Questions for George and the Crew

[Nacho]

I have a few, small, oh so very small questions...

*AHEM*

1) Can you tell us what Video Card you guys are currently running it on? If not can you tell us if it is a new video card?

2) Have you completed at least 70% of the models?

3) Are a majority of your models textured?

4) Have all the weapons been programed in and are usable in-game right now?

5) Aproximetly how many types of enemies are there?

6) Is the game divided up into Episodes or just levels?

7) Is there more then one boss battle?

8) Is there a Battlelord in this game?

9) Are there any Cameo's?

10) Who does Joe play the voice of?

11) Anyone else on the 3DR team doing voice acting for DNF?

12) What do you put on your pizza?

13) Can you give an example of how interactive DNF can be or is?

Thank you for your time.

[John]

Oooh, I think you put too many questions down. Just my opinion http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[KillerByte]

I think we have another KaiserSoze, digging for more answers from George. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Good job Nacho! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Doppelgofer]

1) Can you tell us what Video Card you guys are currently running it on? If not can you tell us if it is a new video card?

coffee

2) Have you completed at least 70% of the models?

if by completed you mean had sex with then yes, yes we have. give me some skin ...dawg

3) Are a majority of your models textured?

are your models textured you big sexy bear?

4) Have all the weapons been programed in and are usable in-game right now?

if you seriously don't take your hands from your pants when your asking such good questions, i will knock you for six, nimph boy

5) Aproximetly how many types of enemies are there?

well theres porn, snuggling, crimson and horse back

6) Is the game divided up into Episodes or just levels?

its divided up into what ever your mind sees fit...even if that happens to be a homosexual drunken landlord in need of a fix of some dolby pro logic

7) Is there more then one boss battle?

you battle leslie neilsen and a whole lot of leaf

8) Is there a Battlelord in this game?

no. you just glimpse some shampoo then your game is over, tuts

9) Are there any Cameo's?

yes the mighty doppelgofer appears as a weedy lesbian that gets her eyes bitten off by an overgrown cherub

10) Who does Joe play the voice of?

the mighty d dawg

11) Anyone else on the 3DR team doing voice acting for DNF?

the entire cast of coronation street are doing the voice of some sand which briefly makes an appearance as tom arnold

12) What do you put on your pizza?

famous people with a sprinkle of what a shit question. next

13) Can you give an example of how interactive DNF can be or is?

turn on all the taps in your house and drown your dog and siblings then take them to the morgue and dump on their neck....this will give you insight into the cah-rayzee interactivity in duke nukem floorever

Thank you for your time.

no thank you, brother sheen

[Ivan]

KillerByte said:
I think we have another KaiserSoze, digging for more answers from George. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Good job Nacho! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Indeed, hehe, Nacho, Kaiser's ressurection. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I'm still waiting for the answers though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Viper Knight]

Seriously, why do you bother asking those questions if you know George won't answer them? I think some of them are alright though but from what I've gathered George isn't going to bother sifting through them answering the ones he thinks appropriate. He does enough of shit filtering when he's making games. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Cerberus_e]

you have good taste of questions, Nacho.

all we need to do is wait for George to say "you don't think I'm going to answer that do you? I can say yes to most of them though".

[Ivan]

Viper Knight said:
Seriously, why do you bother asking those questions if you know George won't answer them? I think some of them are alright though but from what I've gathered George isn't going to bother sifting through them answering the ones he thinks appropriate. He does enough of shit filtering when he's making games. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



What makes you say he won't answer them? I've seen him answer Kaiser questions, which can be pretty intense. There's a possibility he answers those too, and I hope he does. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Mr. Milton]

Good questions! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Guere]

I like question 13 the most...it would be interesting to hear an example of what's in the game or something comparable that could be done. I know we had the thread but those were all suggestions, it would be cool to know how far the actual game will take it.

[SyntaxN]

http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/notgonnahappen1.gif
.....I think http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
But it would be great anyway, DNF isn´t to far away from release (I think) so they can throw us some bones!

[Denz]

On day i will do the kamikaze and buy a ticket plane to texas, steal a hummer and ram the office of 3DR disguised in the Duke with the shootgun. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Denny Lindberg]

Denz said:
On day i will do the kamikaze and buy a ticket plane to texas, steal a hummer and ram the office of 3DR disguised in the Duke with the shootgun. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Resulting in all the computers being broken inclusive the backup server for the game. Later resulting with 5 more years of development time? :P

[Beelze]

More like 5 years of therapy, for both 3D Realms and Duke fans.

[Denz]

mHHH... This time i thought like a Duke...


Ok i will disguise in sam lepoissonier and lurk in the shadows of the night in the duke office to get a screen. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[KaiserSoze]

nacho-you are definately padawan material. nice questions. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

i'd say most of the answers are "yes". their graphics cards are probably right below a radeon 9700 they dev with. somewhere in the area though. never fear though, they've probably built in "ultra high" graphics settings much like doom 3 did that only current or future cards can run.

george-did you like star wars episode 3 and how many times have you seen it? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Ivan]

KaiserSoze said:
george-did you like star wars episode 3 and how many times have you seen it? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Joe said he went with the 3DR Crew to see it, I'm not sure if George was included though.

[DAxButane]

I think basically ANY direct questions about the game itself shouldn't be allowed on these forums anymore. These types of questions are just different ways of people asking "how much longer?"

However, LMAO @ Doppelgofer's post!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[lonestar]

link?

[Ivan]

lonestar said:
link?



The SW3 Thread (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=853804&an=0&page=0#853804)

[brabee]

ME WANT ANSWERS. OR YOU WILL SUFFER. (pleaaaazzzz:)))))))

[Micki!]

KaiserSoze said:
nacho-you are definately padawan material. nice questions. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

i'd say most of the answers are "yes". their graphics cards are probably right below a radeon 9700 they dev with. somewhere in the area though. never fear though, they've probably built in "ultra high" graphics settings much like doom 3 did that only current or future cards can run.

george-did you like star wars episode 3 and how many times have you seen it? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Hey Kaiser...
I'm not refering to any of the stuff you just wrote above...

... But, WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE??! Were'nt you supposed to stay away for about 8 months, before showing up again..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Denz]

My question a moi is does your familly people saw the game you Duke Team?

[Doppelgofer]

hes online now...so maybe he will answer

[Nacho]

He hangs out in the Prey forum now. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[George Broussard]

>>1) Can you tell us what Video Card you guys are currently running it on? If not can you tell us if it is a new video card?

9800 Pro's, some 6800GT's and some 6800 Ultra's.

>>2) Have you completed at least 70% of the models?

This is hard to say, as a model can be anything from a prop (like a chair, microwave, etc) to the tons and tons of models that go into the levels as architecture to flesh out a level.

A ton is done. We have hundreds of props that you can place in the world, and the artists just continue to pump stuff out.

>>3) Are a majority of your models textured?

We complete them as they go in, so the ones that are done, are in.

>>4) Have all the weapons been programed in and are usable in-game right now?

Yes. In, with animations, sound pass, and final textures. We'll probably add a couple more as we go, and there are some whacky ideas we want to explore, but all the base guns are in and we could ship with what we have.

>>5) Aproximetly how many types of enemies are there?

15 or so, and working on more.

>>6) Is the game divided up into Episodes or just levels?

Levels.

>>7) Is there more then one boss battle?

Yes.

>>8) Is there a Battlelord in this game?

He was a signature bad guy from Duke 3D, so he's be a popular choice to bring back http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

>>9) Are there any Cameo's?

Not sure what you mean by cameo.

>>10) Who does Joe play the voice of?

Nobody.

>>11) Anyone else on the 3DR team doing voice acting for DNF?

I doubt for final voice work, no. Maybe a couple here or there.

>>12) What do you put on your pizza?

We ordered Dominoe'swhen we were in line for Episode 3 the other day. Got a large cheese, peperoni, and supreme.

