Where have all the gamers gone?

[avatar_58]

I wanted to ask this question to not only a few people on this forum but the internet in general. What ever happened to being a gamer who anxiously awaited games just for something to play? Where did the guy who wanted another mario or sonic game just so he could have something to do for the next year or so when his relatives came over?

What I mean is why have all gamers turned into bitter, hateful, unappreciative trolls who get no joy out of games except when they tear them apart? Case in point: Doom 3 and HL2. Instead of playing these mammoth games you tear them to shreds and see how badly you can mock someone who likes the opposite game to you. Gone are the days of having your own opinion of games....now you must like the most popular and if your choice differs from someone then look out! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

What ever happened to finding little gems of games and telling people how cool they are? Now if you try that you will be nailed with "Those graphics are far worse than the unreal XXXX engine" or "Eww....a crummy console port". I mean, I remember being young and having the NES, the SNES and whenever I played games I only had one criteria "Is it fun?" if the answer was yes, then I was happy. If not, well, it wasn't a good game in my eyes. I didn't much care if they had amazing graphics...those were a bonus to me. After all, I was probably one of the few people who still played his old NES years after its death as a mainstream system http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm just tired of hearing people not giving games a chance just because they aren't perfect. Who cares! If you truly enjoy a game then you can't stare at the bumpmapping or wonder why that texture is misaligned and instead you should be firing at those imps and combine and enjoying yourself.

Not everything has to be "the best" and be in direct competition with every other game.

Ahh...see what boredom does....I've gone and written an essay for god sakes....

[someguy2435]

not really an essay, but a good read nonetheless

[Altered Reality]

What I mean is why have all gamers turned into bitter, hateful, unappreciative trolls who get no joy out of games except when they tear them apart? Case in point: Doom 3 and HL2. Instead of playing these mammoth games you tear them to shreds and see how badly you can mock someone who likes the opposite game to you. Gone are the days of having your own opinion of games....now you must like the most popular and if your choice differs from someone then look out!


It's not a recent trend at all. Don't you remember all the insane diatribes like C64 vs Spectrum, NES vs Master System, Atari ST vs Amiga, SNES vs Genesis, Gameboy vs Game Gear, Amiga vs PC, PC vs PSX?

[avatar_58]

No, I don't. During the old days of system the only thing people argued about were types of games. I was on the nintendo side only because they had my fav games, but I was known to go my cousins and play sonic etc on his genesis. The only versus things I ever knew were commercials....not between gamers.

Maybe it was the advent of the internet that started it....

[Drazula]

Nice post. Fanboyism is the disease that killed the gamer. The first reaction is always to compare the new game with "their game". Worse, if "their game" is the new game, then it must be best in every category and you cannot even question why something was done a particular way. Rather than using their eyes to see what is in front of them, they use quotes from the developers that made "their game". (A less reliable source, I am not aware of...)

I really think this all started with Quake and Duke 3D. A light-hearted competition between two friendly developers got nasty between the fans of each game. It started to slowly go down hill from there, but has picked up steam in the last couple of years.

[FireFly]

That's interesting, because you're the one in the thick of the game vs game arguments. I think it shows that it's easy to over generalise.

On forums people take sides and argue a certain case, but I'd bet that when they actually play the games concerned their attitudes are very different. I think what happens is people play a game, give it a good shot, and if it doesn't live up to their expectations it becomes something to attack. Case in point: Halo, which was originally a highly anticipated PC title but is now considered to be one of the most overrated games ever (not by me).

If it had delivered, the situation could have been very different. Look at Daikatana and the people who hate it (and Romero) with a passion. So really there's two effects - the prejudgment of a game, and the formation of opinions after playing said game. I'm not sure how strong the first effect is in relation to the second.

[John]

avatar_58 said:
No, I don't. During the old days of system the only thing people argued about were types of games.



