Alien versus Predator questions

[Cerberus_e]

I just saw the mesh does AvP 2 video and the game looks very interesting http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
the atmosphere is like doom 3, same darkness etc...

but I still have a question:

is it a big plus if you have seen the movies?
the only movies I've seen are the 2 predator movies

I think I've never seen one of the alien movies, also, I haven't seen the alien versus predator movies

from what I've seen from the mesh video, mesh recognizes lots of elements from the movie, for example that flare (he associates it with the alien)

so how true are the games to the movies? would you recommend to watch the movies first because there are lots of cool elements that one will recognize from the movies?

or what http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

You should watch the Alien movies anyway. They're classics.

But no it's not really necessary to understand the plot of AVP 2, although it's nice to have the "hey, I saw that in the movie" feeling.

[Cerberus_e]

FireFly said:
You should watch the Alien movies anyway. They're classics.

But no it's not really necessary to understand the plot of AVP 2, although it's nice to have the "hey, I saw that in the movie" feeling.



yeah, that's what I mean, are there lots of cool "I saw that in the movie - cool" feelings?
if it's not true enough to the movies, then there isn't much point to wait to buy this game until I've seen the movies.

I'm going to download the demo now, but is the marine only demo different than the marine mission in the marine/alien and predator demo?

also, doesn't avp1 exist? I only see avp2 on the website of monolith

[Viciarg]

Cerberus_e said:
also, doesn't avp1 exist? I only see avp2 on the website of monolith



Yes it does (http://www.mobygames.com/game/aliens-versus-predator-gold-edition)

[Needle]

Cerberus_e said:
yeah, that's what I mean, are there lots of cool "I saw that in the movie - cool" feelings?


Definitely. You won't appreciate the awesomeness of... witnessing the alien lifecylce in 1st person as much as someone who saw the alien movies. But it's a great game nonetheless. Here is what you do:

1. Get Alien and Aliens. Watch them. Repeatedly. (You could also watch Alien 3, Alien 4 and Alien vs. Predator, but thats not a must.)
2. Play the game and get maximum enjoyment.

[Balgias]

Cerberus, if you like aliens or predators you should get this game, it is very good

Online play is VErY UNbalanced but is still interesting if you are on the right server, online the game is a bit rigged towards the aliens, they can stun,climb almost all surfaces, AND they kill everything so quickly, i never have time to react, plus i cant react while stunned http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

Offline, every race is its own adventure in slaughtering each other..But mostly the campaigns seem like Alien AND Predator VS Marines http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Predators: They have most of their trademark weapons, claws, spear, pistol ( new ? ),spear launcher, plasma caster ( shoulder cannon), Disc , net luancher, and some new weapon that are like little throwing knife remote bombs. preds can recharge and heal themselves perpatually, and they a vision mode for tracking each race, some weapons use the vision mode to lock on for the disc and shoulder cannon which is one of the best things for online play

Aliens ? hehe, just scurry around and bite peoples heads off also if you get enough kills if your playing as an alien online you wil turn into a queen http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif, and then gets sniped/constantly pop-shot to death, simply becuase this game has major balance problems.

Marines : if you watched alien ( sadly i havent seen ANY of the alien movies http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif) you will see alot of familar weaponry, i havent played the marines campaign much becuase of its difficulty

Bottom line, if you thinking about getting this game, dont hesitate, its worth plenty of time

[Cerberus_e]

what particulary interesses me is the 3 storylines crossing each other... and I don't care about multiplayer http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

I think the online mode is pretty balanced, but if you can't react fast then sure, you're going to be slaughtered. It doesn't take much Pulse Rifle fire to take out an alien and you've also got the Smartgun which auto targets for you, and Rocket Launcher and Minigun which rip aliens to pieces.

[Kalki]

Yeah I would certainly recommend watching the first two alien movies. The lifecycle details are appreciated better when you know what it's supposed to be.

The Predator campaign isn't so true to the movies with a human vision mode(no target locking thankfully) and less of an emphasis on the hunt and no tangible rewards for trophy collection. I'm hoping the next AvP game fixes that. Then the Alien campaign could also have base(nest)-building elements.

The reason I bought AvP2 was the marine demo which plays as well in the full version. Again, you'll need to watch the second alien movie to appreciate it. It's certainly the most immersive and scary part of the game.

Never played multiplayer even though I updated it.

[Balgias]

Well in that case its just like what i previously said, from what ive played on it so far, it has only been

Aliens eating humans

Predators hunting humans

Marines vs predators AND aliens

It prolly mixes around a bit later on thats how it was for as long as i have gotten on all the campeigns

Each races campeign is different, and none of them are over-crossing if that is what you are asking

[X-Vector]

Cerberus_e said:
so how true are the games to the movies?




Only the marine missions are true to the movies and Aliens is the one that these singleplayer campaigns are based on.

[Cerberus_e]

I tried the demo and it's cool (why does the predator have 4 visions, does it make a difference?)

my only complaint is that you know if an enemy sees you or not by the music, and that removes ALL scaryness.

the environment is cool though http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

Normal vision, thermal vision (for humans), electromagnetic vision (for aliens) PredTech vision (for predators).

[Opus131]

Balgias said:
Aliens ? hehe, just scurry around and bite peoples heads off also if you get enough kills if your playing as an alien online you wil turn into a queen http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif, and then gets sniped/constantly pop-shot to death, simply becuase this game has major balance problems.




Who cares, playing the alien as been some of the must fun i had playing a DM shooter ever, particularly after i mastered wall climbing... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Nacho]

I have AVP 1 gold edition but it always freezes once I start it up any way to fix this?

[Balgias]

Nacho said:
I have AVP 1 gold edition but it always freezes once I start it up any way to fix this?



Get a windows 98 dual boot setup on your h/d...

Sounds crazy but its the only way i could get the game to work


Opus131 said:

Balgias said:
Aliens ? hehe, just scurry around and bite peoples heads off also if you get enough kills if your playing as an alien online you wil turn into a queen http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif, and then gets sniped/constantly pop-shot to death, simply becuase this game has major balance problems.




Who cares, playing the alien as been some of the must fun i had playing a DM shooter ever, particularly after i mastered wall climbing... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ted.jpg !!


( note: Balgias is pro-predtech http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif )

[Balgias]

Accident post http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

Cerb, do it.

AvP is a great game, but AvP2 is amazing. More Monolith greatness, I love AvP 2 so damn much, the Predator campaign is one of my favs.

Plus sneaking around as a face hugger in the alien campaign is pretty damn cool. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Simon Charles]

FireFly said:
But no it's not really necessary to understand the plot of AVP 2, although it's nice to have the "hey, I saw that in the movie" feeling.



Agreed.

[Cerberus_e]

are there specific areas, or even scenes remade from the movie? or is it just little things like the vision from the predator?

btw, I remember in the predator movie a guy clamped himself on a tree, and the predator couldn't see him, the game is different with thermal vision?

[Simon Charles]

Cerberus_e said:
are there specific areas, or even scenes remade from the movie? or is it just little things like the vision from the predator?

btw, I remember in the predator movie a guy clamped himself on a tree, and the predator couldn't see him, the game is different with thermal vision?



It's the little things, the little details that you'll "notice" or "remember fondly" if you know the movies.

The Predator's vision is the same in the game as it is in the movies, although I thought AvP1 did it better than AvP2. Either way, you have normal vision, thermal vision to see heat (red humans on a blue background), electric vision (to see the cold-blooded aliens on a red background) and Predator vision (all colors inverted to see your fellow clanmates or your items).

[Cerberus_e]

well, somewhere at the end of the predator movie (when there is only one survivor left) he uses brown camouflage and clamps on a tree, the predator couldn't see him

[Balgias]

Cerberus_e said:
well, somewhere at the end of the predator movie (when there is only one survivor left) he uses brown camouflage and clamps on a tree, the predator couldn't see him



lol, cerb, this is kinda of a run and gunner with stupid humans to kill along the way, even if a human was covered in mud, even the mud walking around would make out a shape on the heat vision http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Cerberus_e]

I'm just pointing out a difference between the predator in the movie and the game

[someguy2435]

My two cents: AvP 2 multiplayer is unbalanced. Well the demo is. Almost everyone is running around as Predator, with 1 or 2 aliens. Hopefully there's a way to balance the teams in the full version..... or maybe the server admin's a twat. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[Balgias]

Cerberus_e said:
I'm just pointing out a difference between the predator in the movie and the game



There's too many to point out http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Balgias said:

Cerberus_e said:
I'm just pointing out a difference between the predator in the movie and the game



There's too many to point out http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



I only saw one so far http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

What you need to see before playing AvP2 is Alien and Aliens... AvP2 is more an Alien game with a bunch of predators thrown in it... But it works very well...
The story from this game is one of my favorite game-stories ever... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Especially some of the weapons and the Marines attitude rocks... (try to listen to vonversations before killing anyone... it's fun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) Also the graphics are pretty cool if you think about how old the Engine they're using actualy is... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
If playing MP you should get the Projam4_4 mod... (works fine for singleplayerr too, but makes it alot harder though... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)

P.S. Did anyone expect me to show up in here..?!

