virtual reality gaming.

[Geir]

imagine a future where games were already at their fullest detail, where nothing needs to be changed. what's next? one possibility to this is making the games feel real, like in everquest, after getting shot with an arrow, you actually feel the pain. and also having to move your body in the game by moving it with your mind like, say you are a Vah Shir, an iksar or your a cleric (right class?) that turned into a wolf. you can't move your tail out in the real world in order to move your tail in-game because humans have no tails at all. plus, if you were in the game, you would feel the temperature and water against your skin when you travel or swim.

the downsides of all this is that having the components for this type of realistic gameplay can be quite expensive, your mind could be at risk from all the next gen viruses coming out, what if with this new technology, you would not be able to communicate with the real world and what would happen during a power surge.

your choice: pump it or dump it?

[Vexed]

virtual realty gaming

Realty gaming? Is that some kind of game where you walk around and buy houses or something? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Sounds kind of lame.

[Rider]

DNF in VR would probably be the most Extreme experience EVAHR!

imagine walking through an alien infested street and having the idea that everything is REAL!

would rule...

[avatar_58]

*Puts on reality helmet and plays Leisure Suit Larry XXI: Life's a bitch*

[Needle]

The real risk with perfectly realistic virtual worlds would be the fact that people would discard the real world in favor of the much more appealing virtual worlds. I mean, you could have everything you want. EVERYTHING! Want to explore the universe? No problem. Do it virtual. It'll be much more exciting. Want to be a god? Sure, go ahaed! Nobody would want to log off anymore.

But fortunately, in this distant future, we'll also have our AI overlords to run the world for us.

Pump it.

[Gryph]

"after getting shot with an arrow, you actually feel the pain"

Uhh...no thanks. I like that there is a certian disconnect between me and my games.

[Vexed]

Needle said:
The real risk with perfectly realistic virtual worlds would be the fact that people would discard the real world in favor of the much more appealing virtual worlds.

You mean like what's already happening with MMORPGS? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Some people seriously go nuts for those games.

[Lengis]

I think it'll be a while before we have true virtual sensory, but things like VR head sets are just the next step I think.

True 3D has yet to be achieved, although there have been some noble attempts in the past... But those were simply ahead of their time, and the developers were too ambitious. I mean honestly... playing Dark Forces 1 with a huge VR head set? That game used sprites ffs!


But you can bet something different will be planned for the next generation (the one after ps3, xbox 360, rev). Simply improving the visuals is not enough.

[IgWannA]

i've been thinking about this subject for a while, off and on. the first thing that needs to happen if we are to actually further the immersion in games, is to adopt VR headsets. graphic quality only matters up to a point, but even if it were photorealistic, why put it on a 32" tv screen and make us see a 2-dimensional representation of the 3D world which has been created?

imagine if you will having current quality graphcs (doom 3 for example) but viewed on a VR headset which feels like you are actually IN the game, not just watching and controlling it. the graphics obviously wouldn't be real enough to totally fool us into believing in this imaginary world, but it would sure be a LOT more believable than watching it on a screen.

not only do you eliminate the problem of seeing the rest of the room, not only the TV, but you can have complete control of where you look, rather than having a static view on TV. you don't look around in real life with a mouse or gamepad - you use your head and your eyes.

anyway, all this talk is really making me want a VR headset....

[FireFly]

We need have games jacked into our visual cortex.

[Vexed]

why put it on a 32" tv screen and make us see a 2-dimensional representation of the 3D world which has been created?


Because people want their friends to see the stupid shit they're doing? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Rider said:
DNF in VR would probably be the most Extreme experience EVAHR!

imagine walking through an alien infested street and having the idea that everything is REAL!

would rule...



Their "Duke" trademark covers that. I don't think the "Duke Nukem" one does, though.

[Kristian Joensen]

Lengis said:
I think it'll be a while before we have true virtual sensory, but things like VR head sets are just the next step I think.

True 3D has yet to be achieved, although there have been some noble attempts in the past... But those were simply ahead of their time, and the developers were too ambitious. I mean honestly... playing Dark Forces 1 with a huge VR head set? That game used sprites ffs!




Ehh everything is 3D we live in a 3D world your monitor is 3D.

[DudeMiester]

If you had that, then you'd just spend more time developing new kinds of gameplay instead of graphics techniques.

[Kristian Joensen]

"If you had that"

What "that" ?

[IgWannA]

i really think VR headsets will become the biggest revolution in the way we play games. the technology just needs to catch up a little but we're really very close i think. i remember VR headsets used to be big chunky ugly looking things that cost $1500. nowadays because LCD screens are so cheap and new technologies are being made all the time, i think VR headsets will become very affordable.

just imagine all the future peripherals which you could use, now that you don't need to control where you look with a D-pad. you could get gloves which know when you move your fingers to grip things but these would be ralatively cheap as well. imagine a gun which you can use like arcade time crisis but it would be in full 3d because of the headset. i just don't know why it's not popular at all yet....

