The cool puzzle ideas thread.

[Cerberus_e]

This thread is about cool puzzles that involve impossible things, which involves portals, wallwalks, rooms with abnormal physics, ...
so don't post your idea about a crushing ceiling that has to be turned off by several switches, because that's POSSIBLE in real rooms.
also, don't post your ideas what can be done with portals, there is already a thread about that (impossible physics thread), you can only do that if you also fully describe a puzzle which involves your idea.

I hope to see really cool ideas here (and also hope HumanHead and 3DR have other cool ideas that they haven't revealed, and will not reveal in order to surprise the player)

[Cerberus_e]

Here is my first idea (attached is an illustration of the idea)
it's inspired by a serious sam: the second encounter room.
if you want to know which room I mean, read the spoiler

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">
second encounter, level 4A: serpents yard, the room with the Ix Chel mask you need to place on an altar. it's that mask that after you pick it up it triggers the stone head on the opposite side of the serpent yard to shoot fireballs to the altar.
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also inspired by a mini-labyrinth idea posted in the impossible physics thread.

legend:
the big black squares represent walls (I drawed the picture quick, so in fact the squares need to be all the same size and shape, or else it would look ugly in the game)
S = start
D = destination.
blue lines = teleports (they are static: they do not move or change destination, and do not change the direction the player is headed), also the teleporting is simultaneosly, without sound or something, and without pause or visual effects... (so it's some sort of invisible portal, except you don't see the other side of the portal through the portal, so it's a teleport and not a portal).
the teleports are also 2-way, which means teleport A connects to B, and B connects to A.
red line = example of which way the player can take.
brown dotted line = when entering a teleport, the brown dotted line represents where the player is transported to when entering a teleport (blue line)

so in fact you have a 5*5 field of walls, except the middle wall is missing (the middle point is the goal of the player, where he needs to go)

the player goes around the field, then enters a teleport (without knowing there is a teleport like I said, the same goes for every teleport) and is transported to the opposite side of the field, the player turns to the right (player's perspective) then enters another teleport and is transported to the outside of the field on a whole different part of the field. he turns a bit around, and when he's almost at his destination, he goes into another teleport, but fortunately that teleport doesn't bring him to a whole different part of the field, so he can reach his destination. mission accomplished.

Questions that you are wondering:

Q: it's too easy, there are at least 2 ways where you can go straight to the middle, without turning around.
A: this is only a mini representation, the actual puzzle could be a field of 49*49 walls with the destination in the middle, and a lot more teleports.

Q: why would this be fun?
A: I don't know if it's fun, but I think it's fun because you can always SEE your destination, you are never lost, it's only a bit searching where the teleports are, and hoping you will get to the middle. it's not that every piece of corridor between the blocks of walls have teleports, there are difenitely a few ways you can take without encountering a teleport.

Q: why teleports, and not portals?
A: because if you are for example almost in the middle, and there is a portal right before you that leads to the outside of the field, then you would be able to see the walls of the room where this puzzle is located through the portal, so you know there is a portal and don't want to go through it. you would also see the destination through portals that lead to the middle. so in fact portals are too easy for this puzzle. or it could be the opposite effect: too frustrating because of all portals that you can see through portals that you can see through portals, so the whole view would be beautiful, but frustrating to get through (since you don't see the middle destination/goal)

I also thought of something alternate, instead of not changing the direction of the player when going through a teleport, don't change the direction of the player towards the middle. so if a player enters a teleport, with his face to the goal in the middle, after entering the teleport his face would still be turned to the middle.

Q: Why would the alternate way of designing the puzzle be more fun for the player?
A: because he doesn't always have to worry about turning around back to the middle then. on the other hand, it could also be too much no brainer then (KEEP PRESSING THE GO FORWARD BUTTON AND YOU'LL REACH THE DESTINATION!!! if you know what I mean)

thanks, I hope I described this puzzle crystal clear (and you read everything http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif what do you think of it?

