April fools???

[Fat John]

KaiserSoze said:

CD Racing ZX6R said:

Tim. Just Tim. said:
Screw Prey and the horse he rode in on. I want DNF. I dont care what else 3DR is involved in, as long as it doesnt take 1 second of development time away from DNF. For god sakes get Duke Forever out the door before you do anything else!



Amen



i'm gonna cry man. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

human head's game is "prey".

3dr's is "duke nukem forever".

am i right?

/clicks gun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



If that is so, there's a decent possibility of seeing Prey at E3 according to what it said on Liquid's website about HH.

[crunchy superman]

But the cool thing about Prey was the tech. If that's gone, then what's to keep Prey from being another "meh" shooter?

[zwieback]

crunchysuperman said:
But the cool thing about Prey was the tech. If that's gone, then what's to keep Prey from being another "meh" shooter?



good point, let's see http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[CD Racing ZX6R]

crunchysuperman said:
But the cool thing about Prey was the tech. If that's gone, then what's to keep Prey from being another "meh" shooter?



Exactly.. And lets assume that hey... They do keep the tech in there and this game is totally ground breaking, one of a kind. Would it be wise to release a game like that before Duke Nukem? Assuming it would have better technology than Duke Nukem Forever?

I mean lets assume on a graphics level Duke Nukem Forever is the same as Prey, however Duke has the standard stuff like Half-life 2, physics and such. But Prey has this amazing engine hybrid, etc. Wouldnt you rather have Duke Nukem.. A game you have been working on for 10 years come out first since it might not be as technologically good as your other game Prey?

Next year, big year for Duke Nukem. I hope this is it. But I've been trolling here for years, and I've gotten my hopes up so much I'm trying hard to keep em down.

I got a feeling its prey. I got a feeling it might be more advanced that DNF. I got a feeling that would be a mistake.

[Spooger]

Human Head hasn't exactly had the greatest projects in the world. Prey - whatever it is now - might be a nice switch for them.

I don't think it's Prey. Just a hunch.

[crunchy superman]

Spooger said:
Human Head hasn't exactly had the greatest projects in the world.



Easy now - Rune kicked ass! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Spooger]

lol, Rune was a lot of fun. I'm just saying that we really don't know what to expect with them behind the wheel.

[SyntaxN]

That´s getting funny, even on the biggest german DOOM³ fansite there is a news about the "resurrection" of Prey!
They´re all believing too fast!

The "news" really spreads to fast over the whole internet, there are many people who are already believing that Prey gets shown... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Spooger]

I think I'm just going to 'prey' that we'll see DNF soon http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[St. Toxic]

Its a new Cosmo game.

[KaiserSoze]

one of the last things i can think of that it still may be dnf is that these kinds of threads are usually squashed pretty quickly by george after a page or 2.

he's always been pretty blunt with "it's not us guys"...."no"........"sorry".

someone told him to prove dnf isn't vaporware.......

and he said he's "gonna".

when? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

off to dreamland
no ghosts tonight

[3D Master]

CD Racing ZX6R said:

crunchysuperman said:
But the cool thing about Prey was the tech. If that's gone, then what's to keep Prey from being another "meh" shooter?



Exactly.. And lets assume that hey... They do keep the tech in there and this game is totally ground breaking, one of a kind. Would it be wise to release a game like that before Duke Nukem? Assuming it would have better technology than Duke Nukem Forever?

I mean lets assume on a graphics level Duke Nukem Forever is the same as Prey, however Duke has the standard stuff like Half-life 2, physics and such. But Prey has this amazing engine hybrid, etc. Wouldnt you rather have Duke Nukem.. A game you have been working on for 10 years come out first since it might not be as technologically good as your other game Prey?

Next year, big year for Duke Nukem. I hope this is it. But I've been trolling here for years, and I've gotten my hopes up so much I'm trying hard to keep em down.

I got a feeling its prey. I got a feeling it might be more advanced that DNF. I got a feeling that would be a mistake.



AH! But they never said it would come out before DNF. They just said they were going to unveil it!

[Simon Charles]

Another dead horse thread that's had the crap beaten out of it. Let it go already. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

[George Broussard]

Spooger said:
Human Head hasn't exactly had the greatest projects in the world. Prey - whatever it is now - might be a nice switch for them.


And before Max Payne, Remedy shipped Death Rally. And id's first game was a 2D side scroller.

Just sayin'.

[Ras]

I liked Rune, and Dead Man's Hand wasn't bad from what I played of it.

[Rider]

KaiserSoze said:

someone told him to prove dnf isn't vaporware.......

and he said he's "gonna".




no that someone said something to the effect of 3DR = Vaporware

George, good point http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I think that if it's Prey, then 3DR made sure it's not going to suck or disapoint everybody...

however if it's DNF... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[A_Llama]

I'm sure 3DR would want to unveil duke before HH unveils Prey. I think announcing another project will make people take them as even more of a joke.

[Spooger]

George Broussard said:

Spooger said:
Human Head hasn't exactly had the greatest projects in the world. Prey - whatever it is now - might be a nice switch for them.


And before Max Payne, Remedy shipped Death Rally. And id's first game was a 2D side scroller.

Just sayin'.



lol, I liked Death Rally http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I hope nobody misunderstood what I meant when I said Human Head hasn't had the greatest projects. I didn't mean they are a poor company at all, just that they didn't get a lot of absolutely great material to work with. Despite that, I loved Rune, and I look forward to what may very well be Prey http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Gamespot.com just posted a news article referring to that CNN post someone was talking about earlier -- news travels fast on the internet eh?

[Gamelore]

George Broussard said:
And before Max Payne, Remedy shipped Death Rally. And id's first game was a 2D side scroller.

Just sayin'.



Why bash Death Rally? Multiplayer RC Pro Am with blood and guns? Count me in!

Absolutely loved that game...

And chalk up another minor implication that it's Prey (in whatever form it is now).

[George Broussard]

Who bashed Death Rally? Stop putting words in my mouth.

[Evil Angel]

Ok everyone seems to be swinging towards Prey a bit more now and I was too but I came back to the comment by Charlie when he said we would probably figure it out in about a month and go "oh duh! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif".

I think he meant "oh duh! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" as in it was obvious all along. If that's the case then that doesn't seem to fit with Prey because we didn't have any firm clue's about it until this thread began. So it's not really the obvious choice that would make you go "oh duh! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" Only DNF fits that bill doesn't it?

[Bushido]

Wow...well 3DRealms, if it really is time for you to give birth to your baby then congratulations. It's been a long LONG road and I've been there with ya since the start (albeit in the bleachers for the past three years)....


...can't wait to see what you guys have worked so hard on... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[djmondy]

Prey apparently:
http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/05/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

[Bushido]

...interesting

[Spooger]

George Broussard said:
Who bashed Death Rally? Stop putting words in my mouth.



It probably stemmed from people misinterpreting my post http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Anyhow, I'm really guessing Prey here...but...for the love of God - this only reminds me how much I want to see Duke http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Make it a double whammy, guys http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

edit:

lonestar,

let us dream, bitch http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[lonestar]

hi, george.

i hope they got something special for us. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

huge announcements always get a bit more attention, so we'll probably see some ads in gaming mag's before e3 and a preview in one of the next game mag issues. i'm sure.

edit:

evilangel,

get over it. it isn't dnf. we still have to wait...

[EmperorZorn]

Game magazines said that 3drealms wants to bring PREY , an FPS based on the Doom 3 engine to the E3 this year.

These news were released today, April 6th 2005.

So I guess its this game they are talking about,
or a really good prank. Right George ?

[KaiserSoze]

Evil Angel said:
Ok everyone seems to be swinging towards Prey a bit more now and I was too but I came back to the comment by Charlie when he said we would probably figure it out in about a month and go "oh duh! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif".

I think he meant "oh duh! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" as in it was obvious all along. If that's the case then that doesn't seem to fit with Prey because we didn't have any firm clue's about it until this thread began. So it's not really the obvious choice that would make you go "oh duh! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" Only DNF fits that bill doesn't it?



this is exactly the same thing that's driving me crazy.

[Evil Angel]

edit:

evilangel,

get over it. it isn't dnf. we still have to wait...



You can't say that. None of us can say anything with any certainty except the guys at 3DR and I don't care what website says what. Haven't we always been told that if it doesn't come from the horses mouth then don't believe it? I'm not saying it definately isn't Prey or anything else just like I'm not saying it's definately DNF. What I am saying is we have hints to go on and those hints don't exactly fit with it being Prey.

