June PC Gamer exclusive? [Archive] - Page 2

lvlmaster

04-21-2005, 11:04 AM

http://www.jeuxpo.com/afficher_news-2285.html

Crazy....One of the first Unreal Engine 3 games to show screenshots, and Wow! It looks like UE3 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Dont judge a game by its visuals, or even by the first screenshots ever released...The gameplay is where its at.

Lengis

04-21-2005, 11:08 AM

I agree lvlmaster, I'm sure the gameplay will kick ass. I'm looking forward to Prey, you did a good job.

Btw, those UE3 screens are from a crappy MMORPG game, hardly a good example of what it's capable of http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

X-Vector

04-21-2005, 11:09 AM

lvlmaster said:
Dont judge a game by its visuals, or even by the first screenshots ever released...The gameplay is where its at.

Would you terribly mind if we decide for ourselves by what criteria we judge a game and where our individual preferences lie?

lvlmaster

04-21-2005, 11:13 AM

Maybe ;D

trackit

04-21-2005, 11:13 AM

X-Vector said:

lvlmaster said:
Dont judge a game by its visuals, or even by the first screenshots ever released...The gameplay is where its at.

Would you terribly mind if we decide for ourselves by what criteria we judge a game and where our individual preferences lie?

well, if visuals/screens are most important to you then you shouldnt play games at all... i can send you some good links with cool wallpalers!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

X-Vector

04-21-2005, 11:17 AM

It's amazing how you can deduce my personal bias from a post that I think is phrased rather neutrally.

GG Sherlock.

Ronald McDonald

04-21-2005, 11:20 AM

All abourd the naysayers bandwagon http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

Vexed

04-21-2005, 11:30 AM

X-Vector said:
It's amazing how you can deduce my personal bias from a post that I think is phrased rather neutrally.

GG Sherlock.

You know you're not allowed to have your own opinion in here! NO X, BAD X!! That's a heavy load of bias though. Think you'll keep your eye on the game anyway?

Kev_Hectic

04-21-2005, 11:31 AM

Lengis said:
The bad is, it still looks like Doom 3. A lot of the enemies look like they were lifted straight out of D3. I was expecting this too.

You know, I was half expecting this myself. Even in the original Prey videos, the enviroments had a very techno-sci-fi-ish vibe to them that barred some recembalance to Quake . Transfering those kinds of enviroments over to the Doom 3 engine, would well... Make 'em look like something out of Doom 3.

This is where the difference between the UE3 platform, and D3 platform are revealed. You can make the UE3 platform look like a totally different game each time you build it. D3 will ALWAYS look like D3. It can't be helped.

I think it's unfair to say that, have you ever seen the Hexen mod, or the "Doom 3 can do it too" project? Those look nothing like Doom 3.

The game looks cool to me though, I have no problems with the "Doom 3 look". And I think the monsters look pretty bad ass, even though some of them look a little familiar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Denz

04-21-2005, 11:34 AM

Can't we have normal jpg shot hosted on imageshack?

I could not download the pdf, and i too much wanna see this game, so please someone take screen of these scans, and host it on http://www.imageshack.ws/, for the purpose of evryone who did not saw the screens and scans!

Duoae

04-21-2005, 11:38 AM

I've been wondering about the wall walking thing. I wonder if you jump when on a wall whether you just reorientate and land on the floor, or if there are degrees of "gravity" on the walk-pads.ie. If you jump a little bit you stay on the wall, but if you hold down jump longer you "fall off"......

RedSplat

04-21-2005, 11:38 AM

X-Vector is not a naysayer.
He just made some good (obvious) observations.

I can't stand Doom3 visually but i'm still impressed by these screenshots.
Everything seems to have more detail but some of those creatures do look an awful lot like modded Doom3 monsters.

Some of the gameplay elements that were mentioned and the possibility of a good story made me ignore the Doom3ish horror visuals.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Ronald McDonald

04-21-2005, 11:47 AM

Denz said:
Can't we have normal jpg shot hosted on imageshack?

