Not another O/S war

[avatar_58]

I started this on my forum, but I thought I would post it across some message boards to get varied opinions. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


This is not "another o/s debate" but instead I want to ask a question. Here it is:

What the $%#^ is wrong with people?

That sound frank, but let me explain. Why do people get so bent out of shape over an operating system? I just don't understand.... Its a piece of software! Not a life style...It always seems that out there people go bannanas when someone "disses" their choice and they backfire with insults like "Fanboy!" or "Troll!" and their ego grows in size. It's become common on the internet which was supposed to be about freedom of speech and opinion.

Lets look at the main issues of all 3.

1) If you like mac os you are perceived as a niche user who only cares about looks and not substance. You also yell at ANY mac related fodder and basicallly hail jobs.

2) If you like Linux then you are an elite user. You are god and all should bow to your knowledge. If anything yells at linux, backfire and assume the attacker uses windows. Remember, you "chose" everything about your O/S and since it works for you everyone must use it too!

3) If you like windows then your a noob. Everyone knows you only do it because "everyone else does". You yell at both of the other O/S just because they are not your cup of tea and claim "its my way or the highway" when it comes to getting anything done.


Well....thats basicaly the perceptions of the internet. Why? Well there may be some people who actually fall into those perceptions but I seriously doubt that it holds true for all users of any O/S. I just really would like to understand why its seen this way: How come if you praise Linux your fighting the power and are for "freedom" yet if you praise Mac your just being naive and if you praise windows your useless and are a m$ lover. Thats what really makes me laugh.

What do I use you ask? Windows....it does what I need, not because I dislike the other two. In all truth I've never used a mac nor have I been enlightened to different linux flavours (only slackware/redhat). Is there a better choice for me? Maybe. Do I care? Not really...unless some linux varient tickles me a certain way, or if I somehow obtain a mac to try out. Does this make me a noob and a moron? I guess so since I support the evil M$ empire and don't have any linux penguin bumper stickers or wallpapers

People need to leave this kind of thing off the net. Why not constructivly criticize all choices? An O/S is meant to provide you with a good platform. If someone finds one platform above another...why should that make you feel threatened? It doesn't make sense.

If you flame me or call me names you'll only prove me right....

[Kevin Wolff]

It's hard to say. Especially since points 1, 2, and 3 aren't entirely accurate. More like cliched. After all, Mac can have substance, Linux can be easy and "done for you," and Windows has smart people using it. You'll never be able to sum up a platform in 3 lines.

Personally, I like the diversity more than anything. I have Linux running native here, Windows 2000 running in VMware, I'll have a Mac when I get some money, and I even try out some really obscure OSes every once in a while (QNX, *BSD in the last year). Keeps me from getting bored with anything.

[Phait]

Same tool different design.

[avatar_58]

Kevin Wolff said:
It's hard to say. Especially since points 1, 2, and 3 aren't entirely accurate. More like cliched.



That was the point, my good man. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif However they are thrown around the net like its true and thats not correct.

I too would rather have diversity. However to some there really only is one "choice" in their mind.

[Kevin Wolff]

avatar_58 said:
That was the point, my good man. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif However they are thrown around the net like its true and thats not correct.


Probably such people are idiots and will be igorned eventually. Even at an anti-MS site I go to, they're starting to filter out the cliched stuff in favor of something more sophisticated.

[avatar_58]

I just don't like the fact that people downplay one's choice in an O/S. No matter you use someone thinks you could be better off with their choice http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

People need to realise that an O/S is a choice, thats whats so good about nowadays we have many choices. If someone uses one that you don't agree with then too bad....at least they are happy. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Geir]

avatar_58 said:
I just don't like the fact that people downplay one's choice in an O/S. No matter you use someone thinks you could be better off with their choice http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

People need to realise that an O/S is a choice, thats whats so good about nowadays we have many choices. If someone uses one that you don't agree with then too bad....at least they are happy. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif



yes, your right, but microsoft makes an illusion of un-fredom to people who just started using computers because microsoft looks like it's monopolising the market (I would say that WITHOUT going into statistics).

[avatar_58]

Dr. Emmett Brown said:
yes, your right, but microsoft makes an illusion of un-fredom to people who just started using computers because microsoft looks like it's monopolising the market (I would say that WITHOUT going into statistics).




And I shan't argue that point because its true. However every company does that really... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif It's not a good thing, but its best ignored. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Eddy Willson]

Does nobody else know what RISC OS is? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Kevin Wolff]

Eddy Willson said:
Does nobody else know what RISC OS is? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


Heh. Yes, I do. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Acorn made that, right? Given that they don't make computers anymore...was it just ported to x86?

