A little annoyed.. but...

[Sephiroth]

OKay I am a very open minded person, so I gave WIndows another chance to redeem itself, but these are my issues with the whole Windows experience.

First issue:
Installed XP applyed the patch for XP2 then installed my network drivers, setup my antivirus, setup O&O defrag and out of the blue my antivirus deletes a dll that belongs to O&O defrag without asking it just notifys you that it's deleted, now the dll was not infected because I came off the retail cd, my Panda Titanium 2005 has been deleteing other files and even if I reinstalled those applocations it just redeletes the files. Why is it when I find a light weight antivirus scanner it manages to mess up? it's either own a bloated computer or get a virus infected peice.

Second issue:
giFT doesn't work properly even after I apply the tcp/ip patch to up the max connection limit to 50, so in order to have p2p to work properly you need 50 P2p programs all installed.

And people say Linux is limited? Well from wasting all of today I see it a differnt way now, Linux is certanly not limited, its more like the other way around Windows is the limited one. Sure my Windows games don't work, but everything else does. Atleast when Linux was installed it actully did what it was supost to.

[GodBlitZor]

umm... well, I dont trust Pandasoft. I dunno, maybe get rid of panda and use AVG and Avast! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[NetNessie]

"Windows aint perfect"

[Wamplet]

What part of windows was causing the problem again? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[avatar_58]

Sephiroth said:
OKay I am a very open minded person, so I gave WIndows another chance to redeem itself, but these are my issues with the whole Windows experience.




Hahaha....tis not the words I would use to describe thee...



Sephiroth said:
First issue:
Installed XP applyed the patch for XP2 then installed my network drivers, setup my antivirus, setup O&O defrag and out of the blue my antivirus deletes a dll that belongs to O&O defrag without asking it just notifys you that it's deleted, now the dll was not infected because I came off the retail cd, my Panda Titanium 2005 has been deleteing other files and even if I reinstalled those applocations it just redeletes the files. Why is it when I find a light weight antivirus scanner it manages to mess up? it's either own a bloated computer or get a virus infected peice.

Second issue:
giFT doesn't work properly even after I apply the tcp/ip patch to up the max connection limit to 50, so in order to have p2p to work properly you need 50 P2p programs all installed.

And people say Linux is limited? Well from wasting all of today I see it a differnt way now, Linux is certanly not limited, its more like the other way around Windows is the limited one. Sure my Windows games don't work, but everything else does. Atleast when Linux was installed it actully did what it was supost to.



Why not use Avast or AVG? Those two are both free and light weight. Also my Pc Cillin 2005 hasn't failed me yet and it very light weight.

As for 50 p2p programs, I find this an interesting comment considering much of what I do on windows with ease would require 50 programs in Linux and 50+ hours of configuration. Your just poking for the sake of poking.

[Sephiroth]

I am a very open minded person, every time M$ releases a new patch I try out windows hoping it will fix the problems I had before, and they have, well all of 1 the whole 10 connection thing, but you can patch tcpip.sys so it can handle 50 connections. My beef is not with windows it's with the retarted devs who make thrid party apps that I could probly shit out code and it would probly be better then that crap that they shovle out the door.

AVG I don't trust because I tryed to uninstall AVG 6 once and Windows told me that it's installer is 16bit and unsupported and gave me a ignore or cancel, if hit any of them and it does'nt do anything.

And Avast I dont like because of the annoyingness of that program's layout it was made by a monkey, sounds and all.

Ease eh? like what?
All I can see windows easyer for is installing crap, once you have shit installed and working properly on Linux it's solid. If I run F-prot Antivirus on my home directory it won't randomly kill some files. And giFT actully works, Kcasy for windows is a horrid peice of shit compared to the real giFT, yes giFT has a long configuration, but once it's setup it works and doesn't stop.

Without giFT I would need:
OpenNap
Kazaa
OpenFT
Aeres
Gnutella

That's 5 programs I'd rather not have, giFT solves this problem. And much of what you do? you look at the net all day and play games, I can do that with just a shell, lynx and nethack. I'm not poking anything, people are lazy simple as that, how hard can it be to make something lightweight yet powerful? oh wait this is closed source I am talking about... where time is money, so just bloat everything up and throw it out the door then come out with 50 patches.

[avatar_58]

Sephiroth said:
That's 5 programs I'd rather not have, giFT solves this problem. And much of what you do? you look at the net all day and play games, I can do that with just a shell, lynx and nethack. I'm not poking anything, people are lazy simple as that, how hard can it be to make something lightweight yet powerful? oh wait this is closed source I am talking about... where time is money, so just bloat everything up and throw it out the door then come out with 50 patches.



Correction: I like to play the games *I* want and use the programs *I* want not the ones that I'm forced to use because "there isn't a linux version"

[Sephiroth]

Sure my Windows games don't work, but everything else does



You should read more carefully http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And I also like to play games that *I* like to play, but unlike you, I will try open source games even if they are lacking and if I like them they stay on, I don't need a full retail product just to have fun.

And most of my games that are for windows only work under the win32 layer wine (WINE IS NOT A EMULATOR) so for the small percentage of games I don't care about i can use VMWARE so why should I care if they work or not nativly? I am not forced to do anything I don't want to.

I don't understand why people think open source is limited I mean it's not main stream but at the same time it's not non existant.

Mac has some fun games I bet, just because not all windows games run on everything doesnt make you limited. That would be thinking with a closed mind.

[John]

http://www.free-av.com/

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif That was hard. (PandaSoft is complete crap. If Windows is so simple and easy then it shouldnt be hard to learn what to use and what not to use. www.google.com (http://www.google.com) works wonders.)

[Kevin Wolff]

Sephiroth said:

Sure my Windows games don't work, but everything else does



You should read more carefully http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And I also like to play games that *I* like to play, but unlike you, I will try open source games even if they are lacking and if I like them they stay on, I don't need a full retail product just to have fun.

And most of my games that are for windows only work under the win32 layer wine (WINE IS NOT A EMULATOR) so for the small percentage of games I don't care about i can use VMWARE so why should I care if they work or not nativly? I am not forced to do anything I don't want to.

I don't understand why people think open source is limited I mean it's not main stream but at the same time it's not non existant.

Mac has some fun games I bet, just because not all windows games run on everything doesnt make you limited. That would be thinking with a closed mind.


You seem to be on the right track, but you come off as whiny and misinformed after not too long. I already know your English isn't too great...I can't explain it very well.


And I also like to play games that *I* like to play, but unlike you, I will try open source games even if they are lacking and if I like them they stay on, I don't need a full retail product just to have fun.


See, he starts out okay...


And most of my games that are for windows only work under the win32 layer wine (WINE IS NOT A EMULATOR) so for the small percentage of games I don't care about i can use VMWARE so why should I care if they work or not nativly? I am not forced to do anything I don't want to.


Then a dose of "Huh?" First, not many games run under standard Wine. GTA3/VC work somehow, but most require Cedega or something else. And VMware has no 3D support.


I don't understand why people think open source is limited I mean it's not main stream but at the same time it's not non existant.


not limited =! not mainstream + not non existant. Yes, things aren't impossible, but I wouldn't call Linux a real gaming OS yet. Not that I care. I'm starting to like my old Game Boy Color again. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Mac has some fun games I bet, just because not all windows games run on everything doesnt make you limited.


Sure it does. Personally I don't like Half-Life, so I'm a tiny bit safe there http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif and the Mac platform is only a little bit better than Linux in this regard (and you have to hope the porter made the engine code fast enough on PowerPC, else Doom 3 for Mac happens (aka, retardedly slow).

[Jeff]

Ditch the anti-virus and get a real one. I use AVG Free Edition.

[Usurper]

I have Panda, and I can't recommend it to anyone. I can't have it running in the background without it preventing my web browsers from functioning properly. Have to load every other url twice to get it to come up. So it sits unused until I think I have reason to scan something. I must say I'd rather have a virus scanner that can autoprotect without borking my connection.

[Jeff]

Absolutely. AVG does all the work silently. It's got a thing that scans incoming files, and it won't ask you for permission all the time. On my system for security, I use a Linksys router (as a hardware firewall), Windows SP2 Firewall, and AVG Anti-Virus. Never have been hit once. My brother has the same thing. No problems.

[Sephiroth]

jeffbthomson said:
It's got a thing that scans incoming files, and it won't ask you for permission all the time.



Does this mean it will automactally delete any file it thinks is infected? if so then it's no better then Panda.

And Kev, sometimes you crack me up (only sometimes) yea my spelling sucks coffee!

The games I run in VMware are 2D Windows games like C&C, Diablo and anything else that uses driect draw.
I consider Cedega a fork of Wine so yes I call it Wine.

mac's I would imagine have some fun native games.
I like GBC too http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif, but I like NES and SNES more, since I own both ROM sets I don't think I have a game shortage...LOL!

[Jeff]

Not sure about that one, but you can buy Norton Anti-Virus which has auto-protect on it. It'll cost ya. Maybe someone here can recommend a good all-around free anti-virus program.

[avatar_58]

Actually I DO try open source games....I like the l-games and many other fine remakes and such that spawned from open-source....how the hell do you think I play my dosgames? Via dosbox, a piece of open source.

Your confusing open source with linux. Most of your open source apps and games also work on windows, so why would I limit myself to fewer games for no reason? I'm not sure why you linux people try to force your way on people... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'll use windows and you use nix....and we can both me happy. The end.

However wine and its many brothers have many issues....I like to play my games with minimal hassles or worries....I'd rather all my errors be on the fault of the developer....not because I decided to use cedega or winex...

