point to it. DNF it is unless Charlie says different.

[trackit]

MegaMustaine said:
I think the prediction had nothing to do with the actual game, and probably more with how they were going to announce it. I don't think there is much more speculation to do though, as it almost has to be DNF. Everything seems to point to it. DNF it is unless Charlie says different.



i think your right!! DNF it is!! Charlie said it should be quite obvious what it is... i cant think of nothing than DNF then!! And the fan prediction that was messing my mind around is propably not an actual game title indeed!

I say we are going to see DNF in a month!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Ronald McDonald]

Area 51, WID, ngh.....when Hell freezes over http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[MegaMustaine]

Hell has frozen over! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif One more month and I think we will see it.

[trackit]

This thread was propably the fastes expanding thread ever http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif over 500 posts in 3,5 days http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[Lotan]

Ras said:

Yes he is since all 3dr staff is unalowed to post on the board he goes under not3drstaff



I believe they can post, as Stephen did recently. It had something to do with a bet that he had with the forum that he could stop posting until DNF was out. I forget the details, and I don't know why the forum would hold him to that, since any information is gold and Charlie seems like a nice enough guy.



Someone said that he won't post until DNF is done.
Btw, look at the number of posts.

Hey, it was 666...

[FireFly]

After a message board dispute he said he wouldn't post on the forums 'till DNF was done (and made a bet with the rest of the team to seal it).

[zwieback]

KaiserSoze said:
whoa, came back on and 87+ new replies! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

no one has it pegged yet? damn. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

it really has to be the most obvious answer.

also, i'm of the opinion that the "old fan" charlie is mentioning is actually a 3dr employee or industry friend so i figured there's no way we're gonna find out who that is....



yeah or it is carmack.. this would point to keen4ever or prey ?

i still hope that it is dnf

[Ras]

Who said Carmack was a big 3DR fan? He's always seemed a little perplexed by the whole Duke Nukem thing. He has said several times that he would never personally make a game like Duke.

[Ronald McDonald]

That's cause Carmack suxx at everything else except tech http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Duoae]

Inorder for that to be the case 3DR would have to be developing two external games at the same time.



Kristian, you said it yourself - logic dictates that 3DR have three games currently under either a) development, or b) production.

[EDIT]

Keen4ever! WOW! I'd play that!!

[zwieback]

Ras said:
Who said Carmack was a big 3DR fan? He's always seemed a little perplexed by the whole Duke Nukem thing. He has said several times that he would never personally make a game like Duke.


..so the signs show the big letters "P R E Y" in the sky .. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[SyntaxN]

..so the signs show the big letters "P R E Y" in the sky ..


sorry, I can´t see them http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
But there is something written on the moon....looks like "Duke Nukem Forever" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[crunchy superman]

Holy shit @ this thread! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

You guys are totally wrong it will not be DNF.

And the prediction can not be about any thing else other than what game it is.

The prediction can however ofcourse be wrong about the name of the game, like confusing Prey and Dark Harvest.

One possibility is that 3D Realms have changed the name of the game.

[Spooger]

Good God, my eyes are stinging! Seriously, this thread has blown me away with its copious amounts of theories (conspiracy or otherwise), revelations, hints, official ramblings, etc. Took me over an hour to read through it all, and yet, I still dunno wtf to think http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

I'm going to go wash and massage my eyeballs. Someone, please, figure this out http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Duoae]

I think that it's safe to say that at this point in time, without more firm confirmation on what hints we are looking for or if any of us is even near the mark with our theories, that no one will figure it out. There just isn't enough information (that i'm aware of) that points to it being a firm decision one way or another....

[Spyd]

I'm starting to get bored.
I check this thread every now and then to see a post from GB saying something, but now I'm confident that if GB says something at all, it'll be in his tease line, so useless again.
Just patience like ever, we'll have all the answers at E3 (I guess).

But this thread has some of my personal awards: http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
W.C. award: More anxiously visited thread of the year.
Clenbuterol award: Fastest growing thread of the year.
Memento award: Topic swapping award.
Lotto award: Wild guessing award.

[Kristian Joensen]

Not much information ?

You gotta be kitting me their are several sources for the Dark Harvest theory, they are 100% consistent with my engine theory.

They are also consistent with the rumor that the 3rd party developer is Human Head Studios.

That rumors is also correct about the fact that Human Head Studios is developing game using the Doom 3 engine.

I however don't believe that that is the 3D Realms project.

As for Prey Joe has stated that is is not in development.

Their trademark for Tommy Hawk is much more extensive than their Prey trademark.

But maybe they have not finaly decided the name yet, Max Payne went trough two names before the decision to call it Max Payne, namely Dark Justice and Max Heat.

Maybe Dark Harvest is just somekind of early code name for the game.

That could be the reason that it is not trademarked.

All of the quotes I have linked too concerning the 3rd party game have been made in the 21st century.

I think we have to find out where the Dark Harvest rumor originated and where the Human Head Studios rumor originated.

here (http://pc.ign.com/articles/355/355382p1.html) is one very early source for the Human Head rumors.

That could be some indication of how long the game has been in development.

[lonestar]

of course, we don't have enough info to come to a clearly conclusion.

it's just a puzzle where you got some pieces, some of them fit together but there are still pieces missing. also, some puzzle pieces fit to more than just one piece, so you really cannot get an accurate picture at this time.

we have to wait for the unveiling. i think, we will get a pretty obvious hint through a gaming mag ad and some teasing text quite a while before e3.

[Kristian Joensen]

Does anyone here know who Warren Marshall is ?

[FireFly]

Uh, he's a level designer/programmer at Epic Games. Faily senior I think. Why, did you find something on Planetcrap?

[SyntaxN]

Does anyone here know who Warren Marshall is ?


He worked (is working) for Legend or so, he made levels, programmed UnrealED 2.0, postet much on planet crap...
http://mothership.beyondunreal.com/interviews/warren1.html
why?

[Kristian Joensen]

FireFly said:
Uh, he's a level designer/programmer at Epic Games. Faily senior I think. Why, did you find something on Planetcrap?



I know I have not found anything on PlanetCrap just that his post their are 3DR friendly so I was wondering if he has(is) been a 3DR/Apogee since the pre-Duke3D days.

All the comments I have ever seen by any Epic Games guy on the internet about DNF have been positive.

Maybe Warren Marshall(Or somebody else form Epic) is the fan ?

Or maybe he/they are the insider who has started the rumors ?

Warren Marshall is a after all a indrustry insider.

[Night Hacker]

W I D

[Kristian Joensen]

That is not a very helpfull comment.

We know that the game will be released WID whatever game it is so you have increased out knowledge about this project zero.

[FireFly]

Most of Warren's comments I've seen seem to be written from that neutral "I'm a developer so I respect other developer's games, lets see how it turns out" perspective. After all, most developers aren't overly critical of DNF.

He'd have to be "One of [their] oldest fans ever".

Oh, and doesn't the comment "has predicted we'd be doing this a LOOOONG time ago" mean the prediction is very old? Everyone seems to have missed this part.

[Kristian Joensen]

Charlie has said that he overstated the long ago bit, it was made in the 21st century.

[FireFly]

Ok. This thread is a little hard to follow.

[Kristian Joensen]

That is certainly true.

Oh and btw all the quotes I have linked to as pontentially been made by the "fan" have been from the 21st century.

