Linux....For the love of...

[avatar_58]

I attempted (ha....over statement) to install the nvidia drivers for Linux x64 and now I can't get anything to work. Fedora is complaining about x servers already running on terminal 0....when in reality there isn't.

I have no idea whats going on here....if I let it attempt to run on a different console it just returns to the login screen.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

It was working fine when I installed and tested it under run level 3....but now it won't let me use 5 to login without giving me those errors.

[Sephiroth]

I think you should rename this thred to Fedora Core 3 for the love of.....

I am running Slackware Current and 10.1 , LFS and trying out Gentoo and so far ALL OS's dont have this problem, I think its a permissions problem, something about terminal 0 not having the permissions to use the nvidia drivers

[avatar_58]

Sephiroth said:
I think you should rename this thred to Fedora Core 3 for the love of.....



Fedora is "supposed" to be the easiest and most compatible http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

There are permissions, as I can use runlevel 3 and all works fine in tty0.

[Fraeon Waser Duhni]

avatar_58 said:

Sephiroth said:
I think you should rename this thred to Fedora Core 3 for the love of.....



Fedora is "supposed" to be the easiest and most compatible http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

There are permissions, as I can use runlevel 3 and all works fine in tty0.



What the...

Fedora...the easiest? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif Where the hell did you get that information.

Well, you could say it tries to be easy but it also tries to be extremely tweakable, ultimately failing at both(well, from the experiences I've had with Fedora Core - which, admittedly, wasn't much).

I'm not going to go tell you which distro is the best or the worst, since doing so would make this thread highly inflammable. However, I do think all distros have their oddities(like Ubuntu not mounting all your partitions by default, Fedora not having MP3 support out of the box, etc.).

But don't mind the ramblings of a guy who isn't going to do very many things Linux for quite a while. Linux just lacks a good image editor. Of course, if I got PS Elements to run on Wine, it would be a completely different story but alas, I can't.

[Sephiroth]

avatar_58 said:

Fedora is "supposed" to be the easiest and most compatible http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

There are permissions, as I can use runlevel 3 and all works fine in tty0.




What do you mean by compatible? Linux is just a kernel, it can be made to do anything you want, the key is knowing how, there is no such thing as "most compatible" most compatible with what? it does what everyother linux does, it loads kernel modules for the supported hardware, I dont see why you can't just download the modules for your current distro and load them.. that is what fedora is doing, there is no easy, there is dumbifyed which is dangerious because it gives the user too much power with little effort (The Windows way).

People need to learn Linux is NOT windows, its not ment to replace it, so why should it attempt to be like it? if you look closely its very differnt, Linux requares the user to do the work as it should be, you want to use something tell the kenel how and when to use it, if you cant or dont know how then seek help thats what fourms like LinuxQuestions and Linux Compatible are for, same with IRC ...geez!

Most problems are stright forward, plug the device in have hotplug or the kernel report to you what it is or use lspci
either way you will find out what that hardware is called and you can make it work, there are however some devices that will not work because if lack of a project for a driver or the vender will refuse to show the source or release any spects on the hardware.

As for applocation wise, linux has alot to software, no it doesnt have any windows software and why should it?
remmeber its not windows!

[avatar_58]

Why does it seem no matter which Linux I try or think of trying I get the second degree from someone who uses a different distro? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif Look, instead of yelling at my specific distro and telling me to erase it and find another, why not say something constructive or bugger off....this is another fine reason why I hate asking Linux-related questions or gripes....I always get yelled at. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Sephiroth]

We arent yelling at you, we are telling you that Linux simply just wont load up and do everything for you.

It doesnt matter what Linux you use as I said before Linux is just a kernel, you have to tell it what to do, if you dont then somethings will simply not work, a perfect example is TV cards, there are soo many other there that need driver hacks because there is no 1 driver that works with it.. if you dont know how to get the chip data and info of what you card is and what it does the kernel cant help you.