[Cerberus_e]

how come no one says: watch alien versus predator, does that movie have nothing to do with the game, called like the movie, or what?


Micki! said:
P.S. Did anyone expect me to show up in here..?!



why not?

[FireFly]

Aliens vs. Predator came out last year, and is completely unrelated to the game (other than the fact that they both use the same source material). It's also by all accounts not a very good movie.

[Micki!]

Alien vs. Predator movie was a horrible movie... (only storywise, the effects are cool though... I own it anyways, since i'm a fan... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif)

I would however rather have seen a movie version of AvP2 the game, that would rock... I just hope the sequel won't suck that much... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

[Imfamous]

Anybody have any AvP comics? I have about 20. They're pretty great.

[Cerberus_e]

I just started playing Aliens versus Predator. (YES MICKI! I AM PLAYING ALIENS VERSUS PREDATOR).
I started as the Alien, not because I look forward to crawling voer the walls and ceilings (I DID look forward to this, also one of the reasons why I'm looking forward to Prey, but it's not the reason why I started as the Alien).
The reason I started as the Alien is simple: it was the first choice in the menu, followed by Marine and then Predator. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I will play this way unless someone recommends a different order along with a good reason why it's better to play in that order http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I didn't watch the Alien films yet, but I can't wait to play the games anymore. Maybe I'll watch the films later.
Instead of having the "I saw that in the film!" feeling in the game, I'll have the "I played that in the game!" feeling when I watch the film http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

So far it's pretty interesting (read: the first few rooms of all three the Alien, Marine and Predator). I just tried it out if everything works.

By the way, the game doesn't tell me to insert the second CD which has only music, am I supposed to insert that one?
If so, will it play the CD from start to finish, or does every level have one or a few tracks assigned?
I hope it's the latter, because in the case of the former I probably won't have heard the last few tracks after finishing the game. Since I'll probably have quit the game once before the last few tracks start, and when I start the game again it will start all over again.

So, the predator has 4 visions:
- Normal
- Humans
- Aliens (do I also fight those in the Predator campaign?)
- Predator (why would I want to see those, they're allies, just a nice extra then?)

This is my first time I'll play through the Aliens versus Predator series. YES DAVE-ROS YOU READ THAT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME SO NO YOU DO NOT NEED TO POST SPOILERS HERE http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

Well, i'll try to answer as much as possible...

You don't have to play any of the 3 different characters in any order... Since the story of each spicies doesn't interfere with each other (like it did in some occations in AVP2) Also, the story is kinda weak, so you should just play whoever you want, since it's more pure action than story based (even though there are a few objectives in some missions)

I must warn you as playing the Predator, the invisibility(sp) works like crap on humans... You only really get a chance in sneaking into them (without noticing you) by crawling towards them...
The game also doesn't really have much to do with the movies... Although, for some wierd reasons you find yourself on locations which where in the movies also... (nothing special though)

I think the CD plays particular tracks for each spicies, but i don't know if they loop, or select next tracks...

The predator has 4 vision modes, and they're just like you have described... Except the Last vision mode...
It can be used to illuminate dark areas (usefull in Skirmish sometimes) and also in Muiltiplayer, when you fight against other Predators...
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And yes, you will encounter Aliens during Predator missions... (they have absolutely no relation to the movies..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif ) That's one of the reasons it's called "Aliens vs Predator btw..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif and you also fight them in MP...
P.S. Don't use your cloaking device on Aliens, they can see you while invisible (and so can you as Alien)

[Cerberus_e]

And what order do you recommend for Aliens versus Predator 2 then? Just thinking ahead http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

That would be the order you see them in... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

1 - Marine
2 - Predator
3 - Alien

Because the storyline in AVP2 goes something like:

Marine - You get to know what's going on and how it ends

Predator - You find out what happens meantime, and why some things didn't go as smooth as the badguys wanted it to be

Aliens - You get to see what happens (personally) to the badguy, and you'll seall the parts of the story the marine mission missed...

Personally, i like the Aliens (in avp2) missions better... But to fully understand without getting confused, you should go for the above order imo... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

P.S. Dr. Eisenberg is a Crazy "Mofo" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Don't spoil too much yet http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif But anyway, you say "the bad guys", you mean there are enemy marines as well? Hell, the marine misions are going to be with 4 teams then http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Also, it's interesting that Alien Versus Predator is in Dutch http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
All text, briefings, HUD, ... is in Dutch (the voices are English though).
It's cool some games don't ignore my language http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
They're rare though. Myst 3: Exile, Aliens versus Predator and Prince of Persia: Warrior Within are the only well-known games I can think of that have Dutch subtitles, and Myst 3: Exile even has the option to have Dutch voices! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
I chose English voices and Dutch subtitles though since it would be weird to have a different voice than in the previous two Myst games.

[Micki!]

Yeah, you will fight enemy marines aswell... There's a reson for it though... (it only get's explained in the game... You actually get to see why in the Expansion pack : Primal hunt)

I actually get in mood of playing singleplayer again with all this talk... It brings back memories... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Micki! said:
Yeah, you will fight enemy marines aswell... There's a reson for it though... (it only get's explained in the game... You actually get to see why in the Expansion pack : Primal hunt)




Oh yes, I have that one too http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Micki! said:
I actually get in mood of playing singleplayer again with all this talk... It brings back memories... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif



but you can't play AVP1 because you threw your computer away http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif *THROW* right between the trash there http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

Oh well, i still have AVP2..! And a great bunch of mods to play with... (and one dedicated MP mod, which rocks) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[colmtourque]

Micki, what are some cool AVP2 mods.

Also to people playing it for the first time. Play all the way through no cheats (it's satifisfying).
THEN (much like in any game where you are a jedi). Play through with all powers on the whole way for Predator...that's just fun. Sneaking around the forest missions with all your weapons invis is especially fun.

Does AVP 1 have more forest missions for the Pred, that was really all that I thought was missing from 2?

[Cerberus_e]

I'm in the third Alien level, on a spaceship having to kill everyone. The first two levels were cool, particularly the second one http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
I do have only one complaint though, and it's the darkness. Sure, I like darkness in games where it fits, but in this one it's different for some reason.
It isn't a big deal, because the alien can have that white navigation looker.

[Micki!]

colmtourque said:
Micki, what are some cool AVP2 mods.




My favorite mods are:

- AVP SE2 (Special Edition 2) - this one has a few nice stuff that makes it better than the regular Singleplayer... Never tried Multiplayer with this...
- Projam 4_4 - this one really rocks, but it's VERY hard... and has a few issues in Singleplayer, but the Multiplayer should be very good... (never tried it myself)
- AJL - with "Release 2" patch (This one is Multiplayer only, but DAMN what a difference in gameplay http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif)

Right now, i'm mostly playing the AJL mod... It's really funny, and different form the regular game... You just have to discover all the changes... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I play this quite often... It's just kinda sad that there is such a lack of active players, and servers... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Tang Lung]

I tried playing AvP2 online yesterday, it was terrible. I just stood there while aliens appeared and then reappeared around me. I couldn't shoot any of them because they would be in one place, and then the next second be somewhere completely different.

[Micki!]

Tang Lung said:
I tried playing AvP2 online yesterday, it was terrible. I just stood there while aliens appeared and then reappeared around me. I couldn't shoot any of them because they would be in one place, and then the next second be somewhere completely different.



I'm sure that was lag time...
It makes that the animations and actions are delayed...

Try shooting/hitting a nearby wall, and wait to hear the hit sounds... Then you can see how bad the actual lag is...

Anyways, i never tried the regular MP, becasue it was not recomended... It should appearantly be way too unbalanced, and very confusing...

That's why i prefered to try my first time with the AJL mod..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Is there a cheat to unlock all bonus episodes? Because I don't feel like replaying the whole game on Director's Cut difficulty after completing it on Realistic http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif
If not, does someone have a profile with all 15 bonus episodes (5 per species) unlocked? Send it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
It's because I don't want to play games on hard difficulty before having completed it on medium difficulty.
Realistic (= medium) unlocks four bonus episodes per species while Director's Cut (= hard) unlocks five.
So now I'll be missing three levels http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Any help? And is this the case in Aliens versus Predator 2 too?

[Micki!]