[trackit]

Im so excited that it is DNF... so please dont tell me that its not!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif It just have to be DNF
Other theorys just dont make sense to me! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Besides, the timeing is perfect... they just cant afford to develop it much longer. Otherwise they will miss the timeframe and will have to change the tech once again... and that means cancellation!

[FireFly]

The time frame is like 'till the end of 2006.

[Ronald McDonald]

Not Gonna Happen!!!!!
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

FireFly said:
The time frame is like 'till the end of 2006.



You know this how ?

If that is true they must have UE3 level graphics, I can't believe that.

To all of you who think this is DNF, I would not get my hopes up at all.

Personally I would not be disappointed if it wasn't DNF.

On the other hand I would be disappointed if it was.

So I can't be disappointed you guys on the other hand can be.

The is absolutely no reason to believe that this is DNF whasoever.

It doesn't fit the prediction hint, especially not the part of hint that the prediction was made in this century.

[trackit]

FireFly said:
The time frame is like 'till the end of 2006.



and that means that they will have to start buiding up a hype somewhere soon... as George said it could take from 6 to 12 months...

I dont think that they will switch the attention of media to some other title. Their primary baby is DNF!

[trackit]

Kristian.Why the hell would you be disapointed if it is DNF?? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

And if you expect DNF earlier than the end of 2006 then there is even more reasons to belive it is DNF!

[Kristian Joensen]

I said that I wouldn't be disappointed if it was DNF.

Also I except DNF to be released late this year or next summer.

Edit:

Sorry where I said "On the other hand I would be disappointed if it was DNF", I should have said: "On the other hand I wouldn't be disappointed if it was DNF".

[Tim. Just Tim.]

I dont get what the big deal is. Mind you, I havnt read this entire thread, but I think I get the jist of it.

We all know 3dr is making DNF. In fact they have told us that they are only making ONE game - DNF. And now if they are talking about unveiling their next game, how can there be any doubt that its DNF?

You guys are reading way to far into this. Maybe because you spend too much time on these forums and over analyze everything.

Its funny because people like Kaiser who know so much about DNF and 3DR are confused. While on the other hand, any average joe who goes to www.3drealms.com (http://www.3drealms.com) and reads the line:

P.S. Keep your eyes open for the unveiling of our next game very soon. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

knows that its DNF. You guys are too smart for your own good http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[trackit]

Kristian Joensen said:
I said that I wouldn't be disappointed if it was DNF.

Also I except DNF to be released late this year or next summer.



maybe i got you wrong then, my engsidh is far ftom perfect http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif but you said


Personally I would not be disappointed if it wasn't DNF.

On the other hand I would be disappointed if it was.



and i undersood it as you would be disapointed if it is DNF... but nevermind... gald to hear you wouldnt!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Tim. Just Tim. said:
I dont get what the big deal is. Mind you, I havnt read this entire thread, but I think I get the jist of it.

We all know 3dr is making DNF. In fact they have told us that they are only making ONE game - DNF.



Nope this is definetly not true they have themselves told us that they are developing another game along side DNF, only differene is that game is not a inhouse game.

But according to the rumor I am inclined to believe it started its life as a inhouse project and was later handled over to the 3rd party developer rumored to be Huan Head Studios.

Trackit, I updated my post.

[FireFly]

Kristian Joensen said:

FireFly said:
The time frame is like 'till the end of 2006.



You know this how ?



Well I mean before they would consider scrapping the project.

[Kristian Joensen]

I knew that is what you meant but how to you know that they have until late 2006 before they scrap the project ?

[Gryph]

Did anyone read Shacknews today? This is the title of the latest update: Prey to be Re-Revealed at E3.

Here is the article they link to:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/05/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

[FireFly]

It's just an estimation, that's why I used the word "like". I don't know, maybe they'd consider scrapping the project after a couple of Unreal Engine 3 games get released.

Edit: so it isn't DNF.

[lonestar]

so it is prey?

[trackit]

GryphonKlaw said:
Did anyone read Shacknews today? This is the title of the latest update: Prey to be Re-Revealed at E3.

Here is the article they link to:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/05/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm



i bet they took it from this thread, like they do with their news storys http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Gryph]

I wonder what/who his sources are. This guy is pretty credible so I doubt he'd use forum posts as news...I sincerely hope not.

[Kristian Joensen]

"The show's biggest surprise, though, will likely be the revelation of "Prey". Gamers first heard of "Prey" in 1997. The game, originally about a Native American who fights several nefarious alien races, was thought to be cancelled, but quietly restarted a few years ago. The new version will use the "Doom 3" graphics engine and is said to be a visually striking title. There's no word on whether the story has changed.

3D Realms, makers of the popular "Duke Nukem" series, originally worked on "Prey," but word is they have handed development to a third party and are overseeing work on the game. Take Two Interactive Software (Research) is the likely publisher for the game, given its relationship with 3D Realms, but has not made any announcements. "

They say this based on what ?

It can't be Prey becuase Joe said so and it is on hold on til after the release of DNF.

[Duoae]

Yeah, i had already figured it out.... i actually worked out who the fan was and where the prediction was.....

I can link to it if you like - but it's all by-the-by now anyway..... i was just writing up a nice long post to help substantiate the premise of my findings when i decided to log in and look at where the thread has gone....

Damnit! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[EDIT]

It can't be Prey becuase Joe said so and it is on hold on til after the release of DNF.



Wrong, he said that the official stance was that it was on hold.....

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Kristian Joensen said:

Tim. Just Tim. said:
I dont get what the big deal is. Mind you, I havnt read this entire thread, but I think I get the jist of it.

We all know 3dr is making DNF. In fact they have told us that they are only making ONE game - DNF.



Nope this is definetly not true they have themselves told us that they are developing another game along side DNF, only differene is that game is not a inhouse game.

But according to the rumor I am inclined to believe it started its life as a inhouse project and was later handled over to the 3rd party developer rumored to be Huan Head Studios.

Trackit, I updated my post.



Oh well I stand corrected then.

All I can say is that regardless of what the hell is going on over at 3dr, it seems rediculous for them to be talking about anything other than DNF.

I know Prey had a lot of fans, or if its something else then thats ok too because Im sure its still going to rock. But it seems to me that for 3DR to announce anything other than DNF would rekindle all the old jokes and animosity toward 3DR. The fans have been asking for DNF for almost a decade, and 3DR has been telling us they were working on it for almost a decade. I dont think theyre going to piss us all off by telling us they have been doing something else instead, no matter how much this other game will rock.

Also, if I understand what you mean by "non-inhouse" game, then I still dont see why 3dr would talk about it on their website, and refer to it as "our next game".

Finally, as long as were flinging quotes around to prove our silly little arguments..

We know 3dr isnt going to e3 because they have said they dont like it and its a waste of development time etc etc. Yet still it seems like most of the people in this thread are expecting something from 3dr at e3 this year.

We also know that 3dr has said they arnt even going to think about Prey again until DNF is over and finished with. So It cant be prey whatever it is.

[FireFly]

Duoae said:
I can link to it if you like - but it's all by-the-by now anyway..... i was just writing up a nice long post to help substantiate the premise of my findings when i decided to log in and look at where the thread has gone....

Damnit! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif


What are you saying here?

[trackit]

But Joe said they will NOT go to E3. And if the 3d party developer is developing it and showing off at E3 then why 3DR said "unveiling OUR next game"??

edit: Tim just beat me to it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Duoae said:
Yeah, i had already figured it out.... i actually worked out who the fan was and where the prediction was.....