>>13) Can you give an example of how interactive DNF can be or is?

Very. You can play with everything.

[Kristian Joensen]

One question what is the ballpark fps count on the systems you are developing it on ?

[laffer]

Hey, he replied! Awesome! 3DR really rocks, how many other developers talk to their fans like this http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Doppelgofer]

i have a MASSIVE question for george

do you HAVE any plans or HAVE YOU ALREADY produced a hollywood holocaust remake for dukematch? please say yes please say yes please say yes

[Nacho]

I think they're hoping we run out of questions to ask. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Ivan]

Nacho said:
I think they're hoping we run out of questions to ask. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



Hasn't Grand Master Kaiser, taught you young Nacho Padawan that questions are inexhaustible?

[Steve]

He was a signature bad guy from Duke 3D, so he's be a popular choice to bring back


http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



>>13) Can you give an example of how interactive DNF can be or is?

Very. You can play with everything.


http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Gryph]

Wow...thanks George! Very nice of you to answer those questions. Battlelords! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[avatar_58]

Do you realize that george's post is probably the most detailed info we've had on DNF for a long time? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Battlelords??? Where's cerberus? His dream has become reality! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Beelze]

Actually, George never said that the Battlelord is in. Seeing as he was willing to tell us the current number of enemies, here's hoping he won't mind answering another question in the same vein:

We know some types of enemies will be returning from Duke Nukem 3D, but will any enemies unique to other previous Duke games be in Duke Nukem Forever?

[Stuarrdo]

George Broussard said:

>>4) Have all the weapons been programed in and are usable in-game right now?

Yes. In, with animations, sound pass, and final textures. We'll probably add a couple more as we go, and there are some whacky ideas we want to explore, but all the base guns are in and we could ship with what we have.





When you pick out some details of his sentences and forget the connectiong you have this fact:

"...we could ship with what we have" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Then ship it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Dutch]

George said quite a lot there, this is gettin exciting again. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I have 9800 pro, I should be all set for Dnf. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif


So is Duke gonna have time to play with himself this time around?

[SyntaxN]

uhm, wow, thx George http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It´s getting closer and closer....and my GF6800Ultra will work with DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Denz]

GEORGES FOR EVAR! (im spreading the words on these info) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


EDIT!: THE HYPE HAS BEGUN! INFO ON DNF HAS BEEN RELEASED! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[Kalki]

George Broussard said:We ordered Dominoe'swhen we were in line for Episode 3 the other day. Got a large cheese, peperoni, and supreme.


With Joe? Sucks about the film melting in the middle.

What's a supreme?

[Reckless]

SyntaxN said:
uhm, wow, thx George http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It´s getting closer and closer....and my GF6800Ultra will work with DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

He didn't exactly say that did he http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Besides you've got one of the fastest cards out there what the hell makes you think it wouldn't run [to some degree]? A newer/faster/more feature ridden piece of tech would always be 'better' for bragging rights!

I reckon all the excitement over Prey (looks cool BTW) has loosened the pressure on 3DR and DNF information. Great to see your post George!

[Cerberus_e]

avatar_58 said:
Battlelords??? Where's cerberus? His dream has become reality! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif



yeah, where is Cerberus? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif I'd expect him to be here immediately, but he isn't, weird stuff

[SyntaxN]

He didn't exactly say that did he Besides you've got one of the fastest cards out there what the hell makes you think it wouldn't run [to some degree]? A newer/faster/more feature ridden piece of tech would always be 'better' for bragging rights!



Yeah, he didn´t say that, but I don´t think that they will produce DNF without testing (playing) it some times!
We don´t know how advanced the graphic is, possibly a 6800U will be the minimum when it gets released! (I really don´t think so, but it´s 3dr, everything is possible http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

[Cerberus_e]

I wonder why Nacho didn't ask if there is a rideable mule in the game or not, he would have answered that one http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif and many people are wondering that.
and thanks nacho for asking about the battlelord http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif good luck with rogue threat

but isn't 15 enemies too few?
even if there are 20 in the final game, then you have the more than one bosses, so around 17 kinds of enemies, I'm afraid it will be fighting the same enemy over and over again.
like in serious sam.

I'm happy about the more than one boss though.

I only hope there will be a devastator, George? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif come on, I spread prey, look here how excited most of them are:

http://www.hlfallout.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=38073&st=0

is there a devastator (yes/no answer, no cryptic answer http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif) and can you also say "yes" or "no" if there is a battlelord in DNF, instead of it would be a popular choice to bring back http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif thanks http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

I don't really think this 'Yoggs' dude likes Prey very much... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

But all they others we're pretty damn impressed... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Good job Cerberus_e

[Edit:] Thanks for answering his questions George... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Stuarrdo]

Cerberus_e said:

but isn't 15 enemies too few?
even if there are 20 in the final game, then you have the more than one bosses, so around 17 kinds of enemies, I'm afraid it will be fighting the same enemy over and over again.
like in serious sam.





sometimes I don't understand, why people can't think about what George said and what he didn't say.

">>5) Aproximetly how many types of enemies are there?

15 or so, and working on more."

Think about what a " *types* of enemy" coul mean?!
A type means nothing else than for example a "pic cop" as one type as an enemy. So, it could be possible to have complete different categories of this one type of a "pic cop" ...and so on. And then you have the second "type of enemy" and as well again different categories of this second typ of enemy...

possible?

[Cerberus_e]

of course I thought about that, but that doesn't matter, it's if George thought about that or not http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[General Failure]

Cerberus_e said:but isn't 15 enemies too few?
even if there are 20 in the final game, then you have the more than one bosses, so around 17 kinds of enemies, I'm afraid it will be fighting the same enemy over and over again.

Think about how many there were in Duke 3d. I swear it wasn't more than 20, yet it didn't bother me one bit. It's all in the level design and what the monsters actually do. Serious Sam gets boring because the monsters just spawn out of thin air every now and then. In Duke3d, they go to the bathroom and watch porn http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

That's what I call interesting enemies

[brabee]

Thanks for the answers

[John]

George kicks ass. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[pjohnsonjr]

Whoever is the delivery boy for Domino's that delivers to 3D Realms, must of placed slipped in something to make George talk. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Only joking George, I, like everyone else greatly appreciate the input.

[Lengis]

>>8) Is there a Battlelord in this game?

He was a signature bad guy from Duke 3D, so he's be a popular choice to bring back



But what about the devastator? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

We need to kill him with it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[hell-angel]

>>8) Is there a Battlelord in this game?

He was a signature bad guy from Duke 3D, so he's be a popular choice to bring back



You know, this is just made my day. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

We love you GB, thanks for answering http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Lengis said:

>>8) Is there a Battlelord in this game?

He was a signature bad guy from Duke 3D, so he's be a popular choice to bring back



But what about the devastator? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

We need to kill him with it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



I agree.
though if there is a similar dual mounted fast rocket firing weapon I'll be happy.
dual mounted fast rocket firing is the definition of devastator, so it's the same http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Vexed]

Cerberus_e said:
but isn't 15 enemies too few?

15 is a lot for a game. I doubt there are a lot of games that have more.

[hell-angel]

Vexed said:

Cerberus_e said:
but isn't 15 enemies too few?

15 is a lot for a game. I doubt there are a lot of games that have more.



I agree, I even believe that doom 3 and HL2 only have 10 or so.

15 is enough, but if they want to add more, all the better. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[someguy2435]

Micki! said:
Hey Kaiser...
I'm not refering to any of the stuff you just wrote above...

... But, WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE??! Were'nt you supposed to stay away for about 8 months, before showing up again..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



link?

[Ivan]

someguy2435 said:

Micki! said:
Hey Kaiser...
I'm not refering to any of the stuff you just wrote above...

... But, WTF ARE YOU DOING HERE??! Were'nt you supposed to stay away for about 8 months, before showing up again..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



link?