Can't hellp you with the bonus levels there...
But AVP2 doesn't have that...

[Cerberus_e]

The bite feature is cool, but unfortunately it has a crappy implementation.
The manual says the human has to be right in the center of the screen.
Well, sometimes they are, but finding the correct position is really difficult, so it only works on dead bodies, when it works on living humans it's either having luck, or because they aren't moving, like on the screenshot below.

http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/9632/avp60qx.th.jpg (http://img446.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avp60qx.jpg)

[colmtourque]

Micki thanks
I might reload it now and try those out.

[Micki!]

Yeah, the headbite in AVP1 is a little wierd... in AVP2 you have a crosshair though (small, so it doesn't disturb the gameplay)
But i prefer the Bite attack from AJL mod... There you have to holddown secondary fire (tail) and then Primary (and hold down primary) to prepare a bite attack... Tail does more dmage imo, but in case you actually loose your tail (yeah, it's funny to loose limbs in MP http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif) the bite is a good alternative... And biting anywhere on a character/dead body restores alot of health... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif


colmtourque said:
Micki thanks
I might reload it now and try those out.



There are some community reviews on Planetavp.com, where i know them from...
All of these mods can be downloaded at Filefront.com... (they have a special AVP2 section over there)

I hope you enjoy them...

P.S. The Projam 4_4 has some DAMN nice model skins... they really rock... And the MP mode has a damn lot more... Weapons, and character classes etc...

And for a fun, and different but only MP game, i'd recomend AJL mod... It has some damn nice features, which has to be found, or told by someone before actually getting them...

[Cerberus_e]

You can loose limbs in Aliens versus Predator 2? Or is that only in your mod

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
You can loose limbs in Aliens versus Predator 2? Or is that only in your mod



I don't know if it's in the regular games... But it sure is in the AJL mod... That is Multiplayer only though...
You cannot lose limbs in any Singleplayer games...

But it's funny, it really affects you and the gameplay...
It works like this:

You prepare for a tail attack, by holding up your tail... Now if someone gets a good shot (or hit) they will be able to cut off your tail... And then you can't use it (which realy sucks, becasue the tail is a very powerfull, weapon, and has a longer range than any other Alien attack)

The same goes for hands/arms... If you attak mindlessly with them, and gets hit the right place, you can actually lose you left, or right arm... Resulting in you only make half the damage of that attack than usual...
I haven't tried to lose both arms before though, and i don't know if that is possible either...
And when you lose your legs, you're as god as dead... You can only crawl towards others VERY slowly... And your life drains quickly...

Anyways, when losing any limb, your maximum health will be decreased slightly too... (i once managed to make 6-7 kills with an Alien with only one arm (my tail survived though) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Also, the acid is very very VERY Dangerous... (which is a nice addition) When standing on an Alien corpse, your life drops REALLY quickly, and you can be so lucky to can acid kills (when someone dies just when they killed you, becasue of your acid..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

There's so much in that AJL mod i could tell you, but it's way easyer to show it in the game... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Cerberus_e]

I don't know about the limbs, but the acid is in the normal game too. Already since AvP

[Hudson]

You're playing AvP 1 Gold in XP?

[Cerberus_e]

Windows 98

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
I don't know about the limbs, but the acid is in the normal game too. Already since AvP



Yeah, the acid has always been in every AVP game... but in this mod it actually becomes life threatening... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
It makes you fear dead aliens more..!

[Hudson]

Cerberus_e said:
Windows 98



Ah, I was wondering. I could never get AvP Gold to run correctly in XP.

[Cerberus_e]

Neither can I, but I haven't tried much. I just saw it didn't work, not even in compability mode, so I just installed it on one of my other computers.

[Micki!]

Hudson said:

Cerberus_e said:
Windows 98



Ah, I was wondering. I could never get AvP Gold to run correctly in XP.



I read through some websites and forums about this issue...
Appearantly it's not really XP's fault... It's becasue Service Pack 2 is installed it gets messed up...
Or XP with the SP2...

That must be it, since i did make it work for some time on XP...

[Damien_Azreal]

Micki! said:

Hudson said:

Cerberus_e said:
Windows 98



Ah, I was wondering. I could never get AvP Gold to run correctly in XP.



I read through some websites and forums about this issue...
Appearantly it's not really XP's fault... It's becasue Service Pack 2 is installed it gets messed up...
Or XP with the SP2...

That must be it, since i did make it work for some time on XP...



Strange.

I couldn't get AvP to work on XP even before I installed SP2. I haven't played that game in years, and it makes me very sad. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I wish somebody would find a fix for it.

[amphetamarine]

I'm still shocked and almost angry that you haven't seen an Alien movie in your whole life! How old are you? 5?

I forbid you from playing AvP (and doing anything else for that matter) until you've watched all the Alien/s movies multiple times.

There's no excuse seeing that you can pick up the 'Quadrilogy' pack which contains 9 DVD's and everything you need to know about Aliens.

Do it now!

[Micki!]

amphetamarine said:

There's no excuse seeing that you can pick up the 'Quadrilogy' pack which contains 9 DVD's and everything you need to know about Aliens.

Do it now!



So true... That collection rocks..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
You should visit me so we could wathc it together... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Maybe I've seen one, but I forgot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Anyway, I don't understand how come so much people can't play Aliens versus Predator, yet they're already gaming for YEARS. Do you guys throw away your previous computers or what? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Cerberus_e]

http://www.4cheaters.de/pc/trainer/aliens_vs_predator_full_access_savegame_496_140
I've found this while searching after a savegame for Aliens versus Predator. It is a profile you can download called "Full Access" and has all levels unlocked.
I haven't tried it out yet, so I don't know if it works, I'll finish the game first http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

Cerberus_e said:
Maybe I've seen one, but I forgot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Anyway, I don't understand how come so much people can't play Aliens versus Predator, yet they're already gaming for YEARS. Do you guys throw away your previous computers or what? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



This is my fifth or sixth PC, it would get a bit crowded around here to keep em all.

And besides, I usualy sell my old PC when I buy/build a new one. And use the money from that sale to pay off my credit card. Which I used to buy the new PC.

[Cerberus_e]

Yes, but you don't have to keep them ALL. Just the best Windows 98 based computer is enough http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Then you can play EVERYTHING with your two computers.
With DOSBOX, you don't need a dos based system anymore (I still have one though)

[Damien_Azreal]

Cerberus_e said:
Yes, but you don't have to keep them ALL. Just the best Windows 98 based computer is enough http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Then you can play EVERYTHING with your two computers.
With DOSBOX, you don't need a dos based system anymore (I still have one though)



Well, when you move out on your own for the first time you need all the cash you can get.

That would be the main reason why I didn't keep any of my old PCs around. I sold them all while I was in college.
And honestly, I don't see the reason for keeping one. AvP is the only game I can't get to work. Everyother game I own runs fine on my PC... just not AvP. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Prince of Persia 3D won't work as well if you ever decide to play that one. Also, for various other games you'll need ports, which devalues to authentic factor http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

With DosBox I don't really need ports. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

Did you try any of the mods i recomended yet..?
They're really cool... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
(Projam 4_4 is about 100MB though http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif)

I'd want to meet someone here in a game someday... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Micki!]

I just discovered why the heck Projam 4_4 is so damn hard...
It's becasue of the massive amounts of lag my PC creates... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

And the exagerated damage performed by whatever species... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Cerberus_e]

I just finished all five standard episodes of the Alien, because I'm playing on medium it unlocked 4 of the 5 bonus episodes. I'll play them after having played the other 2 races (Human and Predator).

http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/8397/avp117bd.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avp117bd.jpg) http://img410.imageshack.us/img410/6843/avp88ej.th.jpg (http://img410.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avp88ej.jpg) http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7908/avp130ba.th.jpg (http://img112.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avp130ba.jpg)

I'm having lots of health in the first screenshot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif More than what you get at the start of a level due to all my headbited (it goes automatically away though when you have more than the standard health).

[Micki!]

Yeah, it was cool the the maximum health increased by that...
Sad it's not in AVP2... It could be usefull at times... (especially with those mods)

Which AVP game do you like most, now that you've tried both (at least, i suppose you've tried AVP2 yet)... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[EDIT:] Nevermind...
It appears you haven't beat with all classes yet... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Enjoy the game... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

Feeding frenzy. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Micki! said:
Which AVP game do you like most, now that you've tried both (at least, i suppose you've tried AVP2 yet)... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Where do you get the idea I tried Aliens versus Predator 2? I'm not the type of person to play all series in reversed order http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I only tried a demo, but didn't finish it to not spoil the game.
Where do you get the idea I played that game?
Anyway, I've seen in the manual that Pounce Jumping, Courching and Wallwalking are THREE DIFFERENT KEYS? That sucks. In Aliens versus Predator, it's all one key: crouching and wallwalking is the same key, and that's MUCH easier isn't it? And if you jump while crouching then that's a pounce jump, also much better than having to bind yet another key, right?