[Ronald McDonald]

What I am saying is we have hints to go on and those hints don't exactly fit with it being Prey.



Oh yes it does.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

PERIOD!!!!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[tpz]

Get over it. It was you who jumped to the conclusion of the next game being DNF. Don't assume anything, just stick to the facts so you won't be dissapointed next time. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[KaiserSoze]

why did joe bump the sticky thread simply for a date change? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Evil Angel]

I dont see why everyone is so convinced it's Prey all of a sudden. Is it because of the articles? How many times have we read utter crap in those articles and been told not to believe it.

I'm not arrogant enough like some people seem to be here to thump their fist down and say with 100% certainty it's this or that. I'm just gunna wait and see. It could still be anything.

[FireFly]

It's Joe's way of saying that they're really showing DNF at E3.

[trackit]

KaiserSoze said:
why did joe bump the sticky thread simply for a date change? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



what thread? i dont quite follow... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

edit: oh, i got it!!!

[FireFly]

Evil Angel said:
I dont see why everyone is so convinced it's Prey all of a sudden. Is it because of the articles?


Well firstly there's Charlies hint :

"One of our oldest fans ever (I'm talking really really old, pre Duke 3D days) has predicted we'd be doing this a LOOOONG time ago"

Lon Matero is like the only long time 3DR fan that everybody knows.

Also, Lon's evidence is interesting in and of itself. I can't see 3DR spending $850,000 for a domain name (Prey.com) that they have no plan to use. Then there are all the rumours that Human Head is working on Prey or a Prey-like project. Then we have Scott claiming that they're working with a third party developer in the same way they worked for Remedy and we'll see an announcement in 2004 about it.

The CNN article just happened to turn up 'at the right time'. I'm sure it uses a completely new source.

[Kristian Joensen]

Look you guys I think that Charlie's "Duh" comment should be understood in the way that it wil be obivous once it is released not necesarrily know.

I also think that it is pretty obvious that this is the 3rd party game they are talking about and not DNF.

[SyntaxN]

why did joe bump the sticky thread simply for a date change?


Possibly he wants to "prepare" the DNF forum for something! A flood of newbs will come and they shouldn´t think that everything here is outdated http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Eclipse]

KaiserSoze said:
why did joe bump the sticky thread simply for a date change? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



If I remember correctly, with this forum software sticky threads will disspear after a certain length of time without a reply. It's probably just for that.

[lonestar]

KaiserSoze said:
why did joe bump the sticky thread simply for a date change? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



confused? yes!

does he think chances are higher people will read it, if it displays a newer date? maybe he wants to remind us of the "rules", because we started talking about "unveiling of dnf" again? ...

[Lon Matero]

I do seem to have quite a low member number...
I started digging stuff up in 2001 (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=apogee&Number=151168).

- Lon Matero

[Needle]

I still want, no, DEMAND it to be RotT 2, dammit.

[trackit]

But why Joe said that they are not going to E3 in a way like "why we even concidering it?" like "they are absolutly not interested in E3 events"


Huh? George has said before that we're not going to E3. This is not new news, as was correctly recalled by someone else up in this thread.




and now they proudly say like unveiling THEIR next game at E3??


its strange

[Kristian Joensen]

The 3rd party game is a new IP, so its not a sequel.


trackit said:
But why Joe said that they are not going to E3 in a way like "why we even concidering it?" like "they are absolutly not interested in E3 events"


Huh? George has said before that we're not going to E3. This is not new news, as was correctly recalled by someone else up in this thread.




and now they proudly say like unveiling THEIR next game at E3??


its strange



Look first the 3rd party game is "their" game, second don't have to reveal it at E3.

Its also possible for Human Head Studios to go to E3 without 3D Realms.

[Nacho]

You know we could stop speculating and just wait to see what it is.

Wait, not going to happen.

[Kristian Joensen]

That is no fun.

[Nacho]

Yeah, I just had to post in the thread. It was getting so big and there wasn't a single post from teh Nacho.

[lonestar]

thx, lon.

scott:
Can't really say anything about Tommy Hawk, though I can say 3D Realms is not developing a game with this name. We often get names and later drop them.

i think, he couldn't talk about it because they already were in contact with hh, who thought about renaming prey to tommy hawk as a kind of homage to 3drealms old plans of the game prey.

[scorpian007]

KaiserSoze said:

Evil Angel said:
Ok everyone seems to be swinging towards Prey a bit more now and I was too but I came back to the comment by Charlie when he said we would probably figure it out in about a month and go "oh duh! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif".

I think he meant "oh duh! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" as in it was obvious all along. If that's the case then that doesn't seem to fit with Prey because we didn't have any firm clue's about it until this thread began. So it's not really the obvious choice that would make you go "oh duh! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif" Only DNF fits that bill doesn't it?



this is exactly the same thing that's driving me crazy.



As much as I want it to be DNF, I don't think it is. I recently recall George saying:


We will not just appear one day and say 'DNF will be out in 3 months'. You can expect a reasonable amount of build up.

So please, don't try to interpret anything about a release date. We will keep you well in formed and there will be plenty of lead time.



We haven't really been informed of anything yet, but then again, this unveiling could be the start of it. Who knows. Either way I just hope this unveiling is worth all this http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

lonestar said:
thx, lon.

scott:
Can't really say anything about Tommy Hawk, though I can say 3D Realms is not developing a game with this name. We often get names and later drop them.

i think, he couldn't talk about it because they already were in contact with hh, who thought about renaming prey to tommy hawk as a kind of homage to 3drealms old plans of the game prey.



Maybe you are rigth but thinking about it is all they could do.

3D Realms are probaply gonna decide the name all their 3rd party products.

3D Realms wants to have full control over all the projects they a involved with.

Wheter they are inhouse or 3rd party.

[MeatWagon]

http://money.cnn.com/2005/04/05/commentary/game_over/column_gaming/index.htm

The show's biggest surprise, though, will likely be the revelation of "Prey". Gamers first heard of "Prey" in 1997. The game, originally about a Native American who fights several nefarious alien races, was thought to be cancelled, but quietly restarted a few years ago. The new version will use the "Doom 3" graphics engine and is said to be a visually striking title. There's no word on whether the story has changed.

3D Realms, makers of the popular "Duke Nukem" series, originally worked on "Prey," but word is they have handed development to a third party and are overseeing work on the game. Take Two Interactive Software (Research) is the likely publisher for the game, given its relationship with 3D Realms, but has not made any announcements.

[Duoae]

That's been posted and linked at least twice now...

[Evil Angel]

Lon Matero said:
I do seem to have quite a low member number...
I started digging stuff up in 2001 (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=apogee&Number=151168).

- Lon Matero




Hmmmm. That's a very interesting post and fits perfectly with the timeframe Charlie said. Looks like you could well be the "old fan" Charlie was talking about. Man I'm so confused http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif Anyways whatever it is, it seems we won't have too long to wait before we find out. We're getting something at least so w00t!

[MeatWagon]

Duoae said:
That's been posted and linked at least twice now...




Damn, I thought I had something first for once http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Yenz]

lonestar said:
thx, lon.

scott:
Can't really say anything about Tommy Hawk, though I can say 3D Realms is not developing a game with this name. We often get names and later drop them.

i think, he couldn't talk about it because they already were in contact with hh, who thought about renaming prey to tommy hawk as a kind of homage to 3drealms old plans of the game prey.


Well Tommy Hawk might be a character in the game, but it's a lame name imo. They would never rename Prey to something else. Prey is great game name imo.

[SyntaxN]

George made a post on shacknews about the Prey thing...



You can modify any engine to do damned near anything.


http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=9848806

[Yenz]

So is it confirmed that it's Human Head that's making the game? Because Dead Mans Hand had some similarities with Prey (some scenes reminded also on the Duke 98 E3 video). So Dead Mans Hand might be a canned version of HH;s try to make Prey with the Unreal engine (like Rune was a canned version of Daikatana 2) and then they changed to making Prey with Doom 3 engine instead and made a "new" game (DMH) out of the canned version of Prey.

It would explain this as Lon Matero spotted some time ago:

Before (might be a slip) http://atlas.secs.oakland.edu/~lcmatero/prey/talon_compare_small.jpg

Later
http://atlas.secs.oakland.edu/~lcmatero/prey/tejon_gold_small.jpg

[lonestar]

thanks, syntaxn! it would be too good to be true. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

yenz,
we're already one step ahead.

[Duoae]

SyntaxN said:
George made a post on shacknews about the Prey thing...



You can modify any engine to do damned near anything.


http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=9848806



Yeah, i saw that, but i figured that someone else would post it.
Being speculative though. As soon as i read that last night before going to sleep it made me think that they have included the "gate" technology into the Doom 3 engine.....

[Kristian Joensen]

Pesonally it bothers me a little bit if 3D Realms keeps licensing engines and then make so many modifications to them that is practictly is their own engien.

If they do this then why do they not just write a engine from scratch ?

That is what they are doing.

Considering Prey's original vision and George's comments that they should have written their own engine for DNF makes it hard for me to believe that they are using the Doom 3 engine, unless Id has agreed to legaly consider this a new engine.

They have done that with Source, Valve are licensing Source to 3rd parties even though it still contains some Quake 1 code.

Also, Id atleast allows them to license their modifications to other licensees.

[lonestar]

i just did a post in another thread, which joe deleted, suggesting, this thread should better get closed cause of some useless personal insults and i thought it would be the april fool's thread. that's actually no surprise, he? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

yes, that's what i thought, duoae. maybe they brought some of prey's features, what made it so special, to life again.

[lonestar]

Kristian Joensen said:
Considering Prey's original vision and George's comments that they should have written their own engine for DNF makes it hard for me to believe that they are using the Doom 3 engine, unless Id has agreed to legaly consider this a new engine.




i pointed this out a couple times in this thread.

wouldn't it be better for both hh and 3drealms if they used 3drealms mostly re-written unreal engine?!

also, i think id's [carmack's] engine's are very expensive. they are known for quality game engine's, and that costs...
devs probably often take other tech, cause they get them cheaper. hmm...

[Duoae]

lonestar said:
also, i think id's [carmack's] engine's are very expensive. they are known for quality game engine's, and that costs...
devs probably often take other tech, cause they get them cheaper. hmm...



That's assuming that the rumour i saw about carmack licencing the prey engine from 3DR wasn't true... If it is, then maybe 3DR came to an agreement with id to let them "re-lease" any developments made by id using the prey tech.....

Or of course, maybe they just payed the expensive money because that means that they "have" the engine for whatever purpose they want it for (as well as human head)..... now they have two modified engines, UnrealDuke and DoomPrey..... probably using some cross-over tech that 3DR have developed themselves...

[Jabba the Hutt]

In all these snippets from GB or Joe you can read all or nothing, depending on your phantasy. DNF? Prey? Crystal Caves 2? Keen Forever? We'll have no choice than to wait. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
But it's a light in the end of the tunnel to read anything about a new game on top of their site. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

PS: My assumption: DNF

[Kristian Joensen]

It isn't DNF.

[dark_angel]

DNF or not, at least we will see something from 3drealms this year! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Exactly that is the whole point of this.

I am pretty sure this game will great.

I am really hoping they reuse the portal technology.

[lonestar]

douae,
it's the second part of your post i talked about. hh licensed the doom3 engine, although it is very expensive, and i'm not so sure if an engine like this is the best for prey to create wide-open areas, and d3's eng. got more this dark touch good for creepy shooters like d3 and quake4. well, let's see... george made a positive comment regarding this on the shack, so... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

i want a game like duke again. with alot of action, huge, detailed areas, fighting people but also alien-type opponents.

can you explain the first part? do you mean the d3 engine is actually an upgraded prey engine, but that doesn't fit with part id's d3 engine [build up from the ground] is very expensive, like we know it from them?

[Kristian Joensen]

Duoae is infact suggesting that the Doom 3 engine is partly based on the Prey engine.

This is taken form Id Software homepage:

" Further, you get to keep the technology you create. We don’t ask that you give us your proprietary technology, which can stifle licensee innovation and creativity. If another of our licensees likes something that you come up with, we allow you to license your innovations to other licensees. [5] This allows licensees to build equity within their own modified engine, which they can license out or keep to themselves for use in future licensed titles. "

[trackit]

dark_angel said:
DNF or not, at least we will see something from 3drealms this year! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



actually i dont care anymore...

This banning (http://www.forumplanet.com/planetduke/topic.asp?fid=2212&tid=1632795) is little too offencive indeed IMO. Common, this is not the way to treat the fans... who have not given up (and still waiting for that game) for SO many years.

And to say we should all now how far away DNF is to not hope/think its DNF...damit, how we should know that? we dont know anything except WID and "area 51" so this is endeed pretty obvious what fans will think if they see such a remark on 3DR main page. Especially if 3DR have told that all the team is working on DNF!

And to ban a fan for that little remark?? i dont know... this is way too disrespectful!!
You know, most duke fans are not some little kids, but grown men by the way...

PS! I dont care if you ban me too... go ahead... i dont give a damn http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Why the negative attitude all of the sudden out of the blue ?

[trackit]

Kristian Joensen said:
Why the negative attitude all of the sudden out of the blue ?



i'm just little mad about that banning thing... he didnt do anything terrible you know

[Mr.Sociopath]

this thread is very big..and I'm making it bigger :P

[FireFly]

All these posts are going to die when Joe gets here.

[Vexed]

trackit said:

Kristian Joensen said:
Why the negative attitude all of the sudden out of the blue ?



i'm just little mad about that banning thing... he didnt do anything terrible you know

Is this about the rocket scientist who was all like "Faggot this, ***** you that?" Yeah I see no reason why he would be banned http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

That is for Joe to decide plus I suspect that he isn't giving us the full story, if you have a problem with Joe's moderation please take it to pm's.

Lets keep this thread on-topic.

[Ronald McDonald]

Who are you talking about....is it relevant for this discussion?

[trackit]

Ronald McDonald said:
Who are you talking about....is it relevant for this discussion?



read the link in my post...
and its relevant to our discussion too... cause its not DNF

[Ronald McDonald]

It just links to the Planet Duke forums and not some topic http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Vexed post explain this banning thing so know we can get back on topic.

Has anyone here hear any rumor about Human Head Studios other game ?

Is there anything to indicate that this is not Human Head Studios ?

[trackit]

Ronald McDonald said:
It just links to the Planet Duke forums and not some topic http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



sorry.... i fixed the link now...

[Vexed]

trackit said:

Ronald McDonald said:
Who are you talking about....is it relevant for this discussion?



read the link in my post...
and its relevant to our discussion too... cause its not DNF

If that's all the guy did there would be a lot more people banned from these forums that are still around.

[JackpotDen]

Told you so, prey based thingy, under new title. I bet that DNF will be there too.

[Vexed]

I bet that DNF will be there too.

Shall we say.. five pies? Home baked ones.

[Kristian Joensen]

Its somehow Prey based I don't think anyone doubts that at least not anymore.

But what must a game have inorder to be considered to BE Prey ?

If it has different story can it really be considered Prey ?

How about a different character, or both ?

What defines Prey(besides its tech) ?

[FireFly]

Don't reply to those posts because when stuff gets deleted an entire branch goes.

It looks like the unannounced game is scheduled for release in 2005.

HomeLAN - As we look ahead to 2005, what video or PC game that is currently scheduled to be released that year are you most looking forward to and why?

Tim Gerritsen - Ok, it's trite, I know, but I would have to say the game I'm working on right now, but for reasons I feel justified in saying. We've been in a virtual blackout on our current title since its inception and not being able to talk about it has been maddening, especially in light of what we have to offer. We just didn't want to fall into that trap of hyping things up way ahead of time. We'd rather show what we have when we are ready and have people evaluate it for what is right there on screen rather than promising the stars and falling short. I am ecstatic that we will soon pull the lid off of what we've had in the works for so long in the not too distant future. I can't wait. Just saying this much is already too much and will get me a world of trouble, so I'll just go back to being quiet about it for now.

[lonestar]

i doubt, this rumor is true. id know why they have carmack.. he's a genius in what he does. and they know he makes them the cash-cow, cause id earn a shit load of money through licensing their in-house engines. maybe, i'm not wrong if i say, it's their main source of revenue.

[Fat John]

Kristian Joensen said:
What defines Prey(besides its tech) ?



What the developers say and produce defines Prey.

[Kristian Joensen]

Who is Tim Gerritsen ?

[FireFly]

The Chairman / CEO.

[KaiserSoze]

Fat John said:

Kristian Joensen said:
What defines Prey(besides its tech) ?



What the developers say and produce defines Prey.



exactly.

imho, too much is being made of the "tech" concerning prey. it was cool but really.....i won't care if it's in or not.

as long as it kicks all kinds of ass(which i'm sure it will) there will be no problems.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

btw: unless george/3dr are under gag orders(which i don't think they would be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif ) i'm confident our supersleuths like ronald mcdonald(head of dnf beta testing) nailed the game as "prey".

can we get official confirmation?

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Of wich company, Human Head Studios ?

Kaiser all 3DR games kick all kinds of ass, both inhouse and 3rd party.

[Parkar]

this catched my eyes in the bann post.


Working with 3rd party developers has no effect on the progress of DNF. We would be in the same place in DNF right now if we had never worked with Remedy on Max Payne, and weren't working with another developer on the new project. So it doesn't hinder DNF's progress at all



looks like confirmation that it is indeed the project miller has mentioned. Its made by a 3rd party developer at least. And if its not a made up quote it rules out DNF.

[FireFly]

Of course.
http://www.humanhead.com/headcount.htm

[KaiserSoze]

Kristian Joensen said:

Kaiser all 3DR games kick all kinds of ass, both inhouse and 3rd party.



i never said they didn't. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Do you think Liquid Development know about the cooperation between 3D Realms and Human Head Studios ?

[KaiserSoze]

Kristian Joensen said:
Do you think Liquid Development know about the cooperation between 3D Realms and Human Head Studios ?



absolutely. why wouldn't liquid know that 3dr's property is being worked on by human? if they didn't, communication is seriously lacking.

[Kristian Joensen]

How do you figure that ?

How do the people at Human Head Studios, 3D Realms and especially Liquid Development keep their mouth shot and for so long ?

I really admire them for not leaking anything whatsoever.

[FireFly]

Yes. I mean they know when we'll be seeing the game, so it's very likely they've been given insider knowledge.

Edit: wait, the "Check back around E3 2005!" is new isn't it?

[Zorgblub]

Now it's pretty sure that the game wich will be unveiled is Prey, but I think the game will not be out soon. As we know, the Doom3 engine is more advanced than Unreal 2 tech. It would certainly be a bad operation for 3D Realms to ship a game with better graphics before their "so long awaited" DNF.
My theory is that Prey will be shown at E3 but will ship WID and DNF will be shown later this year but will be out before Prey, maybe at the end of the year.

@Firefly : no it's not new.

[KaiserSoze]

Kristian Joensen said:
How do you figure that ?

How do the people at Human Head Studios, 3D Realms and especially Liquid Development keep their mouth shot and for so long ?

I really admire them for not leaking anything whatsoever.



it's called "non-disclosure agreement" n.d.a.

they probably can all talk to each other about the game but that's it. you absolutely would need communication between all parties to make the game, otherwise it'd be like putting a jigsaw puzzle together in the dark.

it's "prey".

110% positive it is. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[KaiserSoze]

FireFly said:
Yes. I mean they know when we'll be seeing the game, so it's very likely they've been given insider knowledge.

Edit: wait, the "Check back around E3 2005!" is new isn't it?



nope. that statement has been there since it was put up.

[NutWrench]

The show's biggest surprise, though, will likely be the revelation of "Prey". Gamers first heard of "Prey" in 1997. The game, originally about a Native American who fights several nefarious alien races, was thought to be cancelled, but quietly restarted a few years ago. The new version will use the "Doom 3" graphics engine and is said to be a visually striking title. There's no word on whether the story has changed.



This would be very cool, if there's any truth to it. The Doom 3 engine is a great choice for an atmospheric, moody, sci-fi kind of game.

[Parkar]

We don't now how advanced DNF is at the moment visualy. And Thats pretty much what makes doom3 engine more advanced then ue2.

[Kristian Joensen]

DNF has got its own renderer it doesn't use hte stock UE2 rendered actually the only Unreal Engine subsystems that 3DR use are the leveleditor and the netcode.

DNF as 100% full support for Directx 9 as I am sure the Human Head game has if it uses Directx at all.

If they use OpenGL for the 3rd party game I am sure they support the OpenGL equivalent to DirectX 9's feature set.

[jet jaguar 2.0]

I don't know. After reading more about Prey's premise and 'portal' technology(still fuzzy about the big deal over this) I'm not overly anxious to see or play it. However DNF is another story.

[KaiserSoze]

Parkar said:
We don't now how advanced DNF is at the moment visualy. And Thats pretty much what makes doom3 engine more advanced then ue2.



well george has commented that when they ship "dnf", it will be visually competitive with other games at the time.

that to me means it has minimum doom 3/hl2 type graphics.

[Kristian Joensen]

What I don't understand is what is the big difference between inhouse and 3rd party game development wich means that 3DR can handle more than one game in total so long as only one of them is inhouse ?

Do you guys think they will reuse any of the Prey tech in this game considering George's quote about how you can modify engines ?

[dark_angel]

Prey vs DNF, anyone? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[KaiserSoze]

Kristian Joensen said:
What I don't understand is what is the big difference between inhouse and 3rd party game development wich means that 3DR can handle more than one game in total so long as only one of them is inhouse ?

Do you guys think they will reuse any of the Prey tech in this game considering George's quote about how you can modify engines ?



i think george's quote is an indication the portal tech *MAY* be in. (this is my opinion only)

it'd be much, much simpler for human head to simply send george and crew builds, level design, etc and check off on them rather than coding and making everything from scratch, wouldn't it?

kinda like how george lucas makes his star wars films. he has all his departments working on various stuff and then comes around to stamp the stuff he likes. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[KaiserSoze]

dark_angel said:
Prey vs DNF, anyone? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif



dude, that would be sweet.

then we can have bombshell in there for the menage a' trois http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

KaiserSoze said:

FireFly said:
Yes. I mean they know when we'll be seeing the game, so it's very likely they've been given insider knowledge.

Edit: wait, the "Check back around E3 2005!" is new isn't it?



nope. that statement has been there since it was put up.



Where is that statement ?

[KaiserSoze]

Kristian Joensen said:

KaiserSoze said:

FireFly said:
Yes. I mean they know when we'll be seeing the game, so it's very likely they've been given insider knowledge.

Edit: wait, the "Check back around E3 2005!" is new isn't it?



nope. that statement has been there since it was put up.



Where is that statement ?



http://liquiddevelopment.com/

by the human head logo:
HoLY S#!T!!
That's what you would be saying if we could show you the dozen characters with normal maps that we created for Human Head Studio's undisclosed project. We are incredibly proud of this work, and we are eager to share samples. Check back around E3 2005!

[FireFly]

Kristian Joensen said:
What I don't understand is what is the big difference between inhouse and 3rd party game development wich means that 3DR can handle more than one game in total so long as only one of them is inhouse ?

Do you guys think they will reuse any of the Prey tech in this game considering George's quote about how you can modify engines ?


3rd party development is just creative involvement, 3DR aren't making the game. So I'd imagine Scott and George would use some of their free time to oversee the project.

Then other members of the team would probably join some of the brain storming sessions or test the gameplay periodically. Nothing like the resource strain of actually developing a title.

I hope the Doom 3 engine is heavily modified, if that's what they're using. It has several shortcomings like an extremely limited specularity system, and limited A.I. Portal tech, from what I understand of the Prey engine was implimented at the geometry level, so to support this the modifications to the Doom 3 engine would have to be extensive.

[dark_angel]

KaiserSoze said:

then we can have bombshell in there for the menage a' trois http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



bien sure! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

As the engine modification have been in DNF.

Why can't 3D Realms manage inhouse development like they do with 3rd party games ?

They could have the same relationship with another 3D Realms team with George and Scott overseeing development.

What do you make of the rumor that this game started inhouse ?


KaiserSoze said:

Kristian Joensen said:

KaiserSoze said:

FireFly said:
Yes. I mean they know when we'll be seeing the game, so it's very likely they've been given insider knowledge.

Edit: wait, the "Check back around E3 2005!" is new isn't it?



nope. that statement has been there since it was put up.



Where is that statement ?



http://liquiddevelopment.com/

by the human head logo:
HoLY S#!T!!
That's what you would be saying if we could show you the dozen characters with normal maps that we created for Human Head Studio's undisclosed project. We are incredibly proud of this work, and we are eager to share samples. Check back around E3 2005!



I knew about that.

[KaiserSoze]

Kristian Joensen said:

KaiserSoze said:

FireFly said:
Yes. I mean they know when we'll be seeing the game, so it's very likely they've been given insider knowledge.

Edit: wait, the "Check back around E3 2005!" is new isn't it?



nope. that statement has been there since it was put up.



Where is that statement ?



kaisersoze wrote:


http://liquiddevelopment.com/

by the human head logo:
HoLY S#!T!!
That's what you would be saying if we could show you the dozen characters with normal maps that we created for Human Head Studio's undisclosed project. We are incredibly proud of this work, and we are eager to share samples. Check back around E3 2005!



kristian wrote:

i knew about that



/shoots self. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Yenz]

HoLY[/Email] S#!T!!
That's what you would be saying if we could show you the dozen characters with normal maps that we created for Human Head Studio's undisclosed project. We are incredibly proud of this work, and we are eager to share samples. Check back around E3 2005!