That? (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=843485&an=0&page=0#843485)

[Beelze]

hell-angel said:
I even believe that doom 3 and HL2 only have 10 or so.


Both Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 have around 20 enemies. Doom 3 has the most, I believe, including the bosses.

IMO, DNF should have at least 20, not including bosses.

[Cerberus_e]

Beelze said:
IMO, DNF should have at least 20, not including bosses.



well said http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Lengis]

The more, the better \o/

[Vexed]

hell-angel said:
I agree, I even believe that doom 3 and HL2 only have 10 or so.



Seemed like one. Doom3 had fireballguy and HL2 had gasmaskhelmetguy. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:

Beelze said:
IMO, DNF should have at least 20, not including bosses.



well said http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



The funny thing is that we want more enemies, just to reduce a even bigger amount by killing them... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kev_Boy]

Highly appreciate your posting more often George, I ain't gonna speculate anything from it though.. I know better than that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Just glad, that's all http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[JackpotDen]

George Broussard said:
>>13) Can you give an example of how interactive DNF can be or is?

Very. You can play with everything.



Even with Duke's Enormous tool?

[Nacho]

*shudder*

[Zaarin]

George Broussard said:
Answers!




Heck, there should be a new SW film out every three months so we would have our answers. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Thanks for the answers, George! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


And special thanks to Nacho for asking them! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Tedades]

Very nice, when I started reading I was sure this was going to get a lock...

but I was wrong http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

3DR should have a "Click here to donate a pizza" on their website, that would be funny.
Like if you click it, they would get $0.05 and after clicking for 100 times they can order 1 pizza.

btw. George was really nice answering those questions.

[Vexed]

Beelze said:

Both Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 have around 20 enemies.



1) Combine Soldier
2) Combine whitersoldierguy
3) Headcrab
4) black headcrab
5) Zombie
6) Fun packzombie (zombie with several crabs on him)
7) Fast zombie
8) Strider
9) Gyrocopterthing
10) Magnetic rollerballthing (if you wanna count it)
11) Bugthing
12) Bigger bugthing
13) Flying blade things
14) Barnacle
.. More than I thought.

Can't think of more than that. Anyone wanna help me out?

[Parkar]

(fast zombie)headcrab

[John]

Are the enemies in DNF going to be the same but just slightly different? (a la HL2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

[Viper Knight]

George Broussard said:
>>9) Are there any Cameo's?
Not sure what you mean by cameo.



A guest appearance by a character such as Lo Wang or Max Payne.


George Broussard said:
>>10) Who does Joe play the voice of?
Nobody.




http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nelson3.gif

[laffer]

Doom 3 enemies :
Zombies (in different shapes)
Zombie soldiers (a few variations of them)
Imps (!!)
Lost Souls
Cacodemons
Demons
Baron of Hell (or are they Hell Knights?)
Small annoying spider thingies (are there 2 versions of those?)
Babies
Mancubuses (sp?)
Those guys with extendable arms (also a minigun version of them)
Archvile
Chaingun zombies (they freak me out)
Revenants

Hmmm... I only count 14, did I leave any of them out? Of course, if I counted every version of every enemy as a seperate enemy (like that guy did with HL2), I'd get some more.

[big fat lazy]

Far Cry had a lot of enemies:
Soldier
monkey-like trigen
bigger monkey-like trigen
human-like trigen with guns
big human-like trigen with rocket launcher
ummmmmm

[hell-angel]

Micki! said:

Cerberus_e said:

Beelze said:
IMO, DNF should have at least 20, not including bosses.



well said http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



The funny thing is that we want more enemies, just to reduce a even bigger amount by killing them... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Yeah, got to love it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gif That's why I like serious sam, http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/im...ns/devilish.gif (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gifhttp://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gifhttp://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gifhttp://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gif)

[Beelze]

Half-Life 2 enemies (http://www.halflife2.net/index.php?page=enemies)
18, including certain vehicles. I suppose you could count the Scanner as an enemy, as it can blind you. If so, then 19.

Doom 3 enemies (http://www.planetdoom.com/doom3/enemies/)
22, including the bosses and the Tick.

[Cerberus_e]

and people complained about always the same enemy in doom 3, and there were 22+variants on zombies and +Z-secs
so DNF with his 15 enemies is even worse than HL2, which was even more repititive in terms of enemies than doom 3.

I changed my thoughts no, 20 isn't enough anymore, I want 35, that's not too much if you recycle every enemy from Duke3D and some from the sidescrollers including manhattan project http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

of course duke3D's main villain has to be back in DNF!
it's not the battlelord, nor is it the queen, cycloid emperor, overlord or assault (fat) commander.
...it's the turret!
that was really the main villain, I would be disappointed if there is no whole story about him in DNF, the turret wants to take over Earth! fantastic!

[FireFly]

It's not a question of the sheer number of enemies, but how they're used. Far Cry only had like 5 or 6 basic enemy types.

[Stuarrdo]

Beelze said:
Half-Life 2 enemies (http://www.halflife2.net/index.php?page=enemies)
18, including certain vehicles. I suppose you could count the Scanner as an enemy, as it can blind you. If so, then 19.

Doom 3 enemies (http://www.planetdoom.com/doom3/enemies/)
22, including the bosses and the Tick.



I didn't like a few of Half-life2s enemies. For me they were partial even boring. And again and again the "combines". The enemies of Half-life1 were more interesting, especially because you have to fight there against "real" soldiers from the army with faces! Not like in Half-life2 against some masked anonymities and without any interesting aliens...

For Doom3 I can't comment anything because I didn't finish the game.... simple tooooo boring uiui.

I think, if you have some real interesting enemies in DNF 15 could be enough. But they have realy be to be interesting and with special characters and behaviors.

[colmtourque]

1) thinks its funny that people mocked nacho and then george answered. FACE!!!

2) "You can play with everything"....what about underwear....Kaizer....aw never mind...'all to easy'

3) Isn't the real question on enemies not the number but how many SPECEFIC enemies there are. I think one of the cool things about Duke was the different look of the enemies and all, most games now just have different variations on the same things (in some cases works like in farcry and in other boring like in HL2), Duke was like a zoo (heck remember that level).

My 2 cents and I'll take my change

[Beelze]

Cerberus_e said:
and people complained about always the same enemy in doom 3, and there were 22+variants on zombies and +Z-secs


No, 22 all in all. It's a shame though, because 22 is a good number, that the Imp, which wasn't even varied itself, was used so much.

I hope this won't be the case with DNF. Like gameplay scenarios, enemy encounters should be varied as much as possible (as long as it fits with the context of the location and story).

[Cerberus_e]

colmtourque said:

3) Isn't the real question on enemies not the number but how many SPECEFIC enemies there are. I think one of the cool things about Duke was the different look of the enemies and all, most games now just have different variations on the same things (in some cases works like in farcry and in other boring like in HL2), Duke was like a zoo (heck remember that level).



no, there has to be ANOTHER reason why duke3D's enemies weren't repititive.
they weren't all different types.
the assault trooper and lizard man have the same recog sound.
the battlelord roaming sound is the same as when the assault trooper died, only a bit extended.

[Vexed]

All of them looked totally different though http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Cerberus_e]

not all, but there is indeed a lot of variation, you have octabrains, protozoid slimers, lizmen, battlelords, ...

[Orochi Avlis]

George Broussard said:
13) Can you give an example of how interactive DNF can be or is?

Very. You can play with everything.


http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Little Conqueror]

Duke 3D had less enemy types than Doom 3. Count 'em.

But the way in which the enemies were used is what did it. In Doom 3, not only did you fight imps every two seconds, but it was always the same type of encounter - they teleport in ahead of or behind you.

In Duke 3D, traps were fewer, farther between, and much more interesting.

[Nacho]

If there are ends up beeing 20 or so enemies I will be ok with that. As long as there are different versions.

Such as:
Pig Cop
Swat Pig
Marine Pig
Civilian Pig

Just examples.