[Damien_Azreal]

Not really, it seems like a lot of work when you look at it. But once you start playing it's almost second nature.

But I still love AvP2 so much better. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif The Predator episode is my fav in 2. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif I would cloak myself and snipe at humans using my thermal vision to take out the most. Then sneak around the ones left with my claws claiming tropheys. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> But in AvP2 the Alien episode is just awesome. I loved starting of as a face hugger, then having to bite out of that guys chest was just to damn cool. </td></tr></table>

Hmmm... may have to play that now. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif *installs AvP2*

[Cerberus_e]

Damien_Azreal said:
Not really, it seems like a lot of work when you look at it. But once you start playing it's almost second nature.



Yes, but it's still a lot easier the AvP1 way: everything = the crouch key http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Most of the time I'll want to crouch and wallwalk at the same time anyway. And even if I don't need to, it's still easier if you just have to press the crouch key rather than bind three different keys http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
What is your keyboard setup for the alien then? Make sure you mention whether it's toggle wallwalk or toggle crouch or just normal wallwalk or normal crouch http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Especially the POUNCE key needs to be accessed quickly (and I can't see it happening quicker than in AvP1)

[Damien_Azreal]

Since I don't have either installed at the moment I'm not sure... but I'll do my best by looking at the manual.

AvP: Gold

Action:
forward - E
backward - D
strafe left - S
strafe right - F
walk - Left Shift
crouch/climb - Z
jump - A
operate (use) - Spacebar
claw - Mouse 1
tail - Mouse 2
navigate/hute toggle - Mouse 3

And I use toggle crouch, toggle wallwalk. I always use toggle crouch in every game I can.

[Cerberus_e]

Yes, but I was more interested in AvP2, since they have three different keys for what was in AvP1 one and the same key. Anyway, don't do any effort, since you don't use WASD, so I wouldn't be able to imitate your scheme anyway (I intend to stick with WASD).
*Awaits Micki! for his alien control scheme of AvP2* or you don't use WASD as well? What? The arrows? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just kidding.

[Damien_Azreal]

Sorry man, I have to change the controls for every single game I have. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I can't stand using the spacebar to jump.

[Cerberus_e]

I couldn't live without http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:

*Awaits Micki! for his alien control scheme of AvP2* or you don't use WASD as well? What? The arrows? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Just kidding.



Yes, actually... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif
I have a very "special" way in controling in FPS games... I do indeed use arrows... I have no problem with WASD, but the arrows have other keys around them that are more usefull and easyer for me to use... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Here's how i control Alien in AVP2:
Movement - Arrows
Vision mode - Alt GR, or Page down
Pounce - KP1/end
Claw,bite - Left mouse
Jump - right mouse
Tail - Middle mouse
Wallwalk - KP0/ins
crouch - Ctrl
Walk - shift (rarely use that though) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
---
That's every Alien action in AVP2, and every key is near my movement keys... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
You can't possibly imagine how good i actually am in FPS games with that kind of setup... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Also, in AVP1, the couch is indeed the wallwalk and crouch at the same time... But you'll find it annoying in AVP2, if you want to hide at a wall, and accidently walk up on it instead... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Also, there are Crouch-jumps in AVP2 (only Predator's and Aliens though) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

As a sidenote:
The AJL mod give the humans the crouch jump too though... And removes the Pounce attack for the alien (you may think that's a stupid thing, to remove the attack... But it'won't be missed at all, since you can do so much else instead)

Actually, ever since i tried AJL mod, i hate the way you jump in the regualt game... In AJL when jumping forward (or any other direction) it's more like a leap so that you can avoid attacks, and stuff... very nice... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Micki!]

Cerberus and Damien... I think this will interrest you both ALOT..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Some news at Planetavp.com just showed a new Skins website... First, i thought it wasn't anything big... But when i got linked to it from the forums, i got cought of the amazingness..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Seriously, it's REALLY impressing... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif (and it's just skins... So no gameplay alterations like modfs do... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)

The first couple of pics only show the menus... And some characters using the same skins from Projam 4_4 (just MUCH higher resolution) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
The longer you scroll down, the more in game screenshots there will be...
[NOTE: there might be some spoiling screenshots in the end]
http://www.avp2sounds.com/Skinpack.html

Here's the website where it can be downloaded... (the skinpack...)
http://www.avp2sounds.com/1024x768eng.html

[Damien_Azreal]

Those are really nice. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif If I do reinstall AvP 2 I'll give those a look.

[Micki!]

Nice, i hope you like them... I have to try them myself too later... I'm just afraid that my PC can't handle the high res textures... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Anyways
[CORRECTION:]
in the above post, i said the pack was skins only... That is not really true... After reading the "info" page, it seems it include minor changes for gameplay... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Read the changes here:
http://siriusfiles.de/SiriusSkins_1.4.txt

Anyways, DAMN that's awesome... It's a huge difference from what the regular game looks like... Now it just needs perfected gameplay... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Unofficial patches or mods that alter the original game do not concern me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I want to play games in their original state (For Quake I use GLQuake but that's not a problem since it's official http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
Unofficial patches or mods that alter the original game do not concern me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I want to play games in their original state (For Quake I use GLQuake but that's not a problem since it's official http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)



Well, play the game through, and try it then... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
But i must say, i just downloaded it, (and tried it) and there is as much as zero changes... It just looks quite better... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Especially the plasma pistol, and shoulder cannon explosions (predator weapons)

Anyways, try the regular game first... then all the otehr stuff... it's funny to see what people manage to do with a game with mods... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (i wish Monolith would release the source code for modders to go crazy with their imaginations..!) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

Well... don't ask me how. But I got AvP working in XP. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

I installed it, patched it and started it up. Then once it hit the menu I opened task manager and set affinity to 1 CPU instead of 2. Same as I had to do for SoF.
And it's working pretty good, it ran better on my Win98 machien but it's going good.
At least I can play.

But I have a question. For anybody, I'm looking for a copy of Primal Hunt. The expansion pack for AvP2, I usualy get everythign I order through amazon.com. But not this.

AvP2: Primal Hunt (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/B000067O1K/all/ref=dp_pb_a/002-2123059-0457619?s=videogames)

I am not, no way in f*cking hell, spending 50 to 70 bucks on a damn expansion pack that came out over two years ago. Any help would be much appreciated.

[Simon Charles]

I strongly recommend watching all the movies these games are based on : the first two Aliens, and the two Predators. The third Alien movie will get you to see a few of the foundry levels (awesome AvP2 deathmatch!) and a tad more of alien mythos, but not much else. Most people consider it as the weakest of all 4 Alien movies, but I throughly enjoyed it; it's my favourite.

While you don't need to see any of the movies to enjoy the games, it'll enhance the experience if you do. It's your call.

[Cerberus_e]

That's great Damien_Azreal http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Maybe Hudson can get it working too by setting affinity to one CPU?

[Micki!]

I don't really get how he made it work... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Cerberus_e]

start AvP, ctrl+alt+del, go to the executable of avp in the list, right mouse click, set affinity to one CPU.

[Damien_Azreal]

Cerberus_e said:
start AvP, ctrl+alt+del, go to the executable of avp in the list, right mouse click, set affinity to one CPU.



That will only work for people with Hyperthreading and such. Hudson doesn't run a Pentium CPU.

[Cerberus_e]

And Micki!?

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
And Micki!?



Celeron... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif
And my new PC will have the AMD Opteron... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif (well, it's good, but no Pentium)

[Cerberus_e]

Don't worry, AMD is supposed to be better than Intel.

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
Don't worry, AMD is supposed to be better than Intel.



I suppose that would mean it'll work on the Opteron then...
That's good news... Then i can both play some old games, AND new games... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

My current Pc has problems with both old and new... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif [list]

[FireFly]

Cerberus_e said:
Don't worry, AMD is supposed to be better than Intel.


No, he shouldn't worry because he's getting a dual core CPU, so he can set the affinity himself.

[Micki!]

FireFly said:

Cerberus_e said:
Don't worry, AMD is supposed to be better than Intel.


No, he shouldn't worry because he's getting a dual core CPU, so he can set the affinity himself.



