More attempts to bring down the violent videogame [Archive]

8IronBob

07-11-2005, 07:12 PM

That's about it. After all, Wal-Mart's still selling GTA3, after they said that it would be pulled off the shelves, as a matter of fact, it's now under $10. You don't think they'd sell GTA:VC or GTA:SA as well for about $40 a pop? There's something real fishy. I was even surprised to see it being sold on the shelf, and at that price. I bought GTA3, but it's still leaving me with a blank mind as to why they're even still selling that.

someguy2435

07-11-2005, 07:28 PM

Until now relativey few people knew about it. By bringing attention to it the media's just made things worse too. The lawsuits directed at Rockstar are starting to come in.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

X-Vector

07-11-2005, 07:29 PM

What does this controversy concerning the "sex mini game" in San Andreas have to with violence?

Roger

07-11-2005, 07:37 PM

You have a point, X-Vec; I guess my point was the amount of crap the media's trying to stir up about GTA. It's still a bit over-the-top how they're trying to tack on reasons to hate these games, though.

pjohnsonjr

07-11-2005, 07:46 PM

Please kids have easier access to their parent's stash than this (PC version is the one they're bent out of shape over because someone changed afew values to make it work). I just don't think no matter how bad they try to derail it, they're still gonna be there reguardless.

Phait

07-11-2005, 08:13 PM

8IronBob said:
That's about it. After all, Wal-Mart's still selling GTA3, after they said that it would be pulled off the shelves, as a matter of fact, it's now under $10. You don't think they'd sell GTA:VC or GTA:SA as well for about $40 a pop? There's something real fishy. I was even surprised to see it being sold on the shelf, and at that price. I bought GTA3, but it's still leaving me with a blank mind as to why they're even still selling that.

Probably because Wal-Mart knows GTA Is a top seller, and they wanna bank even more.

maximan

07-11-2005, 09:41 PM

Parkar said:
Well I guess any game that can be modified in any way needs to be rated adult then since someone might make a pornografic mod/hack for it that can be installed easilyhttp://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

True. Lots of games would sport the AO rating then.
(Sims, Sims 2, even Duke 3D!)

NetNessie

07-12-2005, 02:46 AM

Taken from my blog, when I wrote about something like this:

After seeing what to expect next week on 'Today Tonight', I got in a little legal dispute with my Mum over the developers responsibility for their customers actions. For example, take the kid who killed his family, destroyed his house, then blamed Grand Theft Auto, a video game. So who is responsible, the people who make the games, the people who sell the games, the parents who let the kid play the games or the kid who plays the games.

Well I decided to look at it this way;

Your 14, you've just purchased Alcohol with a fake ID. Alcohol is a dangerous substance when in the wrong hands, just as video games are censored to prevent inappropriate material being displayed to audiences unable to understand said content. Who is responsible if that kid does something dangerous and kills someone? The liquor store who sold the kid the alcohol.

Now, your 14, and your 20 year old brother buys the alcohol for you. You get drunk and cause damage and kill someone, who is responsible? The blame shifts to the 20 year old, as he is responsible for providing inappropriate substances to minors. He knew the risk of giving 'inappropriate materials' to 'inappropriate audiences', yet he did anyway. Therefore, he is responsible. At no time are the alcohol manufactures blamed, they are creating the substance, they are not deemed responsible is their products are misused.

Now lets look at it this way, your a kid, 14 years old. Your parents buy you the latest GTA game from a retailer, you play it, get addicted and hurt someone, you then blame the game. Who is responsible. You and your parents. Why? Because your parents supplied you with a violent game which has censorship, yet, your parents violated the legal notice indicating the product may be inappropriate to younger audiences and supplied you with the material. The video game is suitable and appropriate when used correctly, however by the game when below the age restriction, he or she is "misusing" the product. Therefore the developers are not responsible for misuse, just as alcohol manufacturers are not responsible if teenagers misuse their drinks.

Something I'm missing? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Kristian Joensen

07-12-2005, 03:29 AM

As far as I know, GTA was blamed in that case despite he had other reasons wich where mentioned.

