Win64 questions [Archive] - 3D Realms Forums

Jeff

04-02-2005, 09:23 PM

From what I know, Windows 64 Pro will run on any x86-64 compatible computer. This includes the Athlon 64 processors, and the Intel ones using that EMT technology, which I believe is not the true 64-bit stuff, but an emulated one. That's for desktops. You're not running a 64-bit Xeon or an Opteron server, but those will also support Windows 64 Pro, or some other 64-bit OS like Fedora Linux 64-bit.

Nintendo 64 is a gaming console, not a 64-bit computer chip.

melt_core

04-02-2005, 09:27 PM

gotcha!

Jeff

04-02-2005, 09:28 PM

Better ask DudeMeister, TerminX, or others about this. I'm an advanced computer user, but I don't have any certification.

melt_core

04-02-2005, 09:36 PM

Man..... hello?.... this was april's fool type of joke..

Ivan

04-02-2005, 09:37 PM

It was kinda late, and kinda not funnay.

DudeMiester

04-02-2005, 09:38 PM

melt_core said:
Man..... hello?.... this was april's fool type of joke..

But it's April 2. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Yatta

04-02-2005, 09:42 PM

lol

melt_core

04-02-2005, 09:45 PM

It's always too late when I think of something clever to say http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

LeadBullet

04-02-2005, 09:50 PM

Which part was clever? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

Jeff

04-02-2005, 11:30 PM

melt_core said:
Man..... hello?.... this was april's fool type of joke..

Win64 questions

04/02/05 07:05 PM

Owned. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Phayzon

04-03-2005, 09:34 AM

What would posess you to even think that ANY version of Windows would "work" on an N64 ??? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

JimboC

04-03-2005, 09:51 AM

A little slow on the uptake today? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

It was a play on the fact that they had a 64 in the name. Clever - slightly. Funny - not really.

melt_core

04-03-2005, 10:19 AM

No really, I've re-read my post and I still think that's hilarious.. And it's even more funny that people still answer this thread seriously!

Geir

04-03-2005, 10:48 AM

melt_core said:
No really, I've re-read my post and I still think that's hilarious.. And it's even more funny that people still answer this thread seriously!

thats because we want this forum to survive and not be a ghost forum, a forum full of advertising or a forum full of bad jokes and viruses.

(the naked picture renderer is an exception.)

Joonas

04-03-2005, 11:57 AM

jeffbthomson said:

melt_core said:
Man..... hello?.... this was april's fool type of joke..

Win64 questions

04/02/05 07:05 PM

Owned. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Win64 questions
Sun Apr 03 2005 06:05 AM

Even better looking here in Finland... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Jeff

04-03-2005, 12:56 PM

Phayzon said:
What would posess you to even think that ANY version of Windows would "work" on an N64 ??? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Never said anything about it running on a gaming console. Windows 64 is for computers. Gaming consoles don't even have OSes.

In other news, there was no way to tell whether this was a an April Fools joke. No smiley, and the date was a day past April Fools.

NutWrench

04-03-2005, 01:53 PM

Windows x64 (http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/evaluation/overviews/overview.mspx) is an operating system for desktop computers. It's mostly aimed at the CAD/CAM, Engineering and Animation market, where higher levels of precision, speed and the ability to address large amounts of memory are needed.

Allthough it is backwards compatible with 32-bit applications (much like Windows 98 can run 16-bit applications), software will run best under Windows x64 if it is written and compiled from the ground up with 64-bit support.

Oh, and you also need the necessary hardware to use this version of Windows: a 64-bit microprocessor and motherboard that supports it.

Sir Lemonhead

04-03-2005, 02:53 PM

I can't get this to work on my commodore 64 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I've downloaded the beta version and copied it to casette tape, but the c64 just sits there with this odd rainbow pattern on screen.