Yes, the Opteron is adual core... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

In fact, i'm thinking about ordering it soon...
All i need is to know if it's long for the new graphics cards to come out...
Then, possibly the 7800GTX i wanted would fall in price... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

That's really all i need, together with a danish price comparison, to see if it can be found even cheaper than the cheapest..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

the price won't fall THAT much Micki!, don't overestimate the good deal you'll make http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
the price won't fall THAT much Micki!, don't overestimate the good deal you'll make http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



It will cost me a shitload amount of money, so any kind of pricefall would be welcome... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Uuuh, can't wait to play on a good PC... I'm sure it will feel totally new for me, changing from this current piece of shit, and playing on somthing that actually works... (man, this machine didn't even work well from day 1 when i got it) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Uhhm, anyways, how are you coming along with AVP..? finished it..?
If so, have you begun on AVP2 then..? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

No I'm still at the beginning of the marine campaign http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
And yes, th first things you have to do is when you get your new PC that is actually capable of HARDWARE ACCELERATION, is run Doom 3 and you'll be amazed how much more fun a game can be when it runs smooth. And FEAR as well http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

You may have realized that the story in AVP (any character) doesn't make much sense... It's not very thought through... But the Skirmish mode is really funny after beating the game...

AVP2 has a good story... I wish FOX would create a movie based of it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


Cerberus_e said:
run Doom 3 and you'll be amazed how much more fun a game can be when it runs smooth. And FEAR as well http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



I believe so too... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Cerberus_e]

The story makes a lot of sense to me.
In the alien campaign:

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">
The game starts with the humans entering the alie temple, so I get onboard of their spaceship, go to some kind of space security station, and there take another spaceship leaving for Earth, I assume it's for revenge
</td></tr></table>

[FireFly]

Micki! said:
All i need is to know if it's long for the new graphics cards to come out...
Then, possibly the 7800GTX i wanted would fall in price... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

That's really all i need, together with a danish price comparison, to see if it can be found even cheaper than the cheapest..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


If you mean the 7800 GTX 512, then I don't think that will happen - they were only produced in very small quantities, and in fact production has now stopped.

There are much better alternatives though - the X1900 XT is faster and far cheaper, and this week Nvidia should introduce their new cards:

7900 GTX - should be about on par with the X1900.
7900 GT - this will be as fast as a regular 7800 GTX

So yes, your wait is nearly over.

[Micki!]

*****!!!
I just read a VERY long message, and then my internet ***** UP..!
DAMN i'm pissed now... I was making a VERY long message, filled with answers and questions, and now it's all gone... DAMN I HATE THIS DAMN PC!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Firefly, should i get a X1900, or the 7800GTX/7900GTX
I've heard ATI has some issues in some of thier drivers... While Nvidia's should work better...

As long the card i get works as it should, and supports every graphical feature any game has yet, i want it... It should be able to handle FSAA etc too...

[Cerberus_e]

Was it about AvP? If not, then it's not unfortunate http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Just kidding.

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
Was it about AvP? If not, then it's not unfortunate http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Just kidding.



Yeah, the biggest part was actually about AVP..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
But i'll try to cut it short here:

The some (not all) story parts in AVP seems more like lots of missions rather than one big story... (the Aliens campaign being my favorite in both games)

In AVP2, the story is like one big story, which even has connections betwwen each class you play... (for instance, you will experience things happeneing somewhere else, and sooner realize when playing another character class that it was you who did that happening...)


It was explained ALOT better in my lost post... But i hope you get a good point of this anyways... Lot's of highlighting points (which helped making more sense) were cut out... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Cerberus_e]

But I don't want spoilers, by saying I am the reason of certain events you already crossed the line http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[FireFly]

Micki! said:
*****!!!
I just read a VERY long message, and then my internet ***** UP..!
DAMN i'm pissed now... I was making a VERY long message, filled with answers and questions, and now it's all gone... DAMN I HATE THIS DAMN PC!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Firefly, should i get a X1900, or the 7800GTX/7900GTX
I've heard ATI has some issues in some of thier drivers... While Nvidia's should work better...


I know the feeling.

Both ATI and Nvidia have excellent drivers. The only "issues" relate to game specific rendering bugs, but these are fixed monthly.

Otherwise, lets wait for the benchmarks, eh http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

I'm sorry if i really spoiled anything in that post... I'm certain i didn't include any spicific parts in the actual game... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif


FireFly said:

Micki! said:
*****!!!
I just read a VERY long message, and then my internet ***** UP..!
DAMN i'm pissed now... I was making a VERY long message, filled with answers and questions, and now it's all gone... DAMN I HATE THIS DAMN PC!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Firefly, should i get a X1900, or the 7800GTX/7900GTX
I've heard ATI has some issues in some of thier drivers... While Nvidia's should work better...


I know the feeling.

Both ATI and Nvidia have excellent drivers. The only "issues" relate to game specific rendering bugs, but these are fixed monthly.

Otherwise, lets wait for the benchmarks, eh http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



So, you don't have any recomendation beforehand..? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
I'd kill to get that PC... But when i get a complete list, some things still need to be done, before i can order the whole thing...
So even if i would get it now, it'll take like 1-2 months before i get anything out of it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Denz]

I'll tell you what we need now. We don't need another WW2 shooter or anything else.









WE NEED AVP3!!!11!1 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

(3 races, 3 gameplay different, http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif)

[Micki!]

Yeah, an AVP3 would rock hard...
I hope Monolith will be making it... Either with some licensed engine, or thier own FEAR engine... I'm sure it would be so ridiculously amazing...

I want it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Micki! said:
I'm sorry if i really spoiled anything in that post... I'm certain i didn't include any spicific parts in the actual game... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



No, but you described the story twist of the game, and such one is usually meant to surprise the player, or it won't work.
Now when I play AvP3 I won't be amazed/surprised when I discover certain events are because of ME. Even though you didn't write down the events.
You should be really careful with your excitement about your favourite games http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Because after all you hope I'll like the storyline as well, right? How is that possible if I know the structure of the story already http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I hope you know what I mean with my explanation how come you spoiled it even though you weren't specific http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:

Micki! said:
I'm sorry if i really spoiled anything in that post... I'm certain i didn't include any spicific parts in the actual game... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



No, but you described the story twist of the game, and such one is usually meant to surprise the player, or it won't work.
Now when I play AvP3 I won't be amazed/surprised when I discover certain events are because of ME. Even though you didn't write down the events.
You should be really careful with your excitement about your favourite games http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Because after all you hope I'll like the storyline as well, right? How is that possible if I know the structure of the story already http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I hope you know what I mean with my explanation how come you spoiled it even though you weren't specific http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Don't worry, because i didn't say with which species that would happen with... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif
And i'm not saying if it's actually going to happen several times, or not... or when it'll happen...
Or if you'd concider it as such an event at all... Maybe it's just how i understand it, while you have a completely different meaning of what i really meant...

There, now you can't be sure what's what, and you'll get surprised anyways... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I must admit, i had to play through the game 2 times with every species, to get the meaning of all...

[Damien_Azreal]

Micki! said:
I'm sorry if i really spoiled anything in that post... I'm certain i didn't include any spicific parts in the actual game... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif


FireFly said:

Micki! said:
*****!!!
I just read a VERY long message, and then my internet ***** UP..!
DAMN i'm pissed now... I was making a VERY long message, filled with answers and questions, and now it's all gone... DAMN I HATE THIS DAMN PC!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Firefly, should i get a X1900, or the 7800GTX/7900GTX
I've heard ATI has some issues in some of thier drivers... While Nvidia's should work better...


I know the feeling.

Both ATI and Nvidia have excellent drivers. The only "issues" relate to game specific rendering bugs, but these are fixed monthly.

Otherwise, lets wait for the benchmarks, eh http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



So, you don't have any recomendation beforehand..? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
I'd kill to get that PC... But when i get a complete list, some things still need to be done, before i can order the whole thing...
So even if i would get it now, it'll take like 1-2 months before i get anything out of it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



Micki!, I've been using a ATi x800 GT for over a year now. I've never had a single problem with my drivers causing any problems.

I had some issues with drivers in CoD2, but they were fixed in newer drivers. But nothing that would make me loose faith in ATi... that's were I'm conflicted.

When I start on my new PC do I want a 7800 GTX... or a x1900. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

So, since the ATI drivers should work fine, and the X1900 is cheaper AND better than GTX7800, i believe it's best to get the X1900... Right..? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

I mean, the GTX doesn't have ANYthing better than the X1900..? since it's more expensive..?
Because then i'm getting the X1900 for SURE... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

It's all about personal opinion. I've used Nvidia in the past and the GF FX 5600 in Bon's PC is working great. But, I still had problems with a GF4 card before it, and a GF2 card before that.

So that's why i stick with ATi now, but I know people who can say the same thing about having problems with ATi cards.

The x1900 is an awesome card, but either way it or the 7800 are able to play anything you throw at them great.
If you want to go with teh x1900, I say do it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

As long as it works perfect for current, and future games, i'm taking it...
So, any other opinions..? X1900..?!