[Sephiroth]

I'm not forcing anything, but the companys that get payed to code on the windows platform should all be shot! It seems there are very few companys these days that like to optmize there software and try to keep it bloat free, sure there are the odd ball feature on each product, but that doesnt justify using unnessary CPU cycles and unnessary RAM for nothing.

I rememeber the good old days of Windows, I had a Abit BH6 and a Celery 300A and windows 98 SE and there was nothing my system couldnt handel, if I where to try that with the same setup noadays I bet I would lose 50% of the speed I had, hell todays virus scanners need a PII 300mHz just to run and I still can't justify that, I mean if you really think about it and I mean really think about it there is no reason for it. I wish people would lay off the HLL's and come back to lowlevel code like assembly and C that way they need to do some work.. Unless you realy blow at assembly there would be no way to bloat an app because it would be roughly the same number of line of code, so there would be no lazyness.. but noooooo can't do that.

WHat happened to the good old i386/i486 days where things were optmized!

[DirkStarscream]

Part of the problem is that the machines became so fast that even code that was technically running inefficiently would still run fast enough so that when compared to 386 and 486 machines, the uneducated user would think 'wow, thats fast' when in fact it wasnt. This was due not only to clock speed but to the fact that with multiple pipelines, some of the garbage generaterd by the compilers could be 'absorbed'. I still have my 386 and 486 machines with their DOS operating systems, and write optimized code for them. It was so much simpler in those days.... Now we have all the power we always wanted, but those of us that use low level programming can have a difficult time using it, due to porting issues, lack of information, being restricted to drivers supplied by companies, operating system restrictions on creative code techniques, etc.

[Sephiroth]

Machines being so fast doesn't affect assembler because it is almost 1:1 with hardware, infact you can use the pipes as an advantage http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif but if people would just take there heads of there ass and sit down and use it we wouldnt have this problem.

Very true, but it's still possible to code the actual scanning engine in assemby, and whats with all this BS XML layout crap, that alone is slow, call the OS's GDI! thats why they made it, I dont get why people insiest on using the full potentual of a CPU to do something so simple, Java, VB and C++ and any other bloat language should be all shot, I am serious! There all toys in my opinion, go learn either ASM or C. I see no reason why calling a simple UI should take up valuible cycles when it can be done soo much quicker, but noooo

And the porting issue of assembler has always made me smile, i always remmeber a quote by the great linus himself

"Portablity is for people who can't program"

and if you look at it, it's true, if you coded the app in the first place then why can't you recode the app on a differnt arch?

[DirkStarscream]

Thats true, if you coded it once, you can just make changes to any system calls. My problem with it is that most of the information I can find on using the Windows and unix and linux APIs seems to be in C/C++, most of which I dont read. (unless you happen to know of a good source of information which is friendlier to assembler programmers). As a matter of fact I am concurrently with an assembler project, starting a custom program+program launcher project whereby I can assemble my own custom program for an x86 processor, and instead of learning any system calls, simply pass my request to the program launcher, which translates the request to suit the OS. Minaly for processes like setting a midi file or cd playing, allocating memory, file I/O, you know the sort of thing. Processes where the act of making the call is not in time dependent code portions. The launch program itself will also provide keyboard and mouse and certain optimized multimedia services.

[DudeMiester]

Well the thing C#/Java are somewhat useful for is rapid prototyping, but for the final product I agree it needs to be lower level. Personally I program in C++, but I make sure I have a decent idea of what's going on in hardware, and what good assembly code is, so I write effiecent code and can locate bottlenecks.

imho, this whole "optimise the algorithm, and ***** the low-level stuff" is what has created things like Java, where the low-level stuff is SOOOO slow, it cripples the algorithm no matter how well it's written.

[Kevin Wolff]

The problem with code bloat today is with OS APIs. With DOS there weren't any, so the coder was really reinventing the wheel with a lot of simple stuff - but that could make it run fast. Now you'd have to find out how to implement API calls in assembler, which isn't easy to find out (not to mention that it mixes likely C code in with asm), and those libraries probably aren't that optimized (even Windows is all C/C++ and can be ported).

The Atari 2600 had 2k/4k cartridges initially. Ok, so that included primitive graphics, but still. \o/

[Sephiroth]

Actully if and I mean if an OS company was willing and i mean wiling you could make all the API's actal functions of an OS (software interupts) Like Open GL and Driect 3D and most file I/O functions .. then just let the companys have the info on what each intrupt does and how to use it.

Kinda like DOS, but cut up the functions so they arent huge blocks of data, this way there is no bloat, like if I wanted to draw somethng on a screen, I dont want my code to update what I drew on the screen until either a conduction is met or whatever, so make functions to do just that, I mean you dont need everything to be in a function.. but just the basic crap, so you arent reenventing the wheel everytime, you are just writing your code and linking it to the OS's functions via software IRQ and address(s).. make sense to anyone?