New Catalyst 5.6 to give big boost to PC games [Archive]

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06-01-2005, 10:00 PM

New Catalyst 5.6 to give big boost to PC games

http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23594

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The game that will benefit the most is Lock on: Modern Air combat where you will be able to see an incredible fifty per cent performance increase just by installing a new 5.6 Catalyst driver.

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Ecmaster76

06-01-2005, 10:03 PM

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TerminX

06-01-2005, 10:27 PM

I'll believe it when I see it. First off, that's a very unreliable news site. Secondly, that specific news poster is notoriously bad, even by the Inquirer's standards. He's also as biased towards ATI as I am NVIDIA -- except I don't pretend to be neutral and write news stories. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

avatar_58

06-01-2005, 10:31 PM

So that would be ATI admitting that their drivers suck and they purposely slow down performance? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Ecmaster76

06-02-2005, 12:07 AM

I have been reading the Inquirer for a couple of years and they have had a pretty damn good track record. Not 100%, but for a rumor site they are uncanny. What have you found inaccurate?

As for the author of that article, I guess he does have a fairly high rate of pro ATI stories, but that may just be becasue hes the guy that talks to their ATI contacts. Sometimes I think that some of the writers are just fake names of legitimate journalists that don't want to get on some companies $#!+list.

Wamplet

06-02-2005, 12:30 AM

Excellent.

Hudson

06-02-2005, 02:27 AM

TerminX said:
I'll believe it when I see it. First off, that's a very unreliable news site. Secondly, that specific news poster is notoriously bad, even by the Inquirer's standards.

And third, ATi have a reputation for making notoriously bad drivers as well http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Jokke_r

06-02-2005, 04:07 AM

you nvidiots live in the year 2002, ATi drivers have come a long way. I'd go as far to say they are better than the nVIDIA drivers.

Crispy Critters

06-02-2005, 05:17 AM

You just went and did the dumbest thing ever...

Tedski

06-02-2005, 06:20 AM

Jokke_r said:
you nvidiots live in the year 2002, ATi drivers have come a long way. I'd go as far to say they are better than the nVIDIA drivers.

Whilst their windows drivers have no doubt improved almost immeasureably, I doubt they could be deemed 'better' than nvidias - perhaps on a par. Where Ati is undoubtedly lamentable in its driver support, is with Linux. Their drivers are/were/and will probably remain/ crap.
Also, whether you like it or not, Ati's actual customer support is pretty poor (and I'm being generous here). Nvidias is pretty good. FWIW I now own a 6800Ultra, but the previous 2 cards I had were a 9700 Pro, followed by a 9800XT - so I've relatively recent experience of both 'camps'.

Jokke_r

06-02-2005, 07:30 AM

who the hell uses customer support anyways? i have honestly not once in my entire life ever turned to customer support since they never know the answer and you can get better advice for free using the all mighty google

avatar_58

06-02-2005, 12:45 PM

Jokke_r said:
you nvidiots live in the year 2002, ATi drivers have come a long way. I'd go as far to say they are better than the nVIDIA drivers.

I use precedent and past customer experience to judge ATI. Every card I have every owned from them caused me grief. My games would always have issues and the one line that always made my blood boil was "ATI users" and under that section would be a list of errors all too familiar to me.

So what did I do? I chose nvidia when I bought this new machine and I never have any issues that are related to my card's company. There are no "For geforce 6800 users" lists on the games I play and never any problems relating as such.

Is ATI good for you today? Fine. Use one, not my PC anyway. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm just telling you my past experiences (and even the people I know) have all been bad.

DudeMiester

06-02-2005, 12:57 PM

Maybe ATI would have good drivers if they actually made any. It's a third party company that makes their drivers, which imho is very stupid.

Inanimate Carbon Rod

06-02-2005, 12:59 PM

Tedski said:
but the previous 2 cards I had were a 9700 Pro, followed by a 9800XT

That was a waste of money to upgrade to the 9800XT.