[Geir]

Vexed said:

virtual realty gaming

Realty gaming? Is that some kind of game where you walk around and buy houses or something? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Sounds kind of lame.




muahahaha... *cough*

thanks for warning me within the editing time limit.

[Needle]

IgWannA said:
i really think VR headsets will become the biggest revolution in the way we play games. the technology just needs to catch up a little but we're really very close i think. i remember VR headsets used to be big chunky ugly looking things that cost $1500.


Welcome to 5 years ago. Remember this (http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=347) ? Yeah, those lightweight 3D glases that no one wanted.

[Lengis]

Kristian Joensen said:

Lengis said:
I think it'll be a while before we have true virtual sensory, but things like VR head sets are just the next step I think.

True 3D has yet to be achieved, although there have been some noble attempts in the past... But those were simply ahead of their time, and the developers were too ambitious. I mean honestly... playing Dark Forces 1 with a huge VR head set? That game used sprites ffs!




Ehh everything is 3D we live in a 3D world your monitor is 3D.



True 3D in GAMES peewee http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Lengis said:

Kristian Joensen said:

Lengis said:
I think it'll be a while before we have true virtual sensory, but things like VR head sets are just the next step I think.

True 3D has yet to be achieved, although there have been some noble attempts in the past... But those were simply ahead of their time, and the developers were too ambitious. I mean honestly... playing Dark Forces 1 with a huge VR head set? That game used sprites ffs!




Ehh everything is 3D we live in a 3D world your monitor is 3D.



True 3D in GAMES peewee http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



As I said we have already got that.

[Lengis]

Kristian Joensen said:

Lengis said:

Kristian Joensen said:

Lengis said:
I think it'll be a while before we have true virtual sensory, but things like VR head sets are just the next step I think.

True 3D has yet to be achieved, although there have been some noble attempts in the past... But those were simply ahead of their time, and the developers were too ambitious. I mean honestly... playing Dark Forces 1 with a huge VR head set? That game used sprites ffs!




Ehh everything is 3D we live in a 3D world your monitor is 3D.



True 3D in GAMES peewee http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



As I said we have already got that.



No we don't peewee. Your monitor is flat, the images it displays are flat.

[Kristian Joensen]

Yes but the monitor is 3D.

[JackpotDen]

Vr headsets are old news.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=123

I cant find what i mean, but i have seen something that covers your eyes with screens, and has headphones, so VR headsets are already made.

[Needle]

Kristian Joensen said:
Yes but the monitor is 3D.


How do you know that? It could just as well be 27D.


Wait... are you trying to be funny again?


Oh.

[Kristian Joensen]

No I am not trying to be funny. I am dead serious.

[Lengis]

Kristian Joensen said:
Yes but the monitor is 3D.



What's your point? No one cares what the monitor looks like, it's just a frame to hold the image, no one cares about the actual hardware. Some displays are overheads that simply display light on a flat surface, and one day we will have holograms that can display an image in midair.

It's the IMAGE being displayed that's important, not the damn hardware displaying it.



JackpotDen said:
Vr headsets are old news.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=123

I cant find what i mean, but i have seen something that covers your eyes with screens, and has headphones, so VR headsets are already made.



Yea, I mentioned that before, but they never worked out. For one thing, they don't display 3D, they just display a flat image that appears huge since it's so close to the eyes, but it's not 3D.

Then ofcourse there's virtual boy, but that's a different story.

[IgWannA]

Needle said:

IgWannA said:
i really think VR headsets will become the biggest revolution in the way we play games. the technology just needs to catch up a little but we're really very close i think. i remember VR headsets used to be big chunky ugly looking things that cost $1500.


Welcome to 5 years ago. Remember this (http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.cfm?articleid=347) ? Yeah, those lightweight 3D glases that no one wanted.



those aren't VR glasses, they don't have screens and motion sensors so your head movements do nothing. all they do it make the image on a monitor appear more 3D than you normally see it. it's totally not the same thing.

[Nessus]

An extra immersion device could be a USB smell generator, the could combine lets say 150 diffrent smells, so you could smell coffee in the kitchen or smoke.

[kylemf88]

A friend and I have talked about this stuff. Here is our plan! Have a weird suit to sense how you move on. Have a weird moving floor that moves when you move. Next would just be the little goggles you wear to see the stuff. That would be great. Anymore realostic would just be stressful.

[MeatWagon]

VR gaming with realistic graphics would probably be mentally damaging. I bet some people would start to lose their grip on reality or they would just sit there all day playing VR everquest. I think its a bad idea.

[Geo-King]

Vexed said:

Needle said:
The real risk with perfectly realistic virtual worlds would be the fact that people would discard the real world in favor of the much more appealing virtual worlds.

You mean like what's already happening with MMORPGS? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Some people seriously go nuts for those games.



Hahahah! Good point.

I have to say I would love VR gaming. If I have to put on a helmet or the signal is beamed into my brain, whatever I don’t care. I think it’s cool! Most likely within the next 5 to 10 years we will have good VR. All I have to say is get ready for those parents groups out there that will say “it’s ruining our youth”, sound familiar?