[KaiserSoze]

nice to come around and see george has thrown out some juicy nuggets.

sounds like everything is going really good.

i'm wondering a few things:

will enemies fight each other?

any idea how many people planned for multiplay maps? (16,32, 64)

will there in fact be a water level where duke has to go underwater? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

drivable vehicles?

secondary uses for weapons?

sound effects: recycled, all new or combination of both ala hl2?

are there scary parts in the game? really creepy parts?

are there big boobies on the strippers? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

what's the current size of the build? hopefully up from the 5 gig or so i'd think?

hey charlie, didn't portman look hot in star wars 3? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

and the big one:

is there a possibility we'll get our chance to see dnf in some shape or form this year?

thanks as always

i return to limbo

[avatar_58]

I have a few questions too (why not everyone else is doing it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

* Has Duke's "look" changed at all or does he look like manhatten project with more detail?

* Will 5.1 surround sound be used?

* Are there any unique multiplayer modes to play?

* Are there any remade nostalgic levels from duke3d?

* Is it fast paced or more of one enemy at a time?

[SyntaxN]

* Will 5.1 surround sound be used?


They confirmed that in march 2004: "We support full 5.1 surround sound. Getting THX or Dolby certified is something we want to do." http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[avatar_58]

SyntaxN said:

* Will 5.1 surround sound be used?


They confirmed that in march 2004: "We support full 5.1 surround sound. Getting THX or Dolby certified is something we want to do." http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Ah! Well ignore me....I realized the answer would probably be yes anyway I just couldn't come up with any questions... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif I mean, what new game doesn't have 5.1 by now?

[Micki!]

- Will Duke contain more action than fun, or will it be kinda balanced...

- Will we see Duke WITHOUT HIS SUNGLASSES..?

- Will there be variation for the gameplay, or just the same thing on different locations..?

- Will Duke loklike he does on my drawings..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

- Are there secrets in DNF..?!

- Does the pizza's 'steal' some of the devolopment time..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

- Any inventory items..? or ONLY weapons..?!

That's it i think... please answer, thanks... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Mennuz]

George Broussard said:

>>13) Can you give an example of how interactive DNF can be or is?

Very. You can play with everything.



But duke doesn't have time to play with himself http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[hell-angel]

Mennuz said:

George Broussard said:

>>13) Can you give an example of how interactive DNF can be or is?

Very. You can play with everything.



But duke doesn't have time to play with himself http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[SyntaxN]

Finally we can use his enormous tool, that must be the BFG of DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[JackpotDen]

KaiserSoze said:
nice to come around and see george has thrown out some juicy nuggets.

sounds like everything is going really good.

i'm wondering a few things:

will enemies fight each other?

any idea how many people planned for multiplay maps? (16,32, 64)

will there in fact be a water level where duke has to go underwater? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

drivable vehicles? << Confirmed

secondary uses for weapons? << Confirmed

sound effects: recycled, all new or combination of both ala hl2?

are there scary parts in the game? really creepy parts?

are there big boobies on the strippers? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif << Look at 1998 video.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

what's the current size of the build? hopefully up from the 5 gig or so i'd think?

hey charlie, didn't portman look hot in star wars 3? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

and the big one:

is there a possibility we'll get our chance to see dnf in some shape or form this year? << June.

thanks as always

i return to limbo

[Soilwork]

Awesome.

[SyntaxN]

Will we get another christmas card with some new screenshots? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tim. Just Tim.]

avatar_58 said:
I have a few questions too (why not everyone else is doing it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

* Has Duke's "look" changed at all or does he look like manhatten project with more detail?




Im hoping his look hasnt changed since the original duke3d. SOOO many games today all have the same look for the main guy: basically some jerk inside some huge bio-suit type thing. Sure the color of the armor/suit changes from game to game, but it all looks pretty similar to me. If you shoot the guy from halo, should blood spray out? Or should it be sparks? Motor oil? I dont really like that.

I like how duke is just some dude in jeans and a red tank top. If you shoot him with a shotgun, you know hes going to feel it.

Just little thigns like this make games more fun. Sticking a Halo type helmet (or was it a robot's head?) on the neck instead of a real human face really takes a way from the game. How can you show facial expressions?

[FireFly]

But that adds to the mystique of the Master Chief character. Because he never shows his body, he can be whoever you want.

In fact it's just a suit, he's not a cyborg or anything, although he's been heavily augmented for super human strength.

[Cerberus_e]

George said there wil be at least one part of the game underwater.

[Denz]

With duke shrinked in the toilets? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[hell-angel]

Denz said:
With duke shrinked in the toilets? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



That would be cool:
Shrink duke (yourself. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif ) use you jetpack (which of course is also shrunk) and fly in to the toilet through the sewer. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif How is that for freedom of movement. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[laffer]

Well, that's the least I expect from that game. Of course that will be possible.

[Cerberus_e]

you couldn't use your jetpack in d3d when shrunk

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:
you couldn't use your jetpack in d3d when shrunk



this isn't D3D http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I know a better use of the shrinker though, when there are women walking around in skirts, shrink yourself to have a peek. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SyntaxN]

Great idea http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Hope that will be possible, as some kind of challenge for the explorers.

[Callahan]

George Broussard said:

This is hard to say, as a model can be anything from a prop (like a chair, microwave , etc) to the tons and tons of models that go into the levels as architecture to flesh out a level.





Great ! Great ! I hope they have small animals in the game, too ?
...

[Cerberus_e]

hell-angel said:

Cerberus_e said:
you couldn't use your jetpack in d3d when shrunk



this isn't D3D http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I know a better use of the shrinker though, when there are women walking around in skirts, shrink yourself to have a peek. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



what if you grow bigger to normal size again after shrink-time expired, while still "there"? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif omg

[Lengis]

hell-angel said:

Denz said:
With duke shrinked in the toilets? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



That would be cool:
Shrink duke (yourself. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif ) use you jetpack (which of course is also shrunk) and fly in to the toilet through the sewer. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif How is that for freedom of movement. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Jetpack won't be in I believe. It broke Duke 3D too much

[Beelze]

Last I heard George said that the jetpack will be in multiplayer and some singleplayer maps.

[Cerberus_e]

if they find a way to get rid of it a jetpack is good in singleplayer.

[laffer]

That toilet idea is awesome, but I think you should also be able to shrink yourself down enough to enter the nose of a pigcop for some inside adventures. You could wreak a lot of havoc in there.

Also, I think it would be cool if you could shrink pigcops and put them in microovens. That would be satisfying.

I would also like to be able to expand myself with the expander and walk around as a giant squashing Pig Cops.. it would be more practical than having to shrink every pigcop in your way.

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:

hell-angel said:

Cerberus_e said:
you couldn't use your jetpack in d3d when shrunk



this isn't D3D http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I know a better use of the shrinker though, when there are women walking around in skirts, shrink yourself to have a peek. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



what if you grow bigger to normal size again after shrink-time expired, while still "there"? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif omg



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif should say enough. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MegaMustaine]

FireFly said:
But that adds to the mystique of the Master Chief character. Because he never shows his body, he can be whoever you want.

In fact it's just a suit, he's not a cyborg or anything, although he's been heavily augmented for super human strength.



Hasn't that been ID software's argument as well. Give me a damn character with a personality. That is why I like Duke, and that is why I hate so many other characters.

[Micki!]

I would like to shrink an enemy, and flush him away in the toilet... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

And just to humiliate him, you could pee on him before flushing... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Seriously, i REALLY would like to see this... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Which reminds me of somethin; will you be able to pick up shrunken enemies..?! And do you have to press some kind of key before stomping on him..?!
Because i HATED it when i suddenly got killed just because i couldn't move away from a shrunken enemy... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[chili]

Serious Sam 2 reported around 40 types of enemes. 15 is really low especially with 9 years in development

[vivftp]

chili said:
Serious Sam 2 reported around 40 types of enemes. 15 is really low especially with 9 years in development



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
And did you forget the fact that the Serious Sam games are only about having a large number of enemies, and not all that much more?

BTW, try as hard as I can, I really can't recall 40 actual enemies in SS2... not even close

This reminds me of the tripe you read on the Bluesnews forums (read it for the first time yesterday)... 15 enemies is quite enough if used properly, and even then George said they were making more.

Plus, you'll note that he said 15 TYPES of enemies - not 15 specific enemies. A type could encompass several different actual enemies (like in Duke 3D, you had a pigcop, a pigcop in an aircraft, and a pigcop in that green ground vehicle)

People really need to stop jumping to conclusions and putting down everything 3DR touches - it's getting tiresome.

[chili]

Serious Sam 2 as in the actual sequel to Serious Sam.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/614/614795p1.html

[vivftp]

chili said:
Serious Sam 2 as in the actual sequel to Serious Sam.

http://pc.ign.com/articles/614/614795p1.html



Ah yes, keep thinking of the 2nd encounter.

Nevertheless, SS's gameplay style is wildly different than anything resembling Duke, and the point still stands

[George Broussard]

chili said:
Serious Sam 2 reported around 40 types of enemes. 15 is really low especially with 9 years in development


I don't think number of enemies has anything to do with a product's quality.

Somehow I think that HL2 with around 20 enemies will sell many many more copies than games with simply more enemies.

[Micki!]

George Broussard said:

chili said:
Serious Sam 2 reported around 40 types of enemes. 15 is really low especially with 9 years in development


I don't think number of enemies has anything to do with a product's quality.

Somehow I think that HL2 with around 20 enemies will sell many many more copies than games with simply more enemies.



I hope the same thing for you guys... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Lengis]

George Broussard said:

chili said:
Serious Sam 2 reported around 40 types of enemes. 15 is really low especially with 9 years in development


I don't think number of enemies has anything to do with a product's quality.

Somehow I think that HL2 with around 20 enemies will sell many many more copies than games with simply more enemies.



Yea, but the more enemies, the better. Makes it more interesting.

[Beelze]

Well, as long as the Octabrain (!) and the Protozoid Slimer (?) is among those enemies you've made, I don't see what could go wrong.

[Micki!]

Beelze said:
Well, as long as the Octabrain (!) and the Protozoid Slimer (?) is among those enemies you've made, I don't see what could go wrong.



True... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
[Edit:] Which means, that i WANT Octabrains back in DNF...

Don't know about the Protozoid slimer... Would be funny though... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Cerberus_e]

and the turret! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Vexed]

Lengis said:
Yea, but the more enemies, the better. Makes it more interesting.


Depends. It can be good and bad actually.

[Gryph]

It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it.

[Micki!]

Gryph said:
It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it.



How do you use an enemy..?!

Oh wait...

... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Ivan]

Gryph said:
It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it.



How do you use an ennemy?

EDIT: @ Micki! : o/\o

[Micki!]

Ivan said:

Gryph said:
It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it.



How do you use an ennemy?



HAHA... I wrote the EXACTLY same thing before you did... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Ivan]

Micki! said:

Ivan said:

Gryph said:
It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it.



How do you use an ennemy?



HAHA... I wrote the EXACTLY same thing before you did... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ted.jpg

[Bye Bye Baddies]

George Broussard said:
I don't think number of enemies has anything to do with a product's quality...




<font color="EEBE87">
True, but it is repetitive and frustrating to face the exact same enemy repeatedly. I mean, even the ghosts in Pac-Man were all unique, but from the very beginning all FPS have had legions of cloned enemies. This is even more disconcerting when you fight against human or humanoid opponents.

When facing down 20 pig-cops it would be much more aesthetically appealing if they all were different from each other. For example, have some be taller, shorter, fatter, and skinnier with maybe 2 or 3 different styles of snouts and hair cuts swapped among them. Maybe even randomly add varying pouches/accessories to their outfits.

Having just a couple swappable geometry alternatives for different faces, bodies, and accessories combined with dynamic coloring of textures (i.e. tinting clothes and skin textures at run-time) and dynamic scaling of geometry (to change the proportions of existing models) would produce a staggering variety of variations for (I'm guessing) very little extra effort. They would all remain pig-cops, but each would be an individual.

Is it possible to have random variations of the same enemy?

Is it technically or economically prohibitive in a FPS?

Pretty please with sugar and Nitroglycerine on top...

Thanks
</font>

[Lengis]

^Exactly my point

[Beelze]

Cerberus_e said:
and the turret! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Maybe the turret could be a boss! How about it George?

[Cerberus_e]

Beelze said:

Cerberus_e said:
and the turret! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Maybe the turret could be a boss! How about it George?



boss?
main villain! a whole story about him.

[Beelze]

Only if it breaks through walls.

[Roger]

Micki! said:

Gryph said:
It's not the size that counts, it's how you use it.



How do you use an enemy..?!



Placement, frequency of use, part in story, etc.

[Imfamous]

I want lots of enemies on the screen at once. If there's one thing Halo did good, it was that.

[Lengis]

Imfamous said:
I want lots of enemies on the screen at once. If there's one thing Halo did good, it was that.



It had a decent amount.... I wouldn't say it was a lot per se ;P

[vivftp]

Imfamous said:
I want lots of enemies on the screen at once. If there's one thing Halo did good, it was that.



If that's what you really want, you'll have an orgasm over Serious Sam 2 - I've heard they're going to try and set a new world record for number of enemies onscreen at a time with about 300 - 400.

Duke dosen't need hoards of enemies onscreen at a time (like SS)... 3-5 at most is quite acceptable for normal enemies, and more if they're tiny, swarming enemies.

[Imfamous]

I hate Serious Sam.

[Denz]

Hey in the path of the neo for ps2, the developper could make the ps2 rendering more than 700 to 1,500 agent smith against you. Its the GameSpy preview that say that: http://ps2.gamespy.com/playstation-2/enter-the-matrix-reloaded/610585p2.html

So serious sam 2 needs more than 1500 to compete. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SyntaxN]

So serious sam 2 needs more than 1500 to compete.


After that, they´ve to beat Rare with 9000 chars on screen in Kameo http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Duke is not Sam, I hope we will see as many enemies on screen as in Duke 3d, a little bit more of the EDF Soldiers possibly for some squad AI http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Tang Lung]

Urg...I don't want duke to turn into a brainless shooting fest like SS http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

Variety of enemies is not important so long as the enemies do slightly more than run, dodge and shoot. And so long as it's fun killing them, lack of variety can be hidden.

[Imfamous]

Tang Lung said:
Urg...I don't want duke to turn into a brainless shooting fest like SS http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif





That's exactly why I hate SS; it's a brainless shooting fest.

[Cerberus_e]

I like brainless shooting fests, but Serious Sam was boring at times, for example the second last fight of second encounter.
it's very easy (lost +- 40 health), and took 30 minutes to kill all enemies.

[Bud Bundy]

Cerberus_e said:
I like brainless shooting fests, but Serious Sam was boring at times, for example the second last fight of second encounter.
it's very easy (lost +- 40 health), and took 30 minutes to kill all enemies.


30 minutes stupid shooting? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
must order it now http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Reaper]

George: By being able to interact with everything, do you mean.. Everything? Can you pull up floorboards, pour water in sand, make balls out of it and throw them at people? Smash individual panes in a window, and then blow it off its hinges? Drink from a water dispenser, then poke a hole in the water container and watch the water spit out? Can you disembowel your enemies, drain the blood from their body, cut out their kidneys, skewer them, and then burn one side of them while roasting them over flames?

[SRTDeagle]

The ammount of enemies in a game shouldn't be the selling point. Who cares if Serious Sam 2 has over 40 types of enemies... it's all about gameplay... and George isn't going to let us down, even if the game has been in production for nearly 10 years. Good things come to those who wait.

