The Official Xbox 360 Thread

[ADM]

Supposedly these images aren't fake and is what the actual console will look like:

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000293041091/

and

http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000400041113/


Also this is supposedly the controller:
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000513039617/



There are none of the usual array of blurry cameraphone pics to back this up, but Eurogamer is claiming that Microsoft’s next-gen console has been spotted in the UK, and that, get this: it’s white. Or at least it’s probably going to be white. They’re saying that it could turn out to be silver-colored instead, though if it were white that would match those leaked controller pics that surfaced over the weekend (oh, and save your comments about them ripping off Apple, no one owns the color white, ok?). They’re also confirming that the name for the new console will indeed be called the Xbox 360 (just like we said it would be), and that it will have a concave design, stand upright (or at least that you’ll have the option of positioning it that way), and sport a logo that is a “simple, round nexus” (whatever that means).



Source:
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000370040046/

[Ronald McDonald]

Post deleted by ADoomedMarine

[BioHazard]

MS handed out the design of the case to a Japanese company. Looks quite good I would say.

[Karthik]

Why is his name green colour?!

[Logic Bomb]

Hes a moderator, similar to joe, for one or a few of these forum sections. Meriamus (sp?) and terminix are also green.

- LB

[Iggy]

The design doesn't look very bad to me, but the controller (assuming that's suppose to be it) looks like some cheap toy.

[Ivan]

Logic Bomb said:
Hes a moderator, similar to joe, for one or a few of these forum sections. Meriamus (sp?) and terminix are also green.

- LB



Few? Heh.

I don't quite like the design, but then again I never really liked the XBox as a console and never liked his first design. And the control is just.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

[JackpotDen]

Seeing as how there is no controller ports, the XBOX 360 most probably has the remote thing the Wavebird of the Gamecube had.

[IgWannA]

i like it!! i didn't like the playstation 2 or the original xbox (looks-wise) but i think this is really quite sexy http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ADM]

Bigger view:
http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/4/xbox360/xbox360org19iz5ow_b.jpg

[MeatWagon]

Seems kind of Fake to me, guess we will have to wait and see.

[elloehpipati]

The green button looks pasted on... its looks really odd..

[Scream]

If that's really it, I think it looks pretty slick. The controllers pictured look like crap on the other hand.

[Logic Bomb]

Jesus i'm sick of everyone crying out "fake" whenever something pops up.

- LB

[Ivan]

Logic Bomb said:
Jesus i'm sick of everyone crying out "fake" whenever something pops up.

- LB



Well it's understandable: we've been confronted to so many fake pictures that now it's hard to believe that this one is The One.

[Scream]

Would you prefer that everyone automatically believe every leaked image is real then? I have some nude celebrity pics I could sell ya... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Stuff like this is mildly interesting, but I will believe I'm seeing the real deal when it is officially unveiled (which I believe is May 12 on MTV?), and even then it will only be mildly interesting. It's just a game console, and all we're seeing is what it looks like, when what it can do is actually the important part.

[Evil Angel]

I think that could well be it. I read on gamesindustry or some other site I can't remember about a week ago that people who has seen it were saying it was a concaved shape . This seems to fit that bill. Of course it could have been doctored based on that information but it's close to being shown officially anyway so it wouldn't surprise me if this is it.

Anyway if this is it I think the console looks great. Really sleek. Dunno about those controllers though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

[Geir]

it looks great and everything, but how is that gonna fit on the floor. it looks like a remote.

[IgWannA]

i'm fairly certain (and so is engadget) that this is real. it concurs with a picture posted a couple of days ago (on engadget) showing the side of it, and it's definately a real piece of hardware (as opposed to that picture which looks computer generated).

i like the simplicity of it, and also it's size. if you look at the size of the CD tray that would make it roughly 12 inches wide and 3.5 high by my estimates. definately a lot smaller than the xbox 1 and the PS2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Roger]

I think the controller looks like shit.

[ADM]

Hmm just wondering.. is this the version that has the hard drive.. if not wonder how much bigger that one will be. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Nacho]

I have that exact same controller for my ps1! Does that mean it runs playstation games to? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Lengis]

Harddrives aren't that big. Anyway, the design looks alright. Looks much smaller than the last Xbox, which is a good thing http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Sleek, silver..... looks pretty good.

[Ivan]

Some Ad on MTV about the unveiling of the XBox 360 (http://www.darkhak.com/videos/XBOX_Final_30_with_audio.mov)

[X-Vector]

Why is the "on/off" symbol on the white button turned on its side 90º anti-clockwise?

[Lengis]

The powerbutton is the green thing. It's a circle, you can't turn it around.

[X-Vector]

That's why it's so odd.

[Lengis]

Clear picture of the removeable HD.
http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/xbox360/rumor/xbox360.jpg

The black hole on the side of the other pictures is what the unit looks like without the HD.

[Gryph]

Isn't that just rumored to be the removable HDD?

But I don't really like the design that much...it's much better than XBOX 1, I'll give it that. The font on the DVD drive is really ugly.

I hope that customizable plates thing is true because that would be cool. Put a nice black plate on it...sweet. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Lengis]

http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8112/Xbox-360-Exposed/

It's the HD

[Gryph]

Oh ok. When I first saw that pic there was confusion on what it was. I guess that's all cleared up.

[Imfamous]

40 gig harddrive, pretty sweet! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/xbox360/rumor/xbox360_side.jpg

The overall design of 360 looks like a POS though. Who'd they let design it, Jason Jones and the guys at Bungie? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Scream]

Imfamous said:
40 gig harddrive, pretty sweet! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[image]

The overall design of 360 looks like a POS though. Who'd they let design it, Jason Jones and the guys at Bungie? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

I think it looks sweet, except for the controllers which I'm really hoping are bogus pics. Given the look of the unit (if this is actually what it will look like), I suspect the controller pics are bogus, as they don't go with it at all.

[Lengis]

The design is real, but the color and texture of it may change

[IgWannA]

i don't like the medium grey colour, but i do like the almost-silver version.

[NetNessie]

Wheres the emoticon that is laughing histerically?

[Lasakon]

360 is such a crappy name also those controllers almost look has bad has Dreamcast pads.
Still, I may buy it if the launch lineup is good.