In the 30s, 40s and 50s movies were the devil. In the 60s free thinkers (hippies) were the devil. In the 70s Dungeons and Dragons was the devil. In the 80s rock music was the devil. In the 90s video games were the devil. Still are lol. And in the 2010s VR will be the devil.

I am going to Hell and im loving it!!!!!

[Lengis]

MeatWagon said:
VR gaming with realistic graphics would probably be mentally damaging. I bet some people would start to lose their grip on reality or they would just sit there all day playing VR everquest. I think its a bad idea.



You really think game makers are not going to make VR because consumers will become addicted to their products? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Gatinater]

Virtual gaming is a bad idea. People will end up living in their computer games.

[NetNessie]

Gatinater said:
Virtual gaming is a bad idea. People will end up living in their computer games.



*cough*matrix*cough*

[Geo-King]

Gatinater said:
Virtual gaming is a bad idea. People will end up living in their computer games.



Stop being such a anti-future-ist.


NetNessie said:
*cough*matrix*cough*



LoL



When we get to the point where VR is as advance as the Matrix, that will be so amazing. Holy Shit!

Gatinater, believe it or not some time ago I also was freaked out by realistic VR. However I realized that I sounded like an old person that’s afraid of new tech. Think of it this way, do you think parents from the 60’s, 70’s or 80’s would allow their kid play DooM3. Never. It would freak them out too much because they did not grow up with it, so they don’t understand it. People usually fear the unknown.

On the other hand, I advise anyone with mental problems to stay away from VR.

[MeatWagon]

Lengis said:

MeatWagon said:
VR gaming with realistic graphics would probably be mentally damaging. I bet some people would start to lose their grip on reality or they would just sit there all day playing VR everquest. I think its a bad idea.



You really think game makers are not going to make VR because consumers will become addicted to their products? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



I never said they would or wouldnt do anything.

I just think it will ***** people up
Virtual reality has been used by psychologists to help treat people phobias, just think about how a full scale game could effect somone

http://www.health24.com/news/Mind_Psychology/1-930,31547.asp

[IgWannA]

Gatinater said:
Virtual gaming is a bad idea. People will end up living in their computer games.



is that really such a bad thing if you've having fun? i mean they'll need to work a job as well obviously to pay for their living expenses, so if you live in an imaginary world the rest of the time it can't be that bad...

[Lengis]

Other than a lack of excercise, no not really. Course there's the possibility of addiction where they don't eat or sleep just to play, but that's a problem right now anyway.


It's funny, at this rate if we live for a couple million more years (which we won't, trust me), we'll evolve bodies that simply may not even move. Everyone may just be a giant brain mass strapped into a VR thingamajig. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Logic Bomb]

IgWannA said:

Gatinater said:
Virtual gaming is a bad idea. People will end up living in their computer games.



is that really such a bad thing if you've having fun? i mean they'll need to work a job as well obviously to pay for their living expenses, so if you live in an imaginary world the rest of the time it can't be that bad...



Hell, if it's an mmorpg they could simply STAY in the world making money anyway.

- LB

[laffer]

They should remake Penthouse Paradise for VR.. that would be cool http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Shaam]

Geo-King said:
I have to say I would love VR gaming. If I have to put on a helmet or the signal is beamed into my brain, whatever I don’t care.



I would if it runs on windows.
CRASH.
BLUE SCREEN.
BUGGY.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Gatinater]

Logic Bomb said:

IgWannA said:

Gatinater said:
Virtual gaming is a bad idea. People will end up living in their computer games.



is that really such a bad thing if you've having fun? i mean they'll need to work a job as well obviously to pay for their living expenses, so if you live in an imaginary world the rest of the time it can't be that bad...



Hell, if it's an mmorpg they could simply STAY in the world making money anyway.

- LB



I guess if the person doing it doesn't have any real people that care about them in the real world then your right. he or she could shut him or her or theirselves in and play the game until they die and no one would care. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

But why play an MMPORG when a person could play a kidnap victim that is tortured with the curse of the everlasting hard on and forced to have sex with every major hot pornstar for eternity. Also every super model and other famous sexy females. Why would any straight male want to play any other virtual game?

That's what I'm affraid of. That would be the only virtual game I would play and I would never stop playing it. If it looked and felt 100% real ofcourse, if not then to hell with it. But if it was 100% authentic it would be one of the good things that is extremely bad. Like narcotics.

[Geir]

FireFly said:
We need have games jacked into our visual cortex.



yep...

the brain will be manipulated precisely, though you will need extra practice for extra limbs.

the computer will probably manipulate the body, when your in VR, maybe even delaying the signal between body and mind so that the player could feel more real in his or her world.

depends if the brain is designed to have only 4 limbs or unlimited is my question. if the brain is capable for more body parts then you will only need practice to move these parts in VR (body parts, limbs= wings, tail, leg).

a few problems would be training to use only 4 appendages once you are out of VR. me, I think I would get used to it fast, since I feel always adapted to change.

BUMP