I'd love to play FEAR, Doom 3, BF2...
And of course see the "big" difference from DX7 to DX9 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (AVP2 for instance has DX8.1, and i wonder if i can see the difference at all) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[FireFly]

Micki! said:
So, you don't have any recomendation beforehand..? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
I'd kill to get that PC... But when i get a complete list, some things still need to be done, before i can order the whole thing...
So even if i would get it now, it'll take like 1-2 months before i get anything out of it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif


Without seeing any benchmarks I'd lean towards the X1900, because it's probably going to be more futureproof.


I mean, the GTX doesn't have ANYthing better than the X1900..?


Feature-wise, no.

Performance-wise, the GTX 512 can be slightly faster than the X1900 in a few OpenGL games. In DirectX, the X1900 is faster in almost every game.

[Micki!]

FireFly said:

Micki! said:
So, you don't have any recomendation beforehand..? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
I'd kill to get that PC... But when i get a complete list, some things still need to be done, before i can order the whole thing...
So even if i would get it now, it'll take like 1-2 months before i get anything out of it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif


Without seeing any benchmarks I'd lean towards the X1900, because it's probably going to be more futureproof.


I mean, the GTX doesn't have ANYthing better than the X1900..?


Feature-wise, no.

Performance-wise, the GTX 512 can be slightly faster than the X1900 in a few OpenGL games. In DirectX, the X1900 is faster in almost every game.



So personally, what of the both would you recomend..?
I'll choose the one you pick... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[FireFly]

In a contest between the 7800 GTX 512 and the X1900, the X1900 is clearly a much better purchase.

I really would like to wait for the benchmarks before recommending a X1900 over a 7900, though. It's only going to be a few days.

[Micki!]

So be it...
Will you please give me a note when the benchmark results appear..?
After i have made my decision, i'll try to find the cheapest price on the internet, and give the results to my dad, who'll try to find it even cheaper at work...

Sorry for going all offtopic Cerb..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Micki! said:
Sorry for going all offtopic Cerb..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



That's not a problem, I like to have multiple conversations in threads going on as well, I don't understand why people always scream OFF TOPIC... It's not because another discussion in a thread is going on, that the original discussion will fade out. If nothing is said anymore about the original discussion it's because nobody HAS something to say about it anymore.
If anything, an off topic parallel discussion keeps a thread alive, so eventually there is going to be MORE talked about the original subject than if there wasn't off topic talk in the thread (the reason is that a thread with off topic talk keeps getting bumped so people that don't visit the forum as regularly as us see the thread as well, otherwise the thread will get lost between the thousands of other threads marked as "read" on the previous few pages on the overview of threads in a certain forum, so the people that don't visit the forum regularly won't notice the thread, and maybe they had something to say. also, some people might previously have nothing to say about a discussion but after a while something might pop up in their mind, and that will only happen when a discussion gets bumped).

Unfortunately, the moderation doesn't allow off topic discussions parallel with the original discussion http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Micki!]

Well, let's have some fun here then... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif
Here's a funny (old) Screenshot i made during a game of AVP2...

Appearantly AI Aliens can lose limbs, while players can't (in singleplayer that is)
So I managed to cut off both feet, both hands, and the tail of a fellow Alien... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Funny thing is, he was still alive, and could walk well and all... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
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http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3158/screenshot201ob.th.jpg (http://img381.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot201ob.jpg)
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This is really too funny..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

So it's 2 weeks holidays now, so I have time to sit on my old Windows 98 computer again.
What does one do when he's on his windows 98 computer? Playing the original AvP of course!
I already finished the alien campaign a month ago or so, so now I'm doing the colonial marine campaign.

The game is very scary! Medium difficulty limits your savegames to 4, which is a feature I don't mind. (Because the level aren't huge).

I see the game turns off your numlock, so the green LED for num lock doesn't light up anymore. Probably to make the game even scarier because there is less light in the room :D Too bad it's daylight now (this room is very lit), with my father working on the other PC, with music. So the game turning off numlock is futile. But every bit helps! haha!

and this game is still scary! I don't even notice my father is listening to music (the game has its own CD music btw, so that helps, and the music is tense).

I really like the effect of the flares!
Here are a few screenshots which I also posted in the what did you play most recently thread. I apolagize for the third screenshot, it seems to be a bit corrupt, but it still shows the game well enough.

http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/4534/avp201vs.th.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avp201vs.jpg) http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/2230/avp211db.th.jpg (http://img118.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avp211db.jpg) http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/329/avp229mg.th.jpg (http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avp229mg.jpg)

Jealous Micki!? :D

[Micki!]

Jealous Micki!? :D

Yes... :tinyted:
I wish i had some old PC to play old games on... Instead i'll just get some monster PC which is able to run all the new future games... :( (that sounded SO wrong, didn't it..?! :D)

Anyways, this must be like the 3'rd time this thread get's resurrected...
is this like some "Alien Resurrection" pun..?! :hhg:

[Cerberus_e]

You used "alien" and "resurrect" in the same sentence? Damn, that does it! I don't dare to play anymore :D

[Micki!]

OMG, sorry... :o

:hhg:

[Cerberus_e]

I dare to play again, I just realize it's only the second time this thread gets bumped.
first time when I actually GOT the game, second time now :)

[Micki!]

I can't play it... It simply required an old OS to play right... :(
I can however, play AVP 2... Which is a great game too... :)

[Cerberus_e]

It doesn't run smooth here anyway, because my Windows 98 computer doesn't have a graphics card.
But it's playable enough! Probably much more playable than Doom 3 on your computer I think, hehe.
But in bigger areas with an alien jumping around the framerate can drop noticably so it isn't smooth anymore... but still fast enough to aim in time.

Anyway, the reason I post here is to complain.
NO, I DON'T THINK IT'S FUN HOW ALIENS KEEP RESPAWING.
The second level starts with a big open field with a few buildings.
So I thought, I'll roam around a bit to kill all aliens first.
After killing 10 aliens I knew for sure: THEY'LL KEEP RESPAWING :mad:
I had to resurrect power to a gate, because an APC was behind that gate which I could use to escape. But those switches are in a building behind a gate that also needs power restored first.


So I went in the first building and after a few twists and turns, I activated the power plant.
I went outside again and there were one or two aliens lurking that respawned.
I went in the second building, and I had to go through ventilation shafts with (respawning) aliens, that's where I used my fourth and last savegame.
Then take an elevator up to the third floor and activate the switches for the escape gate.
Too bad, power failure, it tells me to use the tools of a dead engineer instead.
While backtracking to the second floor (where the dead engineer is), I encountered five aliens at the same time that respawned from various points in the building apparently. I died a lot (and had to start all over again from after the ventilation shafts, since savegames are limited).
Then I finally managed to get in the room of the engineer and what do I encounter there? A new enemy! Facehuggers is probably their name.
So I saw those little stars sliming/moving over the floor. I was watching a few in the distance but didn't see there was one close to me.
DEAD again, because he jumped on my face which resulted immediately in my death. *cries*
So after retrying I got his toolbox, RUSHED out of the building while skipping most aliens that respawned, RUSHED over the main open field from the beginning while killing the few aliens that followed me out of the building, and then used my tools on the door outside, which opens VERY slowly.
Then I still had a semi-long "chasm" to run through.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/1303/avp282bv.th.jpg (http://img108.imageshack.us/my.php?image=avp282bv.jpg)

And then I encountered the APC vehicle. Phew. End of level statistics, what does that feel good knowing the level was over, after such a long period between last savegame and the end of the level.


As you can see from my spoiler, what once was a slow game in level 1 became the enormeously fast paced game in level 2 :eek:
It was very immersive because you never feel safe, but I think they should have given you that effect in a more FUN way.
If I was a developer I would have given a few rooms (preferably where your objectives are, and sometimes inbetween) where the player can rest, with a saving checkpoint there.

Needless to say I have a question:
- Will that (enemies respawning when you're somewhere else) also be the case in AvP2? Hehe. Don't be specific, yes or no suffices.
And another question:
- Do facehuggers kill you immediately or do you have a chance to shoot them like in Duke3D and Liquidator 2? Because maybe I was low on health and that's why I died immediately, I don't know.
Again don't be specific because knowing you my question about if facehuggers are immediately lethal in AvP1 would get an answer with additional info that ends with approximately how much facehuggers there are in AvP2 and in which levels. Hehe ;)

I got two new guns btw :) A pistol and a gun I don't know the name of, it's some sort of chaingun with 500 bullets. It isn't a machinegun that works with clips like the pulse gun. Very good. But depletes very fast.

