Geforce xxxx GT. What does the GT stand for?

[Kev_Boy]

I've been wondering for a while what Nvidia actually thinks the GT stands for. Another one i'm wondering about is the GTS from the Geforce 2 cards.

If anyone can tell me, you get a virtual cookie! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[avatar_58]

In racing it means "Grand Tour" which I guess for this video card is meaning....speed? Odd name really...

[Nessus]

Anyone who follows the naming conventions for graphics cards knows they are a disaster. Its impossible to tell from the name wether youre getting the best card or not. I always get the feeling they are trying to trick the uninformed.

[TerminX]

Kev_Boy said:
I've been wondering for a while what Nvidia actually thinks the GT stands for. Another one i'm wondering about is the GTS from the Geforce 2 cards.

If anyone can tell me, you get a virtual cookie! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


The "GTS" stood for GigaTexel Shader/Shading. I imagine that the "GT" tacked onto the newer cards was chosen because a) it sounds both good and familiar and b) it sounds absolutely nothing like "FX".

[Joonas]

Nessus said:
Its impossible to tell from the name wether youre getting the best card or not.



False.


I always get the feeling they are trying to trick the uninformed.




True.


http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[LeadBullet]

Nessus said:
I always get the feeling they are trying to trick the uninformed.



Thats the whole point. You have FX, GT and all that crap, and then you have something that is the very same name as the good cards, and it says "MX". That tells the buyer absolutely nothing, so they'll go by the other part, "GeForce 4xxx/5xxx/6xxx" and think its comparable to that card when its actually recycled pocket calculators from 1988.

[DudeMiester]

LeadBullet said:

Nessus said:
I always get the feeling they are trying to trick the uninformed.



Thats the whole point. You have FX, GT and all that crap, and then you have something that is the very same name as the good cards, and it says "MX". That tells the buyer absolutely nothing, so they'll go by the other part, "GeForce 4xxx/5xxx/6xxx" and think its comparable to that card when its actually recycled pocket calculators from 1988.



True, but Nvidia is FAR better then ATI in that regard. ATI's naming scheme is nothing short of dispicable.

[Jeff]

The GT is like the Pro version for ATI, I think. The XT PE would be like nVidia's Ultra chip. The 6800 (next one down from GT) for example would be like an X800 SE (or maybe the plain X800). Now I'm confused.

The way it should work is like this:

SE/non-GT: Low End.
GT/Pro: Mid range.
XT/XT PE/Ultra: High end.

Now that's simplifing it a bit. If they put low, medium, and high, on the box, or specs page.

Pesky numbering schemes.

[TerminX]

jeffbthomson said:
The GT is like the Pro version for ATI, I think. The XT PE would be like nVidia's Ultra chip. The 6800 (next one down from GT) for example would be like an X800 SE (or maybe the plain X800). Now I'm confused.

The way it should work is like this:

SE/non-GT: Low End.
GT/Pro: Mid range.
XT/XT PE/Ultra: High end.

Now that's simplifing it a bit. If they put low, medium, and high, on the box, or specs page.

Pesky numbering schemes.


Everything 6800: high end
Everything 6600: mid range
Everything 6200: low end

Ultra > GT > neither label

Sure makes a lot more sense than X800 SE, X800 Pro, X800 XT, X800 XT PE, et cetera.

[Jeff]

Some of these companies forgot the rule to keep it simple, because it scares some computer illiterate people off. Or those who haven't had enough experience with them. I personally know that a 6200/X300 is low end; 6600/X600 is mid range; and 6800/X800 is high end. When they start adding stuff like no-labels/GT/Pro/XT/XT PE/SE/Ultra into the mix, then it gets confusing. Don't want to confuse the majority of computer users.

[avatar_58]

I still don't know ATI's naming scheme. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif You almost have to judge their cards off of price alone.

Why don't both companies just give them numerical names?

Nvidia 1,2,3,4,5
ATI 1,2,3,4,5

Or maybe use the dates when they were released?

Geforce 2005!

[Kevin Wolff]

Or maybe use the dates when they were released?

Geforce 2005!


No.

I hated when software started doing this...don't give hardware people any ideas. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[avatar_58]

You have to at least agree it would be easier? I think things were alot simpler in the old days, the higher the mhz and the *86 the better. Then along came mr pentium....

[FireFly]

avatar_58 said:
I still don't know ATI's naming scheme.


XT PE>XT>XL>Pro.

[Kev_Boy]

The evil about the XT suffix is that ATI uses it for their fastest cards and Nvidia uses it for their slowest cards.

I think Nvidia came last, so they're to blame for this one. However, it's good they don't do it nomore (Just Ultra, GT or nothing and maybe some Extreme Edition here and there)

Oh, and thanks already for the GTS, I thought it was related but it doesn't seem like it. Half a cookie already proudly deserved: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v252/Kev_Boy/Cookie_Lefthalf.jpg

I also did a search on Dictionary.com for "GT" and it gave me: Huge, bigger in size than the rest, etc...