[IwantMORE]

Spectrum Basic Rocks http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif poke 10010 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

There are pros and cons with all os's tiger does look good though, out today http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[ZuljinRaynor]

Why do I use Windows? 'cause I used DOS before and then and Windows 3.11. I've always loved the amount and types of games for Windows and I"ve just gone into preference. It just seems Win32 is more popular for games and such that I stick with it. But then again, you won't ever see me using a Mac ever.

IT IS preference. No doubt about it. People just gotta understand that.

Side fact: One teacher in school was like this: "On Mac OS X, MS Word shows you a preview of the fonts, this is something not on your Windows PC." Talk about lol.

[Kevin Wolff]

Side fact: One teacher in school was like this: "On Mac OS X, MS Word shows you a preview of the fonts, this is something not on your Windows PC." Talk about lol.


This appears to go right back to the cliches mentioned at the beginning of the thread. An idiot said something stupid, happens somewhere in the world 5 times a second. But you appear to be judging the platform on that. (In fact, I've noticed that schools try to make Macs the worst they can be, but that's another point.) Are you?

[Eddy Willson]

Kevin Wolff said:
Heh. Yes, I do. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Acorn made that, right? Given that they don't make computers anymore...was it just ported to x86?



Meet RISC OS 5 and the almighty IYONIX machine (http://www.iyonix.com/)
<font color="#1F1F22">I want one *cries*</font>

[Phait]

ZuljinRaynor said:
But then again, you won't ever see me using a Mac ever.



You quite possibly might be eating these words in the future.

Years ago I hated Macs for no other reason really than they didn't have the amount of games available as windows did.

I started doing music, did some research and went with Mac.

Of course, I still prefer Windows as a gaming platform. Mac games are overpriced, especially for older games. (I've seen Fallout retail for at least $30/$40, you can get it for $10 or so on PC).

[Piano Man]

I'm going to settle something here...

I have used Both Windows and Macintosh..., and so I am un-biased when it comes to saying this... but PC is more stable and more secure... and I have proof.

When setting up our wireless ADSL connection, we were trying to re-setup the connection details (long story) and we came across a window that actually showed us the password we use to login. WHAT GOOD IS A PASSWORD IF EVERYONE CAN SEE IT!!!

They say that Macintosh is the computer to get for old folks and complete moro..... I won't finish that sentence. I laughed when Macintosh released their last version (the one before Tiger) god knows what it is called at this time. I especially liked the change where when you're logged on, and you want to switch user or logon to another user, you type in the password and the screen turns around like a cube.... WOW - OH MY GOD IF ONLY WINDOWS HAD THAT!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Mac is more stable??? BOLLOCKS!!!! - I had a class for music, and we were using Sibelius (music writing software) and the computer kept crashing every 2 mins. Safari keeps on crashing on the Mac, and so does Internet Explorer. Sometimes, the system hangs.

Mac and PC are both integrate with each other???? F*** OFF!. What a load of Horse Crap... Our Apple Airport won't recognise both our computers (the PC and the Mac) on the same network. So everytime I want to print something, I have to send it to an e-mail account on the mac, and then print it from the mac.



In summary, I gave them a chance, and Mac let me down. I wouldn't Own a mac for twice as long as they can keep running without crashing. Sorry but PC's ARE better. They are smoother, more stable and a lot more user friendly.

God Love Bill Gates.

[Phait]

It sounds to me you are judging the entirety of Mac from 1 computer.

Perhaps you are forgetting computers sometimes require maintenance? I'm guessing the Mac running Sibelius was not well maintained.

I am running a Powerbook with OS X 10.2.8 I've had it since September 2003 and I have not had any problems.

[Phayzon]

I used Linux once and boy did it SUCK!!! Its compatible with hmm lets see NOTHING!!! (Or maybe it was, but by the time you figure out how, you forget what you just made it compatible for) Ill leave Mac alone, never used it. But you got the Windows thing all wrong, unless you meant Windows ME, which in my opinion was a buggier, less compatible, Win98. WinXP is ok, it works for what i do, but Win98(SE) Pwns all. I never found a program that couldnt be made compatible with it.

[Kevin Wolff]

A school Mac you talk about? As I've said, school Macs always suck. I'm guessing they hire Windows techs to maintain them or something. Most of the Macs at my school suck, except the one they gave me full control over. Coincedence? I think not.