I can link to it if you like - but it's all by-the-by now anyway..... i was just writing up a nice long post to help substantiate the premise of my findings when i decided to log in and look at where the thread has gone....



Please provide that link and tell us all who that mysterious fan is.


trackit said:
But Joe said they will NOT go to E3. And if the 3d party developer is developing it and showing off at E3 then why 3DR said "unveiling OUR next game"??

edit: Tim just beat me to it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Becuase it is indeed their game.

3D Realms condisered Max Payne to be both a 3D Realms and a Remedy game.

They played a big enough role in the development to make that true.

[Ras]

I kind of hope the lead character of this Prey isn't Tommy Hawk. That silly kind of slapstick name seems a little out of style now.

[trackit]

Kristian Joensen said:

Becuase it is indeed their game.

3D Realms condisered Max Payne to be both a 3D Realms and a Remedy game.

They played a big enough role in the development to make that true.



Mybe with Max Payne they did, but this time Greorge has stated that ALL the team is working on DNF and that primary task is to finally finish DNF as soon as possible. So i really doubt that they are spending their efforts on Prey, unless they didnt lie to our face of course..

[Gryph]

Well I don't think 3DR has a separate team to work on Max Payne. And from what I hear mostly Scott Miller deals with that kind of stuff. He's not part of the DNF team in the normal sense.

[Kristian Joensen]

Yeah but you have to remember that the whole team was also working on DNF during Prey's development.

Plus according to the rumor this game was started as a inhouse game, that gives 3D Realms even more credit for this game.

[Parkar]

trackit said:

Kristian Joensen said:

Becuase it is indeed their game.

3D Realms condisered Max Payne to be both a 3D Realms and a Remedy game.

They played a big enough role in the development to make that true.



Mybe with Max Payne they did, but this time Greorge has stated that ALL the team is working on DNF and that primary task is to finally finish DNF as soon as possible. So i really doubt that they are spending their efforts on Prey, unless they didnt lie to our face of course..



None of the "developers" did any work on max payne either.

[lonestar]

@ trackit:

because they are incorporated into this project, supporting them technically, in design questions and other things.

maybe even human head won't be attending and it will be presented by take2.

when kristian brought up the quotes, i thought these were some pretty neat indications that it could be prey on the d3 engine, but this changed quickly.. i dunno, a game like prey sounds dnf-like (it's described in the above cnn article). i'm skeptical if it was the right choice.

like i said, the dnf engine is the way to go. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif but what i'm talking, i know shit about the engine. 3drealms and human head have their reasons to take the d3 engine.

[Duoae]

Okay.

Linkage (http://atlas.secs.oakland.edu/~lcmatero/apogee/)

In retrospect, it was so obvious that it eluded me until today.... damnit! Why couldn't my stupid mind work faster?

Anyway, let me explain. "Lon" is a really old fan. 1996 days, maybe earlier, but the first activity i can quote is 1996 when he first made his site.

On that page he states several times that he thinks Prey is going to be re-announced - most notably due to the domain being bought and also the trademarks.

It's funny, his page started my research, but from there (and i didn't see the trademark section) i went round full-circle, only to come back to him and see that he had predicted the re-announcement of Prey, specifically after the domain was bought in december 2004.



But Joe said they will NOT go to E3. And if the 3d party developer is developing it and showing off at E3 then why 3DR said "unveiling OUR next game"??




Yes, and 3DRealms don't have to go to E3. It can still be a 3DR game, but since Take Two (publishing the game) are going to have 2 stands then i'm pretty sure that Human Head Studios can go alone....

[Kristian Joensen]

They did play test it though.

I don't know I don't think it is Lon Matero.

[FireFly]

trackit said:
Mybe with Max Payne they did, but this time Greorge has stated that ALL the team is working on DNF and that primary task is to finally finish DNF as soon as possible. So i really doubt that they are spending their efforts on Prey, unless they didnt lie to our face of course..


That is their primary task. That doesn't mean they can't work as technical directors on other projects.

But from the horses mouth (already in this bloated thread):

"3D Realms is currently working with another developer, with a very similar relationship that we had with Remedy, to create another hit series (or so we hope!). In 2004 this game will be announced and it will make a good case study in the making of a franchise, allowing me to discuss our key decisions prior to the game's release, and eventually seeing if we made the right calls."

Edit: I'm betting it's Lon. It occured to me to but I didn't realise he'd predicted anything.

[Kristian Joensen]

Duaoe, can you make a link directly to the prediction ?

[Parkar]

Prey seams more and more plausable by the second.

[Kristian Joensen]

I still don't see, that Morris guy didn't provide source.

I agree with the Human Head Studios rumor about Dark Harvest but not Prey.

The game migth still be somekind of spiritual succesor to Prey.

[Ras]

I mentioned Lon Matero's name several days ago. I believe he's the keeper of the Apogee FAQ, and about the only "household name" fan.

You should have listened to me. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Gryph]

I too suspected Lon Matero.

[Duoae]

It's on that page. I'll quote it for ease....



Some more signs of active Prey development. Why else would 3D Realms pay up to $850,000 to buy the "prey.com" domain in the last year?






Prey History has been updated again with some new evidence that Prey may be re-announced soon.




There are more, but we don't need them. The fact is that he has been predicting that Prey was live and kicking for a while now. He didn't give any dates of release or announcement... but then that kind of prediction wouldn't exist for a game like Prey anyway.

I suppose there's only one person who can answer this properly and that is wieder3DR or is it notwieder3dr?

[Kristian Joensen]

That is yet to be proved.

[Ras]

I've tried to follow this thread as best I could, but when did "Dark Harvest" first get mentioned. It's new to me from your posts today.

[Duoae]

Dark Harvest is the codename for a game being developed by Human Head Studios. First mentioned in a leaked Nvidia internal paper. It was talking about the game being open-GL based. Something that the Doom 3 engine is.

However, i also suspect that the Prey engine, preditor was also open-GL based...... think on that.....

[EDIT]

Sorry about that Ras, i never saw your post about Lon.

[Kristian Joensen]

It is on Page 12.

I think that was the first time.

[lonestar]

http://atlas.secs.oakland.edu/~lcmatero/prey/history.htm

i dunno, who linked it first, but look at the lower part. there is seemingly a hint in "dead mans's hand" developed by human head studios.

great page! if i had looked at this page more accurate earlier, it would have been clearer to me in the first place.

[Micki!]

What the hell makes this thread so popular..?
Most of the things in here doesn't even have anything to do with DNF anymore... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Duoae]

lonestar said:
http://atlas.secs.oakland.edu/~lcmatero/prey/history.htm

i dunno, who linked it first, but look at the lower part. there is seemingly a hint in "dead mans's hand" developed by human head studios.

great page! if i had looked at this page more accurate earlier, it would have been clearer to me in the first place.



I've known about this page for the last year or so.... it was the first place i visited when looking for information that the mystery game might be Prey.... of course, sometimes the obvious is the hardest thing to see....

[Kristian Joensen]

lonestar said:
http://atlas.secs.oakland.edu/~lcmatero/prey/history.htm

i dunno, who linked it first, but look at the lower part. there is seemingly a hint in "dead mans's hand" developed by human head studios.

great page! if i had looked at this page more accurate earlier, it would have been clearer to me in the first place.



That place is nothing knew I have known about it for quite some time.