Jokke_r

06-02-2005, 01:22 PM

i'v only had 2 ATi Cards ever and i never had problems, never ever. ATi Rage 128 and my current ATi Radeon 9800 @ Pro

no problems what so ever.

Ecmaster76

06-02-2005, 01:44 PM

Yeah, I have been real happy with my 9600 pro, not to say its been perfect, but then again even nvidia cards have issues sometimes.

Oh and who said ATI doesn't write their own drivers? This is the first I have ever heard of them not making their own. In fact I am pretty sure I have read info to the contrary of that. Don't have time to get links (lab in 10 minutes).

Tedski

06-02-2005, 05:30 PM

Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Tedski said:
but the previous 2 cards I had were a 9700 Pro, followed by a 9800XT

That was a waste of money to upgrade to the 9800XT.

Actually it wasn't - as I got the vast amount of what I paid for it back through Ebay, and it was a good offer in the first place. I was able to give the 9700pro to a friend, who needed something better, and has done me enough small favours in the past. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Tedski

06-02-2005, 05:35 PM

Jokke_r said:
who the hell uses customer support anyways? i have honestly not once in my entire life ever turned to customer support since they never know the answer and you can get better advice for free using the all mighty google

Yeah - that sounds like Ati's customer support. The only thing is, if you've never used them, how do you know? Oh, hang on, I must've missed the smell of something. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Wamplet

06-02-2005, 06:59 PM

Ati's actual customer support is pretty poor (and I'm being generous here)

I disagree there. I had an old 9500 with some problem that I posted here a while back. They sent me a 9800 to replace it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

NutWrench

06-02-2005, 07:05 PM

Oh, waaah. Another nVidia vs ATI weenie-roast.

"NVIDIA HAS TEH PIXULS! SO SHADDP U POO-P-HED! NO WAY DOOD! ATI IZ TEH BOMB! U R NOT K3WL WITHOUT TEH ATI! I IZ TEH K3WL! 2 MILLION GIGAFNORDS PER S3COND! YOUR A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD!"

Wamplet

06-02-2005, 08:32 PM

Intel Integrated kicks both of their asses. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Ecmaster76

06-02-2005, 08:58 PM

Damn straight.

Intel sells more graphics than either nvidia or ATI.

Warmaster129

06-02-2005, 11:34 PM

NutWrench said:
Oh, waaah. Another nVidia vs ATI weenie-roast.

"NVIDIA HAS TEH PIXULS! SO SHADDP U POO-P-HED! NO WAY DOOD! ATI IZ TEH BOMB! U R NOT K3WL WITHOUT TEH ATI! I IZ TEH K3WL! 2 MILLION GIGAFNORDS PER S3COND! YOUR A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD!"

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

If you want to make fun of people, make sure you can distinguish between a posessive pronoun and a contraction first. Reading the things you people write where there are horrible sentences like "here is you're tea madam" makes my brain twist in knots. I know you're going to claim "But it's the INTERNET we can do that here and who cares". The people who have to repeatedly pause and go back when reading "your a silly goose" care.

Evil Angel

06-03-2005, 04:16 AM

Warmaster129 said:

NutWrench said:
Oh, waaah. Another nVidia vs ATI weenie-roast.

"NVIDIA HAS TEH PIXULS! SO SHADDP U POO-P-HED! NO WAY DOOD! ATI IZ TEH BOMB! U R NOT K3WL WITHOUT TEH ATI! I IZ TEH K3WL! 2 MILLION GIGAFNORDS PER S3COND! YOUR A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD! NO, *YOUR* A POOPYHEAD!"

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

If you want to make fun of people, make sure you can distinguish between a posessive pronoun and a contraction first. Reading the things you people write where there are horrible sentences like "here is you're tea madam" makes my brain twist in knots. I know you're going to claim "But it's the INTERNET we can do that here and who cares". The people who have to repeatedly pause and go back when reading "your a silly goose" care.

You don't understand sarcasm do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Vroomfondel

06-03-2005, 08:55 AM

Evil Angel said:

You don't understand sarcasm do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Maybe he is from somewhere near beatleguese? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

Wamplet

06-03-2005, 10:41 AM

Evil Angel said:
You don't understand sarcasm do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

ROL! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Reaper

06-03-2005, 02:47 PM

Warmaster129 said:
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

If you want to make fun of people, make sure you can distinguish between a posessive pronoun and a contraction first. Reading the things you people write where there are horrible sentences like "here is you're tea madam" makes my brain twist in knots. I know you're going to claim "But it's the INTERNET we can do that here and who cares". The people who have to repeatedly pause and go back when reading "your a silly goose" care.

Damn straight. I can't stand it when people post things like that. Even if it is sarcasm, at least get your English right, as you're influencing the foreigners negatively which in turn makes their spelling and grammar worse.

Simon Charles

06-03-2005, 06:24 PM

you nvidiots live in the year 2002, ATi drivers have come a long way. I'd go as far to say they are better than the nVIDIA drivers.

No. ATI makes kick ass cards with shitty drivers. Nvidia makes good cards with kickass drivers. Always had problems with every ATI card I've ever owned. Never had a problem once with an Nvidia product. Install, update, ready to play.

Nvidia rules. End of story.

Geir

06-03-2005, 07:32 PM

Lock on: Modern Air combat ... hay, I have that!

Warmaster129

06-04-2005, 01:41 AM

Evil Angel said:
You don't understand sarcasm do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

You were making fun of card fanboys and parodying them, yeah I got that. But when among the easily recognizable babytalk you find something that's a word mistaken for another, you still have to stop and think "WTF" as you go back over it.

If it was intentional and part of the sarcasm, then sorry I assumed you didn't know your way around words and railed on you because people are too lazy to take the 10 seconds to learn how to tell two words apart. Even so, it didn't really fit in with the babytalk. "Pixuls" was recognizable as "pixels" because it's not really a word and close to "pixels". But "your" is actually a word and interpereted as such.

However if you really don't know the difference then please go back and take that English 101 course you failed.

EDIT: For those of you who will think "too long, don't read" and skip over this, here's a summary: If the error was intentional then sorry even though it didn't fit in with the babytalk and was still unrecognizable. If it wasn't intentional go buy a dictionary.

Hudson

06-04-2005, 01:56 AM

Evil Angel said:
You don't understand sarcasm do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Maybe not, however he can sure over-analyze the shit out of something http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

TerminX

06-04-2005, 02:15 AM

Warmaster129 said:
If the error was intentional then sorry even though it didn't fit in with the babytalk and was still unrecognizable. If it wasn't intentional go buy a dictionary.

I think it fit in with the "babytalk" just fine. I see idiots confusing "your" and "you're" on the Internet on a daily basis -- it fits because he was, indeed, making fun of idiots on the Internet.

Geir

06-04-2005, 06:01 AM

Hudson said:
ATi have a reputation for making notoriously bad drivers as well http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

and they did:

with radeon 9200SE chips (I currently have a visiontek Xtasy) and these drivers, the scrolling for this page gets really choppy.

Evil Angel

06-04-2005, 08:08 AM

Warmaster129 said:

Evil Angel said:
You don't understand sarcasm do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

You were making fun of card fanboys and parodying them, yeah I got that. But when among the easily recognizable babytalk you find something that's a word mistaken for another, you still have to stop and think "WTF" as you go back over it.

If it was intentional and part of the sarcasm, then sorry I assumed you didn't know your way around words and railed on you because people are too lazy to take the 10 seconds to learn how to tell two words apart. Even so, it didn't really fit in with the babytalk. "Pixuls" was recognizable as "pixels" because it's not really a word and close to "pixels". But "your" is actually a word and interpereted as such.

However if you really don't know the difference then please go back and take that English 101 course you failed.

EDIT: For those of you who will think "too long, don't read" and skip over this, here's a summary: If the error was intentional then sorry even though it didn't fit in with the babytalk and was still unrecognizable. If it wasn't intentional go buy a dictionary.

Hmmm. You begun your comment by quoting me and then using the word you. Don't you mean Nutwrench? I was the one who made the sarcasm comment but I did not make the original comment with which you took offence.

Criticising someone for their accuracy and then going on to direct an entire post at the wrong person is a tad ironic don't you think?

I'm laughing at least anyway. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

NutWrench

06-04-2005, 10:55 AM

If you knew it was sarcasm, then you would have realized the the "leet" speak was a humorous poke at the legions of fanboys who try to argue about technical concepts they couldn't possibly understand when they don't even have a simple mastery of basic english spelling and grammar.

The whole point of the joke is that it IS full of spelling and grammar mistakes. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ecmaster76

06-04-2005, 11:21 AM

I have a friend with a Geforce4 TI that does the same thing to this day (with newer drivers too). I think a lot of things can actually be caused by poor board quality, so it does make a difference which vendor you choose as well as which chip their cards use.

Dukefan

06-04-2005, 03:25 PM

Warmaster129 said:
EDIT: For those of you who will think "too long, don't read" and skip over this, here's a summary: If the error was intentional then sorry even though it didn't fit in with the babytalk and was still unrecognizable. If it wasn't intentional go buy a dictionary.

Where are these mythical people you speak of who use retarded leet-speak (babyspeak, as you call it) but who also follow basic grammar and spelling? That's basically a contradiction, because making stupid grammar mistakes is a noticably common part of leet-speak. I've never met anyone who uses leet-speak but still cares that he gets "you're" and "your" right. Chances are, if he's dumb enough to type with leet-speak, he's dumb enough to get basic grammar wrong as well.

Warmaster129

06-04-2005, 05:51 PM

TerminX said:

Warmaster129 said:
If the error was intentional then sorry even though it didn't fit in with the babytalk and was still unrecognizable. If it wasn't intentional go buy a dictionary.

I think it fit in with the "babytalk" just fine. I see idiots confusing "your" and "you're" on the Internet on a daily basis -- it fits because he was, indeed, making fun of idiots on the Internet.

Well my point is that nobody actually types in babytalk, and he was more characterizing them as babies arguing than people who type badly. I realize I was really over-reacting so let's stop arguing over something this trivial.

Drazula

06-04-2005, 06:57 PM

I own both NVidia and ATI cards. Never had a problem with either one. I think the competition is great for gamers, as long as no one wins. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

BOT, so where are these 5.6 drivers?

Evil Angel

06-04-2005, 10:24 PM

Drazula said:
I own both NVidia and ATI cards. Never had a problem with either one. I think the competition is great for gamers, as long as no one wins. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

BOT, so where are these 5.6 drivers?

I don't think they are released until the 7th of June.

Mister_Lynyrd

06-04-2005, 10:41 PM

Drazula said:
I own both NVidia and ATI cards. Never had a problem with either one. I think the competition is great for gamers, as long as no one wins. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

BOT, so where are these 5.6 drivers?

Same here Draz... I have both in my little LAN, 6600 pci-e and my old Raddy 9700 pro in my son's computer. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but no big problems either way.

Orochi Avlis

06-06-2005, 09:14 AM

Before I moved, I had a GF 4 Ti 4200 128MB.

Now I have a ATi x700 256 MB PCI-e, haven't had any problems so far.
HL 2, Doom 3, Far Cry and other games run great.

Sir Lemonhead

06-06-2005, 03:52 PM

This is my first ATI card. Before i'd owned a TNT and a Geforce 2.

No problems with any of them other than the TNT, which didn't seem to work without crashing using the stock cooling method (plain old heatsink) But that'd be a design flaw on Diamond Multimedias part (aahh Diamond...) I had to buy a 486 cpu heatsink fan and screw it on.

Not a single problem on the ATI so far, in the year and a half i've had it. It's second hand too.

Misel

06-06-2005, 06:27 PM

DudeMiester said:
Maybe ATI would have good drivers if they actually made any. It's a third party company that makes their drivers, which imho is very stupid.

umm would you please back that up with links?

Ecmaster76

06-09-2005, 09:18 AM

Well, the Inquirer was right.

New 5.6 (https://support.ati.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=894&task=knowledge&folderID=27) Catalyst is out and ATI is claiming performance increases in Doom3, Riddick, and Halo. Also improvements in their CCC, as well as WMV acceleration.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif 10 megabytes/s download http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gifATI http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

Airtraffic

06-24-2005, 12:12 PM

Has anyone tested these drivers yet?

Orochi Avlis

06-24-2005, 12:50 PM

I'm waiting for the Omega version first.

Jeff

06-24-2005, 02:05 PM

Had tried them out on my X800 Pro. No problems yet. Quite pleased with them.

Ecmaster76

06-24-2005, 04:50 PM

Yeah, I haven't benchmarked or anything. However the CCC is faster and everything is stable enough.

Airtraffic

06-24-2005, 09:07 PM

I just tried them on 3dmark05...about 200 more marks..whoa!

I should point out that the last time i benched this PC it was new and now it's bloated with a sh!t load of programs so i would say it's a major improvement.

I'll see how HL2 runs.

Wamplet

06-27-2005, 09:33 AM

Airtraffic said:
Has anyone tested these drivers yet?

Yeah, I tried them a while back. Reverted back to the ones from April, because for the second time, the new drivers didn't have DX stuff enabled and I was too lazy to go in the control panel to find out what all needed to be turned back on. Plus I was hosting a game server, so I had no time to fix it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

The result was windows' desktop animation was slow as crap and it was quicker for me to just reinstall the old drivers to get going.

Jokke_r

06-27-2005, 12:29 PM

dumbo, windows desktop animations are always slow as hell after the first boot with new ATi Drivers, after a reboot they are fast again for some strange reason

Ecmaster76

06-27-2005, 12:43 PM

I think its 'cause the ATI drivers redetect a lot of stuff on the first loading (AGP settings and the like). After the second reboot it doesn't do this and thus it doesn't clog up your system.

Nexus_sa

06-27-2005, 02:38 PM

I still have to turn off the AA and AF settings if I want to run a java windows app. I noticed it was a bug in the 4.x drivers but apparently it's either back or was never fixed (never noticed cause I've only just started using AA and AF).

It's annoying but at least there's a work around. Took a little while to find though.

Nex

Jokke_r

06-27-2005, 03:43 PM

i have no such problem?, although i don't think i'v ran many Java apps cept azureus and i have AF enabled at all times and AA most of the times and i have no pwoblems, have you updated your Java applet?

Nexus_sa

06-27-2005, 03:50 PM

Yep, running the latest Java version (only one installed after a fresh rebuild).

Weird, but I've noticed it on all Java popup's etc.

I have the X850 XT running 5.6

Nex

Oasiz

06-27-2005, 04:04 PM

5.6 is really strange, My fathers computer seemed to hate them. Almost every hour the VPU pops in GTA : SA and resets the graphics processor. Sometimes it halts the whole system and when reseted it makes error beeps and restarts and looped until you took the cord away for a while. Might be a error with the card or something else. Just got freaked out because it was only few months old and he gets easily freaked out in almost slight errors. (afraid of viruses http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif )
Funny thing is that there wasnt any big boosts, at least i didnt see any major boosts, Again i might just be the card model (X600 256mb). Well got to give these a second chance on my 9700pro http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Jeff

06-27-2005, 09:10 PM

Come to think of it, these drivers crashed Savage once again. Must be ATI type drivers in general. Even the Omega ones as well as the beta ones crapped out Savage. I'd bet that even the 5.7 drivers wouldn't fix my screen from going all wiggy (flat triangles, versus actual rendered polygons). Re-installing the broken driver seems to fix it, or trying another one, but even those crap out. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

/looks to nVidia for his next card.