[DudeMiester]

I'll wait for Longhorn, when the mass exodus to Linux will occur as people reject M$'s DRM, privacy invading, money gouging stragegy. Then with the masses pouring in additional resources, I would expect Linux to be able to surpass both windows and macs in terms of ease of use, while maintaining it's incredible flexiblity and customizability, should you choose to exploit it. Then and only then will I start using Linux.

[ZuljinRaynor]

No, the fact is that they say Macs are superior. I'm just showing that preference gets the best of people. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Sephiroth]

Phayzon said:
I used Linux once and boy did it SUCK!!!



So negitive, yet clueless!


Its compatible with hmm lets see NOTHING!!! (Or maybe it was, but by the time you figure out how, you forget what you just made it compatible for)



You know there is an old saying, the computer is only as smart as the user.


But you got the Windows thing all wrong, unless you meant Windows ME, which in my opinion was a buggier, less compatible, Win98. WinXP is ok, it works for what i do, but Win98(SE) Pwns all. I never found a program that couldnt be made compatible with it.



Nah, he pretty much nailed it, but as far as windows98 goes, well ummm I have two words... swiss cheese! It had and still has more holes then any OS known to man, not to menition it was put together with plastic! It started the whole IE browser intergration bs

[avatar_58]

Those who are edging to this to an O/S debate: Cool it. This was an anti- o/s debate topic http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif We'll have none of that here.

I like to think the best way to describe an O/S is "To each his own" it all depends on what you need done and how YOU (not your friends or people on the 'net) want to do it.

As for the whole Linux revolution going on, its a good thing. It provides compeition towards windows and mac. That way both can become better than they already are. Just take a look at what they are doing to lognhorn....they are learning from their mistakes and even duplicating popular features because thats what people wanted.

Will I ever use a mac or linux if they become great? Maybe, maybe not. I may still want to use windows. Why? Because its what I'm used to and I don't really think I need anything else. Open Source in general is great but I'd rather not go there for the o/s /gui. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Rellik66]

Every OS Sucks (http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=1&q=http://www.deadtroll.com/video/ossuckscable.html&e=9818) (Quicktime)

and be sure to check the Internet Helpdesk (http://www.deadtroll.com/index2.html?/video/helldeskcable.html~content)

[Steve]

I don't give a shit. Just as long as the OS works and I can play games. That's it.

[Orochi Avlis]

Steve said:
I don't give a shit. Just as long as the OS works and I can play games. That's it.


Yea, that's pretty much how I feel.

[Eddy Willson]

Not taking sides, but the thing everybody always forgets with these O/S wars, is that windows is the most common operating system, and there has to be a reason for that.

[Dutch]

The fact that Microsoft dominates the market is the cause of many stereotypical perceptions people have, such as Windows users being noobs. Nobody is forgetting that I thought that was the point of the thread.


One reason why its the most used is because most people don't know there is such a thing as an operating system, they just know that if you buy a computer it has windows on it. It's pretty much a monopoly. And superior quality of product is not the only business strategy that was used to gain such a positon.

[Wamplet]

Steve said:
I don't give a shit. Just as long as the OS works and I can play games. That's it.



Same here. If the new games still ran on MS DOS, I'd still be using that. I didn't go to Win95 until a couple of games I wanted required it.

Of course, I don't really benefit from using a MAC OS or *nix-based OS at work. I think 1 person brought Mac laptop and it was pretty easy to work on. It might help if I was looking to get in the network admin area, but I'm not. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I downloaded Mandrake a while back and loaded it up at work, because I never used a version of Linux before. Some ***** stole the HD and I think it was one of the network admins. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

I may download it again. I just fear they may get mad at me for raping all the company bandwidth. I'll most likely have to download it at home and bring it to work, like I did before. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Sephiroth]

It is a matter on opinion in some respects, but there are also facts, yes Windows is the OS of choice for Desktops, but not in the server department, *NIX varients are the OS of choice, it's true rather you like it or not.

But, it doesn't mean you can't use Windows as a server or use *NIX as a desktop, I am using Linux right now as a workstation, it has servers and it is my only desktop.

No, Linux is not ready for the average user, its a known fact, but the reason why this is true in the frist place is because a computer is like anyother peice of equipment, you should beable to use it and have alittle bit of knowlegde on how it works, if people bothered, we would not have the whole "*NIX" is too hard.

The only reason why Windows is the OS of choice is because it does all the hard tasks for you, thats why devlopers target this OS and make products for it, they figure the easy something is the more people will use it. saying that, easy and automated is not a good thing, I prefer config files rather then a regestry, I prefer setting up all my hardware on my own and fine tuning my system, again its a matter of choice, my choice is to use Linux because I know what I'm doing and I know what is being installed and what is not, it's all about control for me.