[Kevin Wolff]

avatar_58 said:
You have to at least agree it would be easier?


Yes, but more evil (for hardware anyways). For software, it's evil and pointless.


I think things were alot simpler in the old days, the higher the mhz and the *86 the better. Then along came mr pentium....


Heh, and you know why they did that? Intel wanted to trademark the "486" processor to bully AMD, but they couldn't do it because it's just a number. Hence, the Pentium (aka 586). http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Nessus]

When the "pro" version of your card is the cheap one , there's a problem. It's the same ***** marketing speak that has made a large coke the smallest size. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[Night Hacker]

avatar_58 said:
I still don't know ATI's naming scheme. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif You almost have to judge their cards off of price alone.

Why don't both companies just give them numerical names?

Nvidia 1,2,3,4,5
ATI 1,2,3,4,5

Or maybe use the dates when they were released?

Geforce 2005!




Actually, nVidia does name their cards numerically. They're currently on the 6th version of their cards, so it's the 6xxx. The higher the number, the better the card, 6200, 6600 and 6800. And for the high end users there's a few choices as well. The cards with MX on them are no good for 3D. If you read about them on nVidia's site they don't talk a whole lot about 3D abilities when describing them.

Anyhow, nVidia's numbering scheme makes sense to me. 1, 2, 3, 4xxx, 5xxx, 6xxx... (well, I don't think there was a GeForce 1, simply a GeForce but...)

If you had something like GeForce 2005, you would still need something to indicate low, medium and high end cards and varients in each category. Using a year followed by more numbers and letters would be more cluttered.

[avatar_58]

/\ Yes, nvidia is much easier to know then ATI. When I was looking up new cards to buy for this machine I had no clue which ATI was "the best" but it was clear to me which Geforce was, however the Ultra and GT status had me thinking until I glanced at price differences and specs.

As for being evil....? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I don't understand why people call everything evil. Sheesh....you need watch out for those rodeo clowns outside you house, now those guys are evil.

[Joonas]

Night Hacker said:
(well, I don't think there was a GeForce 1, simply a GeForce but...)



GeForce 256 DDR http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

(still have it)

[Wamplet]

Gold Transistors. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Laplacian]

Joonas said:

Night Hacker said:
(well, I don't think there was a GeForce 1, simply a GeForce but...)



GeForce 256 DDR http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

(still have it)



Ha, I can beat that. I still have a TNT2 Pro (working). Put it in my parents rig, though (to replace a Rage Pro). Anyone remember what TNT stood for?

[avatar_58]

I had a ati rage 128 that was in my old P3. One of the worst video card experiences I ever had.

[TerminX]

Laplacian said:
Anyone remember what TNT stood for?


Twin Texel. Having two rendering pipes back then was big shit. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Night Hacker]

avatar_58 said:
I had a ati rage 128 that was in my old P3. One of the worst video card experiences I ever had.



You mean you got it to work? Heh... my brother made the mistake of buying one because it was so cheap for a system he was making for someone and I couldn't even get the thing to work properly. It was real crap. We ended up tossing it and I recommended an FX5200 for a cheap system (only $50 CDN here).

I can't believe the new cards are coming out so soon though. They JUST came out with the 6xxx series, are they nuts? I'm running EVERYTHING at max with my 6800 and it is all silky smooth.

[Kevin Wolff]

Laplacian said:

Joonas said:

Night Hacker said:
(well, I don't think there was a GeForce 1, simply a GeForce but...)



GeForce 256 DDR http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

(still have it)



Ha, I can beat that. I still have a TNT2 Pro (working). Put it in my parents rig, though (to replace a Rage Pro). Anyone remember what TNT stood for?


And I can beat that. I have an S3 Virge (the oldest one), with 2MB RAM, in my Pentium 1 machine. Works like a charm,unless you do something related to video. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Night Hacker]

Oh yeah, well I have an Amiga computer. The built in video on it (which had it's own GPU) has hardware fills, so I guess it could count as hardware accelerated to a small degree, and that was back in 1984. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Spyd]

Night Hacker said:
Oh yeah, well I have an Amiga computer. The built in video on it (which had it's own GPU) has hardware fills, so I guess it could count as hardware accelerated to a small degree, and that was back in 1984. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



I can beat that.

I have a HGC (Hercules Graphics Card), with an astounding 32Kb of memory, gives you fantastic 720x348 resolution in eye-popping 2 colors!!!; and its a full length 8bit ISA card. (And I can't remember if this card came with a LPT (printer) port or not).

[Descent]

GT - Higher memory and clock settings in MHZ?

Ultra - Same as above

Golden Sample - Integrated memory, tested and is safe for overclocking (GeForce 6800 GT *Golden Sample* in this case)

FX - In the old days, GeForce 5950 FX was a great card (because of the FX, tho I have no idea what it stands for)

MX - GeForce 440 MX, MX means that the card is integrated, or FASTER.

LE - This means that the card is actually slowed down a bit, which makes these cards much cheaper.