Spyd

07-12-2005, 05:30 AM

Good read, Netnessie.

But I want to add something that I find ridiculous about the american society.

They classify GTA games as "M"ature, while you can kill innocent people, destroy cars and properties, and make all kinds of criminal activity.
But if the game contains the tiniest piece of explicit sex that you can imagine, then there is the needed reason to classify the game AO.

Its just ludicrous.

Parkar

07-12-2005, 06:22 AM

Thats something I have never understod, is sex realy worse then violence?

Gatinater

07-12-2005, 06:28 AM

The gaming industry is not responsible for alterations. And in my honest opinion if the kid is inteligent enough to mod software (which I don't doubt they are. Kids aren't dumb) then they are old enough to understand look at porn. 9 and beyond are the ages in which kids start seeing porn anyways. They are curious and they have to learn sometime. Not one 18 or 21 year old person is no where near being a stranger to porn.

Spyd

07-12-2005, 06:42 AM

I started watching porn at 11 years old.
I havent touched a real gun until last year (I'm 28 now). And I said touched, I never used one. I can't see the fun of it apart from videogames.

I think this is how it should be.

But then, I'm in Spain, there you can't find a gun in every corner. (To those potential furious people: I know that I'm exaggerating. You sould know too)

Mountain Man

07-12-2005, 08:41 AM

Roger said:
...made it clear that "any computer-savy twelve year-old can access" it.

12 year-olds shouldn't be playing San Andreas in the first place. Where are the parents?

Gatinater

07-12-2005, 09:00 AM

Spyd said:
I started watching porn at 11 years old.
I havent touched a real gun until last year (I'm 28 now). And I said touched, I never used one. I can't see the fun of it apart from videogames.

I think this is how it should be.

But then, I'm in Spain, there you can't find a gun in every corner. (To those potential furious people: I know that I'm exaggerating. You sould know too)

Guns are like video games. Either you like them or you don't. I was raised with guns and by fathers whom were gunsmiths, gun collectors, vetrans of war and hunting. So my intrest is nostalgic.

In Cleveland you'll find a gun at every corner. And now since Ohio permits all citizens to carry a loaded handgun holstered, every jerk has one. I don't have a carry license because I am not going to pay for a privlidge I would never use, because a visible weapon attrracts more touble than it deters.

SyntaxN

07-12-2005, 09:10 AM

Thats something I have never understod, is sex realy worse then violence?

In america, yes http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
That´s even more ridiculous than banning every violent game!

Kalki

07-12-2005, 10:06 AM

Parkar said:
Thats something I have never understod, is sex realy worse then violence?

No just under cultural taboos I guess. And kids are probably going to be more curious and interested in It than firing a gun.

Dave-ros

07-12-2005, 10:32 AM

SyntaxN said:

Thats something I have never understod, is sex realy worse then violence?

In america, yes http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
That´s even more ridiculous than banning every violent game!

That's something that bugged me about the USA: even late at night, breasts get blurred out. What's that about? Who's going to watch Striperella and complain that they weren't warned there would be bare cartoon breasts visible and it gave them a heart attack?!? And why is it you can see a bloke's bum in an R-rated movie but not breasts? (Because it's funny?!? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif)

People always say we Brits are all "no sex please, we're British" - well, maybe we are buttoned-down compared to Europe, but you can still see nudity on TV after 9pm (and I won't even go into what you can see on Eurotrash http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif). Violence, on the other hand... well, things are getting better, but there was a time when you couldn't show nunchuks on TV (edited from Turtles and Simpsons), and some movies were only released here with significant cuts. As far as games go, I don't think there have been any bannings in the UK recently, or am I mistaken? Furores yes, but no outright bans... although occasionally a seller will take a game off the shelf because a tabloid blamed it for a murder http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

In the US, I'd be more concerned about Doom 3 or Painkiller being banned because they contain pentagrams - some Christians are genuinely worried about the mere usage of that symbol, even if the game has you fighting the forces of Hell...