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif No, the only difference between now and then, is that

1. technology has advanced, so theres more to argue about

2. the internet is mainstream


I remember back in 1996, VERY early internet stages. People would still argue about N64 vs PSX on the old message boards. Back when www.segasages.com (http://www.segasages.com) was around, and not bought out by IGN. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

A-f*cking-men!

Nice post there avatar_58. I completely agree, Everyone gets way to worked up when someone says they like game A better than game B.

This forum isn't as bad as a lot of places are, but sometimes it gets pretty bad. Hell I remember being called an idiot because I liked Painkiller more than HL2. Somone PM'd me that message... I have since deleted the message and gone on with my life. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But I agree... lets go back to playing games and just having fun. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

"Do you remember a time of light-hearted gaming, without personal attacks on gaming preferances? Pepperidge farms remembers." http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[John]

Hey man, I'll agree that we should be just playing the games and having discussions about them, rather than arguing about them.

BUT, this isn't restricted to just these times. This has been going on forever, as long as men have had their own thoughts and their own choices. People used to argue about Genesis vs. SNES, non-stop.

Don't forget the early 90s. Before the internet, friends would still argue over their favorite Arcade game or which home console is better.

Ofcourse I always played PC games (which, at the time, couldn't touch arcade games and SEGA games.) and my friends would make fun of me for playing old Wolf3d when they were playing a clearer version on SNES. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

It's kinda funny how arcades used to be the best graphics around. Then PSX and N64 came, and showed us that we could actually have great graphics at home. Then it seems like the arcade companies just completely STOPPED making new games, and they just refill old beach arcades with 10 year old games. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Gatinater]

I don't wait for any game. I don't check up on development or news status, even if I know it's in development. Why should I? It will be out eventually or canceled and it won't make a difference. after waiting for DNF since it was first started I can wait for anything.

Half Life 2 & Doom 3 are good games, but they're not must have games. I want to know why people can't have their own opinions on a game forum. It's always "NO! Your opinion is wrong, because my opinion is better and I like my opinion."

[Descent]

I have an answer for this.

Developers want money. They don't care what people think, just as long as they buy their games. In worst cases, they put an age limit for the game (eg 15 years).

They do better and better games, more different games, to be the first in their genre, so they can get money! money money money!

[Vexed]

How about: Games and/or gamers are getting older? We're getting jaded. Situations like "OH MY GOSH!! I'M MOVING THIS GUY AROUND AND KILLING THESE GUYS!!?" are in the past. There's rarely anything new or fresh going on anymore. So people can't help but bitch and moan and profilate their meaningless opinions since that's all there is left to do. The stone is dry, the inner child is dead; strung him/herself up with his/her own jumping rope because he/she got tired of jumping up and down over and over again. Who do they talk to when their inner child is dead? Other people who are also dead inside! However, like them, they don't care.

The only things that register on their radars are incoming attack ships; Statements that contradict their own point of view, somehow, arguably by law of association, making them feel they themselves got attacked. Of course, rather than assessing if this is just a lost fisher's boat blown off course, it's time to throw caution in the wind and fire all torpedos to annihillate every molecule of its miserable existance.

Trying to to understand someone or trying to make others understand them is a waste of time. There are still so many other games/people to gun down!

In the end it's just cheap gratification like pushing the fat kid into mud or masterbating to their mom's victoria's secret catalog/ dad's mechanic's weekly. It won't ever be enough to power the shock paddles that could reanimate their inner child. They're done, they'll never enjoy anything in their lives for more than 5 minutes ever again. Time to take the example of your inner child former gamer.

Haha! just kidding! I have no clue really. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[avatar_58]

Well all I know is that I play all sorts of games which could be considered crap but are fun as hell to me. I won't mention any of them since many might be shot down in traditional senses, but it only furthers my point.

So what am I trying to say?

When Quake 4, FEAR, SS2, Stalker and Prey all come out...I have bad feelings that these types of arguements may start up again. Instead of merely enjoying each one of those games people are going to tear into each one and compare them to each other for no reason except to make their choice of game seem better.