What am I doing wrong? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

JimboC

04-03-2005, 03:10 PM

Nutwrench:
Please re-read the entire thread and then slap yourself with a large trout.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Phayzon

04-03-2005, 03:12 PM

Sir_Lemonhead said:
I can't get this to work on my commodore 64 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

I've downloaded the beta version and copied it to casette tape, but the c64 just sits there with this odd rainbow pattern on screen.

What am I doing wrong? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

LOL

NutWrench

04-03-2005, 03:26 PM

JimboC said:
Nutwrench:
Please re-read the entire thread and then slap yourself with a large trout.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

I was responding to the original post:

First, I don't understand, why wait a couple of years after the 2000th version to release the 64th?

Also, will this work on commodore64/nintendo64 machines?

What's the confusion? He either didn't know what Win64 IS, or he's making some kind of lame April Fools joke with the commodore64 stuff. I chose to believe that he was genuinely uninformed about Windows 64 and help out. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

melt_core

04-03-2005, 03:45 PM

DudeMiester

04-03-2005, 04:26 PM

Well actually Win64 is aimed at all consumers, not just CAD. Also, 32-bit programs will work fine on Win64 with perhaps only a +/-3% speed difference. However, the equilivant 64-bit version of the program can be from 15% to 50% faster! So there's big big benifits to getting Win64. Of course, this only applies if you have an Athlon64, if you get one of the Pentium 4 64-bit CPUs then 64-bit is about 10% slower then 32-bit.

Hudson

04-03-2005, 07:29 PM

melt_core said:
No really, I've re-read my post and I still think that's hilarious.. And it's even more funny that people still answer this thread seriously!

I found it quite hysterical personally http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kevin Wolff

04-03-2005, 10:51 PM

However, the equilivant 64-bit version of the program can be from 15% to 50% faster! So there's big big benifits to getting Win64. Of course, this only applies if you have an Athlon64, if you get one of the Pentium 4 64-bit CPUs then 64-bit is about 10% slower then 32-bit.

Speed increases on the Athlon 64 over Pentium 4 have nothing to do with 64-bit itself. The real difference is all the other stuff that AMD did to the chip, like Hypertransport. Having 64 bits doesn't make anything faster. Adding the instructions to an overstressed unit like the P4 will probably goof it up a little; but really, adding bits doesn't do much for speed at all, either way.

On the topic of Windows XP 64 - IMO that was a waste of time. It's a few years behind all other OSes on 64-bit support (with the exception of Apple, whose 64-bit OS is out later this month), and there's only a year left before the next major Windows. So what's the point? Just a guinea pig release?

Jeff

04-04-2005, 12:00 AM

A gaming buddy of mine who is a Linux programmer advised me not to use Fedora or Mandrake Linux 64-bit, because my ATI card wouldn't work that well. It seems like ATIs 64-bit Linux drivers are not as good as nVidias' 64-bit ones. Instead he recommended Windows 64 Professional, as it is the topic of this thread.

Hudson

04-04-2005, 05:30 AM

ATi drivers suck period, but to the point of failing at life on linux.

Orochi Avlis

04-05-2005, 12:21 PM

Hudson said:
ATi drivers suck period, but to the point of failing at life on linux.

I haven't had any problems with my drivers yet.

Joonas

04-05-2005, 12:57 PM

Orochi Avlis said:

Hudson said:
ATi drivers suck period, but to the point of failing at life on linux.

I haven't had any problems with my drivers yet.

Yeah, well, to some people 'sucks' equals to 'I've seen better'. Sad.

JimboC

04-05-2005, 05:45 PM

Orochi Avlis said:
I haven't had any problems with my drivers yet.

Are you running Linux? That's the only place I've seen ATI's driver just lay down and quit without even making an effort. I found that and Intel Extreme Graphics video chipset will run better on Linux with Intel's drivers than any ATI cards do with ATI's drivers. Them's some shitty-assed drivers.

Jeff

04-06-2005, 03:01 AM

A Linux programmer friend of mine has to agree: ATI drivers suck with Linux. You want to use Linux, better have a nVidia card.