Mountain Man

07-12-2005, 10:47 AM

^^^
Think could you pack a few more stereotypes and generalizations into your post?

DudeMiester

07-12-2005, 11:06 AM

Parkar said:
Thats something I have never understod, is sex realy worse then violence?

Only in America. Ahh, such freedoms they have.

Cerberus_e

07-12-2005, 11:19 AM

Dave-ros said:
In the US, I'd be more concerned about Doom 3 or Painkiller being banned because they contain pentagrams - some Christians are genuinely worried about the mere usage of that symbol, even if the game has you fighting the forces of Hell...

and this is coming from someone that asked for help to get doom 3 running on his PC, and painkiller cutscenes, while he wants it banned, because some christians don't like it? or am I mistaken and is it the other way round?

John

07-12-2005, 11:21 AM

He didnt say he wants it banned...he said he is curious about why the christians didnt go crazy over it because of the pentagrams.

Cerberus_e

07-12-2005, 11:29 AM

John said:
He didnt say he wants it banned...he said he is curious about why the christians didnt go crazy over it because of the pentagrams.

because most christians don't know about its existence.
also, there is a christian revieing site, that gave doom 3 a really low score, because of all the pentagrams.
I wonder if it's a joke site or not

Kristian Joensen

07-12-2005, 11:48 AM

Ohh, it is not a joke site, it is generaly a good site. I don't get why some fellow Christians can really stoop so low and therby promote some very negative stereotypes of Christians. I don't really see what all the fuzz is about.

I haven't gotten Doom 3, the decision to get it or not will be totaly independent of the existence of pentagrams in the game.

But then again I am a very anti-steroetypical guy in general, though with certain stereotypical elements in the mix. The worst thing a pentagram in a game can do to you is scare you, if it does that then it has probaly succeeded at its aim. That should be considered a good think not a bad one.

Dave-ros

07-12-2005, 01:22 PM

Cerberus_e said:
and this is coming from someone that asked for help to get doom 3 running on his PC, and painkiller cutscenes, while he wants it banned, because some christians don't like it? or am I mistaken and is it the other way round?

Yes, you're mistaken, but I forgive you http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I meant our American contributors should perhaps be concerned about games being targetted for banning by the Christian right (the sort who burn Harry Potter books because they "promote witchcraft"). I'm sure it won't happen because they're only a minority, but I'm also sure they'll try... by all means try to ban a game because it's sickeningly violent, but not purely on faith grounds! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I should point out most Christians are cool - my best friend is a Christian who loves Harry Potter and doesn't believe in evolution, and she doesn't complain about my violent games (even the Satanic ones), she just shakes her head that I waste my time playing them http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

There was a debate about pentagrams in games here (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=675808&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1), which naturally got locked after it wandered off topic... but since this topic is about banning games, I hope Joe3DR will exercise leniency?

Kristian Joensen

07-12-2005, 01:43 PM

There are many people who would describe themselves as right wing christian who don't object to violent video games.

Simon Charles

07-12-2005, 01:55 PM

Last time I was at EB Games, a mother was shopping with her son for a game he wanted. He said the game's name was "San Andreas". The kid must've been 7 years old. But he asked for the game anyway. The salesguy gave it to her, and she just looked at the box. She didn't even read it.

It took forever for the salesguy to give her any kind of warning. He just said "Oh, this game is really violent" in passing, as if it were a rumor or an anecdote. To which the mother didn't seem to care. And she bought the game to her son.

I'll say this till I'm blue in the face : it's a parent's responsability to monitor and restrict what their kids are exposed to. Some things are not for kids, and some of those things are video games. Parents are uneducated, ignorant, and I'd go so far as to say uninterested about what their kids watch or play. As long as they shut up, they don't care.

Parents are the #1 reason why kids play violent video games : because they buy those games for them and allow them to play. If you purchase and give an M-rated product to a child, you have failed at your job of being a parent.

Imfamous

07-12-2005, 02:00 PM

What games do you let your kid play, Simon?

