Violent video games spur aggression in kids?

[Belgarrath]

Review of studies finds strong short-term effects, especially in boys (http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527504.html)

[Daveman]

Too much of anything is bad...

And I don't think you'll find an argument here that violent video games should be kept out of the hands of small children...

[Cerberus_e]

I read the first few lines and it's already BS.
I never expected blood to fly out of someone that's shot.
not even as a (little) child.

well, now I know that it will happen when you shoot someone in the veins that start from the heart (= not go to the heart) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ZuljinRaynor]

Not more of the BS.
This is the truth: Studies have prooved that video games DECREASE youth violence.
I guess they think they messed up somewhere. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Daveman]

ZuljinRaynor said:
Studies have prooved that video games DECREASE youth violence.



Not exactly, studies (from the U.S. Department of Justice) have shown that violence as a whole in our culture, particularly youth violence, has decreased dramatically since the 1980s, but whether its as a result of video game use is unknown.

[Reaper]

Daveman has his shit screwed on tight.

Here's the thing: Studies can prove anything they goddamn well please, but there's no validity unless it's a perfect test environmen, the test results aren't tainted, and all the variables and ethnic groups are accounted for, which is a very hard task, if not an impossible one. Most often, the head researcher's viewpoint on the matter will skew results in their favor.

I'd like to know which scientists conducted either of these studies, because I doubt they are very reputable ones. They just seem to be in it for the media coverage.

Lastly, I don't see why anyone pays attention to Belgarath: He's just a VG violence monger. It reminds me of how the US gov't attempts to force every other country into adopting Democracy. Of course, they usually don't listen, and the US army ends up being withdrawn.

[Belgarrath]

Reaper said:

I'd like to know which scientists conducted either of these studies, because I doubt they are very reputable ones. They just seem to be in it for the media coverage.



You obviously didn't read the article. It says right in it who they are and who their with. Not reputable, lol. You're using typical tactics here. Discrediting offensive material by first trying to debunk the source. Then give "your" reason for it as "their" reason.


Lastly, I don't see why anyone pays attention to Belgarath: He's just a VG violence monger. It reminds me of how the US gov't attempts to force every other country into adopting Democracy. Of course, they usually don't listen, and the US army ends up being withdrawn.



Can you over-exxagerate any further? I didn't write the article. I merely came across it.

[Jules Verne]

First I'd like to say I have not read the study you link to yet, but have read previous one's like it. Here's my 2 cents:

They need to start looking at: under what circumstances does which element of what kinds of video-games further which kinds of aggression toward whom in which people with what upbringing/socioeconomic status/health status/ etc. And oh yes, this is doable in research. If there was a simple 1:1 relation among games and violence, we would see a generation of murderers, which is clearly not the case.

Or why not turn it around? Why do the (few) people who are unhealthily preoccupied with aggression seek out videogames? My guess would be: it occupies their attention so fully that they forget whatever anxiety/stress they are under for the time being, and it's the underlying stress that eventually causes the violence. Does it inspire them to use certain methods over others? People have commited murders inspired by such things as the Holy Bible, so is it not just a case of psychotic persons being highly influenced by whatever they are exposed to, be it cinema, books, or what have you?

Also we need a sociocultural study of: why has it become a socially established practice among some groups to blame video-games? People knitting right before they get up and shoot someone do not cause investigations of knitwork's influence on aggression. Which ends does it further to find a simple answer like this? What does it make us not look at?

Reaper: that scientific experiments are most often skewed by the head researcher's opinion is some claim to make, and I highly doubt it's based on experience on your part? But correct me if I'm wrong. Your opinion, if it were true, just strands us in knee-deep intellectual mud, not being able to research anything or understand anything more fully; what happens then? Opinion and subjective emotion is king! So no, research is not perfect, and yes, it's the best we've got. Most scientists evolve their hypotheses and ideas on an on-going basis, whenever data from an experiment contradicts their original thoughts about the matter at hand. That doesn't mean that some won't cling to an idea even though it has little support (which is a good thing for science overall), but in the long run, if the data isn't there, it will die out as a line of research.

[pec]

What I'm more concerned about is psychological violence which takes place every day, when kids punish each other, especially in social situations, in school, etc. And when the f**kin' teachers do nothing about it and just let it happen. And often teachers and adults are the ones who commit psychological violence on kids and not the other way round. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Or psychological violence which sometimes takes place on internet forums.

The human soul is much more fragile than the human body!

That's why I think rapers should be hunted and locked off in jail forever! And videogames have nothing to do with that kind of violence. It exists in every one of us!

The only thing everyone of us can do is to control his/her violent tendencies. But violence always existed and will always exist, regardless of videogames.

They should do something against psycho terror and not against violent videogames...

[Reaper]

You're right, Jules, I was talking out of my arse, basically. I'm just fed up with finding these kinds of topics on the forums. This place is for game discussion, not game politics discussion, as far as I am concerned.

I guess I should just learn to keep my nose out of these types of threads. Frankly, I don't give two shits what new study or lawsuit they've come up with. I don't care what new sports license some hot shot game studio has bought up. I come here to share my experiences and thoughts on the substance of games.

[FireFly]

There are huge, huge flaws in these studies:

Evaluating the Research on Violent Video Games - Department of Psychology, University of Toronto (http://culturalpolicy.uchicago.edu/conf2001/papers/freedman.html)

[Gatinater]

Just because someone is a scientist and has a degee doesn't mean he or she can't be wrong. Plenty of *******s have a degrees.

[Rico]

Belgarrath said:
Review of studies finds strong short-term effects, especially in boys (http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527504.html)



YOU KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT OR ILL @#$&*&@%# KILL YOU!!!

AHHHHH I MUST GO PERFORM A VIOLENT ACT NOW!

*runs off screaming gibberish about violence and GTA*

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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Gatinater said:
Just because someone is a scientist and has a degee doesn't mean he or she can't be wrong. Plenty of *******s have a degrees.



I would think Jack Thompson is the living proof....