Linux is like a manual transmission in a car, the car is not going to shift the gears for you, but the trade off of knowning exactly when to shift gets you better acceleration.
that being said, all you need to do is find out what is causing Problem A and use Solution A to solve it. I am sure if you went to Fedora fourms I am sure obe of them must know why this is happeneing, I mean you arent the only one that uses Nvidia drivers with Linux.

[avatar_58]

Don't give me that "Do everything for you garbage" BS. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif I'm sick of hearing it. I didn't tell Linux to open a terminal so why would it do so before I even push a button? Why on earth are you assuming I *want* linux to do everything for me? I'm simply stating an issue and asking if people know the solution.

Also, word of advice....I don't want to sound like a prick (or maybe I do) but if your going to air that "supreme" attitude you'd better at least get a spell-checker to sound competent because it makes a world of difference. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Sephiroth]

avatar_58 said:
Don't give me that "Do everything for you garbage" BS. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif I'm sick of hearing it. I didn't tell Linux to open a terminal so why would it do so before I even push a button?



Ahh but you are, you just dont know enouph about how Linux works to understand it, look in your runlevel scripts each "runlevel" has instructions that tell other software what to do.



Also, word of advice....I don't want to sound like a prick (or maybe I do) but if your going to air that "supreme" attitude you'd better at least get a spell-checker to sound competent because it makes a world of difference. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Supreme attitude? how because I know my system?
Things work for me and others because if you take the time to see how things work and why they work then you wouldnt be asking questions because you would already know the anwsers to them.

use this find the answers to your problems:
http://www.google.com/linux

No one is supreme it's like learning how to use DOS, sure dos loads up fine, but if you dont know how to use the config.sys and autoexec.bat, you dont have sound, mouse or memory manager support now do you? you are restricted to using 640k of memory and flat realmode

EMM386.EXE and HIMEM.SYS dont load themselves
nor does Set Blaster varibles and mouse.exe or mscdex.exe

you seem to learnt how to use DOS just fine, I dont see how you are having trouble with this. only with DOS you had limited user support, the Linux user support is alot wider so I can't see the problem.

[avatar_58]

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Dos didn't complain about config.sys already being loaded in memory before it even loaded, nor did it even require drivers at all for that matter.

Also, explain to me how learning an O/S with 40 million config files strewn all over the place has anything to do with plain old dos that had 2 and was neatly sorted out? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

As for attitude, your acting like all my problems *must* be my fault. Like I'm the only one who could every have them and it must be something I did/chose to make it happen. Like your automatic blaming of fedora when I have an issue.

And FURTHER more....(sorry but I have to end this as O/S debates make me yawn....) I shouldn't have to know my O/S down the very grass roots of its programming and scripting. When I need something done, I expect to be able to do it. Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to use...say....Word if I don't know the very functions of its code? Thats just being naive. Not everyone wants to know about the very depths of every single config file and every single thing that is activated upon loading the O/S. Saying someone doesn't know what they are doing or isn't looking hard enough just because of that is just pointless.

Perhaps this really is why I like windows better, when I need something done I can do it....with minimal headache. I don't need to know how directx is coded or how my sound driver was programmed just to make it work...I just need to know whats required.

Can we PLEASE get this back on topic now?

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[Kevin Wolff]

I have an idea: Sepiroth, shut the hell up! \o/ http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

Unfortunately avatar_58, I don't know much about the nVidia driver (well nobody does...it's closed source), so maybe nVidia has some stuff on their site about it. Or, try checking Fedora's forums (they're unofficial IIRC, but they exist), or Freenode. Or TerminX. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Sephiroth]

avatar_58 said:
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Dos didn't complain about config.sys already being loaded in memory before it even loaded, nor did it even require drivers at all for that matter.




Nor does Linux, how can something complan about something if it has no idea where it is?

And DOS did requare drivers, your mouse, cdrom drive and soundcards all needed drivers.