Dave-ros

07-12-2005, 02:04 PM

Kristian Joensen said:
There are many people who would describe themselves as right wing christian who don't object to violent video games.

Sorry, yes, you're right - when I said right-wing before, I meant extreme right-wing http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif It's just that the term "right-wing" has become suggestive of these extreme fringes, with "right of centre" to represent the more moderate. And even then, people can represent the spectrum on different issues (my housemate's generally a socialist politically, but firmly against abortion and thus to the right of centre in that aspect).

Maybe it's just that we get a jaded view of US politics over here, the "religious right" influencing government policy, etc. and so I got to wondering about whether computer games would be the next target (i.e. on top of concerns about violence, morality, wardrobe malfunctions http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif etc.).

John

07-12-2005, 02:06 PM

Imfamous said:
What games do you let your kid play, Simon?

I'd say the best games for kids are the ones made by Nintendo; get him a gamecube and you have awhole category of Child-orientated games. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

avatar_58

07-12-2005, 02:09 PM

Simon Charles said:
Last time I was at EB Games, a mother was shopping with her son for a game he wanted. He said the game's name was "San Andreas". The kid must've been 7 years old. But he asked for the game anyway. The salesguy gave it to her, and she just looked at the box. She didn't even read it.

It took forever for the salesguy to give her any kind of warning. He just said "Oh, this game is really violent" in passing, as if it were a rumor or an anecdote. To which the mother didn't seem to care. And she bought the game to her son.

I'll say this till I'm blue in the face : it's a parent's responsability to monitor and restrict what their kids are exposed to. Some things are not for kids, and some of those things are video games. Parents are uneducated, ignorant, and I'd go so far as to say uninterested about what their kids watch or play. As long as they shut up, they don't care.

Parents are the #1 reason why kids play violent video games : because they buy those games for them and allow them to play. If you purchase and give an M-rated product to a child, you have failed at your job of being a parent.

I've seen that as well. I can't imagine why a parent would allow a young kid to play GTA when it clearly says "Mature" on the box. When I was younger I never played Leisure Suit Larry until I was mature enough to understand it. I'm actually glad about that because I enjoyed it all the more.

This wasn't such an issue for many when we were younger because we lived in the NES/SNES years.....when games weren't violent enough or full of mature content that would warrent censorship. I do believe however, that today games like GTA ought to be played only by older mature players and not little kids that aren't even allowed to watch a movie in the same venue.

Dr. Kill

07-12-2005, 02:12 PM

Roger said:
I just overheard a news report on ABC regarding GTA:SA. It discussed a modification that unlocked/added pornographic material into the game, and of course, made it clear that "any computer-savy twelve year-old can access" it.

Discuss your disgust.

[Edit: Forgot one little detail.]

HAHAHA!!! I found this little "add on" a few weeks ago on GTAGaming.com (good site). Haven't gotten to try it cause my video card sucks.

They have no right to bitch though, it's a user-made add on. Rockstar had nothing to do with it. Stupid parents.

btw, I don't like the "letter grade" rating system. I think all it should show is the descriptions, that way parents would HAVE to look. Point is, not all M games (or T games, or whichever) are as bad as others. You also have to consider that rating sytems change. A game that was rated M yesterday could be Teen today. And a T game could now be E 10 (Like Midnight Club 3. MC 2 was Teen). I remember in the first Gex he said damn and hell. Today that would also be at least E 10... rating systems are useless because parents don't look to see "WHY" the game is bad, they just look at a f***in letter if at all! I still wait for AO rated games. Then we could have Manhunt: Directors Cut directed by Oliver Stone! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

FireFly

07-12-2005, 02:15 PM

I disagree. The parent's job is moniter the child and decide if he or she is mature enough to deal with the content contained in an M rated game. The ratings are nothing more than a guide, and represent the blanket assessment that all children over a certain age will be mature enough to handle a particular game's content.

In the UK for instance, games are rated 15 when they would be given an M rating in the US. Is a parent supposed to use the American rating system instead, now?

Phait

07-12-2005, 02:25 PM

Dave-ros said:

There was a debate about pentagrams in games here (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=675808&page=0&fpart=1&vc=1), which naturally got locked after it wandered off topic... but since this topic is about banning games, I hope Joe3DR will exercise leniency?

I wish it wasn't locked, because there were some contradictions in there that need to be pointed out.

Now back on topic.

Dave-ros

07-12-2005, 02:37 PM

FireFly said:
I disagree. The parent's job is moniter the child and In the UK for instance, games are rated 15 when they would be given an M rating in the US. Is a parent supposed to use the American rating system instead, now?

Not always... (sorry for posting so often, I'm unemployed!) Not very many games here have the specific BBFC-imposed age ratings. Half-Life 2 is rated 15, meaning it's illegal to sell it to anyone under that age (same with both Max Payne games), and Duke Nukem 3D was an 18, presumably because of the language and strippers http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (Obviously a parent can still buy it for their child, but then it's definitely on their head.) I think (correct me if my info's out of date, Wikipedia aren't being specific) that a game only has to be submitted to the BBFC if it contains live-action FMV (Carmageddon was submitted voluntarily in the hope of creating publicity with an 18-rating, and got zombie-fied instead!).

Other games just have "suggested" age ratings (through voluntary systems like ELSPA and its successor PEGI), which aren't legally binding. So, if a shopkeeper wants to sell a game rated 15+ under PEGI to a 10-year-old, it's entirely up to his morals, but if he sells a game classified 15 under the BBFC, he would be breaking the law.

"Oh Marge, that's just a suggested car size!" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Kristian Joensen

07-12-2005, 03:03 PM

Dave-ros said:

Kristian Joensen said:
There are many people who would describe themselves as right wing christian who don't object to violent video games.

Sorry, yes, you're right - when I said right-wing before, I meant extreme right-wing http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Could you clarify what you mean with exteme in this context ? You said your friend was against abortion would such a view qualify as extreme right wing ?

How about beeing against gay marriage ?

How about beeing opposed to polygamy ?

I am asking becuase I agree with the Bush administration in general and principle about morality(but that is the only thing I agree with), some would say this makes me extreme, does it ?

Mountain Man

07-12-2005, 03:07 PM

FireFly

07-12-2005, 03:11 PM

On the BBFC site, it says:

"Under the Video Recordings Act, video games are exempt unless they depict (a) human sexual activity, or acts of force or restraint associated with sexual activity, or (b) mutilation or torture of, or other acts of gross violence towards, humans or animals, or (c) human genital organs or urinary or excretory functions, or (d) are likely to stimulate or encourage sex, violence, or criminal activity.

Because most video games do not realistically depict humans or animals, they are exempt, but many video game distributors prefer to submit their games to the Board for classification in borderline cases. However, the industry itself has also become concerned with the accessibility and suitability of games and has introduced a self-regulatory system of classification for exempt videos which is run by ELSPA."

However, many games are still classified by the BBFC. But I was really talking about the responsible (not necessarily the legal) decision. For example, Doom 3 was given an 18 by the BBFC when in the States it was rated M, quite possibly because there is no 17 rating in the UK. Would a parent letting a 17 year old play the game be acting irresponsibly?

Dave-ros

07-12-2005, 03:39 PM

Kristian Joensen said:
Could you clarify what you mean with exteme in this context ? You said your friend was against abortion would such a view qualify as extreme right wing ?

How about beeing against gay marriage ?

How about beeing opposed to polygamy ?

I am asking becuase I agree with the Bush administration in general and principle about morality(but that is the only thing I agree with), some would say this makes me extreme, does it ?

Oh Gawd, don't make me clarify my sweeping generalisations http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I just meant the vocal minority who actively try to interfere in normal everyday life, e.g. those convinced that rock music is evil and must be banned because it mentions Satan (i.e. not letting even adults make their own moral choice). Extreme-right I would say is tending towards the "normal people aren't following our religion/faith/moral conviction enough so we have to make them follow it legally" attitude (so you could presumably also be extremist left-wing - Communist?). But I'm probably making a big fuss over a very small minority http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif (too much insomnia time spent thinking about this topic)

I don't think being anti-abortion is really even a religious issue, more of personal conscience. But this is a topic for another thread... and I'm not just saying that because I'm scared of starting a nasty argument over such a thorny issue http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Let's get back to our outrage over deadbeat parents (regardless of their religious or political affiliation) trying to ban our grown-up games!!!