[Cerberus_e]

for those too lazy (which I can understand) to read my idea, I can resume it:

it's a 49*49 field of square walls, and you have to reach the middle of the field, but between the square walls there are invisible teleports that throw you to different locations inside this field

there you have it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

AARGH!!!
TO... MUCH... CAN'T... READ EVERYTHING!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[Cerberus_e]

I knew that, that's why I resumed everything http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:
I knew that, that's why I resumed everything http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



It's summarized not resumed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

But I like it, could be annoying though so it should not be to big. Great idea though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/thumbsup.gif

[Cerberus_e]

yes! someone liked my idea, and even better, someone READ by idea http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
and couldn't you say it's summarized earlier! I wrote resumed on my english test today http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I only now realize resume is the word that is written on my winamp http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
our english teacher is foolish, 6 pages in 45 minutes, no one answered every question, too few time.

btw: post some ideas people, or else I look stupid with my thread http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:
yes! someone liked my idea, and even better, someone READ by idea http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
and couldn't you say it's summarized earlier! I wrote resumed on my english test today http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I only now realize resume is the word that is written on my winamp http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
our english teacher is foolish, 6 pages in 45 minutes, no one answered every question, too few time.




HAHA http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Seriously, how did the rest of the test go?? I am sure you did allright judging by your posts here. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Cerberus_e said:

btw: post some ideas people, or else I look stupid with my thread http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Who says you don't look stupid allready??

Any way,

How about a puzzle where you have to draw a robotic/shielded enemie through a portal so that he falls off a cliff (where the exit of the portal is of course http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ) Don't have time to draw it out but I am sure someone here can/will. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

hell-angel said:

Cerberus_e said:

btw: post some ideas people, or else I look stupid with my thread http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Who says you don't look stupid allready??




http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


hell-angel said:
How about a puzzle where you have to draw a robotic/shielded enemie through a portal so that he falls off a cliff (where the exit of the portal is of course http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ) Don't have time to draw it out but I am sure someone here can/will. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



haha, draw draw, it's the same word, my vocabulary increases by day.

I'm sure I will have 50% for english.
at least my maths test was good, it was in the newspaper that flemish people are best in maths http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I have 100% for the test http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif (23/23)

on topic: yes that existed long ago in sidescrollers (draing enemies in black holes), would be cool to do in 3D http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:

hell-angel said:

Cerberus_e said:

btw: post some ideas people, or else I look stupid with my thread http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Who says you don't look stupid allready??




http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif




This was meant as a joke though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (sorry, forgot the smilie. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif )

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Watching the Prey video, I realized there is TONS of potential for puzzles in this game. With portals, wierd gravity, wallwalks, deathwalking, and the fact that you're on an alien spaceship, means that basically anything goes and the possibilities are endless. Especially near the end of the video, where all the cubes assemble themselves into a bigger cube... that had puzzle written all over it.

I just wanted to chime in and say that I hate puzzles in FPS games. IMO they dont belong there at all. And that kind of sucks for me, because almost every FPS game has them.

[colmtourque]

I think it depends, I think in DNF puzzles could be there, but if you don't want to deal with it a good solid hit with a Devestator should take out the wall so you can go around...i.e. DNF is the kinda game where puzzles should be optional there should be multiple ways etc...
In Prey I could see Puzzles as a good part of the emersion of the game and story, different kind of FPS so different ways to play. So in RESUME http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif puzzles should be considered as part of the overall feel of the game, and not just to break up action.

[Cerberus_e]

colmtourque said:
in RESUME http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I'm sure you don't know what a summary is in dutch, do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif without looking it up

[Vexed]

In his defense, your english is atrocious. However, in your defense, he used emersion instead of immersion. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

ps: Samenvatting? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Vexed said:
In his defense, your english is atrocious.




Really? I am above the average of my class, with 74% on my last "endresults"


Vexed said:ps: Samenvatting? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



way to go to say the answers prematurely before colmtourque had a change to answer http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
you probably looked it up http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Vexed]

Heh, just janking your chain there.
Wanna bet my dutch is better than your english? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Let's take it to pm if you wanna take me up on that bet. Wheee.

[Cerberus_e]

ok

(note to other users: I'm currently winning in the PM war)

[colmtourque]

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif
Great, one post and we get an English lesson, darn nerds are everywhere.
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

(I hope everyone gets that I am just teasing, by the way).

and no, I do not speak woodshoe http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[hell-angel]

Vexed said:
Heh, just janking your chain there.
Wanna bet my dutch is better than your english? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Let's take it to pm if you wanna take me up on that bet. Wheee.



Cerberus_e said:
ok

(note to other users: I'm currently winning in the PM war)



Tssk, this just proves that dutch speaking people are to violent and competitive, they cann't be trusted. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif
I hate dutch speaking people.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[avatar_58]

Vexed said:
In his defense, your english is atrocious.