I could not download the pdf, and i too much wanna see this game, so please someone take screen of these scans, and host it on http://www.imageshack.ws/, for the purpose of evryone who did not saw the screens and scans!

Rightclick "save target as"

Gabrobot

04-21-2005, 11:49 AM

*Hopes PCGamer comes today*

Scans are no longer working. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

trackit

04-21-2005, 11:52 AM

Gabrobot said:
*Hopes PCGamer comes today*

Scans are no longer working. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

what you mean not working?

want better quality? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

KaiserSoze

04-21-2005, 11:55 AM

Gabrobot said:
*Hopes PCGamer comes today*

Scans are no longer working. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/sh...p;page=0#831034 (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=831034&an=0&page=0#831034)

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Seraph

04-21-2005, 11:58 AM

One word on Prey: Damn. Also, 20 minutes of DNF for PC Gamer? Well, thats certainly put my heart at ease. I'm almost as excited about Prey as DNF to be honest! I'm more than just impressed, I'm thankful. I'll be needing to thank and congratulate George for this sometime in the near future. Thats really a piece of work.

DI-MeisterM

04-21-2005, 12:01 PM

This will be the day in history. A third party sees and plays Prey and DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

DiscoDave

04-21-2005, 12:10 PM

Eclipse said:
The way I understand it is that it is abducted whilst flying, and then is still 'flying' inside (i.e. the engines are going etc etc) but because of the fancy gravity inside the alien ship it's just hovering. Otherwise the inside of that ship must be huuuuuuuuuge.

The game looks very interesting. Maybe more so than DNF for me right now. I really wish that they hadn't mentioned the jumbo jet. That counts as spoiler material to me. The same with the little blond girls... It would have been way cooler to have been surprised by these situations. I don't think I'll be reading any more about this game.

PS - thanks for the scans anyway.

Gryph

04-21-2005, 12:15 PM

I'm really excited about the gameplay in this game. Walking on walls, enemies using portals against you, fighting in a plane inside of a huge ship. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

The visual style is reminiscent of Doom 3 but it's much brighter, not just light wise, but over all things seems to have more color. The enemies look pretty creative too so props to them on that.

I can officially say that I very very excited for this game. It has gone on the top of my "must buy" list. Damn...I'll be spending a lot on games this year. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kev_Hectic

04-21-2005, 12:45 PM

FireFly said:
I really didn't imagine Prey would be like this. The old media gave the impression of huge worlds and an epic galactic conquest taking place between dynamic portals.

That's about the only thing that really bothers me about the preview, the old videos showed that the environments would go from large indoor environments, to out door locations. It didn't look like it stuck the player in a spaceship for the whole game.

But maybe since the game has portals in it, they might have levels that jump from the alien ship to other worlds, then back again. The preview doesn't really show off a whole lot.

Gryph

04-21-2005, 12:48 PM

Since this ship is so damn big, I'm hoping that there will be some artificial forests and outdoors.

Parkar

04-21-2005, 12:53 PM

As far as I remember the game was taking place in a big ship when it was put on hold as well. Anyway I expected it to do so before reading the preview so I wonder were I got that from if it was not like that.

This ship is a pretty big mothaf***er so Just because its in a ship instead of on a planet does not rule out big open spaces.

Lengis

04-21-2005, 12:54 PM

GryphonKlaw said:
Since this ship is so damn big, I'm hoping that there will be some artificial forests and outdoors.

Don't hold your breath. I really doubt this, although it would be cool.

trackit

04-21-2005, 01:02 PM

why every time i see that big green eye i feel like something negative is coming... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

no offence though... just messing around http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

Lengis

04-21-2005, 01:05 PM

Lol......

It would be cool dude, I'm not doubting that. But I wouldn't want to get my hopes up, only to be dissapointed when a certain feature isn't there.