Also, explain to me how learning an O/S with 40 million config files strewn all over the place has anything to do with plain old dos that had 2 and was neatly sorted out? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif




You still had to know the system, DOS is basi,c Linux is more complex because it is able to do more.
Secondly there not all over the place, most if not all config files should be under /etc



As for attitude, your acting like all my problems *must* be my fault. Like I'm the only one who could every have them and it must be something I did/chose to make it happen. Like your automatic blaming of fedora when I have an issue.




It is Fedora's fault because it's default settings are set like that, the setup scripts made those changes, so if you didnt chnage them then who else did? Fedora's setup? Bingo!



And FURTHER more....(sorry but I have to end this as O/S debates make me yawn....) I shouldn't have to know my O/S down the very grass roots of its programming and scripting. When I need something done, I expect to be able to do it. Are you saying I shouldn't be allowed to use...say....Word if I don't know the very functions of its code? Thats just being naive. Not everyone wants to know about the very depths of every single config file and every single thing that is activated upon loading the O/S. Saying someone doesn't know what they are doing or isn't looking hard enough just because of that is just pointless.




I like this, ohh do I like this one.

Did I say you need to code in C?C++ and ASM to configure your box? Where did I say that?

You don't know C yet you can configure DOSBOX fine please explain this mystery to me? I don't see how or why any other part of an OS gives you trouble, there all seprate programs, so do what you did to DOSBOX.



Perhaps this really is why I like windows better, when I need something done I can do it....with minimal headache. I don't need to know how directx is coded or how my sound driver was programmed just to make it work...I just need to know whats required.




I can make Windows give you a headache try getting an older DOS soundcard to work under XP, Drivers? HA forget about them! And you're preference of OS has no effect in the covo at all because it is nor on topic nor is it relivent to discusion.

Again I don't know how ALSA is coded yet I seem to have no problems on it, I even wrote a faq on linuxquestions to help new blood get there soundcard working under the new udev system, I have wrote a faq oh how to get a Lexmark X1150 to work with CUPS and I have helped a bunch of others with minor things, and yet i don't know a word of C or C++ to save my own life.



Can we PLEASE get this back on topic now?
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Yes, give me the exact output you are getting, to check the output look in /var for the X.org log it will tell you what happened exactly. You don't need to log into X

[avatar_58]

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I will only say one thing:




http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/neoavatar/rofl.jpg

[Sephiroth]

Well you are being a jerk I found out exactly why your nVidia drivers don't work. Udev doesnt make the device nodes and like I said it is a config problem.

it took a whole 2 min of my time and I found you the answer
http://www.linux-gamers.net/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?topic_id=1421&forum=4

This link what I posted has 1 problem, you dont need to reboot 700 times only once well not even if you know how to kill and restart udev yourself.

wow that was impossible now wasent it? geez like I said a permission problem.. but hey dont listen to me what do i know.

[Sephiroth]

Kevin Wolff said:
I have an idea: Sepiroth, shut the hell up! \o/ http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

Unfortunately avatar_58, I don't know much about the nVidia driver (well nobody does...it's closed source), so maybe nVidia has some stuff on their site about it. Or, try checking Fedora's forums (they're unofficial IIRC, but they exist), or Freenode. Or TerminX. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



I will not, it is these people that wine and cry about Linux being so hard, but fail to take not even 5 min out of there day and search google for people with the same problems, then cry that no one would help them, I think everyone on the fourm is past 5 years old and can help themselves, not to be mean but it's the truth, I am sure this has been mentioned on every fedora fourm known to man, nvidias site and even places like Linuxgamer, so what is the problem? it would be diffent if there was next to no resources and no one knows how to fix it, sure I can see it then, thats what fourms are for, but if there answered are out there then why not look for them? how many times has someone on this fourm said google is your friend? well?

I fail see what the problem is, it's not like you have a limited amount of resources, you have the whole internet so use it!

I don't mean to piss off anyone here, that goes for Avatar
and you Kev, it's just anoying to see this crap.

[avatar_58]

Man you can't even see when I'm pulling your chain... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Sheesh you don't have to take every linux jab so damned seriously...