[Cerberus_e]

I thought of something

I think what makes variation isn't having 100+ different enemies.
a game can be awfully repititive with so much different enemies.
it's about how much area-specific enemies you have. and how long you wait until all enemies are introduced.

I was already tired of shooting lava monster before I got to the lava caverns in serious sam - the second encounter.

for the first time you play a game, having enemies introduced every once in a while, and introducing the last, some of the toughest, types of enemies only at the last few levels of the game.

but then you don't have much replay value. you need to have area-specific enemies.

if you go to the woods, you need to have 2-3 enemy types that fit into woods (gorillas, camouflage soldiers, ...), and then never use them again in the game. then you go to for example the mines, you need to have enemies that fit there (mineworkers, dragons, ...).
if you go to a high-tech lab, you also have enemies for that region (turret, sentry drone, ...)
then you have the basic enemies you use over the whole game (pigcops, battlelords, ...)

that has more replay value because you are looking forward to fight against some types of enemies again, that you didn't encounter anymore after finishing the area where they are specific for. you may for example want to fight some more gorillas after finishing the game, because you only fought them for 1 level.

Serious Sam used every type of enemy in the first few levels, and re-used them for the rest of the game, which made it repititive.
now if they saved the lava monsters until the lava caverns it would make a big difference.

[Vexed]

Reaper said:
George: By being able to interact with everything, do you mean.. Everything? Can you pull up floorboards, pour water in sand, make balls out of it and throw them at people? Smash individual panes in a window, and then blow it off its hinges? Drink from a water dispenser, then poke a hole in the water container and watch the water spit out? Can you disembowel your enemies, drain the blood from their body, cut out their kidneys, skewer them, and then burn one side of them while roasting them over flames?

He said you can interact with everything, not that you can interact with everything in every concievable way. Manipulating something by shooting it (bullet holes appear or whatever) is also interaction.

[dudetheman19]

15 types of enemies?? What does that mean?

1. Does it count as three if one pigcop shoots a shotgun, one flies a helicopter and one can teleport?

2. All pigcops are counted as one type of enemies, all ocerbrains count as one enemy etc.?

Just wondering? If five of the types of enemies are just the same enemyskin just with different color shirts and different guns 15 types arent much.

How many different kinds of people, dogs and other kinds of "active enviroment figures" will there be?

[Kristian Joensen]

I would never have thougth that anyone would even consider the first way to count enemy types until I saw it for the first time in this thread. I bet and hope George used the second way to count. I count 1,2,3 not 1,5,10.

[dudetheman19]

Kristian Joensen said:
I would never have thougth that anyone would even consider the first way to count enemy types until I saw it for the first time in this thread. I bet and hope George used the second way to count. I count 1,2,3 not 1,5,10.



If you look at Duke3d, how many types of enemies would you say there are?

Would like to hear GB's view on this. Is a flying pig cop, a pig cop in a tank and a normal pig cop only counted as one type of enemy?

[Kristian Joensen]

In my book they are three variants of one type of enemy.

[dudetheman19]

Kristian Joensen said:
In my book they are three variants of one type of enemy.



If that is true then DN3D only had like 8 types of enemies or so. Then 15 wont be too bad for DNF. If each type have different variants it will seem like a lot more http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Hellhound]

Well i thought hl2 could have had more enemys.
My feeling was that there were only a few in compararaison to hl1.
Maybe the mix was missing. The soldiers looked and acted almost in the same way.
If the 15 type are really different it shouldn't be a problem.
15 enemys + different types of the 15 would be great

[Reaper]

Vexed said:

Reaper said:
George: By being able to interact with everything, do you mean.. Everything? Can you pull up floorboards, pour water in sand, make balls out of it and throw them at people? Smash individual panes in a window, and then blow it off its hinges? Drink from a water dispenser, then poke a hole in the water container and watch the water spit out? Can you disembowel your enemies, drain the blood from their body, cut out their kidneys, skewer them, and then burn one side of them while roasting them over flames?

He said you can interact with everything, not that you can interact with everything in every concievable way. Manipulating something by shooting it (bullet holes appear or whatever) is also interaction.


Of course. I was just pointing out that his statment is very fragile.

P.S. bullet holes appearing when you shoot things is by no means interaction, in my book.

[dudetheman19]

Reaper said:
Of course. I was just pointing out that his statment is very fragile.

P.S. bullet holes appearing when you shoot things is by no means interaction, in my book.



If you can shoot of an arm and use it as a weapon THAT IS INTERACTION :-)

[hell-angel]

dudetheman19 said:

Reaper said:
Of course. I was just pointing out that his statment is very fragile.

P.S. bullet holes appearing when you shoot things is by no means interaction, in my book.



If you can shoot of an arm and use it as a weapon THAT IS INTERACTION :-)



Severence blade of darkness anyone. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gif

[Tim. Just Tim.]

George Broussard said:

chili said:
Serious Sam 2 reported around 40 types of enemes. 15 is really low especially with 9 years in development


I don't think number of enemies has anything to do with a product's quality.

Somehow I think that HL2 with around 20 enemies will sell many many more copies than games with simply more enemies.



Did HL2 really have 20 enemies? It honestly felt more like 5 to me.

Many of the enemies were very similar to eachother. For eg, there was like 10 'different' enemies who were all basically exactly the same - just humanoids with weapons (either pistols, smgs or shotguns). Some of these guys were wearing grey pants, some blue, and some white. Are you counting all these tiny differences as separate enemies?

[Tip]

Tim. Just Tim. said:

George Broussard said:

chili said:
Serious Sam 2 reported around 40 types of enemes. 15 is really low especially with 9 years in development


I don't think number of enemies has anything to do with a product's quality.

Somehow I think that HL2 with around 20 enemies will sell many many more copies than games with simply more enemies.



Did HL2 really have 20 enemies? It honestly felt more like 5 to me.

Many of the enemies were very similar to eachother. For eg, there was like 10 'different' enemies who were all basically exactly the same - just humanoids with weapons (either pistols, smgs or shotguns). Some of these guys were wearing grey pants, some blue, and some white. Are you counting all these tiny differences as separate enemies?


I'd say there were about 13 enemies, there were the combine, zombies, headcrabs, those crazy headcrabs, the really fast zombies, the zombies who tossed headcrabs, manhacks, antlions, antlion guards, helicopters, combine gunships, barnacles, and striders.
I know some of those were variations on an enemy type, but I would say that there is a very big difference between a regular zombie, the fast zombies, and the zombies who threw headcrabs.

[Vexed]

earlier that day.. errr thread..

Beelze said:
Half-Life 2 enemies (http://www.halflife2.net/index.php?page=enemies)
18, including certain vehicles. I suppose you could count the Scanner as an enemy, as it can blind you. If so, then 19.

Doom 3 enemies (http://www.planetdoom.com/doom3/enemies/)
22, including the bosses and the Tick.

[avatar_58]

Bah amount of enemies means nothing. As long as the game uses them properly then I don't see an issue.

[Joe Siegler]

avatar_58 said:
Bah amount of enemies means nothing. As long as the game uses them properly then I don't see an issue.



Indeed - this entire bit about number of enemies really is a non issue. Y'all are getting bent out of shape over nothing.

[Little Conqueror]

I don't care how many enemy types there are, because Apogee/3DR have proven that they make good, unique enemies. Looking at their past games, all of the enemies I see are memorable, even those in games like Raptor or Halloween Harry/Alien Carnage.

[Lotan]

I think it is not right to compare past 3dRealms games with what we may have now. Most people quit, others changed.

We will see.

[Kristian Joensen]

By my count over 48% of the Duke3D levels where made by current employees.

[Kristian Joensen]

And over 27% of those who made the Atomic Edition are still their.

Plus, the overall company vision hasn't changed since George and Scott are still incharge.

Some if not all of the current employees have been dedicated Duke3D/3D Realms fans like Charlie.