X-Vector

04-21-2005, 01:07 PM

This is an excerpt from a preview on the 'old' Prey:

Although the details are being kept under wraps, Talon will battle a triad of alien species called the Trocara. During the game, the creatures abduct him and take him to their mothership, an immense ring-like ship with a manufactured sun in the center three times the circumference of Earth, and three land masses, each with its own atmosphere, that rotate around the sun. Schuytema said the first third of the game will take place in Arizona, while the final two-thirds will transpire on the mothership.

http://www.crus.com/software/previews/prey.html

More than "pretty big" I would say, but it remains to be seen if the above is still applicable.

Parkar

04-21-2005, 01:12 PM

Probably not since they say in the preview that the ship is close to earth.

dark_angel

04-21-2005, 01:17 PM

X-Vector, you can't treat every game that uses the DooM3 engine as a "DooM3 mod", especially if the engine is heavily modified!

This simply doesn't make sense...

Ronald McDonald

04-21-2005, 01:18 PM

The spacecraft will only have 6 rooms in a circle and you run in circles shooting aliens that come out of portals until after 20 hours the end-boss will appear http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

trackit

04-21-2005, 01:23 PM

Ronald McDonald said:
The spacecraft will only have 6 rooms in a circle and you run in circles shooting aliens that come out of portals until after 20 hours the end-boss will appear http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kev_Hectic

04-21-2005, 01:26 PM

X-Vector said:
This is an excerpt from a preview on the 'old' Prey:

Although the details are being kept under wraps, Talon will battle a triad of alien species called the Trocara. During the game, the creatures abduct him and take him to their mothership, an immense ring-like ship with a manufactured sun in the center three times the circumference of Earth, and three land masses, each with its own atmosphere, that rotate around the sun. Schuytema said the first third of the game will take place in Arizona, while the final two-thirds will transpire on the mothership.

http://www.crus.com/software/previews/prey.html

More than "pretty big" I would say, but it remains to be seen if the above is still applicable.

I hope this one still keeps some of those ideas, even if it isn't going to be on the same scale that they originally intended.

Ronald McDonald said:
The spacecraft will only have 6 rooms in a circle and you run in circles shooting aliens that come out of portals until after 20 hours the end-boss will appear http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Sounds like a winner to me. \o/ http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kristian Joensen

04-21-2005, 01:35 PM

Ronald McDonald said:
The spacecraft will only have 6 rooms in a circle and you run in circles shooting aliens that come out of portals until after 20 hours the end-boss will appear http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Does that actually contradict any info we have heard about the game ?

If it doesn't then that just shows how little we indeed know about the game.

Ronald McDonald

04-21-2005, 01:40 PM

I don't think 3DRealms will allow Prey to get shipped if it's boring.

Kristian Joensen

04-21-2005, 01:41 PM

That is definetly not what I am saying, I don't think Prey is like that, I was just showing that we know little about it.

Malgon

04-21-2005, 01:42 PM

Woah, my first post on the fabled 3DR forums! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I agree about the open environments of the original being kept, with the cool ringworld idea, but I guess we'll have to wait until after e3 to see a proper video and stuff.

impressions of the first pics on the monster from Prey:
HOLY SMOKES DUKEMAN, thats freaking awesome!

I'm more excited about gaming than in ages! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

Evil Angel

04-21-2005, 02:19 PM

Welcome aboard Malgon! Is Prey gunna be shown at E3? Has this been confirmed for sure?

Malgon

04-21-2005, 02:24 PM

I sure hope so, it would give them a good chance to prove all the naysayers wrong about Prey being Vapourware http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif. I havent read the whole preview though, still downloading Adobe! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Thanks for the welcome dude! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Malgon

04-21-2005, 02:37 PM

I think that Ronald is right there. 3D Realms' credibility is on the line, and if they can wait to release Duke late because it ends up for the better, then they will make sure that HH takes their time and creates an engrossing game out of Prey, rather than the usual `been there, done that' of past games.

Yey for Prey! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

Killd a ton

04-21-2005, 02:37 PM

not to mention that the unreal engine isn't that uniqe in it's look from any othere 3d engine so you will be kind of use to it's look in othere games, the rendereing in d3 is very uniqe to doom and just a few othere games engines, personaly i have only seen 3.