And for your information I did search google, I'm not a helpless no nothing who just gives up on problems. I just assumed that since I couldn't find a solution I would ask here first. Why not linux forums? Well for one thing your answers speak for themselves.....I either get that or my question gets lost in the endless pile of threads. I didn't think it would be such a deal to ask.

Also that "answer" doesn't even begin to solve my issue. My problem is not with the nvidia driver if you even bothered to read. The driver works fine and I can enter X and run glxgears to my delight but I must be in runlevel 3 to do so. If I enter runlevel 5 again, I get those login errors.

[XPM]

avatar_58 said:

Sephiroth said:
I think you should rename this thred to Fedora Core 3 for the love of.....



Ubuntu is the easiest and most compatible





Fixed that for ya :P

Have fun with Linux http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Im never gonna use another operating system http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[TerminX]

XPM said:
Ubuntu is the easiest and most compatible


I find myself agreeing with this statement. Easy, yet just as powerful as Debian if you're knowledgeable.

The rest of you guys.. settle down, please. I was tempted to use the notify moderator button on any number of posts in this thread, but it wouldn't be fair to the OP when he still needs an answer. There's absolutely no need for this nonsense arguing.

avatar_58, post your xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log from directly after the failure please. These errors occur directly after a reboot and no login screen is displayed at all, correct? If you've answered this question/posted the logs and config already, point it out -- I'm not about to plow through the arguing to find it.

[XPM]

Ubuntu is the most user friendliest...no question about it...

Gotta love synaptic and checkinstall http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Heres a screenshot of my ubuntu linux http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

http://img74.echo.cx/img74/5527/screenshot1rz.th.jpg (http://img74.echo.cx/my.php?image=screenshot1rz.jpg)

[avatar_58]

TerminX said:
These errors occur directly after a reboot and no login screen is displayed at all, correct? If you've answered this question/posted the logs and config already, point it out -- I'm not about to plow through the arguing to find it.



See thats the thing, the graphical login screen from runlevel 5 does show up and asks me to login. Once I do it waits a bit, then shows up with a blue screen telling me xserver is already running. I'll get those logs up later.

Btw I've never even heard of ubuntu so sue me.

And seph started it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[XPM]

Check it out http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[TerminX]

avatar_58 said:
Btw I've never even heard of ubuntu so sue me.


Really? It's one of the most popular distros right now. According to DistroWatch (http://distrowatch.com), it is the most popular. I highly recommend it.

As for your Fedora problem.. it almost sounds as if it's trying to run gdm/xdm/kdm/whatever you're using twice.

[Mountain Man]

Wow! Ubuntu is crazy popular according to the little sidebar at DistroWatch. Out of the top ten, it appears to be the only one gaining in popularity. I would be tempted to give it a go if I didn't have my Gentoo install working flawlessly.

[avatar_58]

This ubuntu sounds interesting http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Anyone here use it or know about it? Is gnome the only X server that it comes with? What makes it so different than say fedora?

[TerminX]

avatar_58 said:
This ubuntu sounds interesting http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Anyone here use it or know about it? Is gnome the only X server that it comes with? What makes it so different than say fedora?


GNOME isn't an X server, it's a desktop environment. You can use apt to install whichever desktop you want (apt-get install whatever). Being based on Debian rather than RedHat makes it a much better distro overall, IMO. I run Ubuntu (previously I ran Debian) and it's nice.

Before I ran Debian, I ran RedHat (8.0, this was a year or so before they started calling the desktop version Fedora) and I'd say Debian/Ubuntu is a huge improvement over it. Upgrading RH/Fedora was always a painful process, where with Debian/Ubuntu it's easy. Hell, the main reason I switched was because an upgrade from RH8 to RH9 hosed the entire install.

[avatar_58]

TerminX said:
GNOME isn't an X server, it's a desktop environment.



Well excuuuuse me.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I know xfree86 or xorg is.

Well anyway I'm now trying it out because of all the nice reviews and the clean and easy rep Ubuntu is supposed to have (yes I use google seph)

Well I'd say its turned out to be pretty nice....install was painless. No problems.