[Ivan]

Prooved to be fake:

http://img256.echo.cx/img256/638/xbox360pop35fd.jpg

XBox 360 Dev Kit:

http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/4/xbox360/xenon4macned.jpg

High Res Version of a previous posted picture:

http://img246.echo.cx/img246/3041/xbox360org19rgb2ed2ja.jpg

[Scream]

It's probably MS that is leaking all these pictures so they can fool us all and have a laugh on May 12th when they reveal something that looks completely different, and has a name we've never heard before. Misdirection is better than silence for keeping a secret.

[Ivan]

Scream said:
It's probably MS that is leaking all these pictures so they can fool us all and have a laugh on May 12th when they reveal something that looks completely different, and has a name we've never heard before. Misdirection is better than silence for keeping a secret.



Well yeah won't be a bad idea, actually.

The innards of the XBOX 360:

http://media.teamxbox.com/dailyposts/xbox360/rumor/insidethexbox360.jpg

[Scream]

Wrong. More misinformation. MS has decided the new Xbox will be 5 times the size of the current iteration, and will feature some trusted technology that has been refined specifically for their purposes.

http://mason.gmu.edu/~montecin/vacuum-tubes.jpg

[Lengis]

The console looks awesome from that angle

[Destroyer]

the console looks cool, but the controler looks really wack man.

[Lengis]

I would bet good money the color on the controller will change at least. The dreamcast's controller was originally red, the N64's was purple'ish.

[Yatta]

http://gamershell.com/news/21616.html

[IgWannA]

that was pretty cool. i know it's all hype and stuff but the actual advert was kinda cool

[Hudson]

Ugh, the design looks like they just tried too hard.. plus I don't like the controller.

Also, the name itself cracks me up http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif 360.. for a next gen console.. think about it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Duoae]

Hudson said:
Ugh, the design looks like they just tried too hard.. plus I don't like the controller.

Also, the name itself cracks me up http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif 360.. for a next gen console.. think about it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Yeah, i agree. It's like that episode of The Simsons where they try and introduce Poochie the Dog into Itchy and Scratchy and also the episode where Homer's half-brother lets him design a car.... a melding of those the ideas behind those episodes.

I can see the boardroom conversation now:

Guy#1: We need a new console, something that speaks out to the new generation of gamers.

Guy#2: Xbox2? Yeah! You're right! If we can push the technology like we did* with the Xbox then it's sure to be a hit.... and we can charge more and actually make money per console!

Guy#1: Technology aside, we need to think up some way of making it apeal to "the masses". We need pazazz...... attitude..... coolness! Something the average Joe will want and afford

Artist: *Draws up black Xbox* This is what we have now. We should fire the guy who came up with this.

Guy#2: I did that.

Artist: Oh, did i say fire? I meant HIRE

Guy#1: Okay, wiseguy. Modernise it.

*Artist draws generic box with X logo on top, but silver this time*

Guy#2: Fantastic! There's our Xbox 2!

Guy#1: No, no, no! We need to modernise it! Come around full-circle and re-invent gaming as only MICROSOFT can..... 60's-style! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Guy#2: Wait! That's it! Xbox 360! It's cool, has attitude and say's something about the kinds of people who want to own it!

*Artist, scribbles out some straight lines, giving the box a concave shape - adding a ring shape on the top, surrounding the familiar X logo*

Guy#1: Fantastic! Silver, futuristic looking... check!
Re-invention of the console...... check!
Radical name.... check!

Great, we only need one thing...

Artist: Content?

Guy#2: Support of games producers and distributers?

Guy#1: No! A cool green thingy on the front! Everyone knows that the future technology will incorportate shiny-looky silvery hardware with green lights!

*Artist scribbles some more*

Artist: We're done!

Guy#1: Oh.... only one thing left. We need to make people want it. Release the pyschotropic drugs into the water supply and get those subliminal messages running in the ad's.

[Gryph]

Another rumored picture of the XBOX 360 controller: http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/8172/Xbox-360-New-Picture-of-Controller-Appears-Online/

[Lengis]

prototype of it prolly. the cord is still there

[Logic Bomb]

Icky http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I liked the black and white buttons too...

- LB

[Duoae]

As far as it has been reported (http://news.spong.com/x?art=8647), the one with the cord is the original controller that came with the development kits. The new one has wireless connectivity and an "Xbox 360" button in the middle of the face of the controller.

[Lengis]

Logic Bomb said:
Icky http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I liked the black and white buttons too...

- LB



I didn't. They were hard to reach, and were small. It also limited the amount of buttons you could manipulate at once. Putting them on top makes complete sense.

[Imfamous]

Seeing it in a guy's hand makes me realise that it actually looks really comfy. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I really like that it's white; takes me back to the SNES days.

[Lengis]

I doubt that's the final color actually

[Logic Bomb]

Lengis said:

Logic Bomb said:
Icky http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I liked the black and white buttons too...

- LB



I didn't. They were hard to reach, and were small. It also limited the amount of buttons you could manipulate at once. Putting them on top makes complete sense.



My hands could work them just fine. I never understood this complaint. Maybe my hands are just more versatile then most. Personally I hate dual triggers and could never get used to the ps2 controller because of it.

- LB

[Joe Siegler]

Don't forget about the show on MTV this Thursday in the US.

It's on at 9:30 EST, and runs for half an hour. Supposed to show all the details about it from a gameplay standpoint.

The tech stuff will be revealed at E3.

[Spyd]

In the rest of the world it will be the next day (friday 13th), at the same hour, but it depends on the country.
Here in Spain you need to have cable or satellite to get MTV. I'm lucky that my parents have satellite http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Gryph]

Supposedly the celebs at the MTV party got to see PDZ but it won't be on the show.

[Lengis]

You know what sucks? My mom canceled our satelite a few days ago, and we won't get regular cable in time for this thursday. DAMN!!

[Duoae]

Radiomarek said:

Features for Gold service: * Also for Silver // # Also for Offline

- Seamless transition to Xbox Live account from Xbox to Xbox 360
- Access to MMOs (additional fees may apply) *
- Free Xbox Live weekends *
- Multiplayer online gameplay
- Avatar for gamer profile * #
- Motto for gamer profile * #
- Personalized look for Xbox System Guide * #
- Offline achievments * #
- Online achievements *
- Access to other players' Gamer cards via Live *
- Cumulative gamer score * #
- Location/language profile * #
- Reputation *
- Enahnced matchmaking using above
- Skill level matchmaking
- Gameplay style profile (casual, competitive, etc.)
- Recent players list *
- Free and premium download game content *
- Free and premium downloadable movies, music, tv *
- Downloadable demos/trailers *
- Microtransactions *
- Custom playlist in every game * #
- Play music from portable devices * #
- View images from digital camera * #
- Strem media from Windows XP * #
- Interactive screen savers * #
- Track info for CDs * #
- Communication with voice, video or text *




Brought this over from the locked thread as it interested me.