What am I going to do? I'm probably going to buy all of them in the long run and damnit I'm probably going to like them all (unless they are boring and suck terribly....but I doubt it)

[laffer]

Games simply aren't as good as they were http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I want my 2D adventure and platformers back! On a monitor, not a GBA screen.

I kind of agree with you, but I don't think people play games just to tear them apart. I've said quite a few bad things about HL2 and Steam even though I really loved playing it. I just think it's fun to discuss what could've been done better and what parts are already excellent.
I usually don't notice these things until my second or third playthough, so I don't agree that people play the games simply to pick them apart and complain about them. I certainly don't.

Also, I think people have the right to say so if a game is a disappointment to them, even if it's a highly rated game. It's just fun to discuss these things, threads in which people only praise a game would be horribly boring. I think things are fine the way it is (on these forums), Doom 3 vs HL2 may have gone a bit too far though. But I don't really mind.

[Paroxysm]

These attitudes have always existed and if they are more common roday I'd suggest a lack of joy in games. Somewhere along the line that became uncool.

[laffer]

We shouldn't forget that the amount of "gamers" has increased dramatically.

[Beelze]

The solution: don't care about what others think. This is actually just as easy as it sounds, unless you're easily irritated. If someone is wasting his time insulting a game you like, just shrug it off and keep playing the game.

I used to defend games in long posts, but that didn't really do any good. Why should I care if Cerberus though Ravenholm wasn't scary due to lack of enemies crashing through walls? I shouldn't. I don't.

Take a break from the forums, play the games!

[Simon Charles]

Blame that to gaming going full blown popular. Now, everybody's a critic, and publishers have to cater to everyone's tastes. More gamers mean bigger, better systems but that way, more crap gets released too. The biz has boomed and has become accessible to ma and pa as well as the hardcore gamers. Those who are overly bothered by it sound elitist to me. Yeah, you're no longer in your little world playing Doom 1 on LAN. Yeah, you now have to share shelf space with every bratty teen out there who thinks he's God gift to Halo deathmatch.

Video games have gone mainstream. Live with it.

[Beelze]

Simon Charles said:
Gaming has gone mainstream. Live with it.


And there really isn't much wrong with that. Sure, one may think that nowadays there are a lot more bad games than good ones. Still, if all were masterpieces you wouldn't have time to play them all anyway. Somewhere in the heap of all the games you're not interested in, there will be a gem or two for you. With more games being produced, chances are probably even bigger that you'll find something that caters to your tastes.

[DudeMiester]

For me, I like to analyse them to understand how they work internally. It may look that way, but tearing them is not what I intend. It's like how some take apart clocks and radios to see their internals. Reverse engineering I guess you could call it, lol.

But really I don't actually play games anymore, well very rarely. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Gatinater]

Yeah, The first person & third shooters are lame these dayz. And have been for the past seven years. The good games in the shooter genre are games like deus ex and system shock. Or Advance and secure multiplayer games.

[Kev_Boy]

The good thing about gaming going mainstream is that it increases your potential buyer audience, and that makes higher budget projects possible because of increased sales.

How much was Doom 3 for example?
Around 10$ million to make?

[dreweth]

avatar_58 said:
I wanted to ask this question to not only a few people on this forum but the internet in general. What ever happened to being a gamer who anxiously awaited games just for something to play? Where did the guy who wanted another mario or sonic game just so he could have something to do for the next year or so when his relatives came over?