Unfortunately ndiswrapper (for my wireless card) cannot be built on ubuntu without the source? I keep finding sources that told me to install the linux headers deb file so I did. It still complains that the source isn't found. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Apparently there is some ndiswrapper deb files out there...but I can't find them (and apt get won't help without internet access in ubuntu) any thoughts terminx? I can't seem to get this thing up and running again, would I need to download the entire source just to make this thing happy?

All the howto's I find expect you to have internet access besides the wireless card (??? why would you need the wireless then?) and won't tell me how to get this thing working without apt.

Ack what is it with me....I step out of one puddle and into a larger one... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[TerminX]

You do need Internet access to configure the wireless in certain circumstances. You are advised to simply plug into a wired ethernet port until you have it configured.

[avatar_58]

I mis-interpreted....apparently the file is located on the CD. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Well anyway I am following this guide:

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto

However when I get to the 'make deb' point I now get this error:

root@ubuntu:/usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.2rc1 # make deb
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.2rc1'
make -f debian/rules binary-utils
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.2rc1'
sed -e 's/-#KVERS#//g' \
-e 's/#NDISVERS#/1.2rc1/g' \
-e 's/#DATE#/'"`date --rfc-822`"'/g' \
-e 's/#MAINT#/Giridhar Pemmasani <pgiri@users.sourceforge.net>/g' \
debian/changelog.template > debian/changelog
sed -e 's/#NDISVERS#/1.2rc1/' \
-e 's/#MAINT#/Giridhar Pemmasani <pgiri@users.sourceforge.net>/g' \
debian/control.utils > debian/control
echo "utils/loadndisdriver /sbin" > debian/ndiswrapper-utils.install
echo "utils/ndiswrapper /usr/sbin" >> debian/ndiswrapper-utils.install
echo "utils/ndiswrapper-buginfo /usr/sbin" >> \
debian/ndiswrapper-utils.install
cp debian/dirs.utils debian/dirs
dh_testdir
dh_testroot
dh_installchangelogs ChangeLog
dh_installdocs
cp: cannot stat `README': No such file or directory
dh_installdocs: command returned error code 256
make[2]: *** [common-prolog] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.2rc1'
make[1]: *** [binary] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ndiswrapper-1.2rc1'
make: *** [deb] Error 2


I posted this on the ubuntu forums but they seem to be a bit slow to respond.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[TerminX]

It could be a simple error in the archive that makes it unbuildable.. try typing "touch README" in the directory it's looking for the README file in and see if it gets past that part.

[avatar_58]

it works! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

I had to rename the readme file to README (odd isn't it?) and then according to another faq I had to change the arch type from i386 to amd64 in the control files, and FINALLY I had to run it with a make -i to skip some minor blocks.

Then using iwconfig I connected and was browsing the internet from ubuntu.

[XPM]

Congratulations http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Mountain Man]

TerminX said:
Hell, the main reason I switched was because an upgrade from RH8 to RH9 hosed the entire install.


Ouch.

[TerminX]

Mountain Man said:

TerminX said:
Hell, the main reason I switched was because an upgrade from RH8 to RH9 hosed the entire install.


Ouch.


Heh. glibc upgraded first, breaking binary compatibility with most of the system (including rpm). Due to how much rpm seems to suck ass in general, no amount of work with a rescue disc chrooted to my install helped.

Oh well, RH sucks compared to Debian anyway. Better to switch because of a hosed install than to have to use RH for another few months. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[avatar_58]

So far I'm liking Ubuntu and its general feel. I'm a tad bit worried of how this 'sudo' business works...why would it ask for my user password and not my root/super user password? This doesn't pose the same risk as giving admin acces to a user on other linux ditros does it? Other than its an extremely useful command.

I'm also warming up to Gnome. I used to hate it when I first tried it, but now I'm finding it useful. Well I still might install KDE (just to have both) but I think Gnome does everything I need.

With my network setup the next step is to install the nvidia drivers and finally my sound card. Anything else I should know?