[Ronald McDonald]

I believe it's Prey now http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Even though I disgust at the very mentioning of the D3 engine (bleh, shadows & plastic), I'm still very confident that it will be an AAA+ game.
Simply, because 3DR wont allow it to be crappy and D3-like http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

This thread is now the thread with the second most replies on the DNF forum.

[trackit]

To be honest... i'm kinda disapointed...

I was hoping to see our Dukie http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

but i guess my sadness will be whiped when i see the vid of Kaiser eating his underwear http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[lonestar]

Duoae said:

lonestar said:
http://atlas.secs.oakland.edu/~lcmatero/prey/history.htm

i dunno, who linked it first, but look at the lower part. there is seemingly a hint in "dead mans's hand" developed by human head studios.

great page! if i had looked at this page more accurate earlier, it would have been clearer to me in the first place.



I've known about this page for the last year or so.... it was the first place i visited when looking for information that the mystery game might be Prey.... of course, sometimes the obvious is the hardest thing to see....



this is the first thing you should have posted in this thread. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

hopefully we'll get some info [pics] already before e3. woot! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

like i said before: dnf. no way. even without searching for any hints. it would have been too unbelievable and keeping in mind what george said over the last month, it really didn't make the impression that dnf will be unveiled at this year's e3.

[Micki!]

trackit said:
To be honest... i'm kinda disapointed...

I was hoping to see our Dukie http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

but i guess my sadness will be whiped when i see the vid of Kaiser eating his underwear http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



But since Prey is a 3'rd party game, it can't be from 3DR... And the front page clearly says:
"P.S. Keep your eyes open for the unveiling of [u]our</u> next game very soon. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif "

[Duoae]

I'm SO EXCITED!!!!
O_O_OO_O_OOO_O_O_O_O_O_O_OO_O_O____O___!

All SIX of my nipples are TINGLING!

Now, we can't let this thread die.

Seriously though, i know it's basically confirmed now.... but i wonder if they are using a modified Preditor engine...... there was a rumour that id were going to licence it from 3DR for use with Quake 3, but a lot of the promised (very prey-like) features were pulled from Q3A.

Now, SyntaxN mentioned to me that in an early Doom 3 interview, they said it could handle something akin to geo-mod (i've never seen this used though). I'm wondering if the Doom 3 engine is actually integrated Prey tech with quake tech...... which makes me wonder if Human Head actually used the Doom3 engine or a modified Prey engine.... or are the two one and the same?! Or just similar.

Otherwise there will be no functionality in the new Prey game like there was in the old one....

[EDIT] It was said that Prey technology would not be feasible until 2001-ish and this is around the time when HHS started working on Prey. However, the tech had been around since 1998, when the doom 3 engine was being created. It has also been said that the Doom3 engine was taken from the base Q3 code and then stripped out and re-written. If id had licenced prey's tech then they would be in the same situation as 3DR are with unreal tech.... a combination of 3DR prey tech (cause they wouldn't through this away) and unreal tech.

Essentially, valve are in the same situation. Source being the child of valve tech and quake tech.

[Kristian Joensen]

Do we have to go through this again.

3D Realms considered Max Payne to be a 3D Realms game aswell as a Remedy game, rigthly so.

3D Realms is given way to little credit for their involvement with the Max Payne project by the gaming and journalistic public.

They apparently have been even more involved with this game, since the rumor says that it sated out as a interal game.

Btw Micki! just look at the list (http://www.3drealms.com/games.html) of 3D Realms games.

Duaoe, just because we know that Human Head Studios is using the Doom 3 engine doesn't mean they are using it for the Human Head Studios/3D Realms Entertainment game.

[Ronald McDonald]

Than Human Head is quite multifunctional...pretty good quality if you ask me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[crunchy superman]

I dunno. Without the cool portal gags, as shown in the imhz '98 video . . . and on D3 tech . . . I dunno.

[Kristian Joensen]

What do you mean be multifunctional ?

It is known that they are developing two games, it says so on the webpage.

They say that they 35+ developers spread over two teams.

[Vexed]

Would "next game" imply that it's gonna be out before DNF?

Anyway, to me it feels it won't really be Prey if it's on the doom3 engine. To me it seemed like prey was all about the tech. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Micki!]

Kristian Joensen said:


Btw Micki! just look at the list (http://www.3drealms.com/games.html) of 3D Realms games.





Does this have anything to do with Prey..? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
P.S. I wish that i could get a copy of Shadow Warrior somehow... (Don't know if purchasing from the internet is a safe thing... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)

[Ronald McDonald]

Many developers stay with one engine and are specialized at that particular engine.....atleast I think so.

[Duoae]

You forget that some of those "developers" (i would say employees) are used for producing and publishing role-playing, board, strategy and non-collectible card games.

[Kristian Joensen]

Vexed said:
Would "next game" imply that it's gonna be out before DNF?

Anyway, to me it feels it won't really be Prey if it's on the doom3 engine. To me it seemed like prey was all about the tech. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



We have no definite reason to believe that it is using the Doom 3 engine.


Duoae said:
You forget that some of those "developers" (i would say employees) are used for producing and publishing role-playing, board, strategy and non-collectible card games.



I know but hte webpage explictly states that they are spread on two teams.

The ones your are talking about have their own division.

Also, it is possible that both Human Head games are made in cooperation with 3D Realms.

[Vexed]

Max Payne = 3rd party game = also on 3DR's games page. Get it?


We have no definite reason to believe that it is using the Doom 3 engine.


True, just saying I guess.

[Duoae]

Vexed said:
Would "next game" imply that it's gonna be out before DNF?

Anyway, to me it feels it won't really be Prey if it's on the doom3 engine. To me it seemed like prey was all about the tech. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



Did anyone read what i posted? It's possible from what i've researched and inferred from articles and documents that the Doom 3 engine may be a decendent of Prey tech - or that Prey tech might still be alive and kicking with it's own engine..... It seems to me that both are similar engines...

[Fat John]

We have no definite reason to believe that it is using the Doom 3 engine.



We have no definite nothing. This is going nowhere http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Duoae]

Fat John said:
We have no definite nothing. This is going nowhere http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Are you joking? I doubt CNN would release something like this randomly, without evidence and proper reporting techniques - they are not a rumour mill you know http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[crunchy superman]

Duoae said:
Did anyone read what i posted? It's possible from what i've researched and inferred from articles and documents that the Doom 3 engine may be a decendent of Prey tech - or that Prey tech might still be alive and kicking with it's own engine..... It seems to me that both are similar engines...



If portals like we've seen in the Prey demos were available in any engine, we'd have damn sure seen them by now. Nobody would bury a feature like that for a later game - that's a major new gimmick.

[FireFly]

Yes they both use portal tech, but it's not clear to me (the layman) what the exact difference is, or what stuff is possible to recreate in the Doom 3 engine.

[Duoae]

FireFly said:
Yes they both use portal tech, but it's not clear to me (the layman) what the exact difference is, or what stuff is possible to recreate in the Doom 3 engine.



Well, not exactly. From my experience with D3 and q3 engines, they use a partial portal technology. The main part of q3 and i think Doom 3 is BSP: trees for determining level structure. However, a portal engine is different.
I discussed the difference between the sci-fi term and the technology a few pages back, as well as the difference between BSP: Trees and Portal tech. If you're interested go back there and read it and the links.

I don't think we should start discussing how the technology works - like we decided back then. That should have its own thread.