Kristian Joensen

04-21-2005, 02:39 PM

3DR have written their own renderer for DNF.

Lengis

04-21-2005, 02:44 PM

It's mostly new yes, but it's built from the Unreal engine. I believe the only things left are the Unreal Editor, and the net code

Kristian Joensen

04-21-2005, 02:49 PM

You are correct but I said renderer and not engine.

Gabrobot

04-21-2005, 02:56 PM

Got the scans...wow, that wall-walk sounds like it's going to be tons of fun. Games have been 3d for so long, it's about time a game actually had some fun with all three dimensions. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Story sounds interesting as well...it's good to hear that the story is being taken very seriously.

Yenz

04-21-2005, 03:01 PM

Looks great, but too much like Doom 3. I hope it has more open levels and also some none alien enviroment in the game.
But I care mostly about gameplay, and it has some new very nice and interesting features http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gabrobot

04-21-2005, 03:08 PM

Well, there's that cutscene in the bar at the beginning...that ought to show some different stuff. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Gryph

04-21-2005, 03:40 PM

Lengis said:

GryphonKlaw said:
Since this ship is so damn big, I'm hoping that there will be some artificial forests and outdoors.

Don't hold your breath. I really doubt this, although it would be cool.

Oh I'm not, I'm just thinking aloud.

Hudson

04-21-2005, 04:06 PM

Too bad all the scans are gone http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

However I don't blame either Joe or PC Gamer what-so-ever for wanting them removed (they want to sell their magazine obviously).

The mag didn't come today (figures) however I can wait a few days http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

From what I hear it kicks massive amounts of ass though http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Ronald McDonald

04-21-2005, 04:09 PM

Post deleted by Joe3DR

Hudson

04-21-2005, 04:49 PM

Alright, checked it out.. and all I can say is when the hell can I pre-order?!? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kristian Joensen

04-21-2005, 04:53 PM

So now you have seen it on the internet before you have seen it in your PC Gamer ? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

JackpotDen

04-21-2005, 05:05 PM

Hudson said:
Alright, checked it out.. and all I can say is when the hell can I pre-order?!? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Agreed. Let me at this mofo.

Denz

04-21-2005, 05:09 PM

Ok now i have to change my comp... For real !

KaiserSoze

04-21-2005, 05:20 PM

Hudson said:
Alright, checked it out.. and all I can say is when the hell can I pre-order?!? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

no doubt!

sounds like it's gonna be fun as hell to play along with the amazing eye candy.

3dr do know how to produce games and give it that right touch.

my credit card is ready and waiting!

Roger

04-21-2005, 05:23 PM

Hudson said:
Alright, checked it out.. and all I can say is when the hell can I pre-order?!? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Eclipse

04-21-2005, 05:29 PM

Hudson said:
Alright, checked it out.. and all I can say is when the hell can I pre-order?!? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://img256.echo.cx/img256/7623/b0007939mk01lzzzzzzz4ar.jpg

But seriously. You've got my money already http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Damien_Azreal

04-21-2005, 08:57 PM

I got my issue of PC Gamer today, I've been reading the article ever since I got home. Plus searching the screens for every little thing I could find.

And they look awesome!! I agree with Hudson, were can I preorder? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

And from the sounds of it it'll be a kick ass game. Definitaly a lot of thought is being put into it. It's sounding a lot deeper and moodier than most 3DR shooters.
The enemy designs are brilliant, and creepy as hell! Yous ee a nice little selection of them in the article and some are just visious looking. I can't wait to fight them.

Spirit walking and Death walking sound like a blast. Spirit walking will be fun for stealth kills. Your spirit gets a bow to use, so you can use hide your body then travel through with your spirit and take out some of the enemies silently. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Then travel through with your body and have a easier time ahead.

The wall walking sounds kick ass, there are no ladders on the alien ship. Everything is in the wall walking. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Hopefully this'll make for some memorable shoot outs.