Never believe in romours or???
Anyone remember this one a few years back (3 years to be correct).
From Evil avatar (March 22, 2002):


Prey Still Alive?
Tantalizing web rumors hint that 3D Realms' failed FPS may still yet walk the Earth.
March 12, 2002 - Prey, its very name is the definition of vaporware, and is even perhaps responsible for a lot of the Duke Nukem nay saying. You see, Prey was to be 3D Realms' grand first-person shooting triumph. What it promised to sport in 1997 was a new engine with better than Unreal looks, Max Payne radiosity lighting, and Red Faction environmental interactivity.
It was only after sometime that the reality of lacking technology sunk in and Prey, along with its Turok reminiscent story of a Native American gone alien abductee superhero was axed. From then, DNF was put in full swing, and has still yet to arrive, leading conspiracy theorist gamers with way too much time on their hands to always expect the worst.
However, in 1999, 3D Realm's George Broussard made it abundantly clear that the title was still in some way, shape, or form being developed, but that it should not be expected anytime soon. Despite this, and all the other hype surrounding the title, it seemed Prey eventually wound up on the dreaded backburner (insert Prey falling prey pun here).
That was then... This is now.
Web rumor (as wonderfully reliable as it is) suggests the game has perhaps risen from the dead by the helping hand of Rune's own Human Head Studios. Further speculation cites the latest in Doom technology to be the likely power behind this prey's second wind.
All parties rumored to be involved are obviously tightlipped (the terribly sad norm in this industry). We'll be back with more details if further information arises substantiating or debunking this rumor.

[FireFly]

They could do, but I'd imagine they don't want to expand their team or increase their overhead. As it is they can easily pick up or dump projects. If they want to oversee 2 3rd party games they can do. If the next year, they want to pick one entirely different project, they can do.

[The Gentle Ruffian]

Hi Guys,

I think that Prey may be one of the biggest games ever made as it has had enormous potential.

At the same time, their decision to go for Prey first makes me feel we are unlikely to see DNF going gold in 2005/late 2006. It seems the DNF project may even be either a marketing strategy (never to be out) or the last FPS to be ever made (too good to match - let's scrap the genre http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif. If the latter is true, I would think they have decided to go for Prey to make fans occupied and switch into U3 in the meantime.

So many gentle people on these forums tend to forget it is all about business. Views?

Thank you. My best regards to all fellow fans out there and 3DR staff.

[Kristian Joensen]

They are funding their 3rd party games.

On inhouse games they get all the royalties but these have to be shared on 3rd party games..

Btw, has Human Head annouced the other game they are working on ?

[Kev_Hectic]

jet jaguar 2.0 said:
I don't know. After reading more about Prey's premise and 'portal' technology(still fuzzy about the big deal over this) I'm not overly anxious to see or play it. However DNF is another story.



This has probably been posted in this thread before, but here's the E3 video of Prey from '98 that should give you an idea of what the game was going to be like. The video is rather low quality but it shows off quite a few cool things that haven't really been done in FPS's yet...

http://www.imhz.com/videos/Prey_E3_1998_IMHz.avi

[KaiserSoze]

you guys have probably already seen this thread: http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/sh...vc=1#Post818736 (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=818736&page=0&vc=1#Post818736)

to me, it totally confirms the game being "prey". http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

it'll be released in the 10th anniversary year of prey's development apparently.

hmmm....sounds familiar...

[ryche]

So Dead Mans Hand might be a canned version of HH;s try to make Prey with the Unreal engine (like Rune was a canned version of Daikatana 2)



Rune was a 3d person game. How was it anything like Diakatana or a sequel of it....

Have you even played Rune ?

[Kristian Joensen]

KaiserSoze said:
you guys have probably already seen this thread: http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/sh...vc=1#Post818736 (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=818736&page=0&vc=1#Post818736)

to me, it totally confirms the game being "prey". http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

it'll be released in the 10th anniversary year of prey's development apparently.

hmmm....sounds familiar...



Kaiser that thread and Lon's site are ancient in my opinion.

Also what do you make about what Joe said on Daily Dementia ?

[KaiserSoze]

The Gentle Ruffian said:

So many gentle people on these forums tend to forget it is all about business. Views?

Thank you. My best regards to all fellow fans out there and 3DR staff.



it is a business first and foremost.

why do you think 3dr is using the dnf forum to start the massive hype campaign, we're the best! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

just wait until dnf is close. i already have some ideas i'm gonna do. i'm going to take my camcorder around to weird places and ask people if they've ever heard of duke nukem. i'm gonna hit a few gay bars and ask that too. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[KaiserSoze]

Kristian Joensen said:

KaiserSoze said:
you guys have probably already seen this thread: http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/sh...vc=1#Post818736 (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=818736&page=0&vc=1#Post818736)

to me, it totally confirms the game being "prey". http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

it'll be released in the 10th anniversary year of prey's development apparently.

hmmm....sounds familiar...



Kaiser that thread and Lon's site are ancient in my opinion.

Also what do you make about what Joe said on Daily Dementia ?



which daily dementia? listening to joe talk is like listening to chalk squeeking on chalkboard.

[FireFly]

Kristian Joensen said:
They are funding their 3rd party games.

On inhouse games they get all the royalties but these have to be shared on 3rd party games..



Right, but they don't have to worry about financing and housing an extra team. I assume they're not paying most of the development costs.

Also, I don't think they're doing this just as some money making excercise. They're trying to promote the developer, developer model as opposed to the publisher, developer model.

[Yenz]

ryche said:

So Dead Mans Hand might be a canned version of HH;s try to make Prey with the Unreal engine (like Rune was a canned version of Daikatana 2)



Rune was a 3d person game. How was it anything like Diakatana or a sequel of it....

Have you even played Rune ?



Yes one of my favourite games, and I'm 99% sure it was to be Daikatana 2, also it can be played as a first person, but the game is made to be 3dr person, becasue of all the hand combat weapons.

Edit..
Found it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif (source (http://www.planetdaikatana.com/dk2/#IV.8))

In an interview, Human Head co-founder Shane Gurno said, "When Daikatana 2 was canceled, Epic was incredibly nice and let us use the Unreal engine even though we didn't have any contracts with any publishers." They would use this license to develop Rune.

[Kristian Joensen]

Yes I definetly agree with that for 3D Realms the millions is side bonus to the art.

3D Realms paid 3 out 4 million $ of Max Payne's development cost.

The rest was an advance from Rockstar to Remedy, 3D Realms's money was not an advance.


Yenz said:

ryche said:

So Dead Mans Hand might be a canned version of HH;s try to make Prey with the Unreal engine (like Rune was a canned version of Daikatana 2)



Rune was a 3d person game. How was it anything like Diakatana or a sequel of it....

Have you even played Rune ?



Yes one of may favourit games, and I'm 99% sure it was to be Daikatana 2, also it can be played as a first person, but the game is made to be 3dr person, becasue of all the hand combat weapons.



Rune is an extraordinary good game, where have you got the information from that it was originaly Daikatana 2 ?

Edited:

What has Daikatana 2 got to do with Epic Games ?

[The Gentle Ruffian]

Thank you, Kaiser. I appreciate your drive, determination, and in-house knowledge http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

At the same time, 3DR is a company as all the others. Their primary objective is to make money. There is nothing wrong about it.

The thing is: in today's world marketing is getting more and more complex. 3DR (as you probably know) may be using DNF to attract people to their products. I do not know if it is true (you know better).

Greetings,
Ruffian

[Yenz]

What has Daikatana 2 got to do with Epic Games ?


Epic has the licence of the Unreal engine http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[trackit]

KaiserSoze said:
you guys have probably already seen this thread: http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/sh...vc=1#Post818736 (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=818736&page=0&vc=1#Post818736)

to me, it totally confirms the game being "prey". http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

it'll be released in the 10th anniversary year of prey's development apparently.

hmmm....sounds familiar...




in that case you dont have to wait for e3... and start to eat... well you know what i mean... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[KaiserSoze]

The Gentle Ruffian said:
Thank you, Kaiser. I appreciate your drive, determination, and in-house knowledge http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

At the same time, 3DR is a company as all the others. Their primary objective is to make money. There is nothing wrong about it.

The thing is: in today's world marketing is getting more and more complex. 3DR (as you probably know) may be using DNF to attract people to their products. I do not know if it is true (you know better).

Greetings,
Ruffian



i'm totally confident that duke nukem forever is an actual game being worked on by 3drealms and that it will in fact be shown sometime this year. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Epic owns the Unreal Engine.

I know that, but how come they somehow where developing Daikatana 2 ?

[FireFly]

Human Head were employed to make Daikatana 2. The game was cancelled but they still had the engine license. Epic let them keep it, and that game turned into Rune.

[Yenz]

Kristian Joensen said:
Epic owns the Unreal Engine.

I know that, but how come they somehow where developing Daikatana 2 ?


No they weren't developing anything, they just had the engine. Human Head made Daikatana 2 (started before Dakatana 1 was released), and Human Head used Unreal Engine because Daikatana 2 was going to use that engine (I think it was Romeros idea. He also told George that the Unreal engine was better than Quake 2 engine, so that's a little thing why 3dr changed changed from Q2 to Unreal for DNF. I think, anyway).

[The Gentle Ruffian]

I'm totally confident that duke nukem forever is an actual game being worked on by 3drealms and that it will in fact be shown sometime this year. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[/QUOTE]

You are probably right but please pay much more attention to marketing tricks out (in) there.

My best regards,
Ruffian

[Kristian Joensen]

Okay, so the publisher had taken Daikatana 2 from Ion Storm.

That is one of the benefit for companies like 3D Realms that can never happen.

3D Realms has extended this benefit to Remedy and are now extending it to Human Head Studios.

[Ronald McDonald]

btw: unless george/3dr are under gag orders(which i don't think they would be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif ) i'm confident our supersleuths like ronald mcdonald(head of dnf beta testing) nailed the game as "prey".

can we get official confirmation?

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



What's a supersleuth http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif.....and yes I have the DNF Beta http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[JackpotDen]

KaiserSoze said:
i'm totally confident that duke nukem forever is an actual game being worked on by 3drealms and that it will in fact be shown sometime this year. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



June/e3

[SyntaxN]

Everything we had seen from Prey were tech-demos, no actuall gameplay! Only 3dr (and HH?) knows what should go on in the game, but the portal tech isn´t just another feature that you can add too your engine, it´s a fully different way to render the picture you can see on your screen!
I think, Prey with DOOM³ tech=not the Prey everyone knows!

[Kristian Joensen]

Nothing is sotpping them from rewrinting most of the engine to fit with portal technology.

[Gryph]

Kristian Joensen said:
Nothing is sotpping them from rewrinting most of the engine to fit with portal technology.


Yes, that's so true. And also, an engine is more than just the graphics, perhaps they are using other parts of the Doom III engine and added their portal technology to it. That would be badass. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[SyntaxN]

Nothing is sotpping them from rewrinting most of the engine to fit with portal technology.


I think the hardest part of an engine is the rendering device, and imo you can´t modify the existing one, you´ve to write a new one! I think the file system can´t be the same, the editor and, and, and.... why shouldn´t they use their own engine?

[Kristian Joensen]

They have written their own renderer for DNF, why not this game ?

[DorDuke82]

So if its really Prey then there is at least one Hope for the die hard Duke Fans - they can't show Prey without at least mentioning or commenting on Duke Nukem Forever.
And if it is Prey we can look towards to another kick-ass FPS Game in the Future - we didn't get much good FPS Games in the last 2 years.
-> and with FEAR,Pariah,Quake4,Stalker,DNF and Prey we have some Pearls to look forward to.

[Evil Angel]

-> and with FEAR,Stalker,Paiah,Quake4,Stalker,DNF and Prey we have some Pearls to look forward to.



That's a nice looking list. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Yeah indeed.

Btw, how are we supposed to find out if we have guessed correctly ?

[Ronald McDonald]

Wait and see http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Ras]

listening to joe talk is like listening to chalk squeeking on chalkboard



Joe was about to send you an e-mail inviting you to 3DR HQ to get a good look at DNF at their expense, but he just sent the mail to the trash bin. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Ronald McDonald said:
Wait and see http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I am way too impatient for that.

[RedSplat]

P.S. Keep your eyes open for the unveiling of our next game very soon. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I wonder if the person who decided to write that on the frontpage regrets typing it now. And goes like: http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Should 'they' have known a (over)reaction as seen in this thread would follow?

Was the message spontanious or is it part of a strategy? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[FireFly]

DorDuke82 said:
we didn't get much good FPS Games in the last 2 years.


We got: UT2004, Chronicles of Riddick, Doom 3, Far Cry, Halo, Call of Duty.

[Fat John]

Kristian Joensen said:

Ronald McDonald said:
Wait and see http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I am way too impatient for that.



Tough.

[Ronald McDonald]

That's why I check this thread every half hour.....I'm dying for a good new fps http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[KaiserSoze]

RedSplat said:
P.S. Keep your eyes open for the unveiling of our next game very soon. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I wonder if the person who decided to write that on the frontpage regrets typing it now. And goes like: http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Should 'they' have known a (over)reaction as seen in this thread would follow?

Was the message spontanious or is it part of a strategy? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif



charlie told me they sat around and talked over exactly how that blurb should be written.

while i think it's cool that it's "prey"....you gotta think some fans are gonna be majorly bummed it's not duke. i hope they have the tear gas and water cannons ready. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[KaiserSoze]

FireFly said:

DorDuke82 said:
we didn't get much good FPS Games in the last 2 years.


We got: UT2004, Chronicles of Riddick, Doom 3, Far Cry, Halo, Call of Duty.



call of duty 2 is coming too.

/salivates.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Gryph]

I'm just glad that something is being released by 3DRealms. It's been too long. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Vivi]

don't change the subject, Kaiser. you still have to eat your underwear.

[Parkar]

DorDuke82 said:
So if its really Prey then there is at least one Hope for the die hard Duke Fans - they can't show Prey without at least mentioning or commenting on Duke Nukem Forever.
And if it is Prey we can look towards to another kick-ass FPS Game in the Future - we didn't get much good FPS Games in the last 2 years.
-> and with FEAR,Pariah,Quake4,Stalker,DNF and Prey we have some Pearls to look forward to.



To me the dry period in fps games since the unreal/hl1 days (98-99) stoped last year when farcry was released. since then we have had a bunch of good fps games. Nad theres a long list of more nice fps games. Infact haven't been able to finnish all games I wanted to in 2004.

edit: To stay on topic, There is no way kasier is getting away from his upcomming meal.

[DorDuke82]

FireFly said:

DorDuke82 said:
we didn't get much good FPS Games in the last 2 years.


We got: UT2004, Chronicles of Riddick, Doom 3, Far Cry, Halo, Call of Duty.


If you dont count WWII and Vietnam Shooters (wich i cant see anymore and arent really fun to play) we have Tron2.0,Doom3,FarCry,UT2004,Chronicles of Riddick and maybe HL2 (but that was why to overhyped and a hate it or love it Game - me being the first one).
Thats not really much for 2 Years if you look at other Game-Genres.

[FireFly]

The worst dry period was 2001. That would have been the perfect year for a DNF release.

[Parkar]

DorDuke82 said:

FireFly said:

DorDuke82 said:
we didn't get much good FPS Games in the last 2 years.


We got: UT2004, Chronicles of Riddick, Doom 3, Far Cry, Halo, Call of Duty.


If you dont count WWII and Vietnam Shooters (wich i cant see anymore and arent really fun to play) we have Tron2.0,Doom3,FarCry,UT2004,Chronicles of Riddick and maybe HL2 (but that was why to overhyped and a hate it or love it Games - me being the first one).
Thats not really much for 2 Years if you look at other Game-Genres.



But its way more then I can play through in one year. And more then the years before it.

Edit: Seems like 2004-2006 may be the new 96-98.

[lonestar]

i think you forgot a little game, not that you forgot the most important onehttp://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif, but...

half life 2?!?! maybe? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


DorDuke82 said:
hate it or love it Game - me being the first one).




hl2?. no way! it offers so much good aspects and got an awesome response of the community and game mags. look at the ratings, in general they all had the same opinion about it.

[FireFly]

If you dont count WWII and Vietnam Shooters (wich i cant see anymore and arent really fun to play) we have Tron2.0,Doom3,FarCry,UT2004,Chronicles of Riddick and maybe HL2 (but that was why to overhyped and a hate it or love it Games - me being the first one).
Thats not really much for 2 Years if you look at other Game-Genres.



Why did I forget HL2? Anyway, it seems that for most people that was either a love it, or a "it's ok" game. You're the first person I know to hate it. But in any case, 2004 was a much better year.

[DorDuke82]

The only reason why i "hate" hl2 (i dont really hate the game itself) is why too many people were going like "whoa its the best FPS ever" - its definetly not - its a straight and linear Shooter fun for the first time you play it but there is no replay-value wich seems to be a main Problem in many modern FPS Games and to not go too Off-Topic: Hopefully DNF and maybe even Prey will be different in that way - at least i play Duke3D every now and then mostly for the fun of it is playing this game.

[Kristian Joensen]

I can't seem to find anything about this game on Google.

Certainly not anything to back up the CNN article about it beeing unveiled at E3.

Has anybody found anything ?

[Spooger]

Kristian Joensen said:
I can't seem to find anything about this game on Google.

Certainly not anything to back up the CNN article about it beeing unveiled at E3.

Has anybody found anything ?



I'd think it was insider information that led to that article, but there's no way to be sure.

[tony]

Charlie said:
One of our oldest fans ever (I'm talking really really old, pre Duke 3D days) has predicted we'd be doing this a LOOOONG time ago.




Lon Matero said:
Anyways, this year we shall celebrate the 10th year of Prey's development and perhaps I will be proved correct!



hmm... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Spooger said:

Kristian Joensen said:
I can't seem to find anything about this game on Google.

Certainly not anything to back up the CNN article about it beeing unveiled at E3.

Has anybody found anything ?



I'd think it was insider information that led to that article, but there's no way to be sure.



Why is it that apparently nobody else has posted about this except Shacknews and VoodoExtreme ?

[MegaMustaine]

Been a dry period for fps since the big 3 of SW, Blood, and Duke 3d. Also nice to see that they unlocked this thread. Strange that they locked it in the first place ...........

[Spooger]

Well, Gamespot is also following the developments, albeit from a distance. I don't know -- it's too sure of a bet given all that's happened that the info is accurate, but how it was that all of this first came to be established I have no idea.

MegaMuistane -- I believe it was mentioned by George elsewhere that Joe just got a little trigger happy http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

edit: Gamespot article link --> http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/04/05/news_6121740.html

Nothing new, but they seem sold on the idea.

[Kristian Joensen]

Have you got any link ?

[FireFly]

Kristian Joensen said:
Why is it that apparently nobody else has posted about this except Shacknews and VoodoExtreme ?


Blue's News did, Eurogamer did, Gamespot did, Evil Avatar did...

[Kristian Joensen]

This time around ?

About the CNN rumors ?

How did you find those articles ?

Have you got any links ?

[MegaMustaine]

Yeah just saw what George said. I'm gonna start calling this thread the "Hype Machine" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[FireFly]

Go to their main pages and search for Prey.

[BioHazard]

Yenz said:


Prey Still Alive?
Tantalizing web rumors hint that 3D Realms' failed FPS may still yet walk the Earth.
March 12, 2002 - Prey, its very name is the definition of vaporware, and is even perhaps responsible for a lot of the Duke Nukem nay saying. You see, Prey was to be 3D Realms' grand first-person shooting triumph. What it promised to sport in 1997 was a new engine with better than Unreal looks, Max Payne radiosity lighting, and Red Faction environmental interactivity.
It was only after sometime that the reality of lacking technology sunk in and Prey, along with its Turok reminiscent story of a Native American gone alien abductee superhero was axed. From then, DNF was put in full swing, and has still yet to arrive, leading conspiracy theorist gamers with way too much time on their hands to always expect the worst.
However, in 1999, 3D Realm's George Broussard made it abundantly clear that the title was still in some way, shape, or form being developed, but that it should not be expected anytime soon. Despite this, and all the other hype surrounding the title, it seemed Prey eventually wound up on the dreaded backburner (insert Prey falling prey pun here).
That was then... This is now.
Web rumor (as wonderfully reliable as it is) suggests the game has perhaps risen from the dead by the helping hand of Rune's own Human Head Studios. Further speculation cites the latest in Doom technology to be the likely power behind this prey's second wind.
All parties rumored to be involved are obviously tightlipped (the terribly sad norm in this industry). We'll be back with more details if further information arises substantiating or debunking this rumor.







I can't believe how accurate that's turned out to be. Proves that sometimes random internet rumours have some truth in them. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Parkar]

I would not say its turned out to be anything yet.

[Needle]

This hardly confirms our speculations in this thread because their only source of information ist most certainly this thread.

[Kristian Joensen]

You know that how ?

[Needle]

Kristian Joensen said:
You know that how ?




Web rumor (as wonderfully reliable as it is) suggests the game has perhaps risen from the dead by the helping hand of Rune's own Human Head Studios



Even if it's not this thread, it's an similar one somewhere else on the web.

[Kristian Joensen]

That is not taken from the CNN article.

[Spooger]

Is it possible that Human Head got the OK to let a particular CNN reporter in on the scoop? I mean, with 3DRealm's mentioning foreshadowing the announcement, along with little tidbits here and there about HH and their 'project', it's not unthinkable that they got the go-ahead to let the cat out of the bag (even if it's not official).

I could be wrong, but this seems likely to me.

[Kristian Joensen]

That is actually a plausible theory.

[FireFly]

Or it was listed somewhere. A Take 2 document maybe.

[Spooger]

Kristian Joensen said:
That is actually a plausible theory.



Well, this kind of thing seems typical to me. More often then not, game companies let a little info here and there slip about projects that will be unveiled at the biggest gaming event of the year. It's a good idea -- get people (mainly press) excited to see your project, so when they report further on what they see they're even more hyped http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Anyhow, this is what I think happened. Once again, I could be wrong, but this has happened before.

[Kristian Joensen]

Again assuming Take 2 is the publisher, wich I think it is.

But some people seem to think they have exclusive publishing rigths to 3D Realms games, that is not so.

They have the publishing rigths to DNF and the backcatalog of Duke games but nothing beyond that, they didn't publish Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project for example.

They would have to negotiate a deal on equal footing with everyone else.

Read the newest post in this (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=817641&an=0&page=0#817641) thread.

[CD Racing ZX6R]

Kev_Hectic said:

jet jaguar 2.0 said:
I don't know. After reading more about Prey's premise and 'portal' technology(still fuzzy about the big deal over this) I'm not overly anxious to see or play it. However DNF is another story.



This has probably been posted in this thread before, but here's the E3 video of Prey from '98 that should give you an idea of what the game was going to be like. The video is rather low quality but it shows off quite a few cool things that haven't really been done in FPS's yet...

http://www.imhz.com/videos/Prey_E3_1998_IMHz.avi



Damn, thats a pretty sweet demo. I liked all the concepts.. If this is prey.. Which it looks like it is.. I at least hope it has all those elements still in there.

Also, that seems like it would have really been ahead of its time, and graphically the in game sections when you see the city.. It looked like it could have been huge back in the day.. Why did it get scraped? I dont really know the history on prey...

[MegaMustaine]

CD Racing ZX6R said:

Kev_Hectic said:

jet jaguar 2.0 said:
I don't know. After reading more about Prey's premise and 'portal' technology(still fuzzy about the big deal over this) I'm not overly anxious to see or play it. However DNF is another story.



This has probably been posted in this thread before, but here's the E3 video of Prey from '98 that should give you an idea of what the game was going to be like. The video is rather low quality but it shows off quite a few cool things that haven't really been done in FPS's yet...

http://www.imhz.com/videos/Prey_E3_1998_IMHz.avi



Damn, thats a pretty sweet demo. I liked all the concepts.. If this is prey.. Which it looks like it is.. I at least hope it has all those elements still in there.

Also, that seems like it would have really been ahead of its time, and graphically the in game sections when you see the city.. It looked like it could have been huge back in the day.. Why did it get scraped? I dont really know the history on prey...



Its a 3drealms project, that's why it was scrapped. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

CD Racing ZX6R said:

Kev_Hectic said:

jet jaguar 2.0 said:
I don't know. After reading more about Prey's premise and 'portal' technology(still fuzzy about the big deal over this) I'm not overly anxious to see or play it. However DNF is another story.



This has probably been posted in this thread before, but here's the E3 video of Prey from '98 that should give you an idea of what the game was going to be like. The video is rather low quality but it shows off quite a few cool things that haven't really been done in FPS's yet...

http://www.imhz.com/videos/Prey_E3_1998_IMHz.avi



Damn, thats a pretty sweet demo. I liked all the concepts.. If this is prey.. Which it looks like it is.. I at least hope it has all those elements still in there.

Also, that seems like it would have really been ahead of its time, and graphically the in game sections when you see the city.. It looked like it could have been huge back in the day.. Why did it get scraped? I dont really know the history on prey...



It was scrapped becuae they couldn't get the tech working.

[Ras]

It's a shame, because that video looked pretty amazing.

[Vexed]

Kristian Joensen said:
It was scrapped becuae they couldn't get the tech working.


Makes ya wonder what part of the tech they couldn't get working properly when the guy says they've got it down for about 80-90%... Damn shame.

[SyntaxN]

Makes ya wonder what part of the tech they couldn't get working properly when the guy says they've got it down for about 80-90%... Damn shame.



I think the overall tech worked, but they can´t get it bug-free because it´s very complex and they hadn´t enough programmers^^

[Duoae]

lonestar said:
Duoae,
can you explain the first part? do you mean the d3 engine is actually an upgraded prey engine, but that doesn't fit with part id's d3 engine is very expensive, like we know it from them?




[b]Kristian Joensen
Duoae is infact suggesting that the Doom 3 engine is partly based on the Prey engine.







In another stunning turn of events for the 3-D gaming industry, id Software has announced that it will be licensing the Prey engine for its next-generation game, presently codenamed Trinity.




While the above is not (as far as i know) an actual press release... certain aspects of the "trinity" engine that were supposed to be in Quake 3 were very similar to Prey's tech... all of which was then pulled from Quake 3 and later added in the Doom 3 engine.

It was also known that the Doom 3 engine was taken from the Quake 3 engine and then rewritten in portions.... so the structure is basically the same.

I think this is basically all i have to say on anything in this thread anymore - unless something else comes to light.... The whole thread has started going round in circles, covering the ground already covered at least twice.....

[Gryph]

I think the Prey engine was hell for the level designers and others to work with, not particularly the programmers.

[Simon Charles]

Mercy.

[Gryph]

You know, Simon, if you don't have anything half-way useful to say then you can just avoid this thread.

[CD Racing ZX6R]

So now that we pretty much all seem to think its prey.. Is there gonna be an offical prey thread to discuss its tech, etc? The game sounds interesting. I'm wondering just how much of this games engine can be found in DNF...?

[CD Racing ZX6R]

Of course thats if theres any at all.. For all I know its completely unrelated.. But the 4d sure sounds interestering. Imagine being able to take down skyscrapers in Vegas?

[KaiserSoze]

CD Racing ZX6R said:
So now that we pretty much all seem to think its prey.. Is there gonna be an offical prey thread to discuss its tech, etc? The game sounds interesting. I'm wondering just how much of this games engine can be found in DNF...?



probably ziltch as it's using the doom 3 engine(with some possible modifications).

dnf's engine is basically custom built and only uses the unreal engine's base code/net code. everything else is apparently new.

[dark_angel]

CD Racing ZX6R said:
So now that we pretty much all seem to think its prey.. Is there gonna be an offical prey thread to discuss its tech, etc? The game sounds interesting. I'm wondering just how much of this games engine can be found in DNF...?



two different engines...

DNF run on a heavily modified Unreal engine to a degree that it is no more Unreal, it is real http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

And Prey is using maybe a modified Doom3 engine to render better outdoor scenes plus the incorporation of many features that they have worked on all these year with the help of 3DREALMS.

so we have Two different games, two different engines, many different features, one goal in common : creating a triple A title! ( 4xA for DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif)

[MeatWagon]

Come on 3drealms, we know its prey, you know that we know what it is and we know that you know that we know what it is, so just admit it, We know that you want to tell us, why fight the urge? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[trackit]

about that banning thing: (I cant edit my post cause the edit time has expired so i have to post it here...)

sorry guys and 3DR for my little too emotional reactioon... i didnt know the whole story and it turned out to be some misunderstanding afterall... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[BioHazard]

Needle said:
This hardly confirms our speculations in this thread because their only source of information ist most certainly this thread.



Yes, but look at the date. That article was written 3 years ago.

[Spyd]

GryphonKlaw said:
I think the Prey engine was hell for the level designers and others to work with, not particularly the programmers.


The main engine programmer said after leaving 3DR that the engine had serious technical problems because of the portals, like collision detection, performance problems with multiple portals leading to the same space, and other details.
Look for the links earlier in this same thread.

[Kristian Joensen]

Exactly it must have been a living hell to work with that kind of tech back in 1998 and earlier !!

The engine truly was revolutionary especially for its time.

[Nacho]

There was an interview where they said what was hard to accomplish in the engine. I'll see if I can find it.

[tpz]

A lot of those problems would still be a problem today. Read Scarboro's posts on usenet, he describes a few hard issues with sound for example.

[Ronald McDonald]

I send the writer of the CNN Money article an email to ask if he got the information on some rumor site or from a reliable insider source.

This is what he mailed back:

"If I printed something sourced on internet rumor sites, I would be fired so fast it would make my head spin - and rightfully so. Rest assured, the story was based on credible sources - and you'll be hearing more about Prey in the coming weeks.

Best,
CM"

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Suppressor]

The Duke 3D engine was perfect. The game was one of the first interactive action shooters - and even in HL2 you don´t have the cool things which Duke 3D has. Toilets, great mirrors (I have never seen Gordon in a mirror in HL2 or 1), and cool weapons like the shrinker or the freezer. Duke 3D was (and is) pure fun. 3D Realms wants a game full of interactivity, and thats quite a lot of work.
The physics of liquids, vehicles, objects, particles are very complicate and there are so many errors if you go into detail. Many things have to be checked over and over again. I was a leveldesigner (I designed levels for Doom, Duke3D Unreal and Unreal Tournament, when Unreal 2003 was published, it used Maya, and i don´t like Maya, so I give it up) for about 8 years, and i know what it takes to make a good game today. Things got very complicate during the years. When Duke 3D was designed, it was ordinary to have a crew with 20 members working on a game. But today a bestseller game needs time and money. The reason why the game Duke Nukem Forever takes so long? It´s because they need time to create it. Duke 3D was milestone in gaming history. We expect Duke Nukem Forever to be even better than Duke 3D was in the past. And 3D Realms knows that. They don´t want to publish a game wich is good, or just fine, the want to produce a excellent, a perfect game. And tick tock, watch the clock, they are working against the time with a small crew. What do you expect? I expect a perfect game, and ok, if they need this long to make a perfect game, well, then it´s just ok!
I am not concerned about the finances and other things like that. They simply work all day long, because the know that the must not fail. I think all speculations and all rumors are senseless. I think, that 3D Realms just wanted to say, that they are still working on the game, and that we should not think every minute and every second about the Duke. When they are done, they will release screenshots and other stuff, and that will be a sign for a soon release. When I saw the Screenshots with the Unreal Engine, I knew that this game would be a masterpice. When I watched the video, i was impressed how they modified the Unreal Engine. They have the will and the ability to create a fantastic game. In times of long game-developments, many compromise, not 3D Realms. So it´s just a hint, nothing more. Don´t spend time in speculations, it´s neither usefull nor resonable. You would not want play a half-finished game. So, there is nothing we can do. The members of staff have to do their job. It´s senseless to ask about a pixi, it´s senseless to ask when the are done, because the don´t know, it is senseless to ask for secreenshots or videos. What you can you do? You can post your ideas about interactivity, graphics and other cool things. I think many ideas are quite good posted in this forum. I think 3D Realms doesn´t want to hear speculations over and over again (and this is boring anyway). George or Joe asked us about interactivity, because the wanted to know how a perfect game has to look like in our opinion. I think these ideas have an influence on the development, and if you want to be productive, post your ideas in these threads. 20 pages of speculations aren´t worth to read.

[colmtourque]

I'm gonna make my bet Shadow Warrior Mobile, but only because that would keep with the 3dr trend. I will eat Kaiser's underwear if I am not completly proven not unrightly wrongly incorrectly askewed.

[lonestar]

Suppressor said:
i think these ideas have an influence on the development, and if you want to be productive, post your ideas in these threads. 20 pages of speculations aren´t worth to read.



sorry, but this wasn't the point of this whole thread like you can obviously see. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

I want more speculation dammit,why is everyone accepting the theory that this is Prey and not some Prey-like game ?

I want someone to explain Joe's various comments of this not beeing Prey in detail before I even considerer the theory that his indeed is Prey.

[Beelze]

Joe could intentionally be lying, to through us off the hook. Well, that's enough speculation for me.

[Kristian Joensen]

That is the conclusion I want to avoid.

[Ronald McDonald]

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[Vexed]

20 pages of speculations aren´t worth to read.

Speak for your self, thank you!