[lonestar]

so this bna! dude 've been also right.

this old article from 2002 someone posted here have been correct, too.

it fits with hollenshead's hint and those predictions from this prey fanpage.

so, yeah, it's actually almost an open secret. still, i can't cotton on to it being developed on the d3 engine.

this portal tech and destructable environments sounded really awesome. i mean, does doom3 engine offer such neat features? i don't think so. ... maybe they upgraded it...

i better should get off this trip. it's otherwise a stable and high quality engine. as long as it isn't so dark... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[General Failure]

Well, it seems everything points towards Prey. I was hoping for Duke as well, as I never got sucked in to Prey. Still, judging from the old E3-trailers, this will surely be a killer title (assuming they kept the awesome portal technology)

Maybe new Duke information will be released shortly after? (Here's to hoping)

[Kristian Joensen]

Duaoe, I found the quote on Human Heads webpage:

"Founded in 1997, Human Head began as a single-team development studio dedicated to creating the highest quality video and computer games. Since that time, the company has expanded to more than 35 veteran game developers across two teams."

Also if the rumor is true and it indeed is Prey wich I doubt and they indeed are using the Doom 3 engine for Prey and not just the other game(or not the oghet game at all) then maybe they and/or 3D Realms have added Prey's or similar portal tech to the Doom 3 engine.

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Well, we all know a lot about the Unreal engine, but that doesnt mean we know anything about DNF... because 3dr did something called 'modifying' the engine to suit their needs.

[Micki!]

Vexed said:
Max Payne = 3rd party game = also on 3DR's games page. Get it?


We have no definite reason to believe that it is using the Doom 3 engine.


True, just saying I guess.



Of course i get it... I just Missread it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif
Somebody PLEASE solve this GODDAMN mystery

[FireFly]

No I read about that, I just didn't know Doom 3 was using BSP.

[Kristian Joensen]

Duoae said:

Fat John said:
We have no definite nothing. This is going nowhere http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Are you joking? I doubt CNN would release something like this randomly, without evidence and proper reporting techniques - they are not a rumour mill you know http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



That is indeed true but he did not reveal his source therefore I think we should take his claims with a grain of salt.

Ordinarly CNN would be a trusworthy source but is is also true that ordinarly a publisher is a trustworthy source about what engien of the games they are publishing is using.

But they ***** up when they said DNF was using the Doom 3 engine.

I don't consider this ordinary at all.

[trackit]

The Doom 3 engine part is though consistent with the take 2 "mistake" about DNF being on D3 engine. I guess they wouldnt do such a silly mistake if there wasnt indeed something going on with D3 engine...

So i guess its really is Prey on Doom engine

[lonestar]

@ kristian

i posted this quote before in this thread. but yeah, you can easily oversee things in this monster thread, so... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

so that's the reason this take2 dude mentioned, duke nukem forever would be using the doom3 engine, he. hehe... he got something wrong, but seemingly he didn't pick it out of the air...

to come to cnn's journalism. it's not some rumor-sling like many other sites. trustworthy source. what i heard of other people, morris does a good job over there.

and he just confirms, what have made his round on the net for a long time.

btw, that's why joe put a " http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif " at the end of his phrase. cause it's not exactly their own game and most people thought :" DNF!!!" at first, for sure. i think...

[A_Llama]

Erm, there is absolutely no proof that the game to be unveiled isn't DNF. From what has been found in this thread, it is likely that 3DR are working on Prey. However, it makes no sense for them to unveil it before DNF. Seems to me like that would be a big mistake.

[Rider]

This thread keeps becoming more interresting every time I check back...

I'd be willing to believe the Prey theory, also makes sense. There's a lot of information about it on the web, it's a new IP (It still is the first game with that IP) and it has been predicted by the Old Apogee fan who runs that website.

Prey sounds acceptible

still hoping for DNF though http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Yes there is Charlie's hint about the fan.


trackit said:
The Doom 3 engine part is though consistent with the take 2 "mistake" about DNF being on D3 engine. I guess they wouldnt do such a silly mistake if there wasnt indeed something going on with D3 engine...

So i guess its really is Prey on Doom engine



That is assuming Take 2 is the publisher.

[FireFly]

3DR have said they're not going to E3. George has said we won't be seeing anything of DNF in the immediate future. Kaiser indicated he was given some sort of indication by 3DR that it wasn't DNF.

And Charlie used the example of a DNF fan who predicted they would "be doing this a LOOOONG time ago". Is he using this example just to confuse us?

[Parkar]

If the prey theory is correct. I guess they gave up the tech affter the third atempt (corrine yu). Put it on hold. Then later somehow toghter with another developer thought the ip could turn into a good game without the prey tech. It all makes sense to me. So they "new" Prey may be a bit diffrent and focus more on the story and character then the old one wich was more of a tech thing.

[Duoae]

Kristian Joensen said:
Duaoe, I found the quote on Human Heads webpage:

"Founded in 1997, Human Head began as a single-team development studio dedicated to creating the highest quality video and computer games. Since that time, the company has expanded to more than 35 veteran game developers across two teams."

Also if the rumor is true and it indeed is Prey wich I doubt and they indeed are using the Doom 3 engine for Prey and not just the other game(or not the oghet game at all) then maybe they and/or 3D Realms have added Prey's or similar portal tech to the Doom 3 engine.



They must have found an EXTREMELY complex and innovative way of doing that then. There certainly (as far as i understand BSP and Portal engines) will not be deformable geometry on the scale of the prey videos if it is BSP-based engine (which i'm pretty sure Doom 3 is). It has to do with the way the engine works out where things are. BSP creates a "tree" of the objects in the level upon compilation. This tree is referenced when the level is running. Portal engines work differently, allowing geometry to by modified. It's a bit like the difference between dynamic lights and lightmaps. One is static and the other is like in Doom 3.....

[Denz]

Hey guys, why not just waiting the game? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[lonestar]

A_Llama said:
Erm, there is absolutely no proof that the game to be unveiled isn't DNF. From what has been found in this thread, it is likely that 3DR are working on Prey. However, it makes no sense for them to unveil it before DNF. Seems to me like that would be a big mistake.



WTF?! now, it gets interesting. hahaha...

[Duoae]

Parkar said:
If the prey theory is correct. I guess they gave up the tech affter the third atempt (corrine yu). Put it on hold. Then later somehow toghter with another developer thought the ip could turn into a good game without the prey tech. It all makes sense to me. So they "new" Prey may be a bit diffrent and focus more on the story and character then the old one wich was more of a tech thing.



Agreed. That is my view as well. Either Prey uses the Prey engine and has the same tech, but updated.... or it is now a "different" game using the Doom 3 engine.....

[Ras]

Thanks for clearing up Dark Harvest, to both you and Kristian. As for what I said about Lon, it's no big deal. I was just having fun pointing that out. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Parkar]

Looking at "the history of prey" prey page and what is said abouth the tech it seams to be one heck of a mess to work with. I guess the portal technology is one of those things that looks good on paper but is pretty hard to get working so I am pretty sure the old prey engine is not used any more.

[KaiserSoze]

111 new replies. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

well it does look like "prey" eh?

i'll make sure my underwear is clean when i eat them and post pics. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

oh well.

there's still hope for duke, i still think they can announce both "prey" and "duke nukem forever" and show them both off. they'd totally own the entire e3 show for sure.

prey is gonna be sweet though i really miss duke.

either way, we do win. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

i wonder if the portal technology was kept/incorporated into the doom 3 engine?(if technically possible, i'm not a coder....i just level design...j/k) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Duoae]

Remember that portal technology is not hard to get working. It is what 3DR were doing with portal technology that was hard.