[Nacho]

That's the way it should be.

[hell-angel]

We are not sure who of the original D3D people still work there, since the bio pages are off line. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Actually we do know since George has told us.

[Tedades]

>>13) Can you give an example of how interactive DNF can be or is?

Very. You can play with everything.




http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hell-angel]

Kristian Joensen said:
Actually we do know since George has told us.



he did?? when and where??

[Kristian Joensen]

here. (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=dnf&Number=834058&Searchpage=1&Main=833314&Words=Team+George+Broussard&topic=&Search=true#Post834058)

[hell-angel]

So, that's 3 people they have working that where also on D3D.

I expect that atm. 3DR has 20 people (or so) working on DNF, that's more like 15%. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

But I now see what you mean. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Nacho]

Actually, they have about 30 people working on DNF.

[hell-angel]

Nacho said:
Actually, they have about 30 people working on DNF.



allright, that means 10% then. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Yes, but what matters more is what percentage of DN3D was made by people on the DNF team.

[hell-angel]

Kristian Joensen said:
Yes, but what matters more is what percentage of DN3D was made by people on the DNF team.



No it doesn't, because:
Past results are no guarantee for the future. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

All that matters is that they delive a kick ass game, and whether it was made by the same people that made D3D or god, or the devil or a baby, I don't care as long as it rules. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

hell-angel said:

Kristian Joensen said:
Yes, but what matters more is what percentage of DN3D was made by people on the DNF team.



No it doesn't, because:
Past results are no guarantee for the future. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

All that matters is that they delive a kick ass game, and whether it was made by the same people that made D3D or god, or the devil or a baby, I don't care as long as it rules. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



the small percentage that also developped Duke3D is boss enough over the new people apogee got over the course of years.
for example George Broussard is already a long time with apogee, he can put enough "pressure" on his team to let DNF be true to its predecessor.
I'm not worried at all that the game won't be anything like Duke3D because only a small part of the Duke3D team is working on DNF.
after all... the 2001 video was like Duke3D, right?
the 1998 movie not really, but that was probably just the mines part http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Nacho]

Alright, I will try again. So please answer if you can. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



1) Have you actually started sound work as in in-game sound? (Not voice acting)

2) Have you started any voice acting yet?

3) Are drivable vehicles in?

4) Does the Jetpack drain like in Duke3D or does it last forever?

5) Which weapons from Duke3D return?

6) Anything from the original two Duke games re-appear?

7) What is the main enemy in the game? (i.e. is it human, alien, robot etc.)

8) What is the average load time you would say?

9) Have you played DNF in multiplayer yet? How is it?

10) How long do you think untill you begin to design the box art?


Thank you.

[Micki!]

Nacho said:
Alright, I will try again. So please answer if you can. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



1) Have you actually started sound work as in in-game sound? (Not voice acting)

2) Have you started any voice acting yet?

3) Are drivable vehicles in?

4) Does the Jetpack drain like in Duke3D or does it last forever?

5) Which weapons from Duke3D return?

6) Anything from the original two Duke games re-appear?

7) What is the main enemy in the game? (i.e. is it human, alien, robot etc.)

8) What is the average load time you would say?

9) Have you played DNF in multiplayer yet? How is it?

10) How long do you think untill you begin to design the box art?


Thank you.




Just for fun, i'll make as if i were George, and come up with a bunch of false answers... just for fun and to kill time untill he actually shows up... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
*Ahem

1) Yes, we've already recorded most sounds... Most of them are not in-game yet however... Those sounds include the following as an example of how different the gameplay will be through out DNF:
- Eating pizza and Taco-bell food...
- Strippers
- Stripclub music (many variations)
- Strippers
- Casino ambience, and ambient music inside certain bouldings
- beer drinking sounds
- Fat strippers
- And weapon sounds

2) Yes we have... Mostly Duke, but also some NPC's like the GSPCS, and strippers if you give them money etc...

3) Yes ther are LOT'S of drivable vehicles in DNF... Not controlled by the player however...

4) The jetpack drains beer from beer canisters, and they can also regain your health...

5) All weapons will be back... Except for the pistol, shotgun, chaingun/ripper, RPG, Expander, pipebombs, devastator and tripbombs... i've already confirmed the shrinker and the freezer... But i won't tell about the rest of the Duke3D arsenal http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

6) Yes, the exact same textures will be used pretty much everywhere in DNF... Prepare for some hardcore nostalgia...

7) There will be some aliens to start with... But mainly you'll be fighting zombie soldiers and several spawning enemies in mid-battle... We don't think other game companies have thought about this type of enemies before...

8) About 5-25 minutes...(on high-end machines that is)

9) There's no multi player currently in DNF... But we're planning in releasing a DM-only pack later on Gamextream shortly after release... Expect to piss in a toilet, and kick it after your enemy... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

10) We've decided to steal Elmurfud's box design, and claim it as ours... he can't sue us anyways... Were too rich... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[ultra tree 85!]

Nacho said:
Alright, I will try again. So please answer if you can. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



1) Have you actually started sound work as in in-game sound? (Not voice acting)

2) Have you started any voice acting yet?

3) Are drivable vehicles in?

4) Does the Jetpack drain like in Duke3D or does it last forever?

5) Which weapons from Duke3D return?

6) Anything from the original two Duke games re-appear?

7) What is the main enemy in the game? (i.e. is it human, alien, robot etc.)

8) What is the average load time you would say?

9) Have you played DNF in multiplayer yet? How is it?

10) How long do you think untill you begin to design the box art?


Thank you.



Great job with the questions, Nacho! If George answers these, I'll be around this time to witness it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
The answer will probably be When It's Done, of course.

[Micki!]

ultra tree 85! said:

The answer will probably be When It's Done, of course.



No, it'll be exactly like my answers... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[Nacho]

He's answered my Questions before. I don't ask much, just a little treat once in a while. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ultra tree 85!]

Nacho said:
He's answered my Questions before. I don't ask much, just a little treat once in a while. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Well, that's a good system. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[ultra tree 85!]

Nacho said:


3) Are drivable vehicles in?





Has anything on this been confirmed at all since 2001? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Micki!]

ultra tree 85! said:

Nacho said:


3) Are drivable vehicles in?





Has anything on this been confirmed at all since 2001? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



Only if the Jetpack can be defined as a vehicle... We don't know ANYTHING about vehicles that are controlled by the player yet... Although, i guess because of the 'insane interactivity' we'll be able to use stuff like cranes or similar... which also could be called a vehicle... It ain't drivable however... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[JackpotDen]

1) Will there be public/limited public beta testing/beta weekends avalible, like with guild wars?

[TheBoogieman]

hmm ..... that could may be fun at least http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Water12356]

Nacho said:
If there are ends up beeing 20 or so enemies I will be ok with that. As long as there are different versions.

Such as:
Pig Cop
Swat Pig
Marine Pig
Civilian Pig

Just examples.



Eh this isnt HL with the headcrabs. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I say there should be the standard pig cop and maybe the swat pig. I dont think there should be any other types of pig cop.

20 sounds right. I dont think you really need anymore that that. Duke isnt Sam.

[Kristian Joensen]

JackpotDen said:
1) Will there be public/limited public beta testing/beta weekends avalible, like with guild wars?



No, this a been answered before, 3D Realms will do their own beta testing, that shouldn't have changed with the restarts since that has nothing to do with the game itself.

[BlindCarrion]

I think you should read the -READ THIS FIRST- thread http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif




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DUKE WILL ROCK

[Zaarin]

Please no platform jumping alá Serious Sam 2 demolevel. Pretty pretty please?

How about multicamera angles alá 24 or Fahrenheit?

What's the cigar brand that Duke smokes?

[hell-angel]

Zaarin said:
Please no platform jumping alá Serious Sam 2 demolevel. Pretty pretty please?

How about multicamera angles alá 24 or Fahrenheit?

What's the cigar brand that Duke smokes?