Simon Charles

07-13-2005, 08:13 AM

Imfamous said:
What games do you let your kid play, Simon?

Games appropriate for their age and level of maturity. I will not put games like Max Payne or GTA in my kid's hands until he's old enough, mature enough and responsible enough to know he's just playing a game. And I'll help him becoming those things. So I guess as was stated in this thread, yes, Nintendo would be my first choice. I'm a fan, and I know their games are good fun.

As a kid, you don't always know what's good and what's bad for you. You don't always know when it's time to stop playing because your eyes or wrists hurt. You don't always know when you're being exposed to innapropriate stuff. It's the parent's job to know for you, and take those decisions for you.

As the child matures into teenagehood and adulthood, he can (and must) gradually regain power over himself, he must gradually learn to know what his parents knew for him, so he can make his own decisions. Until that happens, the parents must do that job for him.

Oh, and one more thing. I love video games with a passion. It's my main hobby, and also my job. I will definately let my kids play video games, because they brought me countless hours of joy and memorable moments in my youth. And I know video games have the potential to be as great as anything else. But for every hour of gaming I'll give my kids, you can be sure I'll demand double and triple time of reading books, doing their homework, and going outside to play and get some exercise.

That's how my kids will experience video games. Gradually, and in balance with everything else.

Kristian Joensen

07-13-2005, 08:27 AM

Have you got any kid(s?) ? or are you just answering hypotheticaly ?

Phait

07-13-2005, 10:24 AM

Simon Charles said:
As a kid, you don't always know what's good and what's bad for you. You don't always know when it's time to stop playing because your eyes or wrists hurt. You don't always know when you're being exposed to innapropriate stuff. It's the parent's job to know for you, and take those decisions for you.

This reminds me when I was in Junior High. My friend had Doom and Quake, which'd just came out and I was hooked! The funny thing is, his parents and himself were Christian, and I knew they knew, he played these games. But they didn't seem to have a problem. I'd come over, we'd play Quake, and I'd stay over for dinner or come home with a bag of fresh cookies http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I grew up on consoles - NES, SNES, GameGear, Genesis. When we got a PC I had Quake, Doom and got into PC gaming from there on. My dad knew Quake was violent and simply one day asked "do you have anything else you could maybe play?" -- but that's about the extent of his intervention -- and my Quake experience got me into level editing, which seriously derailed my academic performance - and my dad knew why. So I wasn't always allowed to use the computer.

But generally even though I wasn't held from playing violent video games, I turned out well - although I do get aggressive and angry at little things.

avatar_58

07-13-2005, 10:25 AM

phait said:
This reminds me when I was in Junior High. My friend had Doom and Quake, which'd just came out and I was hooked! The funny thing is, his parents and himself were Christian, and I knew they knew, he played these games. But they didn't seem to have a problem. I'd come over, we'd play Quake, and I'd stay over for dinner or come home with a bag of fresh cookies http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I grew up on consoles - NES, SNES, GameGear, Genesis. When we got a PC I had Quake, Doom and got into PC gaming from there on. My dad knew Quake was violent and simply one day asked "do you have anything else you could maybe play?" -- but that's about the extent of his intervention -- and my Quake experience got me into level editing, which seriously derailed my academic performance - and my dad knew why. So I wasn't always allowed to use the computer.

But generally even though I wasn't held from playing violent video games, I turned out well - although I do get aggressive and angry at little things.

Just remind him that level editing is considered a job. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm sure he would urge you to continue.