So let me get this straight. There are two subscription services.
Normal and Premium (no need to have gold and silver as there is no bronze!).

Normal doesn't get:
Seamless transfer of Xbox live account - (So basically it's still allowed but they put problems in the way?)

Multiplayer online gameplay - (WHAT?!!, what is the point of live then?)

Enhanced matchmaking using above

Skill level matchmaking
- (So you end up with a bunch of asses or newbies more than likely?)

There seems to be pretty much no real reason to have the normal "Live!". I mean, they've taken the online gaming out of the f**king online gaming service! I wonder what the difference in pricing will be. If it's a big difference then i will hate MS for being bitches.

The main thing i don't get is the transfer of the accounts. Either it's written in a funny way, or you can still transfer your account - but probably after MS have transferred all the Gold users..... but what happens if everone buys Gold? You're still going to have to wait. Also, is the Live account still compatible with the old Xbox and games or is that it, you have to only play on the Xbox 2 now?

[Joe Siegler]

How about we wait till everything is formally announced before freaking out? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Yenz]

When is the launch program on MTV for people in Europe? Friday or thursday (12th or 13th) at 22.00 (10pm)?
I'm just confused.

[Duoae]

Joe3DR said:
How about we wait till everything is formally announced before freaking out? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Hehe, i've just had a tiring day at work. I'm not in the mood for annoying company politicking, etc.

Sorry if i seemed like i was freaking out. It was more of a minor break down http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Yenz]

Joe3DR said:
How about we wait till everything is formally announced before freaking out? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


We will freak out when the launch game for Xbox 360 is Duke Nukem Forever http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Joe Siegler]

Duoae said:

Joe3DR said:
How about we wait till everything is formally announced before freaking out? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Hehe, i've just had a tiring day at work. I'm not in the mood for annoying company politicking, etc.

Sorry if i seemed like i was freaking out. It was more of a minor break down http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Go read this:

http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=4844

The bit at the bottom about XBL.. Assuming this is true, I don't think there's any need to freak out.


There will be two versions of Xbox Live. Silver is free (everyone gets it), and Gold is a paid subscription, like the current XBL. It looks like Xbox Live will be free on the weekends for everyone; Gold members will get it all the time, obviously. Current Xbox Live accounts will carry over to the 360 and become Gold Xbox Live accounts. Both Gold and Silver members will be able to download demos, trailers, and other content through XBL.

[Duoae]

Hmmm, as you said, i'll wait until all the info is released by MS. But as it stands, if silver doesn't have online multiplayer gaming (not even on weekends) it kinda puts it into almost uslessness. Although it would be pretty cool to have downloadable content for free.... however, i wonder on the load this network will have on weekends.

[Imfamous]

PDZ

http://www.ourcolony.net/images/logos/L2893749823.jpg

[DudeMiester]

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1488407751772606.JPG
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000490042605/

And now you can bask in it's I-Pod like glory. Well it does use PowerPC processors, so it makes sense it looks like a Mac, what else did you expect? lol

Here's more pictures:

The Remote Control:
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/8390731317563729.JPG
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000040042613/

The Controller:
http://img.engadget.com/common/images/1387385638449262.JPG
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000200042615/

Size Comparision:
http://www.xbox-mag.net/upload/jeux/27918.ps2vsxbox2.jpg

Plug Type (It's a manged up USB port):
http://img184.echo.cx/img184/2264/cord0eo.jpg

PS: For the record, [u]I did get the awesome post</u>! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif My photos are real. None of the ones here are real, just illustrations. I was beaten to it by no one.

[Lengis]

Imfamous said:
PDZ

http://www.ourcolony.net/images/logos/L2893749823.jpg



goosebumps http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Imfamous]

I"d hit it.

[NetNessie]

Imfamous said:
I"d hit it.



I do not want to know what you *do* with your consoles! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[John]

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif Bad memories of why some perverted people used to choose Playstation over N64.

[Imfamous]

Halo 3

http://home.quicknet.nl/qn/prive/loos/pictures/halsoon1.jpg

By the time this comes out gamers will be sick of Bungie's lies and hype.

[Ivan]

^^ What the hell is on that screenshot? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Lengis]

http://darkzero.co.uk/images/gr1.jpg
http://darkzero.co.uk/images/gr2.jpg
http://darkzero.co.uk/images/gr3.jpg
http://darkzero.co.uk/images/gr4.jpg

Enjoy

[Gryph]

Enjoy: http://msxb.wmod.llnwd.net/a274/o2/ourcolony/TheColony_v1_750k.wmv

Water mixture cooled CPU. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[IgWannA]

^^ what he said! i saw the video on eurogamer, it looks pretty awesome. i really liked the specs http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[IgWannA]

lengis, do you have a bigger scan of those ghost recon 3 screenshots? or anyone?!

[Gryph]

Nope, no larger pics exist.

[Logic Bomb]

could someone convert it to english http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

- LB

[Gryph]

Gryph said:
Nope, no larger pics exist.


Actually, I was wrong.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3140460

[Imfamous]

Gears of War looks ****in amazing. Finally a scary horror shooting game that can rival the original Dooms? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

http://www.mtv.com/games/video_games/xbox/index.jhtml

[Lasakon]

I'm wholly unimpressed, my computer is already better than it. Seriously, nothing to be wowed over.

[Lengis]

Lasakon said:
I'm wholly unimpressed, my computer is already better than it.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Lasakon]

Lengis said:

Lasakon said:
I'm wholly unimpressed, my computer is already better than it.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Correction, will be better. Still, I'm not too impressed with any x-box 360 stuff yet.

[Imfamous]

Lasakon said:

Lengis said:

Lasakon said:
I'm wholly unimpressed, my computer is already better than it.



BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Correction, will be better. Still, I'm not too impressed with any x-box 360 stuff yet.



But does your computer make you a bacon, lettuce, and tomato sandwitch, fetch the paper, and do your laundry?

[Logic Bomb]

Jesus christ it's video games, not everything f**king created needs to rival your overly costly computers for gods sake.

Whatever anyone says, Xbox360 will have 2 things you can't take away from it:

- Fun games (or at least a fanbase that considers the games fun)
- Revolutary things to the consol market

Quite frankly i haven't seen the new stuff yet or the mtv thing yet (on in half an hour) but i'm quite interested as a consol fan.