Hope this solved it :P

[TerminX]

Descent said:
GT - Higher memory and clock settings in MHZ?

Ultra - Same as above

Golden Sample - Integrated memory, tested and is safe for overclocking (GeForce 6800 GT *Golden Sample* in this case)

FX - In the old days, GeForce 5950 FX was a great card (because of the FX, tho I have no idea what it stands for)

MX - GeForce 440 MX, MX means that the card is integrated, or FASTER.

LE - This means that the card is actually slowed down a bit, which makes these cards much cheaper.

Hope this solved it :P


Remember what I said about talking out of your ass in that other thread? It applies one thousandfold here. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Almost everything in your post is entirely wrong -- in fact, the only thing that's actually right is your definition of LE.

[Descent]

TerminX said:

Descent said:
GT - Higher memory and clock settings in MHZ?

Ultra - Same as above

Golden Sample - Integrated memory, tested and is safe for overclocking (GeForce 6800 GT *Golden Sample* in this case)

FX - In the old days, GeForce 5950 FX was a great card (because of the FX, tho I have no idea what it stands for)

MX - GeForce 440 MX, MX means that the card is integrated, or FASTER.

LE - This means that the card is actually slowed down a bit, which makes these cards much cheaper.

Hope this solved it :P


Remember what I said about talking out of your ass in that other thread? It applies one thousandfold here. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Almost everything in your post is entirely wrong -- in fact, the only thing that's actually right is your definition of LE.



Then explain what everything means instead?

Thinking I have an 6800 GT, and Ultra I surely must see the performance difference.

[TerminX]

Descent said:

TerminX said:

Descent said:
GT - Higher memory and clock settings in MHZ?

Ultra - Same as above

Golden Sample - Integrated memory, tested and is safe for overclocking (GeForce 6800 GT *Golden Sample* in this case)

FX - In the old days, GeForce 5950 FX was a great card (because of the FX, tho I have no idea what it stands for)

MX - GeForce 440 MX, MX means that the card is integrated, or FASTER.

LE - This means that the card is actually slowed down a bit, which makes these cards much cheaper.

Hope this solved it :P


Remember what I said about talking out of your ass in that other thread? It applies one thousandfold here. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Almost everything in your post is entirely wrong -- in fact, the only thing that's actually right is your definition of LE.



Then explain what everything means instead?

Thinking I have an 6800 GT, and Ultra I surely must see the performance difference.


The 6800 GT has 16 pipelines as well as GDDR3 versus the 12 pipe, standard DDR 6800. The Ultra has faster clock speeds over the GT on both the core and memory, but slower memory timings. "Golden Sample" has nothing to do with "integrated memory" (where the hell did you come up with that, anyway?) but is merely a name given by one specific company (Gainward) to specific cards expected to overclock well.

As for MX (here you go with more of your made up "integrated memory" crap)... for all intents and purposes, MX means "slow." It is the bottom rung of the ladder. The GeForce 4 MX was actually a GeForce 2. The GeForce 2 MX was actually something an engineer found in a gutter(kidding, of course, but it really was that bad). Finally, on to FX.. FX was just the name of the product line, "GeForce FX."

[avatar_58]

Off topic, but does anyone know what the XP in Windows XP stands for?

Apparently it means eXperience..... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Joonas]

avatar_58 said:
Off topic, but does anyone know what the XP in Windows XP stands for?

Apparently it means eXperience..... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



XP = eXPerienced
ME = Millennium Edition
NT = New Technology

[DudeMiester]

Descent said:
GT - Higher memory and clock settings in MHZ?
Ultra - Same as above
Golden Sample - Integrated memory, tested and is safe for overclocking (GeForce 6800 GT *Golden Sample* in this case)
FX - In the old days, GeForce 5950 FX was a great card (because of the FX, tho I have no idea what it stands for)
MX - GeForce 440 MX, MX means that the card is integrated, or FASTER.
LE - This means that the card is actually slowed down a bit, which makes these cards much cheaper.

Hope this solved it :P



I couldn't make a set of definitions that hilariously wrong even if I tried... Well maybe I could, but that's not the point. The point is I loled.

[Descent]

DudeMiester said:

Descent said:
GT - Higher memory and clock settings in MHZ?
Ultra - Same as above
Golden Sample - Integrated memory, tested and is safe for overclocking (GeForce 6800 GT *Golden Sample* in this case)
FX - In the old days, GeForce 5950 FX was a great card (because of the FX, tho I have no idea what it stands for)
MX - GeForce 440 MX, MX means that the card is integrated, or FASTER.
LE - This means that the card is actually slowed down a bit, which makes these cards much cheaper.

Hope this solved it :P



I couldn't make a set of definitions that hilariously wrong even if I tried... Well maybe I could, but that's not the point. The point is I loled.



Haha, well, this is solved now I hope.

[Kev_Boy]

Here I come walsing in to ruin the day... but that wasn't my question.

I wondered what the GT actually stands for, now how fast those cards are or how much money they cost.

I did get some plausible feedback already though http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
It might simply mean great.