Combat Chuck

07-13-2005, 10:40 AM

Simon Charles said:
Games appropriate for their age and level of maturity. I will not put games like Max Payne or GTA in my kid's hands until he's old enough, mature enough and responsible enough to know he's just playing a game. And I'll help him becoming those things. So I guess as was stated in this thread, yes, Nintendo would be my first choice. I'm a fan, and I know their games are good fun.

That seems like the sensible way to do it. Of course, a lot of parents find it easier to simply send the kid into the store on his own to pick out a game, and the purchase it to avoid the ensuing tantrum that would occur if it were denied.

Phait

07-13-2005, 10:48 AM

avatar_58 said:
Just remind him that level editing is considered a job. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm sure he would urge you to continue.

Heh he knows that. I'm old enough he doesn't care anymore, sometimes he'll check out what I'm playin' and goof around. But I don't want to get into the industry, too much work compared to 10 years ago.

Gatinater

07-13-2005, 12:56 PM

phait said:

avatar_58 said:
Just remind him that level editing is considered a job. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I'm sure he would urge you to continue.

Heh he knows that. I'm old enough he doesn't care anymore, sometimes he'll check out what I'm playin' and goof around. But I don't want to get into the industry, too much work compared to 10 years ago.

I'll agree with that. I've never finished one room with a level editor. I'm too lazy and I just don't have the patience or intrest to learn a new level editor or any other program.

JackpotDen

07-13-2005, 04:35 PM

Point 1 :

This shit is brought up by MOMS AGAINST X.

These women typically watch fox till "ZOFMG!!! Product/activity/website Y will KILL/HARM/DISTURB YOUR KIDS!!!!!!!!!!"

She will then take her kid to soccer practice and whine untill someone proves her wrong, and she will only whine in private.

Point 2 :

There are people above the reccomeded age ranges that perform stuff in the game. They are called "cracka ass nutters"

Point 3 :

Violent games should be distributed like guns, if you can prove you are unaffected, then you can buy and play.

Point 4 :

I play violent games, and IN GAMES i am a sick basterd.

I am sane of mind and body.

Balgias

07-14-2005, 06:01 AM

Parkar said:
Well I guess any game that can be modified in any way needs to be rated adult then since someone might make a pornografic mod/hack for it that can be installed easilyhttp://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Ahahhahahahaha http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

i saw this news report and laughed my ass off about it, OF COURSE there is nude patches for it, its a friggin pc game that has content that is just begging to be edited to be what i believe is the kinda content rock star intended in the first place http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif.

Just another news story to make parents hate video game

( btw, i did like that news report that was saying that video game helps reaction time and reasoning skills http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif )

Gatinater

07-14-2005, 07:42 AM

It's a conspiracy! Rockstar is poluting minds with their hidden porn. Once the childrens find the code they will be corupted by the porn.

It's funny, because they describe it like it's as easy as entering the 30 guy contra code or the Mortal Kombat blood code. Or using console to enter god mode.

Hudson

07-14-2005, 04:46 PM

http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/breaking_news/12127149.htm

What a bunch of bullshit, seriously.

WHEN THE HELL ARE PARENTS GOING TO TAKE IT INTO THEIR OWN HANDS TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN?!?!

Hell, I would even be in favor of supporting "carding" the purchase of violent games (ala cigarettes) if just to keep developers in buisness. If they start rating every violent game AO then the restriction in sales will be enough to collapse the industry.

Tang Lung

07-14-2005, 05:06 PM

God, I don't know how you guys find the energy to get angry over this stuff anymore. All this BS is churned over and over.

For what it's worth, yes..I am hateful, I *hate* the older generation with a passion..and it is because of movies and video games, and they're constant sniping at us.

It's like punching a once friendly dog in the face over and over..sooner or later it's going to rip the person to shreds.

Balgias

07-15-2005, 07:26 AM

Hudson said:
http://www.montereyherald.com/mld/montereyherald/news/breaking_news/12127149.htm

What a bunch of bullshit, seriously.

WHEN THE HELL ARE PARENTS GOING TO TAKE IT INTO THEIR OWN HANDS TO RAISE THEIR CHILDREN?!?!