Red faction was a portal engine game..... there are probably many more.

[EDIT] Turns out Build was portal based (2D, but still portal) as does Decent 1

[Ras]

I dunno. Without the cool portal gags, as shown in the imhz '98 video . . . and on D3 tech . . . I dunno.



Let's wait for the unveiling for all of that. Who knows, we may all be blown away, portals or not.

[KaiserSoze]

o.k. how long before talon makes his first "dukish" comment towards "turok" in prey? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

hmmm i'm wondering about something but it's highly improbable.

joe said in one of the older prey threads that they wouldn't work on it or anything else until "duke nukem forever" was basically finished. now that 3dr farmed out prey, that looks improbable now. what do you guys think?

could 3dr give the biggest shock of the world at e3 and unveil "prey" then say "oh yeah, btw: duke nukem forever" is GOLD.

/dies

got dinosaurs? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kev_Hectic]

trackit said:

GryphonKlaw said:
Did anyone read Shacknews today? This is the title of the latest update: Prey to be Re-Revealed at E3.

Here is the article they link to:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/05/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm



i bet they took it from this thread, like they do with their news storys http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Bwa ha ha...

Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me if they did http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif . It's hilarious how this forum has become a "reliable news source" for most of these gaming sites/magazines.

But It would be nice if this news turned out to be true though....

[dark_angel]

Hey GB, Charlie, Stephen http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Parkar]

I don't think 3dr cares if they annouce more then one game close to each other. If DNF is close enough announcing Prey on e3 will probably not stop 3dr from annoucning DNF a month later or so. In short just becouse Prey is announced does not change anything on DNF.

[Ras]

Depends on how long ago it was said. Things change. Besides, Joe couldn't have predicted this long a development cycle for DNF.

[Kristian Joensen]

Duoae said:

Kristian Joensen said:
Duaoe, I found the quote on Human Heads webpage:

"Founded in 1997, Human Head began as a single-team development studio dedicated to creating the highest quality video and computer games. Since that time, the company has expanded to more than 35 veteran game developers across two teams."

Also if the rumor is true and it indeed is Prey wich I doubt and they indeed are using the Doom 3 engine for Prey and not just the other game(or not the oghet game at all) then maybe they and/or 3D Realms have added Prey's or similar portal tech to the Doom 3 engine.



They must have found an EXTREMELY complex and innovative way of doing that then. There certainly (as far as i understand BSP and Portal engines) will not be deformable geometry on the scale of the prey videos if it is BSP-based engine (which i'm pretty sure Doom 3 is). It has to do with the way the engine works out where things are. BSP creates a "tree" of the objects in the level upon compilation. This tree is referenced when the level is running. Portal engines work differently, allowing geometry to by modified. It's a bit like the difference between dynamic lights and lightmaps. One is static and the other is like in Doom 3.....



What I am saying Duoae, is that maybe they have changed the Doom 3 engine so much that it isn't bsp at all anymore.

[KaiserSoze]

dark_angel said:
Hey GB, Charlie, Stephen http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



yeah, you'd think they'd be working on dnf or something. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

must be lunch break.

who first guessed at "prey" in this thread?

congrats to them! (i wonder how underwear tastes.)

[Evil Angel]

A lot happen's here in a day http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Looks like Prey then. I was hoping for Duke as well http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Oh well Prey's definately the next best thing. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Evil Angel]

(i wonder how underwear tastes.)



/passes kaiser the salt http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Duoae]

Kristian Joensen said:
What I am saying Duoae, is that maybe they have changed the Doom 3 engine so much that it isn't bsp at all anymore.



Then you really wouldn't be using the same engine anymore and you have actually written a completely new one. Although engines are modular, there are certain "core" aspects. Being BSP or Octree or quadtree or Voxel or portal based is the corest of the core for an engine.....

There would be no point in licencing the doom 3 engine if they were going to change the basis of the whole engine. Doom 3 (and as far as i know) all modern BSP tree based engines use "half-portal techniques" and these are only measures that are taken to increase the speed of BSP:Tree-powered games.

[Parkar]

To me not DDNF is better since we already knew about DNF, now we "know" that there is more 3dr love on the way.

[Ras]

Heh. I feel they ought to give us a consolation DNF screenshot. "We gave you something really cool, but it wasn't the cool thing you thought it would be. So, here." So greedy. . . .

[KaiserSoze]

Evil Angel said:



(i wonder how underwear tastes.)



/passes kaiser the salt http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



i'll keep my word, i promise to post pictures.....that's not until e3 though.

they'd better not show dnf a day after e3 just so i eat my drawers. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i might go fire up the turok pc demo and get in some dino type hunting action.

[Duoae]

KaiserSoze said:

dark_angel said:
Hey GB, Charlie, Stephen http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



yeah, you'd think they'd be working on dnf or something. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

must be lunch break.

who first guessed at "prey" in this thread?

congrats to them! (i wonder how underwear tastes.)



It was Ronald McDonald, then you... then me.....

[Kristian Joensen]

I am still not convinced it is Prey.

I think it is the "Dark Harvest" projet.

I have not got the faintest idea about what the name of the project is.

But Joe said in the Daily Dementia interview that Prey was no secretly under development.

So it really can't be Prey.

About E3 has anyone from 3D Realms ever said that 3D Realms won't be going ?

I know they said that they won't be showing DNF at E3 but that doesn't mean that 3D Realms won't be going.

If the 3rd party game gets unveiled at E3, I would except atleast George and Scott to be their.

Maybe they are gonna annouce it before E3 give some info about it and they show some srceens and/or trailer(s) at E3.

[KaiserSoze]

Ras said:
Heh. I feel they ought to give us a consolation DNF screenshot. "We gave you something really cool, but it wasn't the cool thing you thought it would be. So, here." So greedy. . . .



either way, we win. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

if dnf isn't on the e3 agenda, so be it.

it's coming eventually. let's be happy for 3dr, human head and that we're gonna get "prey"! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Duoae]

Kristian Joensen said:
But Joe said in the Daily Dementia interview that Prey was no secretly under development.




Heh, the beauty of that comment is that they were never secretly developing Prey. Either way you look at it:

a) 3DR didn't develop it.
b) People knew about it since 2001/2, it was never officially a secret....

[Kristian Joensen]

I think this new franchise can be partly inspired by Prey.

But it is possible for a game/franchise to use Prey as a source of inspiration without it being Prey.


Duoae said:

Kristian Joensen said:
But Joe said in the Daily Dementia interview that Prey was no secretly under development.




Heh, the beauty of that comment is that they were never secretly developing Prey. Either way you look at it:

a) 3DR didn't develop it.
b) People knew about it since 2001/2, it was never officially a secret....



Duoae, neither Joe nor I mentioned anything about them not developing Prey.

Joe said that Prey was not in development at all.

We must remeber that I and you Prey guys don't disagree that much.

We both base our speculations partly on the Human Head rumors.

This game migth even have been Prey at one point.

[KaiserSoze]

kristian-i'm convinced it's prey.

though i still don't know what piece of information we kept looking over would have given it away. (which i presume this "information" was widely known).

was it the purchasing of the "prey" domain by 3dr the big clue? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Gryph]

Kristian Joensen said:
About E3 has anyone from 3D Realms ever said that 3D Realms won't be going ?



George has said so numerous times.

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Screw Prey and the horse he rode in on. I want DNF. I dont care what else 3DR is involved in, as long as it doesnt take 1 second of development time away from DNF. For god sakes get Duke Forever out the door before you do anything else!

[Kristian Joensen]

GryphonKlaw said:

Kristian Joensen said:
About E3 has anyone from 3D Realms ever said that 3D Realms won't be going ?



George has said so numerous times.



Are you absolutely sure hta he didn't word his comments cleverly to not exclude them from appearing at E3 but just them showing off DNF ?

[KaiserSoze]

GryphonKlaw said:

Kristian Joensen said:
About E3 has anyone from 3D Realms ever said that 3D Realms won't be going ?



George has said so numerous times.



exactly.

however, it's not stopping take 2 from going and who knows what they're going to show off. we know "prey" will most likely be one game.

take 2 does have quite a bit of floor space this year.

tim-i don't think any side deals at all have affected dnf and i'm pretty sure george has said so in the past. they have a dedicated team working on dnf and no outside influences effect it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Zorgblub]

It could be Prey, but in that case why this topic is still in the DNF forum ?
I want DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif(even if Prey would be a good game).

[Duoae]

Kristian Joensen said:
I think this new franchise can be partly inspired by Prey.

But it is possible for a game/franchise to use Prey as a source of inspiration without it being Prey.




Yes, if they've renamed it to Dark Harvest. However, Prey is the only trademarked game name out of those two. Talon Brave now seems to have become just Talon. Tommy Hawk seems to be a third character.... etc.
I think Dark Harvest is just the codename of the game. I doubt that 3dr would just throw away 5-6 years of hard work..... Not to mention story-development....




Duoae said:

Kristian Joensen said:
But Joe said in the Daily Dementia interview that Prey was no secretly under development.




Heh, the beauty of that comment is that they were never secretly developing Prey. Either way you look at it:

a) 3DR didn't develop it.
b) People knew about it since 2001/2, it was never officially a secret....



Duoae, neither Joe nor I mentioned anything about them not developing Prey.

Joe said that Prey was not in development at all.




Do i have to post this again?


TC: So... about in july you will probably release prey. You guys have secretly been developing that... right?

Joe: No we're not secretly developing Prey at all...




[EDIT]


It could be Prey, but in that case why this topic is still in the DNF forum ?
I want DNF (even if Prey would be a good game).




Because there is no Prey forum...... and i'm not sure i want one.... but there probably will be one at some point....

[Kristian Joensen]

Well that is not entirely correct but all the 3rd party games combined have only delayed DNF by about 6 months.

That includes this game, Max Payne, Max Payne 2: The Fall Of Max Payne, Duke Nukem Manhattan Project and all the other 3rd party Duke games.

That is a pretty good deal for the gamers, all those games in exchange for delaying DNF by 6 months.

[SyntaxN]

ahhh, cool, it´s Prey or what....
That really sucks, 3dr releases one of "their" games after another, but Duke can wait or what....
Not good..... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif
/me is extremely angry now http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Duoae said:

Kristian Joensen said:
I think this new franchise can be partly inspired by Prey.

But it is possible for a game/franchise to use Prey as a source of inspiration without it being Prey.




Yes, if they've renamed it to Dark Harvest. However, Prey is the only trademarked game name out of those two. Talon Brave now seems to have become just Talon. Tommy Hawk seems to be a third character.... etc



That is not what I meant, when I say I don't think this is Prey I don't mean they have simply renamed it.

I am just saying they could borrow some concepts from Prey even name Prey if they wanted to without it actually beeing Prey.

Are you sure you have quoted Joe correctly btw ?

You also have to look at the question/suggestion he was given.

[3D Master]

Duoae said:
Okay.

Linkage (http://atlas.secs.oakland.edu/~lcmatero/apogee/)

In retrospect, it was so obvious that it eluded me until today.... damnit! Why couldn't my stupid mind work faster?

Anyway, let me explain. "Lon" is a really old fan. 1996 days, maybe earlier, but the first activity i can quote is 1996 when he first made his site.

On that page he states several times that he thinks Prey is going to be re-announced - most notably due to the domain being bought and also the trademarks.

It's funny, his page started my research, but from there (and i didn't see the trademark section) i went round full-circle, only to come back to him and see that he had predicted the re-announcement of Prey, specifically after the domain was bought in december 2004.



But Joe said they will NOT go to E3. And if the 3d party developer is developing it and showing off at E3 then why 3DR said "unveiling OUR next game"??




Yes, and 3DRealms don't have to go to E3. It can still be a 3DR game, but since Take Two (publishing the game) are going to have 2 stands then i'm pretty sure that Human Head Studios can go alone....



Shit man, you guys do know what it means if this is true right? The hallmark of Prey was 4D portals, you can't have a Prey without it. Since I don't see human head building an entire engine from scratch, only doing minor tweaking with already existing code, possibly merging two things, it means HH got 3D Realms portal technology, which I can see happening in only ONE way:

DNF will ALSO have 4D portal technology.

Holy shit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Duoae]

SyntaxN. If DNF isn't ready, then it isn't ready. Remember they only recently got Liquid development on the case to make more 3d content..... if the singleplayer element is "finalised" due to them being on multiplayer then i don't think we'll have too long to wait anyway.

Besides, Prey was developed by a 3rd party. This means that although creative control and overview were probably ultimately controlled by 3DR there was very little other interactions.

Also, you have to remember: Prey and DNF will not, never ever released at the same time. That would be the worst thing possible. 3DR and Take Two would not want their two flagship games competing against each other.

My bet is on either:
a) Later summer release of Prey, Christmas release of DNF
or
b) Christmas release of Prey, Easter release of DNF.

How did you get to that 6 month figure Kristian? I've never seen anyone from 3DR say that releasing those games has slowed production of DNF.......

[Duoae]

3D Master said:
Shit man, you guys do know what it means if this is true right? The hallmark of Prey was 4D portals, you can't have a Prey without it. Since I don't see human head building an entire engine from scratch, only doing minor tweaking with already existing code, possibly merging two things, it means HH got 3D Realms portal technology, which I can see happening in only ONE way:

DNF will ALSO have 4D portal technology.

Holy shit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



I don't know. No, i wouldn't agree. From my research into how portal and BSP engines work, i know why the gates/portals in unreal, quake 3 etc. (basically teleporters) are not the same as those in the old Prey. A portal engine can modify where geometry is in the map. Therefore, when a "portal" (gate!) was opened, it became a physical attribute of the map when you were looking through it.... that was the "4-D" nature of Prey.... this can't be done (as i said, unless they have worked out something amazing!) using BSP engines with half-portal techniques.

[Kristian Joensen]

Scott said that somewhere.

But even if they where to release the games around the same(Wich you too, Duoae are suggesting) time they wouldn't have to have Prey like Portal technology in both of them.

Becuase it migth be the case that DNF as no use for such technology in its gameplay but the 3rd party game indeed has some gameplay uses for them.

I don't think the games will be that similar.


Duoae said:
Besides, Prey was developed by a 3rd party. This means that although creative control and overview were probably ultimately controlled by 3DR there was very little other interactions.



But you have to remember Duoae, that the 3rd party game according to the rumor unlike Max Payne started its life internally at 3D Realms.

I think this was when they restarted in 2002.

That way the programmers could much more easily make a inhouse engine for Prey because they where de facto making one for DNF.

They could reuse alot of DNF code, basicly everything except the part wich still are Epic code.