- LB

[Gryph]

Logic Bomb said:
Jesus christ it's video games, not everything f**king created needs to rival your overly costly computers for gods sake.

Whatever anyone says, Xbox360 will have 2 things you can't take away from it:

- Fun games (or at least a fanbase that considers the games fun)
- Revolutary things to the consol market

Quite frankly i haven't seen the new stuff yet or the mtv thing yet (on in half an hour) but i'm quite interested as a consol fan.

- LB


Don't bother watching the MTV special. It's a complete waste of time.

[Riddlewire]

My impressions:

-PDZ looked like complete ass. This is supposed to be their flagship launch title? Better put the screws to Rare and get them to work a lot harder.
-Everything else looked good, especially PGR3 (if that's what that was).
-Customizable faceplates is a stupid idea. The reason people trick out their cars is because they can take them around and show them off. Nobody carries a 15 pound console around when walking through the mall. There's just no reason to make this a 'feature'.
-I still can't tell if I have to yet again purchase a separate remote just to play DVDs.
-This MTV program will be a much better benefit to The Killers than to Microsoft.

I'd like to point out that nearly all the development work thus far has still been on the beta devkits featuring PC parts thrown together. None of those games they showed were built on final X360 hardware. I fully expect the final versions to be vastly improved visually.

[Logic Bomb]

Technically the alpha dev kits werent just thrown together with store parts, they wer made of 2-core (as opposed to 3) systems with dumbed down specs while the final system was being dev'd.

I imagine the remote should be included or at least the system will be able to play stuff out of the box. They are spouting the xbox 360 as a media center capable of playing everything under the sun including hooking up to your xp box to play movies / music as well as hooking up digital cams and mp3 players to it to play stuff. If you need a seperate object for it, that would just suck.

- LB

[Lengis]

>>>>>>-Customizable faceplates is a stupid idea. The reason people trick out their cars is because they can take them around and show them off. Nobody carries a 15 pound console around when walking through the mall. There's just no reason to make this a 'feature'.


Seeing as how a lot of people tend to complain about the look of a console, I would say it's important at least to some people. People hated that xbox 360 was white. I rest my case.

[Logic Bomb]

People mod their pc's, same difference...

Also, the faceplate can hold a memory card.

- LB

[Gryph]

I like the faceplate idea especially if there is a pure jet black one.

[Lengis]

Just curious though, does the faceplate cover the whole console, or just the front?

[Logic Bomb]

front

[Riddlewire]

Lengis said:
Just curious though, does the faceplate cover the whole console, or just the front?


Only the front. Allard demonstrated it.
It looked very mismatched.
It would be like tricking out just the grill of an otherwise stock white Chevy Impala (which the X360 reminds me of for some reason).

[Lengis]

Oh ok. In that case, it sounds pretty pointless http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[elloehpipati]

Anyone knows what the xbox360's grahpics card is the pc equivalent of?

[Lengis]

^It's more advanced than anything currently out

[Rellik66]

Well, the articles on the MTV unvieling are trickling in:
The MTV article (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1501783/20050512/index.jhtml?headlines=true)
Seattle PI article (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/224113_nextxbox13.html) with a nice PDF (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/dayart/20050513/XboxII.pdf) indicating external features, oh and a partial list of games to be expected are at the bottom including:
"NBA 2K6," from 2K Sports
"Call of Duty 2" and "Tony Hawk's American Wasteland" from Activision Publishing.
"Quake 4," from id Software
"Madden NFL 06," "Need for Speed: Most Wanted" and "Tiger Woods PGA Tour 06" from Electronic Arts
"The Darkness," from Majesco Entertainment.
"Perfect Dark: Zero," "Kameo: Elements of Power," "PGR 3" and "Gears of War" from Microsoft Game Studios
"Saint's Row" from THQ
"Ghost Recon 3" from Ubisoft Entertainment

Doing a Google news search (http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&ned=&ie=UTF-8&q=xbox+360&btnG=Search+News) shows a lot of articles

[elloehpipati]

Im sure there has to be some downside to the card... i heard its 10 mb only

"The graphics chip will also have 10MB of superfast embedded DRAM,"

[elloehpipati]

exerpt from ign article

"Inside the Avalon, a medium-sized club perfectly suited for up-and-coming bands, the focus was on the combined experience of seeing the Killers, watching Ejiah Woods introduce them, and pretty much in third place, seeing the Xbox 360. I did a casual survey of 10 random people who attended to learn why they had come. Was it to see the unveiling of Microsoft's sleek, understated new console? Did they realize the gaming world was primed to study its every contour? By my count, eight of the 10 people there were to see the Killers and Snow Patrol. A few didn't even know what the Xbox 360 was.
"

[Lengis]

It shares the system ram between the processor and the GPU.

[Kev_Hectic]

Here's a bunch of videos that an XBox fan site ripped from the MTV event. Quake 4 actually looks pretty good (and it doesn't really look like a Doom 3 mod at all, IMO), and the Gears of War (the Unreal Engine 3 game) video is amazing...


PGR3 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1271_en.html

Quake 4 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1275_en.html

Gears of Wars :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1273_en.html

Ghost recon 3 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1272_en.html

Call of Duty 2 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1274_en.html

NBA 2k6 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1276_en.html

3 condemned videos:
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_1488_en.html

6 Full Auto videos:
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_1490_en.html

[Joe Siegler]

Very good link

http://features.teamxbox.com/xbox/1143/Taking-a-Spin-with-the-Xbox-360/p1

Really detailed story and specs. I suggest reading all of it, and there's a lot.

[Logic Bomb]

elloehpipati said:
Im sure there has to be some downside to the card... i heard its 10 mb only

"The graphics chip will also have 10MB of superfast embedded DRAM,"



The 360 was designed for total integration of the components. Everything feeds off everything else in a MUCH more efficient manner then anything a PC can do now. If they started developing pc's like the 360 we'de see a lot faster gaming machines with more complicated specs. The video card itself is hardly the be all and end all of what it's capable of.

- LB

[Logic Bomb]

Joe3DR said:
Very good link

http://features.teamxbox.com/xbox/1143/Taking-a-Spin-with-the-Xbox-360/p1

Really detailed story and specs. I suggest reading all of it, and there's a lot.



http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3140209&did=1

This one as well. Some of the same info, some new.