What I mean is why have all gamers turned into bitter, hateful, unappreciative trolls who get no joy out of games except when they tear them apart? Case in point: Doom 3 and HL2. Instead of playing these mammoth games you tear them to shreds and see how badly you can mock someone who likes the opposite game to you. Gone are the days of having your own opinion of games....now you must like the most popular and if your choice differs from someone then look out! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

What ever happened to finding little gems of games and telling people how cool they are? Now if you try that you will be nailed with "Those graphics are far worse than the unreal XXXX engine" or "Eww....a crummy console port". I mean, I remember being young and having the NES, the SNES and whenever I played games I only had one criteria "Is it fun?" if the answer was yes, then I was happy. If not, well, it wasn't a good game in my eyes. I didn't much care if they had amazing graphics...those were a bonus to me. After all, I was probably one of the few people who still played his old NES years after its death as a mainstream system http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'm just tired of hearing people not giving games a chance just because they aren't perfect. Who cares! If you truly enjoy a game then you can't stare at the bumpmapping or wonder why that texture is misaligned and instead you should be firing at those imps and combine and enjoying yourself.

Not everything has to be "the best" and be in direct competition with every other game.

Ahh...see what boredom does....I've gone and written an essay for god sakes....



You're #1. Either full of shit
or #2 Never had a friend with the "other" console.

People have been arguing this stuff for centuries. About EVERYTHING, not just games. You're either just getting to the point where you are recognizing it, or your playing the moral high ground to defend yourself later in your next choice fanboy-flame-war.

[avatar_58]

Actually I DID have friends who were on the sega side. We never fought about any games or any of this bs. Also, I never bought games depending on their graphics or technical advances....which seems to be the overwhelming factor nowadays for why people buy games. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

Instead of enjoying games people just want to admire them and use them as bragging rights. I can't understand why....

[Beelze]

People did it in the past, too. I'm glad you missed it. I don't know if people really buy games based on graphics. Granted, I wouldn't want a game with horrible graphics, but if game has good graphics, that's just a bonus.

[John]

Gatinater said:
Yeah, The first person & third shooters are lame these dayz. And have been for the past seven years. The good games in the shooter genre are games like deus ex and system shock. Or Advance and secure multiplayer games.



They came out before 7 years ago. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



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Oh, and Avatar_58....be glad you weren't around during the N64 vs PSX days. Those were infact, THE worse conversations in gaming history. I've heard so much bullshit its not even funny.

Back in the day of 1996 and the ORIGINAL message boards (Back when IGN was user-friendly), there were soooooo many arguments going on about N64s and PSXs. I remember one guy going "Well, Nintendo is just a kiddy platform now. They used to have some pretty mature stuff on the SNES, but they have taken a dive for the younger crowd"

At the time, I told him "Pfft, you're full of it. Nintendo would never sacrifice their fanbase for the money and younger sales generation."

....Apperantly I was wrong. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif That dude ended up proving me wrong big time.

[Gatinater]

I didn't say the genre started seven years ago.

[John]

Actually you said that FPS and TPS have been lame for the past 7 years, but then you mentioned Deus Ex, which came out 5 years ago.


Sorry, I'm just nitpicking because I saw it available. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Boredom's a wonder, isnt it?

[Orochi Avlis]

John said:
....Apperantly I was wrong. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif That dude ended up proving me wrong big time.


What about Conker's Bad Fur Day?
The Resident Evil remake?
Resident Evil 0?
Resident Evil 4?
Eternal Darkness?
The Mortal Kombat series?

What's this obession about consoles being "mature"?
Who cares if Nintendo has "colorful" games? I mean gaming and consoles should be fun, and not judged based solely on how a console has "mature games".

I would have liked to have bought a Gamecube, not because of it's "mature" factor, but the fact that it has fun games.

F*ck maturity. The same people who rant on about this are the same ones who lack it, IMO.

EDIT:Fixed grammar mistakes.

[avatar_58]

Orochi Avlis said:
What's this obession about consoles being "mature"?
Who cares if Nintendo has "colorful" games? I mean gaming and consoles should be fun, and not judged based solely on how a console has "mature games".

I would have liked to buy a Gamecube, not because of it's "mature" factor, but the fact that it has fun games.




http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Good point, I always hated the way people pretend that the more mature their games, the better they are. We definately need more than just death in our games after all.

[John]

Well, maturity is actually a level I'd like to acknowledge when it comes to games. Actually, anything I'm involved it.