You also have to remember Linux like other *NIX varients is NOT an OS, Linux itself is just a kernel that boots, the rest is up to the open source community, Linux only becomes and OS when people or companys start distrubiting them with other packages that add functionality other then just being able to boot. They are called Distrobutions or Flavers.

People mostly think ohh *NIX is crap because A, B or C won't run on it, but this is not the cause, most of your existing software and games will work, there are a varitey of solutions, not all of them work for every game or software, but in most cause they will, and very well.
Wine and Cedega projects help with this, by creating a WIN32 layer for *NIX makings some Windows games and software runnible on *NIX on the other hand there is always an equal alturitive to some software that simply rusfuses to run.

With all that said, I hope it help steer people in to the right train of thinking and not MAC , *BSD, Solorus and Linux just suck because it is not like windows, Linux is not trying to be Windows, sure it has evoloved and things are way easyer then they were about 10 years ago, but it will never be Windows, You need to get the whole , oh my windows games dont work on it, it sucks, Linux was never ment to be Windows so why should it play it's games? It can, but why? It's like the PS3, it is quite possible to play PSX games on it but why? There are games that run on both windows and Linux but they are few, with that being sad as gaming companys explore the world of *NIX, more games will come out for thses desktops. but this just started, nVidia, Samsung, Sony, Epson, Mitsumi , Linksys and LG already support there devices under NIX now, but is was not always like that, the same thing goes for games, *Nix needs time to show it's power to the blind world.

But Windows also has it's problems, it's "doing everything for you" freature you all seem to like makes it increaibly insecure, its secureity is getting better, and the rumors that the viruses only affect windows more then they do *NIX is because windows as more users on it, is totally untrue and invalid and null. Think if it this way:

In *nix EVERYTHING is a file (yes even hardware) these files have permissions, if you don't have permission or the file is read only you need to chnage that permission, now if your not root (admin) this can not be done, this is the whoile reason why virus dont have any effect on *nix, because they are pretty much powerless, sure they can efect the binarys in your user space, but the rest of the system can't be infected at all, because your user doesn't have permission to write to these files, and since the virus is running with your permission it is also powerless, the worst is can do is infect your user space, and in that cause just dlete everything in your user driectory and the virus is gone, your user driectory only contains or should only contain files on picture and media, everything requres root to be installed on the system.

On Windows this is not the case at all, I can prove that by setting a read only flag on a word document opening M$ word and writing to it, saving it only discover they it asks you if you want to make the file wirtible, well sure its a good idea in threoy, but in the real world viruss, tojans and other malware can tap into the Win32 API and simulate the click of your mouse, making that readonly function useless, what is the point in something being read-only but any program and write to it?
This is just the tip of the iceburg, never the less windows is improving but it still needs to learn alot. LookOut is the most dangious peice of software that is on your machine! it auto opens attachments, sure this is quite convient, but also a invention for viruses.

[Mountain Man]

Phayzon said:
I used Linux once and boy did it SUCK!!!


What exactly do you mean by "I used Linux once"?

[Mountain Man]

Eddy Willson said:
...windows is the most common operating system, and there has to be a reason for that.


Yes, it's the same reason that led Microsoft to be convicted of maintaining an illegal monopoly by the US federal courts.

[Steve]

Mountain Man said:

Phayzon said:
I used Linux once and boy did it SUCK!!!


What exactly do you mean by "I used Linux once"?


Don't know... maybe he looked at it once and didn't like it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Joe Siegler]

Interesting attempt - but it'll end in flames. OS discussions ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS do.

[supermeerkat]

Kevin Wolff said:

Eddy Willson said:
Does nobody else know what RISC OS is? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


Heh. Yes, I do. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Acorn made that, right? Given that they don't make computers anymore...was it just ported to x86?



I think they're still going (http://www.riscos.com/).

[Kevin Wolff]

Acorn doesn't exist. RISC OS 4 has shared ownership.

[Eddy Willson]

Eddy Willson said:

Kevin Wolff said:
Heh. Yes, I do. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Acorn made that, right? Given that they don't make computers anymore...was it just ported to x86?



Meet RISC OS 5 and the almighty IYONIX machine (http://www.iyonix.com/)
<font color="#1F1F22">I want one *cries*</font>



*Ahem* you missed my link

[Kevin Wolff]

Oh yeah, sorry.

I must ask...does it have pre-emptive multitasking yet? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif (It definately didn't some 10 years ago, aka os 3)

[avatar_58]

Joe3DR said:
Interesting attempt - but it'll end in flames. OS discussions ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS do.