I'm in the third level now.

By the way, on topic of that thread resurrection, this thread will probably five times more be resurrected:

- When I actually finish the game
- When I finally start Aliens versus Predator 2
- When I finished a species
- When I finished another species
- When I actually FINISH Aliens versus Predator 2.

[Micki!]

Heh, that was a quite funny read Cerb... :D

Anyways, to answer your questions:

- No, the re won't be any unlimited spawning of Enemies in AVP2... There will be scripted occations where a lot of aliens spawn from a certain place, but it's NOT unlimited...

- The other mahcinegun you found is called a "Smartgun".. It sounds cool :cool: and it has an auto targeting system... Meaning that ANYTHING that moves makes the crosshair/aiming follow it and making your bullets hit the target alot easyer, since you practically won't have to move the screen...

- Facehuggers in AVP2 will "kill" you immediately, but there a little easyer to get away from than in AVP... besides, in AVP you encounter them in MID battle, this is not the case at all in AVP2...

[Cerberus_e]

Wow, quite a few new enemies in this level, even a boss battle.


It as very cool (also very hard, partially because of the low framerate since there were 8 enemies on the screen at times).
I entered a big room (with a few explosive rockets on the wall and on the floor), and in that room was a Predator and 2 static machineguns that kill anything but marines.
Predators are hard to kill, so I had to turn on those machineguns to help me.
They did help me but I had to manually do the last shot (or else the Predator blows up himself including everthing else). I had to switch from my Doelzoeker (Smartgun) to my Pulse geweer (Pulse gun) or it would shoot othr enemies instead of the dying Predator.
So while I'm fighting the Predator, dozens of Aliens come through ventilations shafts in the ceiling into the room, but not only ordinary aliens! Also Praetorians! Much tougher than an Alien.
As soon as the Predator is dead, something new spawns into the room: a PredAlien for Christ's sake :D
So much tough enemies in one room, at one point I have to fight aliens, Praetorians and PredAliens at the same time! :eek: and before that it was aliens, Praetorians and a Predator :D
Man, it was terrible :D


I'm still figuring out what the difference is between a Praetorian and a PredAlien.
I know the difference story-wise (PredAlien is an alien born from a Predator), but I'm looking for the difference gameplay-wise.

Up to the last level now, according to the manual there is only one enemy left: the alien queen :D

[Micki!]

I don't think there's a big difference between Predaliens and Praetorians in AVP... There is a big difference in AVP2 though... (don't worry, this ain't no real spoiler, since it has nothing to do with the story/plot in any way)

The praetorian has an armored body (imune against conventional weapons) and they're super strong, but very slow, and can't walk on walls...

Predaliens are very VERY strong, and can wallwalk, but they can't bite (only in Primal hunt)

[Cerberus_e]

By the way, I heard you also play as facehugger in AvP2. Does that mean the game will switch between Alien and Facehugger at some point in the game? Don't say what causes this or anything, just reply with a simple "yes" or "no, but some people say that [insert reason why everyone claims that which is explained in a non-spoilig way]" :D

In other news: I finished the regular campaign of the Marine. I still have some bonus levels left to do, but I'll play the Predator campaign now :)
What does the alternate fire of the shouldercannon do? It seems to drain Predator Energy but beyond that I don't see what it actually does :D

[Micki!]

That question can't be answere properly with a yes and no... In that case i'd have to say Yes AND No...

Becauue you don't actually "switch" character, you play an Aliens lifecycle...

The shouldercannons alternate firemode charges up the Shouldercannon for a more powerfull blast... :cool:

[Cerberus_e]

Well, then "yes" would have sufficed :D I mis-wrote my question, I only wanted to know if you play as Alien AND Facehugger in the campaign. How it happens was to be kept surprise. But luckily it is't a spoiler.

[Micki!]

But it's not a really a yes :o...
Not to answer the exact question at least...

Anyways, you must remember that AVP and AVP2 are completely different in gameplay from each other... (even though many weapons/attacks seem similar)
Just a sidenote... :o

[Cerberus_e]

Why do I have to remember that? What is the difference I mean?
Enemies don't respawn, that's a big plus :D

[Micki!]

Well, first of all, marines, predators, and aliens don't all run with the same hyper speed... Aliens are the fastest in AVP2... :o

[Pansa]

well .. i was absolutly underwhelmed with AVP2 ..
yes , the SP was more storydriven
but..
the sp was "to easy" and "standartshooterlike"
while avp1 was hard as hell (reason why i stopped playing my bro in MP -> he finished all 3 chars in directorscut oO)
it seamed much more rewarding to retry each level to realy "beat" it..

and i absolutly HATE monolith for changing the pace for the aliens ..
got damit the jumping in avp1 was PERFECT why screw it THAT bad?

(for the unknowing : in avp2 alliens have 2 jump modes ... one "normal 3dshooterjump" and a second "attackjump" which is long and kills the foe insta...

avp1 combined both in one button , the "far" jump would be triggerd by crouching(climbing) but missed the "attackpart" so the mainspeed from the alien came from running crouching "flying" you still could headbite a foe to regain health, and "walltaggin" was way easier (hitting wall or ceiling in midflight converting into climb on that spot ...

this made "alientag" fun , an mpmode where about 4 marines would hunt one alien.. the alien cut propell from any ceiling headbite one , and fly up to the roof again to grab the ceiling and scurry of ..

damn you monolith...

[Cerberus_e]

I agree 100%, that's what turned me off in the AvP2 demo as well: how crouching and wallwalk are two different buttons!
In AvP you just crouch to wallwalk, much, much, MUCH better.

And in AvP2 how does it look when you're wallwalking but not crouching then? An alien standing like a human on the wall? :confused:

I said this earlier in the thread, how it's better to have crouching, pounce and wallwalk all in one button. It's easier to pounce fom wall to wall or from ceiling to wall/floor too while wallwalking if you do it the AvP way.

[Pansa]

well eventually i got that crouch <-> climb thingy mastered..

but i never got that "good" with the avp2 alien as i was with the avp1 one !!11 ;)

mainly because longjumps -> climb (highcealing and stuff) just was even more bugged than in 1 , secondly because you couldnt longjump-> headbite -> longjump anymore..

in avp1 i'd replay the "prolog"level and the first real one 1000times just for fun
(especialy the prolog one which was more like a racetrack)

in pve i think i just used "toggle crouch" and crouched everywhere... no need for a standing alien ;)

and the walkwalk itself was better in avp2 , while i aggree , sometimes when getting close to walls it toggled early, it worked better on "corners" than avp1 did, where you often would "get stuck" on ... lets call it "stairs" until you let go...

edit : and i disaggree , you cant have ALL three on one button .. that would render pouncing of walls impossible
keep it as any shooter .. crouchbutton + jumpbutton ......
climb = crouch+wall...
crouch plus jump = longjump..

[Cerberus_e]

AvP1 has all three as one button.
For longjump (=pounce) on walls you just press jump while wallwalking :)

[Micki!]

(for the unknowing : in avp2 alliens have 2 jump modes ... one "normal 3dshooterjump" and a second "attackjump" which is long and kills the foe insta...


The AJL mod (Great multiplayer mod) for AVP2 has this kind of jump...
Every spicies has it, so they can evade attacks... But alines have it extra enhanched, to make an attack out of it...

You can even knock down enemies by jumping directly into them, so they'll have to stand up again from lying down...

Such enemies are VERY esy targets... :D
I love this mod especially becasue they enhanched the Aliens like this... :cool:

While i'm at it, the Aliens also have a "controlable bite" attack... Hold down Tail attack, and press primary fire... Then you draw your Jaws to the screen, and releasing primary fire makes you bite...

There is no Pounce attack though...:o

[Pansa]

AvP1 has all three as one button.
For longjump (=pounce) on walls you just press jump while wallwalking :)
which requires you to press the jumpbutton, right , which makes it 2 buttons ?

#1 : crouch wallwalk
#2 : jump

so to wallwalk to jump and to longjump 2 keys are required?

[Adabiviak]

AVP2 is the only multiplayer online game I play, and I don't think the aliens are the toughest. Predators are the easiest to do well with, as their arsenal is pretty good, and all you need to do to recharge is find a quiet spot. Marines have a decent arsenal and only need to run across the health spots to recharge. Aliens? To get more life, you have to eat a corpse. If the corpses frag, no food. It takes a long time squatting over a corpse to get your life back, too, and since the bodies disappear after a time, I always find myself not caring about how much life I have left because it's too dangerous trying to find cadavers in safe places. The only time the long jumps kill in one hit is if somebody's armor is down and they are weakened. They can also spin around, and while you are desperately pawing at their face trying to finish them, they'll either (depending on the weapon) still kill you or commit suicide. If they use the shotgun, they'll die horribly, but you still miss the frag. The reason I play the alien (runner, to be exact) is because it is indeed harder to do well, and I enjoy that challenge.