And one thing that should make some people happy... Human Head studios has completely rewritten the Doom 3 AI code. Enemies will hide, stalk you and evade.

This looks like it's jumped up a bit on my upcoming games list. Please let it come out this fall!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif PLEASE!

Michelangelo

04-22-2005, 12:31 AM

I'm going to kack myself if it turns out crap http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Spooger

04-22-2005, 01:14 AM

Prey is going to be *THE* FPS to own this year. Everything from the story, to the design and gameplay has me picking this out for a likely game of the year candidate - and I haven't even played it yet http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

edit: Also - and I don't mean to knock Quake 4 because it's a game I'm most definately going to buy and love - I was surprised how much better looking Prey's monsters looked in comparison to the newly released Quake 4 screenshot. I mean, I know they're probably comparable as far as technicalities go, but the models revealed in the Prey article seemed much more detailed and life-life (and less 'plasticky') then what I've seen from Q4. Anyone agree/disagree?

Tea Monster

04-22-2005, 05:25 PM

Before everyone gets too excited, remember we have had E3 videos before....

Only 10 more years to go!

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Nailed

04-22-2005, 05:57 PM

Second time's the charm.

dorgon7

04-22-2005, 06:39 PM

This is ones easy. Prey is not a franchise. If it was DNF, we'd know about it already. 20 bucks says its Tomb Raider.

Viper Knight

04-22-2005, 06:42 PM

We do know about it. It is DNF! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

BladeTurbo

04-22-2005, 06:47 PM

i'm putting my money on DNF, its gotta be close to being done. i will keep the faith.

Vexed

04-22-2005, 07:12 PM

dorgon7 said:
This is ones easy. Prey is not a franchise. If it was DNF, we'd know about it already. 20 bucks says its Tomb Raider.

Eh? What are you talking about? We already know what it is.

Ivan

04-22-2005, 07:13 PM

Vexed said:

dorgon7 said:
This is ones easy. Prey is not a franchise. If it was DNF, we'd know about it already. 20 bucks says its Tomb Raider.

Eh? What are you talking about? We already know what it is.

Exactly what I was thinking lol! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Soilwork

04-22-2005, 11:15 PM

Looks ***** A-wesome!!!

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Duoae

04-23-2005, 02:09 AM

Yeah, it was DNF they were talking about - they had a column about it - that's an exclusive.......

Steve

04-23-2005, 02:56 AM

dorgon7 said:
This is ones easy. Prey is not a franchise. If it was DNF, we'd know about it already. 20 bucks says its Tomb Raider.

All the new Tomb Raiders are playstation 2 exclusives. Not PC. It will be a playstation mag that will get the info not a pc gaming mag.

X-Vector

04-23-2005, 07:35 AM

Eclipse summed it up succinctly over at Planetduke:

Having now had the chance to read the short article on DNF in June's PC Gamer, I would have to say that there isn't any information contained within the text that has not been released by 3D Realms previously.

There's also a reference to this quote from George Broussard:

You guys should not get too excited. The game is still when it's done. We don't have any control over what people write, after looking at it. I really did not tell PCG anything more than I've told you here.

So please control expectations http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

The point of the article is Prey.

The "world exclusive announcement" part clearly relates to Prey, which makes the "return of one of the biggest franchises in PC gaming" a fraud (Prey isn't a franchise and DNF didn't 'return').
PCG US are lying bastard hype monkeys like most gaming mags.

FireFly

04-23-2005, 07:50 AM

X-Vector said:
Eclipse summed it up succinctly over at Planetduke:

Having now had the chance to read the short article on DNF in June's PC Gamer, I would have to say that there isn't any information contained within the text that has not been released by 3D Realms previously.

We didn't know how far along they were content-wise. We didn't know whether a lot of the gameplay had fallen into place. I mean George said that their levels in 2001 were just basic shells, so it's nice to know that this time the gameplay is actually fleshed out.