Thanks for at least recognizing that it wasn't meant to do so. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I know that these discussions turn into flamefests, but this thread is meant to ask "Why?" and maybe help stop it.

I mean come on.....aren't we all just glad that the choice of GUI isn't just win 3.1 anymore? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kevin Wolff]

avatar_58 said:
I mean come on.....aren't we all just glad that the choice of GUI isn't just win 3.1 anymore? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


There were lots of GUIs back then. Check toastytech.com/guis for some examples.

[avatar_58]

Kevin Wolff said:

avatar_58 said:
I mean come on.....aren't we all just glad that the choice of GUI isn't just win 3.1 anymore? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


There were lots of GUIs back then. Check toastytech.com/guis for some examples.



Yeah, but considering that I wasn't in any condition to choose (being young and inexperienced and all... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ) I wouldn't have known. I did however resist and use dos instead though. I just didn't see the point in a 'program' that ate memory without producing results. I only warmed up to windows when 95 came about and actually began to progress.

[Night Hacker]

I've used both Windows and Linux. There are aspects I like about both. In the end I use Windows.

I find Windows to be overly simplified and Linux to be overly complicated. I work on people's computers, fixing their problems all the time and there are some people that are just too lazy to learn. I actually got paid to copy some files from a CD to someone's hard drive because they were too lazy to learn how to copy files.

If all my games that I enjoy playing were available for Linux I would consider using it rather than windows, but I still see certain aspects of Linux that annoys me.

I think what bothers Linux users about windows is that there is a huge corporation dictating what your operating system will look like, how it was run etc. And you have no real say over it. What is annoying is that when a new user buys a computer there is no choice. They don't choose to use Windows, it is on their system and it is simple to operate. You can't convince them to use Linux when they may not even know how to copy a file and don't want to learn. As a result of this large number of people using Windows, Linux has had a tough time getting support from software vendors.

Of course, software vendors might make more games for Linux if they could make one without distributing the source code and it would work on all versions of Linux.

As for the Mac, I have never tried one, but I have been considering it lately.

My favorite operating system is still the Amiga's. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Someone mentioned that the best version of Windows was 98/98se. Certainly it was the most compatible when it came to older games, but that's what made it the most unstable version. It regularly crashed on me and when you restarted you had to wait through a scandisk. This happened ALOT and when I was programming, this wasn't good. The thing that made Windows XP (NT & 2000 included) more stable was also the thing that made them incompatible with older games. They don't run on DOS. Windows3.1/95/98/ME all ran on DOS. DOS didn't truely die until Windows XP came out.

Personally, I still love DOS and would be using it if games were still made for it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif But I have a seperate computer with DOS on it for my old games.

[Kevin Wolff]

The thing that made Windows XP (NT & 2000 included) more stable was also the thing that made them incompatible with older games. They don't run on DOS.


DOSBox. Or even freaking VMware with DOS installed it, for crying out loud http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

(With those things in mind, Windows 98 is officially trash.)

[IwantMORE]

Kevin Wolff said:
(With those things in mind, Windows 98 is officially trash.)



What do you expect from an OS that crashed when they showed how well usb worked with it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Night Hacker]

Kevin Wolff said:

The thing that made Windows XP (NT & 2000 included) more stable was also the thing that made them incompatible with older games. They don't run on DOS.


DOSBox. Or even freaking VMware with DOS installed it, for crying out loud http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

(With those things in mind, Windows 98 is officially trash.)



I'm not saying they won't run DOS apps with the right emulation, I'm saying the NT, 2000 and XP operating systems don't run using the DOS operating system as a base anymore. 3.1, 95, 98, 98se and ME (although they tried hard to hide DOS from people in ME) all run on DOS. This made them all more compaitble without the need for emulation, but also what made them unstable.

It's a pain in the butt that XP isn't as compatible, but it was probably the smartest thing Microsoft did.

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Night Hacker said:
It's a pain in the butt that XP isn't as compatible, but it was probably the smartest thing Microsoft did.



Which is actually why Windows x64 doesnt support buggy 16-bit apps.....it may suck that your really (really) old programs won't work but hey, they can't blow up in your face anymore either...

[Kevin Wolff]

I'm not saying they won't run DOS apps with the right emulation,


I know, what I was trying to say was, the compatiblity that 98 has isn't needed anymore. So using 98 for compatibility (with all the bad stuff that comes with it) is downright foolish. (Unless it's a box dedicated to doing so, but that's another matter.)