Hell, I would even be in favor of supporting "carding" the purchase of violent games (ala cigarettes) if just to keep developers in buisness. If they start rating every violent game AO then the restriction in sales will be enough to collapse the industry.

Dont worry, its just the media and moronic parents whining that the extremely violent/bloody videogame they bought for their 12. I guess parent are so stupid nowadays that to them killing 12-14 gangstas by blowing their heads off then getting in a car and running them over is ok to let them play.But OMFG 11!!1! there is a patch to "Unlock" pornagraphy ( lol who would have guessed )

parents: this is an outcry, we will not stand by and let our kids play these pornographic games, it could damage their minds severly !

all i do is sit back and laugh,there are sooo many things to laugh about in this whole situation

1. the parents (AHAHAHAHA, morons, pay the fuk attention to the games rating you idiots )

2.The News ( they snipe games every chance they get, i think ive even seen my local news bitchin about postal 2 before )

3. and of course the all underaged kids playing this very vulgar game http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

Things like this will happen in the kinda society we have, its not going to even touch the game industry im sure, it will all pass and all we be well and we will be playing dnf when it is not WID http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Gatinater

07-15-2005, 07:59 PM

I don't understand how educated people can be so stupid. College educated people. It just further supports the theory that it doesn't matter how many books a person memorizes or how much information a person aquires overtime, because once a jackass always a jackass.

Even though Forest Gump is a fictional character I believe he would have had more sense.

jimbob

07-15-2005, 08:14 PM

video games are not the reason kids might get violent, people who keep shouting

"OMG YOU PLAY GAME, NOW YOU = EVIL!!!!!11 YOU LAYED A GAME SO YOU WIL BECOME A MASS MURDERERER!!

GAMES=SATAN!"

that just makes me want to put a nice hole through thier head.

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Karthik

07-15-2005, 11:07 PM

I have a strong feeling that all this is staged. I'm serious! I think that Take 2 is actually paying these politicians to give cheap publicity to this game. I'm sure these so called parents are being paied as well. These lawsuits are nothing but a set up. Remember how Scott said in his blog publicity, good or bad, will only drive up the sales of the game.

GodBlitZor

07-16-2005, 12:09 AM

http://www.almenconi.com/topics/games/GodOfWar.html

Bastards trying to F*ck with GOW http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif Best mofo'ing RPG ever!

As for San Andreas, I agree, it depends on wether you can handle it.

I for one, have
A : Shot numerous types of guns and have EASY access and good knowledge of how to use them
B : Have access to Pr0n online and know where my parents stash is (havent used it though, no reason too)
C : Played Teen/Mature games since I was 4
D : I have even had some alcohol in a controlled environment while being monitored. Now, I havent shot nobody, gone off on some drunk tangent (ive never been drunk actually) and I havent raped no one either. My parents basicly let me fend for myself as well. When I was 7, I was gonna buy (With my own money, which wasnt allowance) Serious Sam for the PC, but we didnt have good system requirements. I for one think as my brother did (he introduced me to these numerous things), see it at a early age and be taught - hey, its a game and not ethical to do in real life. I also was brought up to have a concious. So yeah, I have many oppurtunitys to do some really bad shit, but im responsible.

I believe age restrictions are bullshit as long as you can handle it and be responsible.

Roger

07-16-2005, 12:55 AM

Hudson said:
Hell, I would even be in favor of supporting "carding" the purchase of violent games (ala cigarettes) if just to keep developers in buisness. If they start rating every violent game AO then the restriction in sales will be enough to collapse the industry.

Some retailers here have gone that extent, even with movies and music.

MegaMustaine

07-16-2005, 01:54 AM

I just can't believe the outcry over some dryhumping that was taken out of the actual game, but the code was left in for time reasons. Also I believe that the ESRB warns that "game experience may change due to online play" and I think this covers all the nude patches and such. It just makes me shake my head when more skin can be seen on a local tv station than a damn game, yet they are saying rate the game AO. Get real. If a 17 year old doesn't know what sex is than they have other issues.