Now, yes. You've mentioned the wonderful games that Nintendo let slide. Rare and Capcom were Nintendo's main third party developers. Rare left for Microsoft.


Now they have ID, which is a MAJOR plus.


However, whenever I turn on a Gamecube, every game I throw in looks the exact same. Colorful, happyness, not a trouble in the world. This may be great if I finished one game all the way through, because it makes me happy. But then I go and play a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME, and it has the same look. What's wrong with this picture?

Maturity was my point, but now it's evolved into variety. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Orochi Avlis]

John said:
Rare left for Microsoft.


Nintendo sold Rare, Microsof bought them.



But then I go and play a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT GAME, and it has the same look.


Are you refering to a certain series? Like Mario Sunshine or Luigi's Mansion? Where their some kind of connection between the games?


Maturity was my point, but now it's evolved into variety. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


That's a different matter entirly.

[John]

Actually I was referring to Animal Crossing, Monkeyball (or whatever), any of the Mario games, Zelda: Wind Waker, Mario Party 6, etc.

All of them look alike to me, even if they have different gameplay areas. They still look alike.


The latest Zelda is pretty much the only game I'm interested, and that's because Zelda:OOT was my favorite Nintendo game of all time. They let me down with WW so I'm waiting for the new one.

[Gryph]

John said:
Now they have ID, which is a MAJOR plus.



They do?

Maturity in a game is not something I really spend much time caring about. If the game is fun then I could give a rats ass if it deals with happy-go-lucky kiddy themes or dark, angsty, brooding mature themes.

Lately I haven't had time to play as many games so whenever I do, I appreciate what each game offers instead of hating it for what it doesn't. Unless the game is really bad, of course and is just a waste of my time. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Descent]

Why the **** these discussions?

BUY A GAME, PLAY IT, AND REMEMBER IT. END OF STORY.
Just don't go on another forum and reply to some idiot who started "omg this game is bad because of this enemy", just don't!

[Asmodeusz]

avatar_58

First of all nice post.
Kinda nostalgic, made me think about it.

My view on the subject is that the gamers didn't quite change. They evolved. This evolution (or maybe de-evolution) was a response to the changing game market. For a idea, think of the games in the begginning of the last decade. The whole market was very different.
Firstly, in the good ol' days games were made by one person, or a small groups of talented dedicated and passionate people. Dev teams are more company wise right now. Look at EA. Some time ago gaming was partially a hobby and passion on both sides. Now, with a few exceptions, it's a hobby on one, a regular job on the other. Quite natural, when millions of dollars lay in this market. Gamers became more demanding, and companies became more agressive (think of deadlines and tons of crap involved). Besides the market is flooded. There are thousands of game companies trying to make money. When fanboyism was born, it was still a natural marketing reaction. People defend the "brand" they enjoy most. Kinda Coca-Cola / Pepsi discussion. In my opinion, companies like Valve create "things" like steam with a purpose. As you may witness at the HL2 forum, it generates incredible controversy - but at the same time it divides gamers into two segments: the haters and the fanboys. Having fanboys on your side is always good, even if there are haters. In a competitive market it is much better than a quite neutral society for your game. Now, I'm not saying Valve is satan. It's business, and far gone are the times, when you made a low budget game for fun, eventually hoping you'll make some money out of it. It's a shame, but I hope it will end at some point - maybe when only the best prevail on the battleground. Hope it doesn't lead to a microsoft situation though (EA http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif). Hopefully the companies that will survive are the ones who create games out of passion.

[Drazula]

Personally, I don't like games that treat me like a friggin idiot, hand holding me through levels.

Let me figure it out. Let me go at my own pace, and STFU. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

Have you played Deus Ex? I would have thought that would have been the perfect game for you. It really does make you feel like you're finding your own way through the levels, rather than being guided along a certain path.

What's great is Ion found a way to make the brute force method work, while still rewarding cunning and resourcefulness. If you work on your electronics and lockpicking skills you can kind of play it like a regular FPS.