The demo of SS2 was not that good IMO.

No Multi Camera angles, it has been confirmed that the game will be through dukes eyes only. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Duke doesn't need to smoke. But if he did, I am sure it will be cuban. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Zaarin said:
Please no platform jumping alá Serious Sam 2 demolevel. Pretty pretty please?



why not? jumping puzzles rock, they are in the roots of FPS, which come from sidescrollers full of them http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I actually like jumping puzzles, how can you possibly dislike the one in SS2 demo? it's not hard at all.

[TheBoogieman]

so , i tested D3, SS2 and FEAR... and MAAAAAN, doom is boring as hell ...

SS2 seems to me like a lot of fun... verry colorfull and many enemies... but not realy food for the brain.

but i like FEAR... yes! nice animations, nice KI .... a little bit like HL, isn´t it?

so , back to the roots!
i wonder why this forum takes so long - because we al knew : WID! so why all these questions , suggestions and blabla http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[ladik]

George! Only one to ask for you :

Please release only ONE screenshot from DNF in year 2006 spring! I'm waiting this game for a long long long time already like all the fans here and i want a screenshot. So if this not a big thing for you, please do this favor for me. I hope that Duke kick my ass :-)


Many thanks!

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[BlindCarrion]

but i like FEAR... yes! nice animations, nice KI .... a little bit like HL, isn´t it?




Oh yea!!

it was my first thought too! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


But isn´t it a little bit too recilinear and short!!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

but it´s nice http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[TheBoogieman]

hey , its only a demo... nothing more , nothing less http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
but i´m looking forward to the complete game ....

because DNF takes sooooooooooooooooo long. so we all have to play other games

.oO(yell : do you hear us, george?!) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[.cshrc]

Kristian Joensen said:
here. (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=dnf&Number=834058&Searchpage=1&Main=833314&Words=Team+George+Broussard&topic=&Search=true#Post834058)




You guys still don't get it do you? Why do you think only 3 people from the original team are left? George has abused his talent and they walked out on him. thats the reason why he removed the bio pages so that people wont start worrying about DNF's fate. Yes he hired a new team, but the truth still remains. They walked on him becuase he deleted the work that they worked long and hard on. And as you all know, it kicked ass. We all saw the 2001 video. If I was Lee Jackson, I'd walk out too.

I hope it was worth it George!

[Kristian Joensen]

Stop lying, the levels from the 2001 version where only "early shells". They had to restart, the whole DNF team has never quit. We can confirm the entire level design team from that trailer has remained, you are confusing Duke3D with DNF. You are beeing extremely presumptous in your post.

[.cshrc]

I'm sorry but I wish I was lying.

I'm not confusing anything. I've been following DNF since it was anounced back in 1997. I know all the members that were at 3drealms before the massive walkout in 2002. Infact, the old bios are still up somewhere on the internet. Just google for them. You're just not facing facts.

The guy who made Grabbag, the main song for d3d, is gone and so are a lot of others. These people were all working on DNF before 2002. Why would they suddenly leave with no mention whatsoever other than the fact that they no longer work there? Because its nobody's business who George pisses off, thats why.

[Guere]

.cshrc said:
I'm sorry but I wish I was lying.

I'm not confusing anything. I've been following DNF since it was anounced back in 1997. I know all the members that were at 3drealms before the massive walkout in 2002. Infact, the old bios are still up somewhere on the internet. Just google for them. You're just not facing facts.

The guy who made Grabbag, the main song for d3d, is gone and so are a lot of others. These people were all working on DNF before 2002. Why would they suddenly leave with no mention whatsoever other than the fact that they no longer work there? Because its nobody's business who George pisses off, thats why.



Facts/proof please. I'm not saying it didn't happen period but it's pretty hard to believe the way you're rambling. If you really know so much, then tell us who left. All you can say is "the guy who made grabbag" is gone. Well, wowie! Where's "the massive walkout"? Really, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[.cshrc]

Look, I'm not here to piss anyone off. I'm just saying what I have seen. I did say a lot more than you give me credit for. There are several links that I was responding to but I'm not going to start cutting and pasting anything in here. Especially since all of that information has already been posted/discussed.

If you would rather get pissed off at me instead of facing facts, thats your problem.

[FireFly]

.cshrc said:
I'm sorry but I wish I was lying.

I'm not confusing anything. I've been following DNF since it was anounced back in 1997. I know all the members that were at 3drealms before the massive walkout in 2002. Infact, the old bios are still up somewhere on the internet. Just google for them. You're just not facing facts.

The guy who made Grabbag, the main song for d3d, is gone and so are a lot of others. These people were all working on DNF before 2002. Why would they suddenly leave with no mention whatsoever other than the fact that they no longer work there? Because its nobody's business who George pisses off, thats why.


That's just conjecture on your part. You don't why they walked out.

I don't think there's anything suspicious about the fact that only 3 members of the original team remain - it has been 10 years after all. Even if they did all walk out because of the restart, how did George abuse his power?

They weren't even two years from shipping at that point, the tech was in a mess, and the levels were just shells. He didn't just one day decide to delete everyone's work. Instead he was forced to take the only option that would put DNF back on track - a restart. Now this wasn't a snap decision, and most of the time in 2002 was spent getting the tech solid so they did know how to go forward content-wise in 2003.

Oh, and Lee Jackson is no longer in the industry any more - I wouldn't speak for him.

[.cshrc]

I'm sorry but you guys are really forgetful aren't you?

"When its done in 2001"

2002 comes, bio pages go down, and a little later a revised faq confirming that many people who were working on DNF are no longer working on the project.

Yes I don't know what the exact reasons are, but I can guess.

I never said he abused his power, I simply said he was abusing the talent that he hired. I'm pretty sure a lot of them got upset when the textures/music that they had worked on for the past 4 years was deleted.

Of course, I always hope that whatever did happened, happened for the best. We will have to wait and see about that.

[ultra tree 85!]

.cshrc said:
I'm sorry but you guys are really forgetful aren't you?

"When its done in 2001"

2002 comes, bio pages go down, and a little later a revised faq confirming that many people who were working on DNF are no longer working on the project.

Yes I don't know what the exact reasons are, but I can guess.

I never said he abused his power, I simply said he was abusing the talent that he hired. I'm pretty sure a lot of them got upset when the textures/music that they had worked on for the past 4 years was deleted.

Of course, I always hope that whatever did happened, happened for the best. We will have to wait and see about that.



I thought that most of the duke 3d team left within 1-3 years of the game. Most of them were still working on it before the restart? I never heard anything about a big walkout. Many of them left earlier to work at ritual, some id, I think, N- Space and other companies I believe. Todd Replogle left in the research stages of DNF. Was it confirmed that most of the original team was still there in 2001? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[.cshrc]

Thats what I said!!! Nodody heard of it. I'm just pointing it out. Get pissed at me, go ahead!!

[FireFly]

Right, all you can do is guess. The restart was in early 2002, the bio pages went down around August 2002, for an unspecified reason (perhaps when one person left, perhaps following the loss of multiple people, perhaps following their decision to hire a lot more team members).

And in fact they hadn't worked solidly on the game for 4 years. Even following the move to the Unreal Engine, content was scrapped in mini restarts, as the tech was updated. This is why they'd made so little progress by E3 2001.

[ultra tree 85!]

FireFly said:
Right, all you can do is guess. The restart was in early 2002, the bio pages went down around August 2002, for an unspecified reason (perhaps when one person left, perhaps following the loss of multiple people, perhaps following their decision to hire a lot more team members).

And in fact they hadn't worked solidly on the game for 4 years. Even following the move to the Unreal Engine, content was scrapped in mini restarts, as the tech was updated. This is why they'd made so little progress by E3 2001.



Right Before the bios went down, were there still a lot of Duke 3D members left?

[.cshrc]

There were definately more than 3, but thats besides the point that the team that had made what was in the 2001 video ba