- LB

[dark_angel]

Kev_Hectic said:
Here's a bunch of videos that an XBox fan site ripped from the MTV event. Quake 4 actually looks pretty good (and it doesn't really look like a Doom 3 mod at all, IMO), and the Gears of War (the Unreal Engine 3 game) video is amazing...


PGR3 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1271_en.html

Quake 4 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1275_en.html

Gears of Wars :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1273_en.html

Ghost recon 3 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1272_en.html

Call of Duty 2 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1274_en.html

NBA 2k6 :
http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1276_en.html

3 condemned videos:
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_1488_en.html

6 Full Auto videos:
http://www.xboxyde.com/news_1490_en.html



WoW, nice games!

The Unreal3 engine! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Gryph]

Wow...Gears of War looks good.

[crunchy superman]

Has it been revealed yet if there will be DVI or HDMI connections, or did I just overlook it?

[Imfamous]

Riddlewire said:
My impressions:

-PDZ looked like complete ass. This is supposed to be their flagship launch title? Better put the screws to Rare and get them to work a lot harder.




I thought it looked awesome considering it was in alpha stage, running on alpha Xbox 360 development kits (machines that possess only two of the three CPU cores in the final spec, as well as a run-of-the-mill ATI graphics card as opposed to the final, custom GPU set.

[Joe Siegler]

crunchysuperman said:
Has it been revealed yet if there will be DVI or HDMI connections, or did I just overlook it?



That's not announced yet - it's probably going to be the same deal as current Xbox (although Xbox cables won't work with 360), where a single cable comes out and then you branch off from that.

Official site is up:

http://www.xbox360.com

[DudeMiester]

Imfamous said:
Gears of War looks ****in amazing. Finally a scary horror shooting game that can rival the original Dooms? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

http://www.mtv.com/games/video_games/xbox/index.jhtml



btw, for all you non-Americans: http://www.publicproxyservers.com/page1.html

Just use one of the US proxies, and you can access the page.

EDIT2:

Even better direct links works with any browser:
Full Auto:
http://www.mtv.com/sitewide/apps/mediapl...282&x=x.asx (http://www.mtv.com/sitewide/apps/mediaplayer/asxmaker.jhtml?clipids=1736000&site_type=music&section_0=games&section_1=video_games&section_2=xbox&section_3=index.jhtml&hasVideoIntro=false&hasVideoOutro=false&vid=48282&x=x.asx)
Condemned:
http://www.mtv.com/sitewide/apps/mediapl...283&x=x.asx (http://www.mtv.com/sitewide/apps/mediaplayer/asxmaker.jhtml?clipids=1736024&site_type=music&section_0=games&section_1=video_games&section_2=xbox&section_3=index.jhtml&hasVideoIntro=false&hasVideoOutro=false&vid=48283&x=x.asx)

[crunchy superman]

Joe3DR said:

crunchysuperman said:
Has it been revealed yet if there will be DVI or HDMI connections, or did I just overlook it?



That's not announced yet - it's probably going to be the same deal as current Xbox (although Xbox cables won't work with 360), where a single cable comes out and then you branch off from that.





Thanks.

[Lengis]

Gryph said:
Wow...Gears of War looks good.



I expect nothing less from the Unreal Engine 3 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Gryph]

Lengis said:

Gryph said:
Wow...Gears of War looks good.



I expect nothing less from the Unreal Engine 3 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


I meant as is more than graphics. It actually looks like a good game. That beast running after that guy was quite impressive.

And Imfamous, how come all these other games that also used the same SDKs look better than PD0? That's no excuse. Especially since Rare is owned by MS so they ought to get the stuff first.

[Riddlewire]

Imfamous said:

Riddlewire said:
My impressions:

-PDZ looked like complete ass. This is supposed to be their flagship launch title? Better put the screws to Rare and get them to work a lot harder.




I thought it looked awesome considering it was in alpha stage, running on alpha Xbox 360 development kits (machines that possess only two of the three CPU cores in the final spec, as well as a run-of-the-mill ATI graphics card as opposed to the final, custom GPU set.



Yes, I took that into account. But I also considered the fact that all the other development teams had access to the same hardware and they were able to come up with vastly better looking games at this point. The difference isn't even close.
I'm not a Rare-basher. I just think that PDZ looked like the product of a team that is still thinking in 1999 gaming terms. Maybe their coders aren't up to the task of dealing with modern computing horsepower.

[elloehpipati]

Anyone thinks theres a possibility that ps3 or nintendo rev will have a PPU?

[Logic Bomb]

PPU?

- LB

[Gryph]

Physics Processing Unit. And I think the Revolution might since PS3 won't really need it with it's CELL processor and all.

[elloehpipati]

I really wonder how rev is gonna turn out. I don't even have the slightest inkling on how it might turn out to be like... but i heard nintendo's betting it all on gameplay.

[Stormbringer]

one chip does graphics one does idunno sound and the other one gets beer from the fridge

[Geir]

X-box 360 right from microsoft (http://www.xbox.com/en-us/xbox360/default.htm)

[SyntaxN]

http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1095/771_0001.jpg

http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1095/771_0003.jpg

http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1095/771_0002.jpg

http://media.xboxyde.com/gallery/public/1095/771_0004.jpg

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Ivan]

The two first screenshots are sweet, the other two are nothing impressive to me.

[Imfamous]

I told ya those screens before didn't nearly represent what the game actually looksl like. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[SyntaxN]

I told ya those screens before didn't nearly represent what the game actually looksl like.


The 4 screens are from an old build of the game, I want to see what Rare has prepared for us!
Perfect Dark=best console shooter ever imo, but I hope that Perfect Dark Zero will beat it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Yatta]

Don't know if it has been posted, but www.xbox360.com (http://www.xbox360.com) is online and operational.

[Imfamous]

SyntaxN said:

I told ya those screens before didn't nearly represent what the game actually looksl like.


The 4 screens are from an old build of the game, I want to see what Rare has prepared for us!
Perfect Dark=best console shooter ever imo, but I hope that Perfect Dark Zero will beat it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



I think it will. I really like that last picture. The environment looks so original, so awesome... It reminds me a lot of Storm Eagle's level in MMX.

[Parkar]

SyntaxN said:

I told ya those screens before didn't nearly represent what the game actually looksl like.


The 4 screens are from an old build of the game, I want to see what Rare has prepared for us!
Perfect Dark=best console shooter ever imo, but I hope that Perfect Dark Zero will beat it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Up until Time splitters 3 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif, talking multi and coop here. Single player is a bit better in perfect dark though. Although I sont realy see them as difrent games, since its the same great gameplay in them all (goldeneye, perfect dark, timesplitter 2/3 (never played the first)) These are the only games I have played that has the controls for an fps on consoles nailed, you simply forget you are playing with a gamepad.

ohh, and those newre shots look a little better. It looked somewhat better in montion in the very littel glimpses you got from that crap mtv show though. Love the skeletons in xray mode.

Why do I care anyway, I'll probably never will play it anyway unless my brother chooses to go with xbox instead of playstaion next.

[Kev_Hectic]

Parkar said:
[

ohh, and those newre shots look a little better.



Yeah, they certainly do. But if these screenshots are really from a new build of the game, then I have to wonder why Rare even bothered showing off those other screenshots a couple days ago? It doesn't make any sense.

[Logic Bomb]

These are the only games I have played that has the controls for an fps on consoles nailed, you simply forget you are playing with a gamepad.




If you don't think the halo games play with perfect intuitive feel for an fps game then you should really try it to add it to your list.

And if using 4 yellow buttons (or holding one) in goldeneye is your idea of nailed fps controls on a gamepad then i have to officially say I highly disagree with you. FPS controls on ANY platform needs to have full control of the 360° environment at a moments notice at a respectable speed. Nothing on the n64 had that in my opinion.

- LB

[Parkar]

Logic Bomb said:

These are the only games I have played that has the controls for an fps on consoles nailed, you simply forget you are playing with a gamepad.




If you don't think the halo games play with perfect intuitive feel for an fps game then you should really try it to add it to your list.

And if using 4 yellow buttons (or holding one) in goldeneye is your idea of nailed fps controls on a gamepad then i have to officially say I highly disagree with you. FPS controls on ANY platform needs to have full control of the 360° environment at a moments notice at a respectable speed. Nothing on the n64 had that in my opinion.

- LB



You only had that on the n64 so yes its the best I ever played on the n64. Never played any of the xbox fps games so its kind of hard for me to say they nailed the controls in any of those. Just like there may of course be other games on ps2 that has good controls, I cant know about the controls about every game there is out there. I ain't made out of money.

Never played more the a couple minutes on th xbox at all. Can't say I liked the controler very much. Its not made for my hands thats for sure.

[pjohnsonjr]

about SyntaxN's picture post...
That first picture, it sure looks like Joanna is kinda cold... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Logic Bomb]

parkar - oh okay i understand you now. I had no idea you were talking strictly n64. The controls were great for that system (as much as they could be) but i would have a hard time getting used to them again after playing halo/etc...

- LB

[Parkar]

Logic Bomb said:
parkar - oh okay i understand you now. I had no idea you were talking strictly n64. The controls were great for that system (as much as they could be) but i would have a hard time getting used to them again after playing halo/etc...

- LB



Actualy didn't think of the fact that you had only one analogue stick on the n64. Just that it uses the same control setup. And the "feeling" is the same but its much easier in Time Splitters because of the two analogue sticks.

Anyway this is a bit oftopic.

[Steve]

I have to say the console looks very cool. Better than the original Xbox http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Lengis]

I just wish the top was more interesting. Like, have that cool X that was shown in the fake render that was floating around. It's so......... plain on top

[Steve]

Lengis said:
I just wish the top was more interesting. Like, have that cool X that was shown in the fake render that was floating around. It's so......... plain on top


I'm sure you can fancy it up by sticking a few decals on it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[AutoPilot]

X-Box 360 - The first crappy game.

http://www.gametrailers.com/streambuilde...mp;w=480&r= (http://www.gametrailers.com/streambuilder.php?type=wmv&streamtext=von:1::m:t_framecity_gp_e35&h=436&w=480&r=)

http://forums.idlethumbs.net/images/smilies/puke.gif

-=AutoPilot=-

[Steve]

AutoPilot said:


X-Box 360 - The first crappy game.

http://www.gametrailers.com/streambuilde...mp;w=480&r= (http://www.gametrailers.com/streambuilder.php?type=wmv&streamtext=von:1::m:t_framecity_gp_e35&h=436&w=480&r=)

http://forums.idlethumbs.net/images/smilies/puke.gif

-=AutoPilot=-


WTF? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[avatar_58]

Looks like rockstar material... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif Not sure why but it has GTA- written on it. That sniper shot sound was taken right out of GTA:VC

I'm not sure what to say about that game....what on earth is it about? GTA: Las Vegas??

[Gryph]

Wow...this game looks like crap. Either that or the developers don't know how to put together a good video collage of their game.

[avatar_58]

Gryph said:
Wow...this game looks like crap. Either that or the developers don't know how to put together a good video collage of their game.



You mean all that running and firecracker-gunning didn't turn your crank?? Mein gotte! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Can we show this to the next console fan who claims all the best games are for consoles?? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Steve]

avatar_58 said:

Gryph said:
Wow...this game looks like crap. Either that or the developers don't know how to put together a good video collage of their game.



You mean all that running and firecracker-gunning didn't turn your crank?? Mein gotte! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Can we show this to the next console fan who claims all the best games are for consoles?? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif


Looks pretty realistic http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[AutoPilot]

It's called "Frame City Killer"

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/747/747906.html

http://forums.idlethumbs.net/images/smilies/puke.gif

Made in Japan and published by Namco; uses the Unreal 3 Engine; target release date is the end of this year and they hope to sell 1 million copies.

-=AutoPilot=-

[Steve]

AutoPilot said:
It's called "Frame City Killer"

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/747/747906.html

http://forums.idlethumbs.net/images/smilies/puke.gif

Published by Namco and using the Unreal 3 Engine, target release date is the end of this year and they hope to sell 1 million copies.

-=AutoPilot=-


Firefox doesn't like that website http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Mr.Blud]

The actual video sucked, but the city looked awesome and the frame rate was great.

Nice to see Unreal III can really populate a city.

Get rid of the canned death animations and it might be a pretty good game, it at least looks decent.

[Paroxysm]

AutoPilot said:
It's called "Frame City Killer"

http://xbox360.ign.com/objects/747/747906.html

http://forums.idlethumbs.net/images/smilies/puke.gif

Made in Japan and published by Namco; uses the Unreal 3 Engine; target release date is the end of this year and they hope to sell 1 million copies.

-=AutoPilot=-



From the videos of the game we've seen so far I hope they sell zero. Nice city scapes but horrendous looking gameplay, graphical bugs everywhere and shithouse animation.

[Logic Bomb]

Wow, that doesn't deserve to be released. Half that prevew looked like "sim run" and the rest looked like shit. People got shot and lifted into the air?

I will say the one thing I did like was the little punch scene at the end, i liked the ripple effects but this game better sell nothing...

- LB

[X-Vector]

Mr.Blud said:
The actual video sucked, but the city looked awesome and the frame rate was great.

Nice to see Unreal III can really populate a city.




Agreed, I really like the feeling of moving around a busy neon-lit nighttime city.

The gameplay looks to be missing and the second (first person POV) video is awful, but for a moment there it really drew my attention like almost none of the other 'next-gen' engine games have managed to do.
There's colour, light and less over-the-top shininess and bumpiness than usual (although still too much for my taste).
Perhaps I just like it because it creates a fantasy about a next GTA game set in Tokio, looking like this but with the gameplay variety of Vice City and the relative depth of Deus Ex.
Now that I would buy for a euro.

I'd like to see this in higher quality though, sometimes the grain and fuziness of low calibre footage can trick the brain because it 'adds' the missing details.

[lonestar]

btw:

http://www.g4tv.com/e32005/features/51719/THEME_FROM_E3_ON_G4.html

comdey gold! *rofl*

[Logic Bomb]

I want a duck hunt gun for my computer.

- LB

[Agulf]

Hm. Speeking of computers.. Wonder if microsoft made a way to use xbox live through your normal Pc-broadband. So you dont need to pay for the extra Live-connection. Can't be -that- hard, can it?

[Logic Bomb]

Xbox DOES use normal broadband. You pay for the service that is xbox live. That will never chance because they can make money on it and it costs them money to maintain it.

- LB

[Gryph]

XBOX 360 will have that Live! Silver package which is free.

[Lengis]

Gryph said:
XBOX 360 will have that Live! Silver package which is free.



Which is nice, but you can't play games on it. Can only download updates, and things. They did say they will have golden weekends from time to time, where silver peeps can play games durring these trial periods.

[Scream]

Decent Gamespot rundown of the 360. Nothing we don't already know, but not a bad read regardless:

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6124293/index.html?q=1&tag=gs_x360_topslot_click

[Scream]

Backwards compatibility confirmed, as well as an updated version of FFXI coming to Xbox 360...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124746.html

[Steve]

Scream said:
Backwards compatibility confirmed, as well as an updated version of FFXI coming to Xbox 360...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124746.html


Awesome! I'm getting both consoles now http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Gryph]

Anybody watching the XBOX conference stream?
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/e32005/vid-e32005livewebcast-001-Lo.asx

It's choppy as all hell.

[Steve]

Gryph said:
Anybody watching the XBOX conference stream?
http://www.xbox.com/media/games/e32005/vid-e32005livewebcast-001-Lo.asx

It's choppy as all hell.


My connection sucks at the moment http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[maximan]

I'm waiting till it's up on gamespot

EDIT: Screw that, I'm watching it right now. IMO, this isn't nearly as good as PS3 press conference...

[Gryph]

Alright, it finished a few minutes ago and it was pretty cool. It just reinforced the games that I'll be getting on PC. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif It was nice to see footage of TES IV: Oblivion with shadows! I think this console is going to be a huge sucess. I'll eventually get one but it'll be a while down the road.

[Logic Bomb]

Scream said:
Backwards compatibility confirmed, as well as an updated version of FFXI coming to Xbox 360...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124746.html



Limited backwards compatibilitiy.

- LB

[Dogy]

Logic Bomb said:

Scream said:
Backwards compatibility confirmed, as well as an updated version of FFXI coming to Xbox 360...

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/16/news_6124746.html



Limited backwards compatibilitiy.

- LB



And? As stated, it may be because some games won't work
with the Xenon.

[Dogy]

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/616/616188p1.html

Gears of War footage confirmed in-game.


The demonstration was run by Cliff Bleszinski, the lead designer. We saw a sizeable chunk of gameplay in two levels. Everything we saw was in-game, and in many sections looked as good as a CG movie

[BioHazard]

The official word on backwards-compatibility in Xbox 360 (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=8996)

How do you feel about having to buy all your old titles again? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Agulf]

Ouch. Now thats just a kick below the waist. :/
Any idea on how much that will cost?

[BioHazard]

Agulf said:
Any idea on how much that will cost?



Nope, but I would guess that existing owners of an xbox game would be able to get a discount off the 'ported' xbox 360 version. I don't think MS would be stupid enough to charge full price to people that people already own the game.

Either way it's not really backwards-compatibility, no matter which way you look at it.

[Logic Bomb]

Expect to pay full price no doubt about it.

Heres what I plan to do: Say bollocks to microsoft's limited backwards compatibilities and just keep my old xbox. Sucks but not much else can be done. I don't feel like picking and choosing which titles i want to bring over, i'de rather all or nothing.

- LB

[Scream]

I don't understand what you guys are talking about, unless the text of that linked to article has changed. It states very clearly that Microsoft says you won't have to buy your old titles again, and that the existing ones will work.

[Gryph]

Yes, there has been an update since earlier. Hence the "Update: Added Microsoft comment." comment at the bottom. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[BioHazard]

Scream said:
I don't understand what you guys are talking about, unless the text of that linked to article has changed. It states very clearly that Microsoft says you won't have to buy your old titles again, and that the existing ones will work.



The way it will work is that you will have to download a recompiled executable which will take the game's data (models, art, sound etc.) from the xbox disk and enable it to run on the xbox 360. This means you will need to buy the hard drive and have a subsription to xbox live to get the patches.

[Rellik66]

Permadeath said:

Scream said:
I don't understand what you guys are talking about, unless the text of that linked to article has changed. It states very clearly that Microsoft says you won't have to buy your old titles again, and that the existing ones will work.



The way it will work is that you will have to download a recompiled executable which will take the game's data (models, art, sound etc.) from the xbox disk and enable it to run on the xbox 360. This means you will need to buy the hard drive and have a subsription to xbox live to get the patches.

Remember that there will be two levels of xbox live, basic free (Silver) and paid(gold). Hopefully the updates will be part of the silver service. AFAIK, gold is primarily intended to add multiplayer support.

Oh, I also think that the 20 Gig hard drive will be included in the basic 360 package, the key here is that it is the hard drive is removable and [u]upgradeable</u>

[Joe Siegler]

The Xbox 360 Interface has been revealed.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Revealed_Xbox_360_User_Interface/1116564393

[Micki!]