Now as for Windows 64 Pro, before I go and upgrade for it, could someone post me a list of where I could get all the 64-bit drivers for my system? I'd like to bookmark it for reference.

Hudson

04-06-2005, 03:44 AM

Even in Windows ATi can't release a new set of drivers without breaking half a dozen or so games.

Orochi Avlis

04-06-2005, 11:49 AM

JimboC said:

Orochi Avlis said:
I haven't had any problems with my drivers yet.

Are you running Linux?

Nope, Windows XP with Service Pack 1.

Yeah, well, to some people 'sucks' equals to 'I've seen better'. Sad.

I don't know how to respond to that.....

Jeff

04-06-2005, 12:44 PM

Hudson said:
Even in Windows ATi can't release a new set of drivers without breaking half a dozen or so games.

I tried to upgrade to the Catalyst 5.3 drivers, and when I tried to play Savage: The Battle for Newerth, it wouldn't even start the game. The default drivers off the CD work fine for me.

Jokke_r

04-06-2005, 01:11 PM

jeffbthomson said:
The default drivers off the CD work fine for me.

xD, There are no Default drivers, they are just outdated shit drivers.

avatar_58

04-06-2005, 06:51 PM

hah...most of my hardware manufacters already have drivers ready for 64 bit http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif If I ever feel the need I just might dual-boot and test to see if there is any speed increase.

Kevin Wolff

04-07-2005, 12:09 AM

I found that and Intel Extreme Graphics video chipset will run better on Linux with Intel's drivers than any ATI cards do with ATI's drivers.

It gets worse. AnandTech did Linux benchmarks of Enemy Territory and UT2k4, comparing the FX5700 Ultra and the X800 Pro. The ATI drivers are so bad that the 5700 won everything. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

Jeff

04-07-2005, 02:48 AM

Jokke_r said:
xD, There are no Default drivers, they are just outdated shit drivers.

If the drivers between 4.6 and 5.3 didn't work for this game, I guess I'm hooped. Oh well. My X800 Pro is still pretty damn fast, even with shitty drivers. Maybe those Omega drivers I could try.

DudeMiester

04-07-2005, 08:26 PM

Kevin Wolff said:

However, the equilivant 64-bit version of the program can be from 15% to 50% faster! So there's big big benifits to getting Win64. Of course, this only applies if you have an Athlon64, if you get one of the Pentium 4 64-bit CPUs then 64-bit is about 10% slower then 32-bit.

Speed increases on the Athlon 64 over Pentium 4 have nothing to do with 64-bit itself. The real difference is all the other stuff that AMD did to the chip, like Hypertransport. Having 64 bits doesn't make anything faster. Adding the instructions to an overstressed unit like the P4 will probably goof it up a little; but really, adding bits doesn't do much for speed at all, either way.

Well yes, 64-bit on it's own is meaningless. However, the 64-bit implementation of AMD64 doubles the number of available registers, which amoung other improvements makes a big difference in the effiency of algoithms that compilers and programmers can produce. However, for whatever reason the P4 just sucks at doing this. Strange, but not unexpected given the rush job.

Jeff

04-07-2005, 08:48 PM

Just think what the power of Windows 64 and a dual core/multi-core CPU would mean. Get a SATA 10,000 RPM RAID configuration, and you've got yourself one hell of a system. It'd be blazing fast. Heard that the multi-core CPUs will be based on the K8 stuff, so Windows 64 will fly when those are out.

Kevin Wolff

04-07-2005, 10:00 PM

Well yes, 64-bit on it's own is meaningless. However, the 64-bit implementation of AMD64 doubles the number of available registers, which amoung other improvements makes a big difference in the effiency of algoithms that compilers and programmers can produce.

That would've been my other example. Adding more registers is a CISC to RISC-type shift, not having anything to do with 64-bit. Things like this and HyperTransport make AMD64 better. Having 64-bits itself is almost a marketing number.