Tedski

04-23-2005, 08:27 AM

It could well be that their definition of 'franchise' differs considerably from yours. 'Franchise' is as likely to refer to £DR themselves as opposed to the game. Semantics - possibly, but also highly probable. ergo, probably no need to go slagging off PCGamer because of it. (I better point out here that I've not looked at a PCGamer in at least 6 months, but I may be making an exception soon http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

Eclipse

04-23-2005, 09:05 AM

X-Vector said:
Eclipse summed it up succinctly over at Planetduke:

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

Kristian Joensen

04-23-2005, 09:06 AM

Prey is indeed a franchise.

X-Vector

04-23-2005, 10:14 AM

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=franchise

http://www.investorwords.com/2078/franchise.html

None of the definitions listed in the pages apply to Prey, as far as I can tell.

Regardless, in this case it's not the literal definition, but the common conception of the term that is important (which is something like "successful gaming series or developer or publisher of such").
The common conception rules out Prey as "one of the biggest franchises in PC gaming".
The Sims, Tomb Raider or DooM would apply, but not Human Head's latest.

That leaves 3DR as most likely candidate for the title, but in that instance it would also be a questionable choice of words, because:

a. Prey is a third-party title, like Max Payne, Manhattan Project and the numerous console Duke games.
b. The triumphant return of 3DR would suggest substantial coverage of DNF to virtually everyone.

PCG is a journalistic entity, its editors know the power of the word, which requires some responsibility on their part.
Creating a bit of mystery to 'stir the pot' is OK, purposely misleading or at best confusing the audience is not.

Kristian Joensen

04-23-2005, 10:16 AM

I know the dictionary definition of franchise but to me the word franchise in gaming terms has come to mean IP/brand.

Lengis

04-23-2005, 10:33 AM

By the way, buttocks now means an intelligent person.

Kristian Joensen

04-23-2005, 10:40 AM

No, it doesn't. Franchise however often is used with that meaning wich I refered too.

Gryph

04-23-2005, 11:16 AM

Kristian Joensen said:
No, it doesn't. Franchise however often is used with that meaning wich I refered too.

That doesn't make it right, that just makes it a misnomer. I said a long time ago that franchise means "the right or license granted to an individual or group to market a company's goods or services in a particular territory; also : a business granted such a right or license" which is EXACTLY what Prey is. PC Gamer used the word franchise as what it's supposed to mean because they are journalists and writers, not some common conception held by gamers.

Just check this for all possible definitions of franchise:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...amp;btnG=Search (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=define%3A+franchise&btnG=Search)
Just because one of them has "already has a successful product or service" doesn't negate all the other definitions.

Just drop the Prey isn't a franchise line because it's pointless. It is a "an agreement enabling a third party to sell or provide products or services owned by a manufacturer or supplier. The franchise is regulated by a franchise contract, or franchise agreement, that specifies the terms and conditions of the franchise."

3DRealms has granted Human Head Studios with the right to create a game based on an IP (which can considered as the goods or service) created by them and sell it in which HH will probably have pay 3DR money (either a flat fee or royalty based, I don't know).

But then I think, does this even matter? No.

X-Vector

04-23-2005, 11:27 AM

That's all fine and dandy, except for the fact that HH is developing Prey rather than marketing, distributing or selling the game.

Anyway, as stated earlier, even if the description "franchise" would apply, "one of the biggest franchises in PC gaming" definitely wouldn't.
One of the most important aspects of journalistic writing is clarity, which PCG certainly failed in - intentionally or not.

Gryph

04-23-2005, 11:32 AM

X-Vector said:
That's all fine and dandy, except for the fact that HH is developing Prey rather than marketing, distributing or selling the game.

Anyway, as stated earlier, even if the description "franchise" would apply, "one of the biggest franchises in PC gaming" definitely wouldn't.
One of the most important aspects of journalistic writing is clarity, which PCG certainly failed in - intentionally or not.

Well marketing, distributing, and selling is basically the role of the publisher. I will admit that the video game industry isn't similar to say, the hamburger business where franchises do all of that and pay the corporate offices.

But I do agree that better wording on PC Gamer's part would have been good but their job is to hype. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif No arguement there.