[Reaper]

I found it better to max your weapon skills for a certain type. I chose rifles.

I also feel like the Deus Exes and the Bioshocks of the world are the only FPSes making any kind of difference. For real innovation, genres need to be blended (ie FPS/RTS ala Dungeon Keeper or Natural Selection) and conventions need to be broken. I also think a little more comedy would help.

This thread reminds me of that time when I said that the Manipulator from HL2 was just a gimmick, and Half-Life fans lathered me in the hate sauce.

I was right, though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[John]

FireFly said:
If you work on your electronics and lockpicking skills you can kind of play it like a regular FPS.



I always thought that it was these features (which are amazing) that differed Deus Ex from the rest of the FPS genre?

I haven't played that many regular FPS' that use lockpicking and electronics. If so, I want to play it! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

Well in a sense they're just a more sophisticated kind of key, so the mechanics are similar to regular FPS games. I was talking in terms of level navigation though - you can just make your way straight through the level, rather than having to rely on clues or other means.

[Asmodeusz]

Drazula said:
Personally, I don't like games that treat me like a friggin idiot, hand holding me through levels.

Let me figure it out. Let me go at my own pace, and STFU. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Then go and get Oblivion by the end of the year chief! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Drazula]

Thanks for the heads up! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Vexed]

Asmodeusz said:
Then go and get Oblivion by the end of the year chief! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

He doesn't like RPGs though, he doesn't even consider them games. They're too much like "work" or whatever. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Mongorian]

the internet

SERIOUS BUSINESS

[Dogy]

avatar_58 said:
I remember being young and having the NES, the SNES and whenever I played games I only had one criteria "Is it fun?" if the answer was yes, then I was happy.



Well that was being young. When maturity comes along, you tend to expect more from entertainment then "fun".

[Imfamous]

Dogy said:

Well that was being young. When maturity comes along, you tend to expect more from entertainment then "fun".



You'll start to think that too in a couple years, Dogy-style. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Dogy]

Imfamous said:


You'll start to think that too in a couple years, Dogy-style. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



I am, actually. Instead of looking for the run-of-the-mill blow em' away fest which I used to love, I've been playing more adventure games for thick storylines. I'm a sucker for cliffhangers http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Imfamous]

Dogy said:
I've been playing more adventure games for thick storylines. I'm a sucker for cliffhangers http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Like ETM? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Tang Lung]

Well, im kinda late into the thread...but I agree absolutely with what your saying.

Not only that, but it seems that with my getting older, games have become less a part of my life..and yet, remain somewhat the same. What I mean is...in my early youth, I would anticipate a game, hype it up for myself beyond belief..and when it arrived it was a HUGE thing for me. I would skip school if it was a big enough game...I would wake up at 3 in the morning just to download a demo of it.

Now however, games simply don't have that effect..and even if they do, there's an overwhelming negativness that consumes it. I don't want to hype it up incase it turns out bad..minor faults turn into annoynces for a few seconds. I rarely replay new games.

Example....If I had nothing to do..I could easily sit down and replay FFVII, Deus Ex, Duke 3D etc. No game after that era I could I replay as relaxed as those games...I think another factor in this is pre release info. By the time HL2 came out I knew most of the levels and scenarios. HL2 was a big dissapointment for me...if It would of come out back when I was 13 it would probably of been incredible IMO.

But I dunno if this is just natural..my attitude towards games..or If it's a problem with the games themselves. I guess the older you get, the harder it is for you to enjoy things http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Malgon]

I know whats happened to us all. We all become jaded as we get older. Slowly the unwrapping of the game box, the painstaking wait of the install, and then finally the intro screen when the game boots up. It all wears off. One day you start to look backwards, and search for games that will really capture you and make you desperately want to play them. You want games to challenge you, and just be good old fashioned fun. It happens to the best of us, you just begin to not believe the hype. You become another Jaded Gamer. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif