I wanna do an experiment

[sangluss]

If you think this is, this is NOT about wad2map!

I think 'somebody' here is making maps for Doom ,right? If you have one-mail it to-cedric.haegeman@wol.be

Al I wanna do is launch this with duke3d. Maybe it works! images/icons/grin.gif

[Carger2000]

Simply rename it? LoL..

I can sent you one, but its not mine.

[alejandro]

Originally posted by sangluss:
Al I wanna do is launch this with duke3d. Maybe it works! images/icons/grin.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">wtf...? and I wanna load photos into the Notepad!

[sangluss]

Huh great...And also, what should it help with remainig it? It stays Duke Nukem 3D. graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Ratty]

It actualy might work to load a Doom map in Duke 3d!
I loaded a Duke 3d map in Shadow warrior, and that worked fine, only the textures and sprite were screwed coz these games got different art! images/icons/grin.gif

[Zilla]

I don´t think that it would work if you wanted to load a doom-wad into the build editor. The engines are quite similar in their techniques but different in their structure. The only reason why you succeeded in loading a Duke3d map into ShadoWarrior Build is that Shadow Warrior is based on Duke3d- it´s only an engine improvement and - more or less - downward compatible. images/icons/cool.gif

[ 04-23-2002, 05:53 AM: Message edited by: Zilla ]

[Ratty]

Oh...

Are Doom maps also using the *.map format?

[Zilla]

Ohh, can´t remember now... wasn´t it .WAD?
But a file ending is actually saying nothing about the file´s function. Trying to open a doom map with Build is nearly the same thing as patching Shadow Warrior with EDuke graemlins/hhg.gif

[sangluss]

Fine, question answered, topic closed (don't close it) images/icons/frown.gif

[cyborg]

Duke3D and Doom's engines don't even work in the same way - let alone have an even vaugely similar map format.

I've yet to see any sophisticated between game converter that takes into account different ways the games use triggers and doors etc... It's not as easy as you expect it to be.

[Bruce Hamilton]

Originally posted by cyborg:
... It's not as easy as you expect it to be.<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Even the ones that convert build to build leave a lot of editing work for you.

[ 05-09-2002, 08:21 AM: Message edited by: Bruce Hamilton ]

[sangluss]

Originally posted by Zilla:
Ohh, can´t remember now... wasn´t it .WAD?
But a file ending is actually saying nothing about the file´s function. Trying to open a doom map with Build is nearly the same thing as patching Shadow Warrior with EDuke graemlins/hhg.gif <font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Yeah, it was Wad! heh, rename a Doom map like this: map.wad
map.map

Should it work in Duke?

[alejandro]

umm... yes... wait! i'm gonna render a 3d studio file in notepad, maybe it works! images/icons/tongue.gif

[sangluss]

Wow! So, if I take a User Map, copy it to DooM and rename it (for example) bopsp1.wad, you think it should work? Alejandro?

[martyd]

Wow! So, if I take a User Map, copy it to DooM and rename it (for example) bopsp1.wad, you think it should work? Alejandro?
<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">What Alejandro's trying to say in his wit is that the structure of the files are different, maybe so different that you might crash your machine trying this little experiment, maybe even worse. I had some maps (yeah, that's what they were supposed to be, maps), for Duke (yeah, Duke!) I got off the web or off a disk or something and they crashed the game. I'm glad that they didn't screw-up my system. The best thing is to remap what you're hankerin' so bad to play. If there's a good converter out there try it. But don't just think that changing the extention of a file changes the file. Sometimes there's just no way around doing the work images/icons/frown.gif

On last note, I won't claim to be any kind of an expert here, but I have been known to play around with the system (I like to customize things graemlins/dopefish.gif ) and have broken my system plenty of times (NOT FUN!) Save yerself the pain some of us have gone through images/icons/wink.gif

[Eduard]

Ya wanna do an experiment huh? well, I Don't! because I already did it, and ya know, It doesn't work images/icons/frown.gif
Anyway, if ya want to edit Doom, you'll need their engine, becuase they had their own sort of Build, but not the Duke-build. (just like Blood has their own level editor only they give it with the cd when ya buy it!)

Bye,
Eduard

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[sangluss]

Wel think you guys are right...o yeah eduard, the blood-build is the duke-bUild...also by Kennie Goldwomen (i mean Silverman)

[martyd]

Hummm...Eduard, very interesting...

[The_Shadow]

Since none of the other explanations seem to have worked properly, let's try a different approach.

Though Duke's engine (Build) And Doom's engine (Doom Engine) may look similar in what they output to the screen, the way maps are loaded is completely different.
Every file needs a structure, and though they do similar things, the structure is very different. For instance where build might expect information for a wall, if it looked in a doom map it may find information for a floor.
It's a little more complex than that, but that's a very basic Gist.

And to go with Alejandro's comparison, I'll offer one that's a little more real life.

If you skin a human and a lizard, put the human skin on the lizard, is the lizard now human?

- Shadow.

[Bruce Hamilton]

Originally posted by The_Shadow:
If you skin a human and a lizard, put the human skin on the lizard, is the lizard now human?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Remember the tv series "V" several years ago? images/icons/smile.gif

[sangluss]

Well, Shadow...His outside body is...but not the inside images/icons/smile.gif . But you probably mean this:

If you get the build engine and the doom engine, copy the doom thingey to duke , is the doom engine now build?

Or something like that images/icons/grin.gif graemlins/doh.gif

[The_Shadow]

Remember the tv series "V" several years ago?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Umm, no. Did it show in Oz?

Well, Shadow...His outside body is...but not the inside. But you probably mean this:

If you get the build engine and the doom engine, copy the doom thingey to duke , is the doom engine now build?<font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Well, you see, you missed the point of the comparison. I was looking for something unrelated that would be easier to say and easier to understand.

Also note: If you rename build to Doom's map editor, it looks like build on the outside (The filename) but doesn't resemble it at all, in action.

[sangluss]

O...I see now...well then nevermind that experiment images/icons/smile.gif .

[Guest]

V!!!!!

Aliens that loved 2 eat hamsters! Yeah!

They really weren't our friends... they were.. were... PURE EVIL! images/icons/shocked.gif

V! graemlins/dopefish.gif

[No. 1 fan]

Anyone still here?

[Zilla]

No, we're gone. dead and gone.

[sangluss]

jesus christ images/icons/shocked.gif I'm raised from death!

[martyd]

What a weird frikin' feeling, eh? graemlins/dopefish.gif