On top of that they could reuse some Prey code from either the Paul Schuytema and/or the Corinne Yu era.

I also once hear a rumor that 3D Realms brougth a 3rd party company in to make a engine for them kinda like the Liquid Development guys have done with models.

I.E 3D Realms not license but own the engine.

[Duoae]

Kristian Joensen said:

Duoae said:
Besides, Prey was developed by a 3rd party. This means that although creative control and overview were probably ultimately controlled by 3DR there was very little other interactions.



But you have to remember Duoae, that the 3rd party game according to the rumor unlike Max Payne started its life internally at 3D Realms.



Yes, and that was from 1995-1999 when development "stopped" and Corrine Yu left. And even then it changed around about 3 times.... changed from the ground up!

Maybe the transition to 3rd-party "Prey" was another ground-up change....



That way the programmers could much more easily make a inhouse engine for Prey because they where de facto making one for DNF.

They could reuse alot of DNF code, basicly everything except the part wich still are Epic code.

On top of that they could reuse some Prey code from either the Paul Schuytema and/or the Corinne Yu era.

I also once hear a rumor that 3D Realms brougth a 3rd party company in to make a engine for them kinda like the Liquid Development guys have done with models.

I.E 3D Realms not license but own the engine.




Yes, but they are reportedly using the Doom 3 engine. This is, again different from the Unreal engine. There may be bits of code that are "insertable" like renderers and stuff and there's no reason not to have the technology that 3DR have available to them in both games..... but for this game to have been made so quickly (and i think with a smaller team considering that the 35 people in HH are broken up into a "board game divison" and the rest spread between two games (if that is true)) that the amount of base modification to the engine must be relatively small.....

I suppose time will tell. I look forward to E3 with trepidation!

[Parkar]

I dont see were duke would have any use at all for it.

If I have understod it right the portal engine glues the level toghter using the portals. So you sort of have all this little pices of the map and "connect" them using portals. Basicaly everything is relative in some sence. I guess the innifinte lopo of space this can create is one of the reason things can get realy bitchy to work with especialy if the portals are moving round and being created and destroyed all the time.

[Duoae]

Parkar said:
I dont see were duke would have any use at all for it.

If I have understod it right the portal engine glues the level toghter using the portals. So you sort of have all this little pices of the map and "connect" them using portals. Basicaly everything is relative in some sence. I guess the innifinte lopo of space this can create is one of the reason things can get realy bitchy to work with especialy if the portals are moving round and being created and destroyed all the time.



Kinda, this (http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2151/portals.html) is a good, easy to understand article.

[Kristian Joensen]

Duoae said:

Kristian Joensen said:

Duoae said:
Besides, Prey was developed by a 3rd party. This means that although creative control and overview were probably ultimately controlled by 3DR there was very little other interactions.



But you have to remember Duoae, that the 3rd party game according to the rumor unlike Max Payne started its life internally at 3D Realms.



Yes, and that was from 1995-1999 when development "stopped" and Corrine Yu left. And even then it changed around about 3 times.... changed from the ground up!

Maybe the transition to 3rd-party "Prey" was another ground-up change....



Please reread my post, I edited it.

[SyntaxN]

SyntaxN. If DNF isn't ready, then it isn't ready. Remember they only recently got Liquid development on the case to make more 3d content.....


I know, I know, it was just a small virtual "accumulation" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
George said they´ve to do much high-poly models (1mio polys peer model if I´m right, means it´s an engine with much normalmapping imo), I think Liquid just creates normal npcs which are used to fill the levels...
Also Kaiser said that George said they will work with mp when the sp is mostly finished, and now they´re making mp-playtesting!

DOOM³ stuff: It was an very old interview, they talked about physics and the general tech of the engine! id mentioned that they can build (theoretical) something similar to geo-mod in, but they said that they won´t use it in DOOM³ but possibly in Quake 4! (It don´t seems so that they´re using it in Q4!)
And the thing with 4d engine and DNF, would be extremely cool, I´m going to read the dev-Journals later!

[3D Master]

Duoae said:

3D Master said:
Shit man, you guys do know what it means if this is true right? The hallmark of Prey was 4D portals, you can't have a Prey without it. Since I don't see human head building an entire engine from scratch, only doing minor tweaking with already existing code, possibly merging two things, it means HH got 3D Realms portal technology, which I can see happening in only ONE way:

DNF will ALSO have 4D portal technology.

Holy shit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



I don't know. No, i wouldn't agree. From my research into how portal and BSP engines work, i know why the gates/portals in unreal, quake 3 etc. (basically teleporters) are not the same as those in the old Prey. A portal engine can modify where geometry is in the map. Therefore, when a "portal" (gate!) was opened, it became a physical attribute of the map when you were looking through it.... that was the "4-D" nature of Prey.... this can't be done (as i said, unless they have worked out something amazing!) using BSP engines with half-portal techniques.



That is assuming they use the Doom3 engine. If Take 2 can screw up the Doom3 engine on DNF, it can, and ID can, screw up that HH/3DR uses the doom3 engine, and HH's ohter project is the Doom3 project one.

[3D Master]

Duoae said:

Parkar said:
I dont see were duke would have any use at all for it.

If I have understod it right the portal engine glues the level toghter using the portals. So you sort of have all this little pices of the map and "connect" them using portals. Basicaly everything is relative in some sence. I guess the innifinte lopo of space this can create is one of the reason things can get realy bitchy to work with especialy if the portals are moving round and being created and destroyed all the time.



Kinda, this (http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2151/portals.html) is a good, easy to understand article.



Except that those portals are tiny, primitive, nothing like the Prey engine portals. Prey was a step beyond everything else, their portals could move, change direction, change viewpoint, switch to other areas from one moment to the other.

[Parkar]

Duoae said:

Parkar said:
I dont see were duke would have any use at all for it.

If I have understod it right the portal engine glues the level toghter using the portals. So you sort of have all this little pices of the map and "connect" them using portals. Basicaly everything is relative in some sence. I guess the innifinte lopo of space this can create is one of the reason things can get realy bitchy to work with especialy if the portals are moving round and being created and destroyed all the time.



Kinda, this (http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2151/portals.html) is a good, easy to understand article.



Then I undrstod it correctly. Its abit hard to form in words though. Guess the transition when a character moves(being half way through it) trough a portal and creating portals on the fly anywere at any shape makes it a little more advanced then the 2d example. But it should essetialy be the same idea.

[Duoae]

3D Master said:

That is assuming they use the Doom3 engine. If Take 2 can screw up the Doom3 engine on DNF, it can, and ID can, screw up that HH/3DR uses the doom3 engine, and HH's ohter project is the Doom3 project one.



Exactly. I think we came to this decision before http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif That was when i postulated that the Preditor engine had been upgraded and was still being used - ie. a pure portal engine.

Then i moved onto the theory that D3 engine might have used parts of Prey technology (if it was true that it was licenced to id) and that the D3 engine is the modern iteration of Prey technology.... which might allow some of the portal tricks to be used.....

It's all one big crapshoot anyhoo..... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[EDIT]
Kristian, i edited my previous post.
Parker, you got it in one!

[SyntaxN]

If I´ve understood that right there are no portals in the prey engine, everything can be a (is) portal! And the whole portal in which you´re moving around can get changed dynamically, so you can have geo-mod and, and, and....

[Kristian Joensen]

Preditor was just the level editor not engine.

please don't turn this into a techincal dicussion of Por