[Kevin Wolff]

I'm a tad bit worried of how this 'sudo' business works...why would it ask for my user password and not my root/super user password? This doesn't pose the same risk as giving admin acces to a user on other linux ditros does it?


Not really, since you still need a password to do that stuff. There is no root in Ubuntu...well there is, but it's disabled. Sudo just changed what password you need to admin your system.


I'm also warming up to Gnome. I used to hate it when I first tried it, but now I'm finding it useful. Well I still might install KDE (just to have both) but I think Gnome does everything I need.


Ubuntu's Gnome had the same effect on me. They must've done a great job on it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif And if you're going to install KDE...do "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" to get it set up in the easiest manner. Otherwise you could be dealing with selecting all matter of packages.


With my network setup the next step is to install the nvidia drivers and finally my sound card. Anything else I should know?


No, but enlighten me: How'd you get the development tools installed without the internet? I don't remember them coming on the CD.

[avatar_58]

/\ Well I did have the internet on my windows xp partition, however my issue was that I "thought" that apt get was going to search the net for the linux headers when meanwhile it asks for the cd.

http://www.ubuntulinux.org/wiki/SetupNdiswrapperHowto

When I typed the apt get command it asked for the hoary hedgehog CD and it fixed my issues.

As for ndiswrapper itself (the source package) I downloaded it off of sourceforge and placed it on my USB flash stick.


And if you're going to install KDE...do "apt-get install kubuntu-desktop" to get it set up in the easiest manner. Otherwise you could be dealing with selecting all matter of packages.



Will do http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Though whether or not I choose to use gnome from now on is a different matter. So far I can't think of anything it lacks at the moment. Nautilus is very much like windows' file manager so its easy for me to use. One thing I wish for....where is the "open a terminal here" button in nautilus? I always loved that feature of Konquerer but it seems to be absent.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Ubuntu is changing some of my views of Linux....Its like I always said...without ease of use Linux would never get very far in the desktop realm. However....I'm finding that Ubuntu with Gnome's setup is finally catching up. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Once I'm done with my windows 2003 work for school I might resize my paritions and give Ubuntu more room to work with.

[Mountain Man]

TerminX said:
Better to switch because of a hosed install than to have to use RH for another few months. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Yeah. I just think of how long it took me to get all my little bits and bobbles sorted out (printer drivers, iPod, syncing my PDA, etc.) which makes me extremely reluctant to want to switch distros if I don't have to. The nice thing about Linux, though, once you get it working, it tends to keep working unless you break it yourself!

[TerminX]

Mountain Man said:
The nice thing about Linux, though, once you get it working, it tends to keep working unless you break it yourself!


Yep. I've had my current Debian (well, upgraded to Ubuntu now, which isn't exactly a big difference, considering most of what I do is done in the terminal) install for a bit over two years now. I can't remember ever having to use any sort of rescue disc to fix problems on this box, either.

[XPM]

Been using it since it came out...Never ever going back to Windows...


The bad part is that now I understand the Linux zealots and I dont wanna become one :d

[Mountain Man]

The only thing keeping Windows on my hard drive at this point is my gaming hobby. However, the Wine project is extremely close to cracking DirectX 9 support (link (http://directxwine.sourceforge.net/)), so it's no longer a question of if I'll abandon Windows for good but when.

[Combat Chuck]

Mountain Man said:
The only thing keeping Windows on my hard drive at this point is my gaming hobby. However, the Wine project is extremely close to cracking DirectX 9 support (link (http://directxwine.sourceforge.net/)), so it's no longer a question of if I'll abandon Windows for good but when.


At least until DirectX 10 comes out http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

After keeping track of a few Linux debates, I ended up putting Debian on a PII 233 laptop I have. It took me about a week to get X windows up and running, but now that it works, I don't quite know what to do with it. Since the machine's so slow (only 64 MB RAM), I put XFCE and IceWM on the machine to try and cut back on the slowdown from window managers. What kind of other cool tricks can I do to speed the machine up? I think Apache may be running in the background, but I'm sure I removed the package.