Joe3DR* said:
The Xbox 360 Interface has been revealed.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Revealed_Xbox_360_User_Interface/1116564393


Looks colorfull... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[IwantMORE]

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

[Dogy]

Joe3DR said:
The Xbox 360 Interface has been revealed.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Revealed_Xbox_360_User_Interface/1116564393



Me like http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif . Reminds me of the NDS boot-up interface.

[Yatta]

IwantMORE said:
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif


I don't like it very much either. And I'm an Xbox fan, damn it! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Ivan]

There was a partial image of it in the latest Time Magazine issue. And it's ugly indeed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

[Ivan]

*Double Posts*

Interresting Link: http://www.gamershell.com/news/22279.html

[Dogy]

It seems the 'Box is the most powerful console again.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html

[Yatta]

Dogy said:
It seems the 'Box is the most powerful console again.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html


This makes me happy, because the Xbox 360 will be out first and if I end up buying it, I can be sure that I have the most powerful console out of the three. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

We still don't know for sure, though.

[BioHazard]

Central Processing Unit (CPU) performance.

The Xbox 360 CPU architecture has three times the general purpose processing power of the Cell.

Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) performance

The Xbox 360 GPU design is more flexible and it has more processing power than the PS3 GPU.

Memory System Bandwidth

The memory system bandwidth in Xbox 360 exceeds the PS3's by five times.



This has to be new marketing low for Microsoft, I didn't think they'd resort to out and out lies. I know Sony showing pre-rendered videos and not telling us whether it was in-game footage was bad, but this is worse imo. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[MegaMustaine]

Dogy said:
It seems the 'Box is the most powerful console again.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html



This is a twist on every spec by microsoft, and that is why they say that even if they haven't convinced you that their console is the best performance wise it is only "1/3 of the puzzle." Give me a damn break. Microsoft is always full of such BS. Oh and by the way in case anyone was wondering the killzone, fight night, and the unreal demos on the PS3 were all recently confirmed to be real time.

[Kev_Hectic]

Here's a blurry shakey cam video of what Sega showed off at E3 behind closed doors...

http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1399_en.html

The shitty quality video shows a new Mech Warrior styled game called Chrome Hounds (and it's the best looking game of the bunch, IMO. Looks really nice.), a new After Burner game, a new House of the Dead game, Virtua Fighter 5, and a new Sonic title.

[FireFly]

Permadeath said:
This has to be new marketing low for Microsoft, I didn't think they'd resort to out and out lies. I know Sony showing pre-rendered videos and not telling us whether it was in-game footage was bad, but this is worse imo. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif


Well, I think it's kind of expected. Every company twists facts to make its products look as attractive as possible. You expect to be deceived when looking at a spec sheet. An actual 'in-game' video is a bit different, however.

Anyway, I'm not sure all these claims are lies. The Cell has incredible parallel computing power, but in terms of general purpose processing power I think it's a lot more limited. So A.I for instance is one area where the Xbox 360's chip may turn out to be superior. In fact, I remember someone saying off the record at a game developers conference that this will be a real problem for next generation consoles, which are heavily parralised.

Again with the GPU. The unified shader system does allow for a lot more flexibility, especially when dealing with situations that need heavy vertex processing capacity. So realistic cloth or grass simulation becomes viable in real time, and you can make animations a lot more complex.

[Scream]

MegaMustaine said:
Oh and by the way in case anyone was wondering the killzone, fight night, and the unreal demos on the PS3 were all recently confirmed to be real time.



Nothing is confirmed until it's plugged into my TV and running. That having been said, Sony's press conference was much more impressive than Microsoft's, so if they are all liars, Sony is better at it.

I'll wait until they come out to judge. Ultimately, I am pretty sure I'll have both.

[Kristian Joensen]

MegaMustaine said:
Oh and by the way in case anyone was wondering the killzone, fight night, and the unreal demos on the PS3 were all recently confirmed to be real time.



Except for Unreal I have heard exactly the opposite, what is your source for this information ?

[Lasakon]

MegaMustaine said:

Dogy said:
It seems the 'Box is the most powerful console again.

http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html



This is a twist on every spec by microsoft, and that is why they say that even if they haven't convinced you that their console is the best performance wise it is only "1/3 of the puzzle." Give me a damn break. Microsoft is always full of such BS. Oh and by the way in case anyone was wondering the killzone, fight night, and the unreal demos on the PS3 were all recently confirmed to be real time.


If by Real-Time you mean "not turn-based" then yes, you are correct.

[Twin]

Kev_Hectic said:
Here's a blurry shakey cam video of what Sega showed off at E3 behind closed doors...

http://www.xboxyde.com/leech_1399_en.html

The shitty quality video shows a new Mech Warrior styled game called Chrome Hounds (and it's the best looking game of the bunch, IMO. Looks really nice.), a new After Burner game, a new House of the Dead game, Virtua Fighter 5, and a new Sonic title.



are these titles for the x-box 360 or just next gen titles in general?
i'm sure i read somewhere else that sega just showed a bunch of next gen games (the games u mentioned) but didn't say which consoles they were on....which brings me to beleive that maybe (most likely the sonic one) some of them could've been nintendo revolution games http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Kev_Hectic]

^ I'm pretty sure the mech game is for the XBox 360, both IGN and Gamespot have it listed as an 360 title. And I think Sonic will also be one as well (at least I've read rumors that the next Sonic game would be for the 360) but it wouldn't surprise me it it ended up on multiple consoles.

But yeah, the rest of them might not be 360 games.

[dark_angel]

Some bunch of Xbox 360 game trailers in high definition. (http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=abde1e02-b529-469e-ae6a-7417fcde9e12&DisplayLang=en)

[Ivan]

*bows*

[Imfamous]

New, in-game GOW shot.

http://www.neuropsyne.com/brumakcanyon12808zi.jpg

Can't wait to see a Battlelord in DNF with that much detail! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Kev_Hectic]

I saw this somewhere else, it's a video of Cliffy B. playing Gears of War...

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000060044548/

[Dr. Kill]

holy ****in shit! Uckin famazing!

[Ivan]

Sure it's in-game and not concept art?

[Dr. Kill]

I wouldn't doubt if it's ingame, but either way it's impressive.

[DudeMiester]

That's definitly in-game. Look the branches are going though the monster's foot, the polygons are very apparent, etc...

[Dr. Kill]

I gues they still haven't fixed the ol' one guy goes through another guy bug.