[Micki!]

AVP2 is the only multiplayer online game I play, and I don't think the aliens are the toughest. Predators are the easiest to do well with, as their arsenal is pretty good, and all you need to do to recharge is find a quiet spot. Marines have a decent arsenal and only need to run across the health spots to recharge. Aliens? To get more life, you have to eat a corpse. If the corpses frag, no food. It takes a long time squatting over a corpse to get your life back, too, and since the bodies disappear after a time, I always find myself not caring about how much life I have left because it's too dangerous trying to find cadavers in safe places. The only time the long jumps kill in one hit is if somebody's armor is down and they are weakened. They can also spin around, and while you are desperately pawing at their face trying to finish them, they'll either (depending on the weapon) still kill you or commit suicide. If they use the shotgun, they'll die horribly, but you still miss the frag. The reason I play the alien (runner, to be exact) is because it is indeed harder to do well, and I enjoy that challenge.

I never tried regular Multiplayer in AVP2... I fell in love with AJL mod before i got to try it out... :D

In AJL, the Aliens are one of the superior races... since regaining heatlh by "clawing" corpses is a bad idea in general, it's good the the Bite attack is controlable... Bites take rather big amounts of heatlh (anywhere on a dead body) and headbites give extra much health... (it's a very powerfull attacks too, but pretty hard to hit with, so i prefer using tail in battles)

And if a body blows up, no problems... Arms, legs and heads are lying all over the place, which you can bite and regain heatlh with...:cool:

In AJL any spicies regains health automaticly (very slowly... But while Predators can regain faster with the medicomp, and Aliens by eating, Humans need support classes to drop bags of ammo and health...

It's really cool.. :cool:

[Cerberus_e]

I'm curious Micki!, it's a long time ago you played the game probably, do you in fact recognize most of the locations I take a screenshot of? Do you feel the nostalgia? Or don't you recognize much at all?

This waterfall for example, you HAVE to recognize it, so beautiful. waaw :D

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3613/avp396fv.jpg

And what about most other screenshots of me?
By the way, limbs falling off aliens happens as well in Aliens versus Predator, it's nothing exclusive to the AJL mod ;)
I have a beautiful screenshot of a PredAlien that lost its tail AND legs, and is crawling towards me :) Stay tuned for the next update in "what did you play most recently". I can't post it now because someone has to reply first with what he/she played most recently, you know, I don't want to doublepost :D

[Micki!]

i do unfortunately not recognize all of the screenshots... most of them ring a bell though..

Anyways, Yeah, Aleins can loose limbs in AVP... and also in the Regular AVP2 game... BUT, that is only AI enemies... In AJL you can actually loose the limb as a PLAYER... (it's multiplayer only anyways)
I don't know if the regualr AVP2 Multiplayer has this too, but it sure as hell works just fine in AJL mod...

You can lose your arm/hand (or both arms/hands), a leg/foot, or your tail...
when you lose a foot/leg, you can't move for long... You can only crawl, and crawling gives a massive blood loss... So you're pretty much ****** if that happens...

When you lose a limb, your maximum health wull decrease to the half, and of course you also lose the advantage you had with whatever limb you just losed...

It's so much easyer to tell when playing it though... :o

I never tried losing both arms before, but i expreienced other players losing them...

Man, i should install that game on my new PC... But the mod file is still located in the backup folder on my old PC's HDD... :( and i don't wanna download that mod again...

[Cerberus_e]

Don't you have a network connecting your PCs in your house? That's terrible.
Also, the mod can't be that big, right?

[Micki!]

It's not like i can't get it copied to my new PC...
I'm just waiting for my second HDD... My PC was supposed to ship woth two, but some problems occured, so i currently only have 1...

I'll move everything i have now over to that HDD instead, including my backup files from the old PC...
Untill then, it wouldn't pay to put everything on my new PC, if it's all going to be moved on the other HDD when it arrives anyways...

The AJL mod is 38.32 MB... according to Filefront
http://aliensvspredator2.filefront.com/file/AJL_Modification;41508

And then there's a patch for it, fixing some minor issues etc, 7.55 MB
http://aliensvspredator2.filefront.com/file/AJLModificationPatch;44548

Maybe i should get it anyways..! :o

[BloodShed]

Alien Trilogy is also pretty scary (the soundtrack set a really good atmosphere)

[Micki!]

I love the music from the Aliens movies... and most of the soundtracks from the games too... :cool:

[Cerberus_e]

I completed the singleplayer campaign.
On to the bonus levels :dopefish:
The bonus levels aren't anything new, they're just levels from other species, played with another species.
For example, the Temple level is a level from the Aliens, but at the same time also a bonus level of both the Colonial Marine and the Predator, so I'll see this level from three perspectives. (which is weird since I didn't encounter Predators in the Temple level :))
It will be interesting to play levels from another perspective that way :)
Each species has 5 bonus levels, though I only unlocked 4 bonus levels of each species because I played on Realistic instead of Director's Cut.
But I have a savegame with everything unlocked, downloaded, so :)

[Micki!]

There is a cheat for AVP2 that makes you able to change to any character in any mission... pretty funny, but sometimes you can't proceed that way (For instance, Aliens can't open doors like humans and Predators)

Anyways, playing with cheats is something i only do after beating a game...
Now you know at least... Just in case you'd want to play form another perspective in AVP2 too... :D

[Cerberus_e]

It's not quite the same, since the mission would be exactly the same anyway with that cheat.
Whereas in AvP1, now I'm playing the "invasion" bonus level as the alien, which is normally a Marine mission.
As the marine you have to turn off 5 valves and thene scape by spaceship while lots of aliens spawn from everywhere.
While as the alien you have to get out of the building but some doors are closed, and some corridors you normally could walk in as the marine are blocked by automatic turrets who shoot aliens on sight, so you have to find alternative routes through ventilation shafts and gaps in the floors/ceilings and stuff... pretty fun to find alternate ways of levels you already know the layout of (since I played the level as a marine already).

[BloodShed]

Skirmish in AvP1 was very fun too bad it did'nt make it in AvP2 -_-

[Micki!]

It's not quite the same, since the mission would be exactly the same anyway with that cheat.
Whereas in AvP1, now I'm playing the "invasion" bonus level as the alien, which is normally a Marine mission.
As the marine you have to turn off 5 valves and thene scape by spaceship while lots of aliens spawn from everywhere.
While as the alien you have to get out of the building but some doors are closed, and some corridors you normally could walk in as the marine are blocked by automatic turrets who shoot aliens on sight, so you have to find alternative routes through ventilation shafts and gaps in the floors/ceilings and stuff... pretty fun to find alternate ways of levels you already know the layout of (since I played the level as a marine already).

I know... But that cheat is the closests you can get in AVP2...

[Cerberus_e]

Yes, I'll probably play some skirmish too :) Too bad it's only deathmatch.

[BloodShed]

Yes, I'll probably play some skirmish too :) Too bad it's only deathmatch.

so? you can still play alone against an unlimited horde of Aliens ^_^

[Cerberus_e]

I was already satisfied after I was fighting 3 PredAliens, 6 Aliens and a Praetorian at the same time in a singleplayer level :D

[AcidGlow]

Skirmish in AvP1 was very fun too bad it did'nt make it in AvP2 -_-

There are quite a few custom maps that have skirmish mode enabled.

I liked AvPGE Single Player for the:
-good ai (avp2's ai sucked)
-BETTER lighting effects over avp2
-like the deaths of ppl when they blew up
-acid damage was actually lethal in close range from a grenade
(in avp2, you can nade an alien in point blank range, he dies and you walk off with little acid damge.. wtf?)
-liked some weapons more then avp2's versions
-SP was actually scary and hard on Director's Cut (although I passed only marine and pred, never liked alien though..)

I liked AvP2 for multiplayer for the:
-bigger maps
-more weapons
-class weapon styled characters
-it was a bit more team oriented with class weapons on

(I hated the stun effect in avp2.. that was damn terrible, along with alot of other things).They are both pretty good games in their own way. Alot of AVPGE players hate AvP2 cause of the "slower speed", as if they can only play with characters running at turbo speeds holding a heavy minigun, or speed hop "glitching" with an alien.. AvP2's slower speed is different but I find it was better suited.

[Paroxysm]

The unbalanced multiplayer of Avp was what made it awsome for us. Games were never about points but about the atmosphere. People should freak out when you see the flash of an alien, you should be ****ed if you lose the rest of your team. The person playing the predator should be a bastard that toys with everyone else.