I find his english pretty good, your better than my asian math teacher... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif I failed because I couldn't understand hik (or the math for that matter....but I got 80% in the makeup...you figure it out)

[Cerberus_e]

hell-angel said:

Vexed said:
Heh, just janking your chain there.
Wanna bet my dutch is better than your english? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Let's take it to pm if you wanna take me up on that bet. Wheee.



Cerberus_e said:
ok

(note to other users: I'm currently winning in the PM war)



Tssk, this just proves that dutch speaking people are to violent and competitive, they cann't be trusted. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif
I hate dutch speaking people.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



luckily you ABSOLUTELY DON'T speak dutch eh http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



I find his english pretty good




thanks, I really appreciate it, look how complex my english is: 2,3-dimethyl-2-buthene

[colmtourque]

luckily you ABSOLUTELY DON'T speak dutch eh



Learning english or canadian
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Vexed]

I hate speaking dutch. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Cerberus_e]

waarom?
en zwijg colmtourque http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Vexed]

Hey if you want to post in dutch, go to a dutch forum http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
And why I hate speaking dutch? Simply put, cause if find it boring I guess. It vexes me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Well you are Vexed.

[colmtourque]

eesay ouyay ouldashay aidsay atthay inway utchday andway
eallyray exedvay 'emway.

I'mway otnay exedvay 'uzcay Iway eakspay ethay estbay anguagelay
inway ethay olewhay arnday orldway, americanway englishway, ( http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif
otnay ethay oringbay Ittishbray, orway ethay Anukekay ehway,
orway Australianway eikekray (msay))!
:hhgay:

Ifway Iway eftlay anyway oupsgray ofway Englishway eakersspay
outway easeplay ustjay insertway ourselvesyay inway erethay. :
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif


--Iway amway ackingcray yselfmay allway overway ithway isthay
ostpay, ootway ootway


Asway away otenay Iway an'tcway anslatetray "zwijg "
ithway onlineway anslationtray ogramspray, OHDAY!

[Cerberus_e]

colmtourque said:
eesay ouyay ouldashay aidsay atthay inway utchday andway
eallyray exedvay 'emway.

I'mway otnay exedvay 'uzcay Iway eakspay ethay estbay anguagelay
inway ethay olewhay arnday orldway, americanway englishway, ( http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif
otnay ethay oringbay Ittishbray, orway ethay Anukekay ehway,
orway Australianway eikekray (msay))!
:hhgay:

Ifway Iway eftlay anyway oupsgray ofway Englishway eakersspay
outway easeplay ustjay insertway ourselvesyay inway erethay. :
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif


--Iway amway ackingcray yselfmay allway overway ithway isthay
ostpay, ootway ootway


Asway away otenay Iway an'tcway anslatetray "zwijg "
ithway onlineway anslationtray ogramspray, OHDAY!



cool puzzle idea.
*Cerberus_e imagines that lyrics are in the game http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif*

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:

hell-angel said:

Tssk, this just proves that dutch speaking people are to violent and competitive, they cann't be trusted. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif
I hate dutch speaking people.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



luckily you ABSOLUTELY DON'T speak dutch eh http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif




What makes you think that I am a nice guy?? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif





I find his english pretty good




thanks, I really appreciate it, look how complex my english is: 2,3-dimethyl-2-buthene



Wooohhh!!! Nice complex.. *bows to complexity* http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif , now if you could only explain what substance this is supposed to be. (It looks like something I had in my science classes a about 8 years back. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif ) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

it's an organic substance.
buthene = 4 C atoms, but with the dimethyl you have (I think) 2 extra C atoms, on the second and the third C of buthene.
also, there is a double connection between the second and third C atom.
all free connections go to H atoms http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:
it's an organic substance.
buthene = 4 C atoms, but with the dimethyl you have (I think) 2 extra C atoms, on the second and the third C of buthene.
also, there is a double connection between the second and third C atom.
all free connections go to H atoms http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



hmm.. isn't that a form of gasoline/diesel/oil??

[Cerberus_e]

could be, but I'm speaking in chemistry terms.
I know ethanol is alcohol though http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Ronald McDonald]

ethanol = beer http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:
could be, but I'm speaking in chemistry terms.
I know ethanol is alcohol though http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



And the fact that you know that most likely has nothing to do with chemistry. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif