Most underrated games

[kylemf88]

I think to many great games these days get looked over for some stupid reason. So lets just talk about what you guys think are some of the most underrated games ever.

First on my list are dark forces one and two. I think these are some of if not the best star wars games ever. I have to say these are some of my favorite fps games ever. (I know they didn't do bad but I think they were better) Second, Swat 4 was a very good fps. I think this is one of the best tactical games I ever played. Also its mp was just great.

Now for some smaller ones that aren’t great but better than they said. First off, True crimes streets of L.A. was a pretty good game. Allot of people act like it was horrible when I enjoyed it better than any gta. The same goes for Driver 3 imo. Another being the punisher game. I think it was a very good game and most people don't understand that max payne’s character is a huge rip off of punisher so this game was titled a max payne clone. But this is coming from a huge fan of the comics. I know I have others but they just don't stand out as much.

So lets hear some of yours. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Nessus]

Rune, alot of people trash it but I found it to be alot of fun.

[Dr. Kill]

State of Emergency. A lot of people hate it, but they probably only played the PS2 version. When it was ported to XBox, they added power ups, and took out a lot of crappy missions.

Blood. Tied with Duke 3D as the greatest shooter ever for me.

Manhunt. A lot of people hated it cause it was "repetitive", but I love it.

GTA 3. Yes, you've read right. GTA 3 used to be every one's favorite, but now they think San Andreas is "so great". I hate San Andreas and Vice City. They don't even compare to GTA 3. GTA 3 was so much more serious. After that, they turned the games into a bad joke.

[laffer]

The Longest Journey, a Norwegian adventure game (also released in English) was very good and did not get the attention it deserved by far.

Grim Fandango is another very, very good adventure game which did not sell by far as much as it should have.

Myst IV was excellent and did not sell that well either.

[DudeMiester]

TrackMania Sunrise

[Mountain Man]

I'd say Freedom Force and its follow-up Freedom Force vs. the 3rd Reich.

[Sayantan]

Manhunt
Alice
FAKK2 (for the artwork and the awesome visualizing).

....... can't think of anything more. I'm sure there's more.

[Thriller]

Little Big Adventures 2. Not that its not loved by the ones who have played it, but too few have. An adventure thats probably a great experience even today (if you can find it). Might add the original as well.



The Longest Journey, a Norwegian adventure game (also released in English) was very good and did not get the attention it deserved by far.

I only played the demo, Swedish version. The voiceacting was suprisingly good anyway.

[Otto von Keisinger]

Clive Barker's Undying. Most people on this board never even heard of it, much less played it or recognize my avatar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Sir Lemonhead]

Otto von Keisinger said:
Clive Barker's Undying. Most people on this board never even heard of it, much less played it or recognize my avatar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Have, have and did http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Orochi Avlis]

It's a portrait you can see when you use that seeing spell.

[Otto von Keisinger]

Fortunately, you aren't most people, eh? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Otto von Keisinger]

Actually, it's cut from the original concept art that was used for that scrye scene. But you do know who is, right?

[Gryph]

Rise of the Triad. The multiplayer component was really ahead of its time. And you have to love LUDICROUS GIBS!

[Dr. Kill]

Gryph said:
LUDICROUS GIBS!



I like the sound of that!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[avatar_58]

Ultima VII: Black Gate & Serpent Isle - If you haven't played these two I cannot stress enough to GO DO IT NOW!

Blade Runner - The westwood adventure game. It strayed from the movie but that only made it more fun. A very good game.

Chrono Trigger - You hear so much about Final Fantasy that this game is overlooked. I'm glad I rented it back when I had a SNES, because I could have missed a gem

One Must Fall 2097 - Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat are nice, but this one is my fav fighter of all time. The ability to upgrade and buy different robots was great.

Quest for Glory V - Fans begged to have this one developed and when it was....they shat on it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif Due to that I missed my chance to own it and actually had to resort to other methods. Its NOT as bad as people claim. If you don't fear change and 3D then its a great addition to the series.

[cladinshadows]

Sir_Lemonhead said:

Otto von Keisinger said:
Clive Barker's Undying. Most people on this board never even heard of it, much less played it or recognize my avatar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Have, have and did http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Great game, one of my favorites. I can't wait to see how Demonik turns out.

My underrated games:

HyperBlade
Gunman: Chronicles
Shogo: Mobile Armor Division.

1) The only people I've known who played Hyperblade was my friend Brian. it was a wonderful game that let you decapitate other players - like Hockey gone horribly wrong!

2)Gunman: Chronicles was a great game. I can still remember blowing up a house with a tank to reveal it's framework http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif. So cool.

3)Shogo got awards, but I don't really remember anyone actually playing it besides 3 friends and I. Other then that no one really mentioned it.

[Blade Nightflame]

Dr. Kill said:
GTA 3. Yes, you've read right. GTA 3 used to be every one's favorite, but now they think San Andreas is "so great". I hate San Andreas and Vice City. They don't even compare to GTA 3. GTA 3 was so much more serious. After that, they turned the games into a bad joke.



Don't you ***** diss around Vice City. I STILL have GTA 3 and SA installed and I play VC the most out of all the 3.

As for the underrated games..
SiN, despite it coming a bit too soon or too late, it would've made great sales if Valve never THOUGHT OF HALF LIFE 1.

Rune, as one of the posters somewhere above, it was a great game. Set off in a viking era, I liked what you were able to do there.

Shogo, damn. Another good game disrespected, bunch of HL 1 fanatics.. It has that similar "Gundam" like idea to it, except better. I like the whole game at most.

Soldier of Fortune 1, now THERE's a game with a LOT of potential. Add some SiN things and you have a sure anti-HL 1. Very excellent, I still have it on my disc along with SoF 2. (Needs lip-sync.. x.x; )

Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project. Yes, I still find it extremly fun and funny to play around. Shame most people don't like the whole concept again. Lousy bunch of FPS-humpers.

Little Big Adventure 2, now THERE'S a game that shouldn't be underrated. Very fun to play with, good storyline, albeit not as hard as LBA 1. But it's still very, VERY good.

There could be more but I'm not sure as of yet.

[Paroxysm]

Relentless (AKA Little Big Adventure) 1&2, The bizzare adventures of woodruff and the schrnibble, Darklight conflict... other stuff!


laffer said:
The Longest Journey, a Norwegian adventure game (also released in English) was very good and did not get the attention it deserved by far.


In adventure game circles at least I'd consider it a highly overrated game.

[Cerberus_e]

- SiN: only 7.7 on gamespot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif while it does things lots of new games don't do anymore
- Doom 3: lots of people complain it plays the same way as doom, and see that as disadvantage http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SyntaxN]

-Manhunt, many screamed it´s just a gory mess, but it´s more intelligent that many 3rd person games I´ve played so far in terms of gameplay! (for the first hours) Some people also said it has *no* atmosphere, I´m talking about those people who run through games they don´t want to like so they have reasons for themselve to say that it sucks...
-DOOM³, it´s your own problem when you don´t want to read PDA´s, watch documentation videos etc...! Yeah, I know it´s so much cooler to post and speculate about why the combines took over earth and why the gman talks so much senseless stuff http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[FireFly]

MDK2 - Perfect blend of gameplay styles
Unreal 2 XMP - Criminally underrated and now amost dead, there's a ton of depth here.
Halo - Underrated by PC users at least. Probably overrated amongst console users.


Cerberus_e said:
- SiN: only 7.7 on gamespot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Well, it did have crippling bugs on launch.

[Dr. Kill]

Blade Nightflame said:

Don't you ***** diss around Vice City. I STILL have GTA 3 and SA installed and I play VC the most out of all the 3.




Hey, I wasn't going to lie. I don't like VC or SA as much as 3. Never will. GTA 3 just had a darker style. I like dark games, with dark humor (Blood, Manhunt, GTA 3). I just don't like how much of a comedy VC and SA are. I want more brutality, and less humor. BTW, I don't hate VC as much as SA, I played Vice yesterday. I have 3 copies of GTA 3, 2 copies of VC, and 2 copies of SA. Even though the last two in the series seemed heavily over-rated to me, I'll still get GTA 4 when it comes out.

[crunchy superman]

Rune (best multiplayer EVER!)
Undying (one of the coolest & creepiest games I've ever played!)
Wheel of Time (released right between Q3 & UT - never had a chance)

[Cerberus_e]

GTA: SA overrated?
it's probably the best game I played during the 2 month holidays.
I think the game is 3 times better than I expected it to be.


FireFly said:
Halo - Underrated by PC users at least. Probably overrated amongst console users.




yes, I was surprised when playing it, that it wasn't THAT bad.
it was like the average FPS.
the demo at least, maybe I will change my mind if I ever play the library (I doubt I'll ever play the game)


FireFly said:

Cerberus_e said:
- SiN: only 7.7 on gamespot http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Well, it did have crippling bugs on launch.



yes, it makes sense, especially after my SiN problem thread http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


SyntaxN said:
-DOOM³, it´s your own problem when you don´t want to read PDA´s, watch documentation videos etc...! Yeah, I know it´s so much cooler to post and speculate about why the combines took over earth and why the gman talks so much senseless stuff http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



I agree, I hate it when people say doom 3 has no story, while it has more story than the average FPS... it even has more story than some of the best FPS games!
I also hate it when people claim the story is a half-life rip-off, while DOOM is from 1993 and HL from 1998, what kind of sense does that comment make then?

[docded]

Otto von Keisinger said:
Clive Barker's Undying.


Agreed http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

Cerberus_e said:
I also hate it when people claim the story is a half-life rip-off, while DOOM is from 1993 and HL from 1998, what kind of sense does that comment make then?


They mean the teleporter, border world, and experimentation stuff.

[Cerberus_e]

FireFly said:

Cerberus_e said:
I also hate it when people claim the story is a half-life rip-off, while DOOM is from 1993 and HL from 1998, what kind of sense does that comment make then?


They mean the teleporter, border world, and experimentation stuff.



how is that a rip-off of half-life when that was present in doom?

[Opus131]

Blade Nightflame said:
Shogo, damn. Another good game disrespected, bunch of HL 1 fanatics..



Terrible engine and heavy bugs did the game in.

Selective memory is cool...

[Beelze]

The only underrated game I can think of, at the moment, is Planescape: Torment. I'm not sure how solid it was when it was released, but it was really nice when I played it last year.

Neither Doom 3 or Undying are underrated games, IMO. If anything, the former was overrated by the media.

[Damien_Azreal]

Opus131 said:

Blade Nightflame said:
Shogo, damn. Another good game disrespected, bunch of HL 1 fanatics..



Terrible engine and heavy bugs did the game in.

Selective memory is cool...



But fully patched, much like SiN, the game is very stable and very kick ass.

I'm gonna have to say...

Shogo: MAD - Fully patched it's aweseom, it did have a rough launch though.

SiN - Same as Shogo.

Daikatana - Yeah, it wasn't the best... but it is pretty fun, team mates suck though.

Deus Ex: IW - True, it doesn't come close to the original but based on it's own rights it's still a great game. Even if a bit buggy. But with PC's today the performance problems are completely gone.

Clive Barker's the Undying - Just didn't get the attention it deserved.

Chaser - Same as above, and while some levels can be a bit confusing as to were to go, it's still a fun game.

Red Faction - Didn't get enough attention, kindof overlooked due to it's low retail price.

That's all I can think of right now. Give me time and I'll have more.

[Opus131]

Damien_Azreal said:
But fully patched, much like SiN, the game is very stable and very kick ass.




I was just commenting on the 'damn Half Life 1 fanboys' part.

For the record, i liked both Shogo and especially Sin... after their respective patching.

[Damien_Azreal]

Opus131 said:

Damien_Azreal said:
But fully patched, much like SiN, the game is very stable and very kick ass.




I was just commenting on the 'damn Half Life 1 fanboys' part.

For the record, i liked both Shogo and especially Sin... after their respective patching.



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Theonewayman]

Severance:Blade of Darkness - The best ack&slash game ever made, but it was a selling fiasco and made the developers RAS (RebelAct Studios) go under http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif. It was the most advanced graficaly game in is time (2001), was the first ever to use volumetric shadows and dinamic lights ala Doom3, the first to use rigid body physics and water reflections, as you guys see a good game and engine but was beaten my a more tecnicaly weak game Rune, BOD was very demanding on computer hardware(even today) and that was is doom. But don´t take me wrong this game is not dead for the contrary it is alive and well because of a good fan base, you can see it in this links.


BOD web page (http://www.codemasters.com/severance/eng/Index2.htm)

BOD fan forum (http://www.arokhslair.net/forum/forum.asp?FORUM_ID=11)


p.s- sorry for the bad english http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif.

[pec]

Otto von Keisinger said:
Clive Barker's Undying. Most people on this board never even heard of it, much less played it or recognize my avatar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Hey! I like Undying very much! It's one of my most favorite Unreal Engine based games and the only shooter with a horror theme, after Blood. I even got all the Undying user-made maps ever made by the community. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Remember the WaterWorm thing from Undying I talked about in that old locked Prey thread of mine?

[Dr. Kill]

Cerberus_e said:
GTA: SA overrated?




I think so. Fun for a while, but for a game called Grand Theft Auto, you spend more time in planes, boats, helicopters, jetpacks... I like things plain and simple. Cars, guns, hookers, blood, gore, motorcycles, car chases. That's all I expect, or want from a game called Grand Theft Auto. Just my oppinion, anyway. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Drazula]

TRON 2.0 PERIOD!

[December Man]

Cerberus_e said:
GTA: SA overrated?



LOLZ. Of course. The ending especially - was boring like hell while in VC and GTA3 it was dynamic and cool.

[Damien_Azreal]

Otto von Keisinger said:
Clive Barker's Undying. Most people on this board never even heard of it, much less played it or recognize my avatar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



You haven't been here very long have you?

Lot's (if not tons) of people on this board like/love the Undying.

[Remy]

I know lots of the games on this list are on the lists guys posted before me, but so what? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

One Must Fall 2097 - Still the best Beat 'em Up for the PC. 'Nuff said!
Shogo - Just can't go wrong with anime style Mechas.
Silent Storm - Old school turn based strategy in an alternative WW2 setting, fully destructable environments and a complexity that rivals Jagged Alliance 2.
VtM: Bloodlines - Sloppy programming, a sub-optimized engine and lots of bugs, sure. But the fanmade patches eliminate most of the story bugs and if your PC can handle it you get to play an amazing Deus Ex-style RPG/FPS.
VtM: Redemption - It's typical Hack 'n Slay, but it's Hack 'n Slay with a great story, great characters, great voice acting, great music (Kevin Manthei!!!) and the very atmospheric Tower of London location.
TRON 2.0 - I love the graphics, I love the computer humor, I love the gameplay!
Gorky 17 - Reminds me a lot of Incubation (which would be another inductee for this list).

Probably more to come...

[Spyd]

Theonewayman said:
Severance:Blade of Darkness


The story of this game is remarkable for itself. But not the game's story, but the development story.

This game was programmed in Spain, and had to be released at the same time as Quake (the first one), but with spilling water/blood physics and dynamic shadows, and three unique characters to use through the game with really different gameplay mechanics.

But it slipped too many times, and when at last was released, it was in a far-from finished way, and while the game is really good and original, the repeated delays did make it seem graphically dated for the time was released; and at the same time the enlarged development time eated too many money, so the development company had to close because the game didn't sell well.

I have a limited special edition of this game, hand signed by the development crew, as I was a big fan of this game back when it was in development. Some of the official forum users that followed the development got the privilege to buy this signed special edition.

The next project from this company had to be a RPG using Severance's engine... we'll never see it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[December Man]

Hm. I think The Suffering was underrated a bit.

70% is an average.

It has it's fans, it is a hit, but it's kinda an underground hit.

[FireFly]

Cerberus_e said:
how is that a rip-off of half-life when that was present in doom?


Well, it wasn't stated that to teleport anywhere you had to go through Hell. It didn't say that demons were retrieved and stored for experimentation. Yeah, the portal opened as a result of the teleportation experiments, but I think people were reacting to the teleporter based gameplay sequence near the end Doom 3, which seems similar to the events in the Lambda Complex.

[Cerberus_e]

Dr. Kill said:

Cerberus_e said:
GTA: SA overrated?




I think so. Fun for a while, but for a game called Grand Theft Auto, you spend more time in planes, boats, helicopters, jetpacks... I like things plain and simple. Cars, guns, hookers, blood, gore, motorcycles, car chases. That's all I expect, or want from a game called Grand Theft Auto. Just my oppinion, anyway. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



well, you can still keep it simple, you want car crashes? go to any highway, park your car in the middle of the road, and the dumb AI will do the rest http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
chain car crashes http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif


Drazula said:
TRON 2.0 PERIOD!



average gameplay, but great graphics, and humour, and ideas http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
the light cycles are very good gameplay though, but the combat was pretty so-so.


December Man said:

Cerberus_e said:
GTA: SA overrated?



LOLZ. Of course. The ending especially - was boring like hell while in VC and GTA3 it was dynamic and cool.



oh, haven't played a GTA game between GTA2 and san andreas

[Cerberus_e]

FireFly said:

Cerberus_e said:
how is that a rip-off of half-life when that was present in doom?


Well, it wasn't stated that to teleport anywhere you had to go through Hell. It didn't say that demons were retrieved and stored for experimentation. Yeah, the portal opened as a result of the teleportation experiments, but I think people were reacting to the teleporter based gameplay sequence near the end Doom 3, which seems similar to the events in the Lambda Complex.



you don't need to be a genius to invent you have to go to hell by entering the same portal the enemies use to go to Mars http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Morbid]

my #1 is Wheel Of Time:

it had a great story, amazing architecture, 40 kinds of spells, nice effects (portals!), original gameplay and multiplayer - a shame that it got burried by Q3 and UT.

Undying, System Shock 1&2 fit in that category too... great horror games with great stories, very atmospheric and with interesting gameplay mechanics

others: Blood, SiN, Chaser, Grim Fandango, U2XMP...

read and let us all cry http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif ... http://archive.gamespy.com/articles/september03/25underrated/

[jimbob]

lets see,

the journeyman project. loved it as a kid, still have it somewhere on CD.

Alone in the dark, slightly before my time using computers, but from what i hear and see today everybody keeps forgetting that little gem http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Deus ex obviously

Clive barkers undying. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Kingpin

The longest journey. awesome adventure. one i still have to finish http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

the carmageddon series, loved by many for the wrong reasons ( soley for the gore ) but in reality it was also technically the most advanced racing game for its time ( and still damn good in many ways up untill this day )

one of the ( if not The ) first games to use Physics to great extent ( knocking over light posts, barriers etc etc ) and evenmoreso in Carma 2, wich also seems to have a form of early Ragdoll systems, wel, physics on characters atleast http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif )

the ground you drive on also has different types of structure, bumpyness, friction.

real time decals on pretty much anything ( like skidmarks, bloodstains )

the city`s were absolutly the most biggest open ended levels ever seen in a race game at the time, and even some time later. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

man, even thinking about it gives me great respect for the carmageddon team.

erm...

wel..

more games!

the nolf series is a bit underapericiated too, the games are damn fun and play smooth. and they still look good too!

Full throttle, never really got the attention it deserved. it has some great features! and it plays more like and interactive movie than an standard adventure

Grim fandango, great game.


the dame was loaded, one of my favourite "film noir" esque games. its pretty hard at first since you only got a short time to advance, but after that it just gets better, the acting ( its an FMV adventure ) is pretty damn good too, and the graphis are nice too.


Toonstruck. love this game! its just great. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif its a pretty warped game but still playable by little kids ( 10 and up should be ok )

wel, i conclude my list here. im sure i forgot quite a few but i bet someone else wil post em http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

how can I forget?

<font color="red">Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project</font>
an EXCELLENT throwback at sidescrollers, if only there were more games like that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Dave-ros]

Do I take it the reason no-one's mentioned System Shock 2 is that no-one on these forums has underrated it? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif I certainly never, ever, ever saw it available on budget in this country, but was lucky to find an original copy in a second-hand shop \o/ Maybe it's been out on budget Stateside and is properly recognised... but I never saw anything about it in this country until they mentioned it as a "classic" game in PC Zone. It's a wonderfully scary and involving game, which you can play "however you want", and... look, it's just excellent, okay?!? Stop arguing and buy it!!!!!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

Other than this, I have to agree with those who list Rise of the Triad (devilish traps and great humour), SiN (much less linear than Half-Life), Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project (it's Duke, what more do you need?!) and Tron 2.0 (because I liked the original film), as they are all scandalously-underrated games.

Oh, and don't forget XIII http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif - even if they couldn't correct the mouth movements of real-time-rendered models to match English instead of French dialogue!!! The latest patch even means you don't need a specific one of the four CDs in the drive!

And... Judge Dredd: Dredd vs. Death - it may be a console conversion, but it's still good fun, and Dredd sounds excellent... maybe I'm just too much a fan of the Dark Judges http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gif

And don't forget Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Angel of Life... oh, hang on, that sucked!!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[Simon Charles]

Every time this thread pops up again, I always answer the same games. I feel they are, bar none, the most underrated games ever, deserving much more success than they had:

Grim Fandango

Full Throttle

Psychonauts

Clive Barker's Undying

[Darkblade]

- Anachronox (no sequel, ending of a great story left untold. Annoys the hell out of me.)
- Psychonauts (as well as other Tim Schafer's games, such as Full Throttle and Grim Fandango)
- No One Lives Forever
- Blood 1
- Tron 2.0
- Space Rangers (just released, but I feel it's going to have the same fate as Space Rangers 1.)

[8IronBob]

Most underrated games, huh? Well, lemme see, how do Shadow Warrior, DN:MP, Blood, and GTA:VC all sound to you? I feel that they all deserved better. Shadow Warrior didn't seem to generate the sales that I feel they deserved. Also, DN:MP was in the same boat, it was a chance for Duke to come back to his old self as a sidescroller, and that failed considerably to some gamers. Blood was awesome, but without a Windows port, who in the right mind would wing it with that game anymore? GTA:VC, well, seeing the popularity that GTA 3 had, I'm surprised that the following editions of GTA didn't get the sales or the considerations for their * good * points, it's been all about the negatives about the GTA Series according to the media. I'm telling you, there's gotta be some better solutions for these games. With JonoF's release of JFSW, and the reduction in price to buy SW, I see it as tho it will now get the attention that it finally needs and deserves.

[kylemf88]

I don't think any of the gta games are over or under rated. They just have a horrible story but are fun to drive around and shoot people on. Also this isn't the kind of games I was thinking of. I like I heard people say doom 3. This wasn't an underrated game at all. It was a good game and grate things were said about it. It’s just that you can't make everyone happy. I mean you could say the same for hl2. You can say some people underrate hl2 but that doesn't mean it didn't have great things said about it. (Same with halo I’ll be nice and put that in because that was very loved by X-box owners.)

Wait here is one that is kind of right. Even though it was rated well. Far Cry was passed over by allot of people after doom 3 and hl2 came out. I mean it didn't have the best story but wasn't a bad game.

[FireFly]

Oh, that reminded me, one more - Riddick!

[Gatinater]

It's not that a lot of those games are actually bad it's just that they're boring and when your busy playing other games you just don't play them.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Gryph said:
Rise of the Triad. The multiplayer component was really ahead of its time. And you have to love LUDICROUS GIBS!


Agreed.
After DNF we need: "Return of the Triad" a super new game including the old version of the game maps and characters and stuff remade with 2 versions of the game with old maps and new 5XBigger maps!

[Otto von Keisinger]

pec said:

Otto von Keisinger said:
Clive Barker's Undying. Most people on this board never even heard of it, much less played it or recognize my avatar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Hey! I like Undying very much! It's one of my most favorite Unreal Engine based games and the only shooter with a horror theme, after Blood.


Doom III had a horror theme, but only System Shock 2 and Undying were horror games (or for that matter, even scary). I did love Blood though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


I even got all the Undying user-made maps ever made by the community. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif


Did you get Two Stand Alone, Nightmare pt. 1, and Darkside Caves?


Remember the WaterWorm thing from Undying I talked about in that old locked Prey thread of mine?


Now that you mention it, yes. However, I've completely forgotten the context. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif


Damien_Azreal said:

Otto von Keisinger said:
Clive Barker's Undying. Most people on this board never even heard of it, much less played it or recognize my avatar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



You haven't been here very long have you?


Since April 1st.


Lot's (if not tons) of people on this board like/love the Undying.


I had heard two or three people mention it, but had automatically assumed no one else had. This place contains the second largest number of fans for CBU I've ever seen.


Beelze said:
Planescape: Torment.


Know where I can get it? The last time I saw it I had to choose between it and Undying. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I knew I couldn't really go wrong either way, but it sucked having to make the choice. If I had gone for Planescape: Torment, it would have been my first RPG.


Neither Doom 3 or Undying are underrated games, IMO. If anything, the former was overrated by the media.


How in any way was Undying not underrated? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I'm not sure they even broke even.

As for Doom III, all the negative buzz about it made it seem downright horrible--it was actually a decent game. In that sense, D3 was underrated (although all the prerelease hype made it seem like the second coming).

[Theonewayman]

Spyd said:

Theonewayman said:
Severance:Blade of Darkness


The story of this game is remarkable for itself. But not the game's story, but the development story.

This game was programmed in Spain, and had to be released at the same time as Quake (the first one), but with spilling water/blood physics and dynamic shadows, and three unique characters to use through the game with really different gameplay mechanics.

But it slipped too many times, and when at last was released, it was in a far-from finished way, and while the game is really good and original, the repeated delays did make it seem graphically dated for the time was released; and at the same time the enlarged development time eated too many money, so the development company had to close because the game didn't sell well.

I have a limited special edition of this game, hand signed by the development crew, as I was a big fan of this game back when it was in development. Some of the official forum users that followed the development got the privilege to buy this signed special edition.

The next project from this company had to be a RPG using Severance's engine... we'll never see it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif




Yes you are right in some things that you said, but other hi must disagree, yes the game was rushed, but that didn´t affect the SP experience that is even today unmateched by games of the same kind, the problem was the MP component that is laggy even on LAN and was a last minute adition(not RAS guilty but Codemasters). I must also disagree of what you said about the game being graphically dated, can you show me a 2001 game with better graphics, not quake nor Rune not even Unreal come close to the BOD engine in terms of eyecandy. The doom of this game and company was not only the long development time and the rushing of the game, but was the company on ambition on making a game very advanced for is time.

p.s- Some of the RAS developers made a new company called DigitalLegends Entertaiment the ones that are making ONE for the Ngage, and they will also make a game called NightfallDragons that will contain the BOD game mecanics, but that only if they gain sufficient money with ONE. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[big fat lazy]

Hitman, Hitman 2, Hitman 3. Not perfect for sure, but very underrated compared to Splinter Cell games.

No One Lives forever, NOLF2. Overshadowed by more popular FPS's.

Jagged Alliance and JA2. They have, IMO, some of the best characters and best voice acting in any game.

Day of Defeat. Way better than Counter-Strike. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Paroxysm]

FireFly said:
MDK2 - Perfect blend of gameplay styles



MDK > Anything > MDK2

[thefly]

Gryph said:
Rise of the Triad. The multiplayer component was really ahead of its time. And you have to love LUDICROUS GIBS!



Yup. My favorite deathmatch game to date.

[cladinshadows]

Excuse me if this has already been posted but <font color="red">Blood Omen:Legacy of Kain </font>. It's just awesome. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Neptune]

Daikatana: I love it. I never saw any problems with it except the whiny, stupid, little bitches that were ---------------------

EDIT:*Sorry, guys, It just really gets me. I actually loved Daiaktana.*

Undying: Still one of my favs. Play it all the time.

Savage: great fun.

Shadow Warrior: Goes without saying

But, as alot of people know, the most underated game of all time, IMO, is also my favorite game of all time. Truly a masterpiece. It blows every other FPS out of the water, including HL2, Halo 2, Doom 3, Far Cry, all of it: POOF!

http://www.armchairempire.com/images/Reviews/pc/giants-citizen-kabuto/kabuto-b.jpg

<font color="green"> GIANTS: CITIZEN KABUTO </font>

[Viper Knight]

Boppin'! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

[gungriffon geona]

Anyone who doesn't know about Cybernator for the SNES is dead in my eyes. the game is incredibly fun, but rediculously underated. It's one of those games that has a special place in my heart, being one of the first games that I truely loved, and quite frankly still love.

And I repeat: Anyone who doesn't know about Cybernator for the SNES isn't a hardcore gamer.

[Drazula]

Or they think consoles suck the wobbly warhead.

[Soothsayer]

FireFly said:
Oh, that reminded me, one more - Riddick!



Ah, I just completed that game a few days ago after having it languish on my hard drive for around a year. IMO it's not so much an under rated game, as most gaming sites and magazines gave it excellent reviews. It just wasn't hyped up like Half Life 2 or Doom 3 and it was one of those "quiet achievers". Either way it's an awesome game that I liked even better than HL2 and Doom3. Very well paced with a good mix of action and stealth. Voice acting was excellent and IMO the best cinematic game out there. Any idea what engine was used for the game?

[Cerberus_e]

Otto von Keisinger said:

pec said:

Otto von Keisinger said:
Clive Barker's Undying. Most people on this board never even heard of it, much less played it or recognize my avatar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Hey! I like Undying very much! It's one of my most favorite Unreal Engine based games and the only shooter with a horror theme, after Blood.


Doom III had a horror theme, but only System Shock 2 and Undying were horror games (or for that matter, even scary). I did love Blood though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




so doom 3 isn't a horror game? WTF?
blood and flesh isgrowing on the walls http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif


Otto von Keisinger said:
(although all the prerelease hype made it seem like the second coming).



what do you want? it is! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


gungriffon geona said:
Anyone who doesn't know about Cybernator for the SNES is dead in my eyes. the game is incredibly fun, but rediculously underated. It's one of those games that has a special place in my heart, being one of the first games that I truely loved, and quite frankly still love.

And I repeat: Anyone who doesn't know about Cybernator for the SNES isn't a hardcore gamer.



the reason why you love it is because it's the (one of the) first game(s) you played.
it's ridiculous to say people that don'tknow the game aren't hardcore gamers http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif
saying that with wolf3D or so makes more sense.

[Farlander]

Although X-Wing is generally considered a very good game, I feel it is often underrated when compared with TIE Fighter. TIE Fighter did improve on it in many ways, but X-Wing still holds up very well. In fact, I prefer it to TIE Fighter in many ways.

[gungriffon geona]

Cerberus_e said:

gungriffon geona said:
Anyone who doesn't know about Cybernator for the SNES is dead in my eyes. the game is incredibly fun, but rediculously underated. It's one of those games that has a special place in my heart, being one of the first games that I truely loved, and quite frankly still love.

And I repeat: Anyone who doesn't know about Cybernator for the SNES isn't a hardcore gamer.



the reason why you love it is because it's the (one of the) first game(s) you played.
it's ridiculous to say people that don'tknow the game aren't hardcore gamers http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif
saying that with wolf3D or so makes more sense.



If you haven't played it, you don't know how good it is. the controls take a little getting used to for most people, but this game is truely what got mecha games started on consoles. It set the standard for the idea that they can walk slowly but have abilities to speed them up tremendously.
Ever seen a game where a giant robot has pop-out wheels in it's feet? first game to do that was Cybernator with it's Roller Dash. The game really made driving a hulking bot fun.

[Cerberus_e]

as good as the game may be, it's still ridiculous to call people that haven't played it non-hardcore gamers.
I already play PC games since I was a really young child. Pc games were good, why would I need a NES? I didn't even know it existed at the age of 5-6

[Neptune]

The Thing - The only thing that kept this game from being an instant star was the lack of multiplay. The graphics were pretty at the time, as was the story. BUt the lack of multiplay, and the fact that the gimmicked "panic system" was total crap, kept this game from the spotlight it deserved.

Dark Forces - Yes, the ORIGINAL Jedi Knight game, where you WERE NOT a Jedi. As far as I remember, it barely made a scratch on the game radar, but was so damn fun. I want to say it was built on a modified BUILD engine, but I might be wrong.

[Beelze]

Otto von Keisinger said:
How in any way was Undying not underrated? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I'm not sure they even broke even.

As for Doom III, all the negative buzz about it made it seem downright horrible--it was actually a decent game. In that sense, D3 was underrated (although all the prerelease hype made it seem like the second coming).



Doom 3 had mostly very positive buzz, before and after release:

Doom 3 @ Gamerankings.com (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/469881.asp?q=doom%203)
Doom 3 @ Metacritic.com (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/doom3)

88 and 87 are both very positive scores. I'd give the game 80 at most.

Undying @ Gamerankings.com (http://www.gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/914322.asp?q=undying)
Undying @ Metacritic.com (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/clivebarkersundying)

How does an average score of 85 and a way too high user score, 97 (from Metacritic), make Undying underrated?

Personally, I found Undying to be rather unvaried and Doom 3 to be more frightening. Undying had something really good going in the beginning, but I became less interested as it went on. Still, a good game I'm glad I played.

I don't call a game overrated/underrated if I meet a few guys, whom I disagree with, who say that the game rocks/sucks. I'd have to gather more opinions than that, and sites like those linked to above do a good job. Even so, most people on these forums that have played Undying seem to like it, myself included.

So, Undying might not have been played by many, but it is not underrated.

[Drazula]

Beelze said:
How does an average score of 85 and a way too high user score, 97 (from Metacritic), make Undying underrated?


When the user score is not in line with the critic score, that is a good indication of over/under rated. Obviously here, users liked it much more than critics received it, so that would make Undying a bit underrated.

Overrated is when critics gush and users think it sucks. A few games come to mind that fall into this category.

[jimbob]

Neptune said:
I want to say it was built on a modified BUILD engine, but I might be wrong.

it ran on an inhouse engine, later used for Outlaws, and it supported 3d models, and room over room sectors http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

jimbob said:

Neptune said:
I want to say it was built on a modified BUILD engine, but I might be wrong.

it ran on an inhouse engine, later used for Outlaws, and it supported 3d models, and room over room sectors http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



sectors like in build? or polygon 3D like quake?
outlaws looks true 3D tome (ignore sprite enemies and objects)

[Mr.Sociopath]

dunno if it was posted..
most underrated games 'ive played, were :
codename: eagle
which was like battlefield but, if I remmeber correctly, before battlefield was done.. it was very great, still arcadish kind of play , but level and game deisng made everything very fun... but major problem was , nobody played it.. that's bad for a multiplayer game

also, aquanox 2
reviews says it sucks.. it I thought it was great, drawings with an occasionnal narrator with a story teller was very well produced..

and I don,t know why but the end felt full of emotion, maybe it was the drawings/narrator/music combination..but anyway it was very well done in my opinion..

there,s other games but It's been too long I don't remember names very well

[jimbob]

Cerberus_e said:

jimbob said:

Neptune said:
I want to say it was built on a modified BUILD engine, but I might be wrong.

it ran on an inhouse engine, later used for Outlaws, and it supported 3d models, and room over room sectors http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



sectors like in build? or polygon 3D like quake?
outlaws looks true 3D tome (ignore sprite enemies and objects)

sectors. there was 3d model support though, the lasers you shoot are models, and in some maps you can see your ship flying away

[edit]

Info! Awnsers.com (http://www.answers.com/topic/star-wars-dark-forces)

[Simon Charles]

Neptune said:
The Thing - The only thing that kept this game from being an instant star was the lack of multiplay. The graphics were pretty at the time, as was the story. BUt the lack of multiplay, and the fact that the gimmicked "panic system" was total crap, kept this game from the spotlight it deserved.

Dark Forces - Yes, the ORIGINAL Jedi Knight game, where you WERE NOT a Jedi. As far as I remember, it barely made a scratch on the game radar, but was so damn fun. I want to say it was built on a modified BUILD engine, but I might be wrong.



Agreed on both counts. The Thing never got the attention it deserved because of crappy controls (that later got patched and now work well) and a few annoyances with your sidekicks. But aside from that, the game can still scare the shit out of me as much as Doom, Half-Life and Aliens. A true underdog.

Dark Forces too. Controls were a bit sluggish, but level design was unmatched. I still remember the final computer core level. The entire level was a living, moving puzzle. No game has beaten that yet.

And to Griffon... I was born with Pong and I've started playing games when I was 4, so that makes me as much a hardcore gamer as anyone else here. Your personnal tastes are not law.

[Thriller]

Simon Charles said:

Grim Fandango


Its pretty much known as the best adventure game of all time. Except for nostalgics that might say DOTT or similair oldie.

It won swedish PCGS Best Game Ever award two years in a row.

Or do you guys mean how much it sold?

[kylemf88]

Simon Charles said:

Neptune said:
The Thing - The only thing that kept this game from being an instant star was the lack of multiplay. The graphics were pretty at the time, as was the story. BUt the lack of multiplay, and the fact that the gimmicked "panic system" was total crap, kept this game from the spotlight it deserved.

Dark Forces - Yes, the ORIGINAL Jedi Knight game, where you WERE NOT a Jedi. As far as I remember, it barely made a scratch on the game radar, but was so damn fun. I want to say it was built on a modified BUILD engine, but I might be wrong.



Agreed on both counts. The Thing never got the attention it deserved because of crappy controls (that later got patched and now work well) and a few annoyances with your sidekicks. But aside from that, the game can still scare the shit out of me as much as Doom, Half-Life and Aliens. A true underdog.

Dark Forces too. Controls were a bit sluggish, but level design was unmatched. I still remember the final computer core level. The entire level was a living, moving puzzle. No game has beaten that yet.

And to Griffon... I was born with Pong and I've started playing games when I was 4, so that makes me as much a hardcore gamer as anyone else here. Your personnal tastes are not law.



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif The reason I started this thread was because I wanted to bring up dark forces. I was digging around some old game the other day and found it... That was such a great game, same with dark forces 2:jedi knight. I think they got worse as they went on though. Like when it lost the dark forces and became jedi knight 2. Then it got even worse and became about a new character and kyle katarn was your master on jedi knight: jedi academy.

[Hudson]

System Shock
System Shock 2
Blood
Undying
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines
Heavy Metal: FAKK 2
SiN
Chaser

[Cerberus_e]

everyone that played system shock 2 here, is very excited about it, why would it be underrated?

[Beelze]

Drazula said:
Overrated is when critics gush and users think it sucks. A few games come to mind that fall into this category.


Perhaps Doom 3 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/doom3) is one of the few? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Beelze said:

Drazula said:
Overrated is when critics gush and users think it sucks. A few games come to mind that fall into this category.


Perhaps Doom 3 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/doom3) is one of the few? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



that would be correct if almost everyone thought that

[Opus131]

Cerberus_e said:

Beelze said:

Drazula said:
Overrated is when critics gush and users think it sucks. A few games come to mind that fall into this category.


Perhaps Doom 3 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/doom3) is one of the few? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



that would be correct if almost everyone thought that



If almost everyone though that it wouldn't be over-rated in the first place.

Doom3 fits the bill perfectly...

[Cerberus_e]

Opus131 said:

Cerberus_e said:

Beelze said:

Drazula said:
Overrated is when critics gush and users think it sucks. A few games come to mind that fall into this category.


Perhaps Doom 3 (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/doom3) is one of the few? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



that would be correct if almost everyone thought that



If almost everyone though that it wouldn't be over-rated in the first place.

Doom3 fits the bill perfectly...



I don't understand what you mean?
what I said was: doom 3 would be overrated if almost everyone didn't like the game, which isn't the case

[jimbob]

Cerberus_e said:
doom 3 would be overrated if almost everyone didn't like the game

no, its the other way around.

[Hudson]

Cerberus_e said:
everyone that played system shock 2 here, is very excited about it, why would it be underrated?



Since the day it was released even though it was highly praised it was forgotten and under the radar for many people.

[Otto von Keisinger]

Cerberus_e said:

Otto von Keisinger said:

pec said:

Otto von Keisinger said:
Clive Barker's Undying. Most people on this board never even heard of it, much less played it or recognize my avatar. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Hey! I like Undying very much! It's one of my most favorite Unreal Engine based games and the only shooter with a horror theme, after Blood.


Doom III had a horror theme, but only System Shock 2 and Undying were horror games (or for that matter, even scary). I did love Blood though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif




so doom 3 isn't a horror game? WTF?
blood and flesh isgrowing on the walls http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif


Therefore, it certainly has a horror theme. Horror isn't jumping out of shadows. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif


Beelze said:

Otto von Keisinger said:
How in any way was Undying not underrated? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I'm not sure they even broke even.

As for Doom III, all the negative buzz about it made it seem downright horrible--it was actually a decent game. In that sense, D3 was underrated (although all the prerelease hype made it seem like the second coming).



Doom 3 had mostly very positive buzz, before and after release:


From game critics, yes; from the people, no.


Personally, I found Undying to be rather unvaried and Doom 3 to be more frightening. Undying had something really good going in the beginning, but I became less interested as it went on. Still, a good game I'm glad I played.


I find that very surprising.


I don't call a game overrated/underrated if I meet a few guys, whom I disagree with, who say that the game rocks/sucks. I'd have to gather more opinions than that, and sites like those linked to above do a good job. Even so, most people on these forums that have played Undying seem to like it, myself included.


I agree, but the general consensus is that Doom III simply wasn't as good as it could be--and most weren't that kind in stating such. I enjoyed the game, and I thought it was good--but not nearly enough to live up to the prerelease and game critic hype.


So, Undying might not have been played by many, but it is not underrated.


It is because so few played it, not because those who did enjoyed it.

[Otto von Keisinger]

I have good memories of that game. Highly underrated.

[I-Ninja]

I can only think of two games that are underrated
-Vampire The Masquerade Bloodlines (Probably because the role-playing game is not as big as D&D, and because of the amount of bugs at launch, good lord, there are a lot of 'em)
-I-Ninja ('Cause of the graphics, no doubt about it)

[Little Conqueror]

- Dynasty Warriors. The game reviewers here in North America rag on it because they don't play the games long enough to see the differences between all of them, while it gets top accolades in Japan. The difference between the installments of this series are probably more than the installments in most sports game franchises.

- Romance of the Three Kingdoms X. The reason we here in North America don't get the superior, awesome PC version is because it doesn't sell well enough here to warrant Koei exporting it. Instead, we get a rushed-together PS2 release with spelling errors, halved resolution, and unintuitive menu layouts. And yet it's still more fun than most other strategy games that have come out recently.

[Dr. Kill]

Metal Gear Solid VR Missions (PS1) I thought it was pretty damn good. I always liked the vr missions in MGS, and this had a ton of new ones.

[gungriffon geona]

Simon Charles said:And to Griffon... I was born with Pong and I've started playing games when I was 4, so that makes me as much a hardcore gamer as anyone else here. Your personnal tastes are not law.



I never said that. more or less I was saying "if you get a chance, you really should play this" in a very direct manor.

[Neptune]

Turok: Evolution - I love me some Tal' Set. I love this game, and play it whenever I get a chance. Though lacking in some areas, the length and MULTIPLAYER (Something the n64's were based on), it had great design. Plus, you're ****in' turok. How cool is that?

Run Like Hell - Sure the beginning was boring as hell, and it got tedious. But it was over all a very fun game.

Mortal Kombat: Deception - Missed by the (Total crap, imo) Soul Caliber. The best of the 3d MK's, hardly made a dent on anyone's radar. Too bad there wasn't a pre-final boss, like goro or kintaro.

extermination - Exactly like The Thing. Perhaps that's why it was so much fun?

[Hudson]

Neptune said:
extermination - Exactly like The Thing. Perhaps that's why it was so much fun?



Dammit, I completely forgot about that game. I took notice immediately and thought of The Thing, but played through it because I liked the premise and ended up loving it. Great game.

[Cerberus_e]

Otto von Keisinger said:
Therefore, it certainly has a horror theme. Horror isn't jumping out of shadows. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif




then you need to look up what horror is, lots of horror movies aren't scary at all. whether you thought doom 3 was scary or not, doom 3 IS a horror game.
oh yes, I found it one of the scariest games I ever played, together with RTCW catacombs.
system shock 2 was not scary.


Otto von Keisinger said:

Beelze said:

Otto von Keisinger said:
How in any way was Undying not underrated? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I'm not sure they even broke even.

As for Doom III, all the negative buzz about it made it seem downright horrible--it was actually a decent game. In that sense, D3 was underrated (although all the prerelease hype made it seem like the second coming).



Doom 3 had mostly very positive buzz, before and after release:


From game critics, yes; from the people, no.




from the people, also yes!
face it, lots of people think it's good, it doesn't matter if there are people like you that can'tshut up about how they disliked it.

[Otto von Keisinger]

Cerberus_e said:

Otto von Keisinger said:
Therefore, it certainly has a horror theme. Horror isn't jumping out of shadows. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif




then you need to look up what horror is, lots of horror movies aren't scary at all. whether you thought doom 3 was scary or not, doom 3 IS a horror game.
oh yes, I found it one of the scariest games I ever played, together with RTCW catacombs.
system shock 2 was not scary.


There's quite a lot of difference between the stale definition of a dictionary and a word's usage in real life. You could easily slap a few cheap scares in a movie or a game and call it horror, but that is not true horror. When people talk about horror, they mean true horror; when people talk about yet another low-budget B-movie horror, they probably mean shit with a few "shock" moments thrown in for good measure.

SS2 was more of a psychological horror. For people who think hard while gaming--and enjoy doing so, it will not only affect them, but it will stick with them longer than a cheap shocker. RTCW scared for two reasons: one, the catacombs stood out from the rest of the game up until that point, and two, because they managed to give it atmosphere. It worked wonders in one segment, but they couldn't kept it up the entire game without a major change in scenery.

D3 lost atmosphere faster than an open airlock. Without atmosphere all of D3's shocks come off as cheap scare tactics. When properly used (not abused) on a player who is immersed within the atmosphere of a game, the same "cheap" scares will give the player a heart-attack. D3 did try to regain some of that atmosphere with the ruins (especially the final level leading up to the end boss) and hell/Delta Labs, but it was to little, too late in my book. Of course, this is not say that it wasn't a good game--just that it isn't exactly horror.




Otto von Keisinger said:

Beelze said:

Otto von Keisinger said:
How in any way was Undying not underrated? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I'm not sure they even broke even.

As for Doom III, all the negative buzz about it made it seem downright horrible--it was actually a decent game. In that sense, D3 was underrated (although all the prerelease hype made it seem like the second coming).



Doom 3 had mostly very positive buzz, before and after release:


From game critics, yes; from the people, no.




from the people, also yes!


Not from the majority, no. At least, of those whom were ever vocal about the game in any way, shape or form were very negative. When I played it, I didn't expect much, and was pleasantly surprised. Yes, they all made astute judgements, but it seems they missed the forest for the trees.


face it, lots of people think it's good, it doesn't matter if there are people like you that can'tshut up about how they disliked it.


Straw Man and Ad Hominem, dude. When did I ever say that I didn't like D3? I simply stated that the majority of people (NOT ME) felt it didn't live up to their lofty goals. (Personally, I felt it lived up to Carmack's goals--but not mine. However, I had expected to be scared witless; I didn't expect a sort of reliving of Doom--more of a reimagining.)

[kylemf88]

Cerberus_e said:
from the people, also yes!
face it, lots of people think it's good, it doesn't matter if there are people like you that can'tshut up about how they disliked it.



Yeah I agree allot of people love doom 3. I don't even see how you could think they didn't. I mean when it came out everyone just loved the game. The graphics alone won me over. Now that some other games have been out allot of people say other games are better but even allot of these people used to like or still do like doom 3. (Me being ths still do like.)

[Cerberus_e]

Otto von Keisinger said:
There's quite a lot of difference between the stale definition of a dictionary and a word's usage in real life. You could easily slap a few cheap scares in a movie or a game and call it horror, but that is not true horror. When people talk about horror, they mean true horror; when people talk about yet another low-budget B-movie horror, they probably mean shit with a few "shock" moments thrown in for good measure.




if you think monsters jumping at you when you didn't saw them coming is a cheap scare, what is an example of a good scare then?
still, the atmosphere is very immersive, add the horror theme, the story, and the fact that most players were more scared than in most other games (especially in the first few levels). I'd definitely classify this game as horror.


Otto von Keisinger said:
SS2 was more of a psychological horror. For people who think hard while gaming--and enjoy doing so, it will not only affect them, but it will stick with them longer than a cheap shocker. RTCW scared for two reasons: one, the catacombs stood out from the rest of the game up until that point, and two, because they managed to give it atmosphere. It worked wonders in one segment, but they couldn't kept it up the entire game without a major change in scenery.

D3 lost atmosphere faster than an open airlock. Without atmosphere all of D3's shocks come off as cheap scare tactics. When properly used (not abused) on a player who is immersed within the atmosphere of a game, the same "cheap" scares will give the player a heart-attack. D3 did try to regain some of that atmosphere with the ruins (especially the final level leading up to the end boss) and hell/Delta Labs, but it was to little, too late in my book. Of course, this is not say that it wasn't a good game--just that it isn't exactly horror.




then I've yet to play a horror game. any recommendations?
I laughed when I read your comparision of "losing atmosphere faster than an open airlock", though http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif well found metaphor! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Otto von Keisinger said:
Not from the majority, no. At least, of those whom were ever vocal about the game in any way, shape or form were very negative. When I played it, I didn't expect much, and was pleasantly surprised. Yes, they all made astute judgements, but it seems they missed the forest for the trees.




how are you sure the majority thinks it sucks?
you have to leave out the multiplayer fans that always play counterstrike and call of duty and stuff (most in clans), since hardly any singleplayer game will please them... if any.
there are a lot of people that like doom 3, and everywhere you go to bash doom 3, there will be people defending it, even on steampowered.com forums.
but you are saying the majority dislikes doom 3? not sure of that.
first leave out all people that aren't singleplayer fans, then leave out the people that didn't even like doom, or old school FPS in general (because pleasing doom fans was still important for iD). I don't think the game is bashed more than loved, altough doom 3 really receives much negative feedback compared to other games (for reasons I don't get myself)...
even if you take the complete gaming market... gamespot visitors rated it 8.5, that isn't exactly a low score isn't it? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
7,436 people have voted (score from 1-10). people like you and me.
if the game got 5.0 or 6.0 I would see where you're getting at, but 8.5? no.
look at the latest page of user reviews:
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/doom3/readers.html
it's flooded by positive reviews! with a few exceptions here and there... but with some poor excuses, like saying the game isn't good for people that like WW2 shooters http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
also, 8.5 is the score the professional gamespot reviewers gave it, and considering the gaming crowd (people like you and me) also gave it 8.5, you can't say the game is overated or underrated http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Otto von Keisinger said:

face it, lots of people think it's good, it doesn't matter if there are people like you that can'tshut up about how they disliked it.


Straw Man and Ad Hominem, dude. When did I ever say that I didn't like D3? I simply stated that the majority of people (NOT ME) felt it didn't live up to their lofty goals. (Personally, I felt it lived up to Carmack's goals--but not mine. However, I had expected to be scared witless; I didn't expect a sort of reliving of Doom--more of a reimagining.)



I didn't mean to attack you, I have limited english vocabulary http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[jimbob]

Cerberus_e said:
if you think monsters jumping at you when you didn't saw them coming is a cheap scare, what is an example of a good scare then?

when you think you are one second away from being attacked/dying eventhough there is nothing there, and keeping that interesting throughout the whole game. afraid to go around a corner because you dont know what you wil find there. and when you finally do face the enemie it doesnt go down in one shot or 2.

having a random closet opening behind the player and then having a monster jump out at you slashng you in the back is a cheap trick. the opening doors with monsters behind them jumping at you is another cheap one.

[Neptune]

COME ON GUYS, GIVE IT A ****IN' BREAK!

[Roger]

Hudson named a good few of them. By the way, I must concur with the above.

[Cerberus_e]

jimbob said:

Cerberus_e said:
if you think monsters jumping at you when you didn't saw them coming is a cheap scare, what is an example of a good scare then?

when you think you are one second away from being attacked/dying eventhough there is nothing there, and keeping that interesting throughout the whole game. afraid to go around a corner because you dont know what you wil find there. and when you finally do face the enemie it doesnt go down in one shot or 2.

having a random closet opening behind the player and then having a monster jump out at you slashng you in the back is a cheap trick. the opening doors with monsters behind them jumping at you is another cheap one.



there is only ONE way to give the player the feeling of having a chance of being attacked every second, and that's by having monsters jump at you, like in Doom 3.
doom 3 gave me that feeling, it could happen any time.
but like in system shock 2, that NEVER happened, so I was not scared at all in that game, because I didn't expect it to happen... and it didn't.

[jimbob]

Cerberus_e said:

jimbob said:

Cerberus_e said:
if you think monsters jumping at you when you didn't saw them coming is a cheap scare, what is an example of a good scare then?

when you think you are one second away from being attacked/dying eventhough there is nothing there, and keeping that interesting throughout the whole game. afraid to go around a corner because you dont know what you wil find there. and when you finally do face the enemie it doesnt go down in one shot or 2.

having a random closet opening behind the player and then having a monster jump out at you slashng you in the back is a cheap trick. the opening doors with monsters behind them jumping at you is another cheap one.



there is only ONE way to give the player the feeling of having a chance of being attacked every second, and that's by having monsters jump at you, like in Doom 3.
doom 3 gave me that feeling, it could happen any time.
but like in system shock 2, that NEVER happened, so I was not scared at all in that game, because I didn't expect it to happen... and it didn't.

tried clive barkers undying yet?

[Cerberus_e]

no, but that can't be the only game?

[Kalki]

jimbob said:

Cerberus_e said:

jimbob said:

Cerberus_e said:
if you think monsters jumping at you when you didn't saw them coming is a cheap scare, what is an example of a good scare then?

when you think you are one second away from being attacked/dying eventhough there is nothing there, and keeping that interesting throughout the whole game. afraid to go around a corner because you dont know what you wil find there. and when you finally do face the enemie it doesnt go down in one shot or 2.

having a random closet opening behind the player and then having a monster jump out at you slashng you in the back is a cheap trick. the opening doors with monsters behind them jumping at you is another cheap one.



there is only ONE way to give the player the feeling of having a chance of being attacked every second, and that's by having monsters jump at you, like in Doom 3.
doom 3 gave me that feeling, it could happen any time.
but like in system shock 2, that NEVER happened, so I was not scared at all in that game, because I didn't expect it to happen... and it didn't.

tried clive barkers undying yet?



Undying is superior to Doom 3. That's a measure of how underrated Undying is- comparing the review scores both got. I'd said before that this game had set the benchmark for D3 to beat, which it didn't. It was good, just not as inspired.

[Kalki]

Cerberus_e said:
no, but that can't be the only game?



AvP2's marine campaign is another. With Doom 3, monsters did attack you all the time, around every corner. There was little build up of suspense which is what Undying was so good at.

<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> In AvP2 the motion sensor would give ghost images that disappeared. There was this one room where the motion sensor starts beeping after you enter because a crouched alien in the shadows began uncoiling. They'd attack doors and after denting them and failing to break through, they'd disappear.</td></tr></table>

[Cerberus_e]

but the music in avp2 destorys it all, I played the demo, you can run around careless, the music is going to tell you when it's unsafe

[Kalki]

That's true, but the ambient tracks also play up during those false moments and non-moments (like entering an otherwise benign new area).

[FireFly]

Cerberus_e said:
but the music in avp2 destorys it all, I played the demo, you can run around careless, the music is going to tell you when it's unsafe


And knowing that you're unsafe generates the fear.

[Cerberus_e]

no, because you are sure there is an enemy then, at least in the demo, all you have to do is look around, and while the music isn't tense, I can just walk aroud careless.

while if that music wasn't there, you would be unsafe at all times, and would always have to look around, because you are never sure an enemy is lurking

[FireFly]

That's just a different type of suspense. Instead of trying to catch the player unawares all the time (which can be difficult) you do the opposite, and tell him when the enemies are coming, so he can build up anticipation.

To feel unsafe you just need to know that the situation could change. If the music changes quickly then it's almost the equivalent of having an enemy directly attack you.

If the music changes slowly then that gives a slower buildup so the player knows something big is coming and that he can't relax.

[Cerberus_e]

FireFly said:
To feel unsafe you just need to know that the situation could change. If the music changes quickly then it's almost the equivalent of having an enemy directly attack you.




no, tense music doesn't suck your health, while an enemy jumping at you does.
once you hear the music, you still have a lot more time to defend your health, than when something jumps at you

[jimbob]

you are more of an "physical" horror type, like people/monster jumping out at you. that aparently scares you.

im more of an mental horror type, psycological stuff.
music plays a big role in that. and generally the feeling of being scared lasts longer too

[Dave-ros]

Before one of the mods says it, I feel I should say: you guys ought to make a separate thread about "what makes a good horror game", as it's getting waaay off topic here http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

How come no-one's mentioned Big Rigs? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif I'm sure that game must have been underrated. Has anyone here actually played it? Is there a demo I can download?!?!? Why are these men in white coats trying to drag me away from my computer?!?!?!?!?!?!?

[FireFly]

Cerberus_e said:
no, tense music doesn't suck your health, while an enemy jumping at you does.
once you hear the music, you still have a lot more time to defend your health, than when something jumps at you


Yes, but that's a question of matching the difficulty with the type of warning. And my point was that you're still going to be on edge because the music can change at any time.

[Neptune]

For a change of pace....

The Friday the 13th game for NES. Yes siree.... now THAT game scared the bajeezus out of me! Far supiour in scare factor than Doom 3 and Undying combined! Woo. Watching a pxelated camper ust walk around aimlessly, until BAM! Jason pops out and stabs the shit outta you. Vastly underratted, and typically forgot by todays youth.

[jimbob]

ahem, to bring this thread back on course.

terminal velocity also felt like an underated game to me! its fun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[gungriffon geona]

jimbob said:
terminal velocity also felt like an underated game to me! its fun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



And Fury3, which is alot like it, but more interesting because the planets are quite varied.
And I still haven't found the F!Zone addon pack for it.

[kylemf88]

Here is a new one. I just got rainbow six lock down today and think its pretty good so far. It's nothing like rainbow six 3 witch I can see would tick some people off but I think its a fun game.

[ecco]

Dr. Kill said:

Blade Nightflame said:

Don't you ***** diss around Vice City. I STILL have GTA 3 and SA installed and I play VC the most out of all the 3.




Hey, I wasn't going to lie. I don't like VC or SA as much as 3. Never will. GTA 3 just had a darker style. I like dark games, with dark humor (Blood, Manhunt, GTA 3). I just don't like how much of a comedy VC and SA are. I want more brutality, and less humor. BTW, I don't hate VC as much as SA, I played Vice yesterday. I have 3 copies of GTA 3, 2 copies of VC, and 2 copies of SA. Even though the last two in the series seemed heavily over-rated to me, I'll still get GTA 4 when it comes out.




I played GTA3 again the other day and I can't believe how much more fun the base gameplay is. Stealing the cars, evading police and running over people is just more fun than GTA:SA. I'm still annoyed that the peds are so fat they can stop a TANK when you try to run them over. WTF was rockstar thinking.


I also agree with Giants being under-rated. I <3 Giants.

[Phait]

Cerberus_e said:
I didn't mean to attack you, I have limited english vocabulary http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



SIGGED \./

Hilarious I mean seriously WTF. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[kylemf88]

ecco said:
I played GTA3 again the other day and I can't believe how much more fun the base gameplay is. Stealing the cars, evading police and running over people is just more fun than GTA:SA. I'm still annoyed that the peds are so fat they can stop a TANK when you try to run them over. WTF was rockstar thinking.




I still thing gta three was the best. My biggest reason is because the character. I hated the angry Italian of VC and the friendly gangster of SA. Also even though SA has a huge map I still liked liberty city the best.

[Dr. Kill]

Yeah, Claude (GTA 3 guy) is the best. Tommy (from VC) talked too damn much, as did CJ. Tommy and CJ were not violent enough. Especially CJ. He is supposed to be a gang banger, but he acts like a bitch. I wanted a character as ruthless as an Eazy-E or Cypress Hill song, but instead we get some wussy that has no business in the 'hood. Rockstar should've hired someone better than DJ Pooh to do the writing. All he does is write comedy. SA could've been bad ass, but instead it's bitch ass!

[maximan]

Most Underrated Game: Outrun 2. Noone appreciates simplicity anymore.

[December Man]

Manhunt.

Great atmosphere and sound effects.
Playability is high also.

It's brutal like hell itself, but that doesn't matter to me.

[Neptune]

MANHUNT is one of my favorite games. i play it all the time, and for while there, was with a few friends who tried to build an unofficial sequal out of the doom 3 engine. We got pretty far, and R* didn't send a cease and desist order (actually, one of my buddies claimed he got an email saying they thought it was funny). Too bad I lost all interest in games for a while. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I barely remember how to make a level in the doom 3 ed.

ah well.



I also agree with Giants being under-rated. I <3 Giants.



Hell yeah, dude.

[Kevin Wolff]

GTA 3 (as compared to later ones)
Driver
Sin
Claw
World Tour Golf (1986 EA game with perhaps the first course editor ever, but went nowhere on the market)

Can't think of others at the moment.

[Neptune]

Clocktower

And amazing game with a very good premise, only bogged down by the strange controls. I mean, your trapped in a mansion with a killer who has a BIG FRIGGEN' PAIR OF SCISSORS and all it takes it one hit and your dead. The only thing you can do is run away.

very cool game.

[avatar_58]

Second Sight. I bought it at a bargain bin price and am glad I did. Its a stealth game (mostly) where you use psyhic powers to become invisble, manipulate objects and people and project images of yourself to scout around un-noticed.

So far this game is kickass! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Go check it out if you like that type of game.

[Thriller]

Otto von Keisinger said:I agree, but the general consensus is that Doom III simply wasn't as good as it could be--and most weren't that kind in stating such. I enjoyed the game, and I thought it was good--but not nearly enough to live up to the prerelease and game critic hype.

But if that qualifies as overated then there isnt a single doubt in the world that Half-Life 2 is overated.

My take on things is rather that HL2 was a bit more praised by critics than Doom3. And a bit more praised by the public than Doom3. Is either overated? I dont think so. Both are good games even though neither is a classic. A lot of people said HL2 was the best game ever... Then they played it. A lot of people said Black and White was the best game ever... Then they played it. It happens with every major title that lives up to most of its expectations. Its not overated, its just how it is.

[Karthik]

I tried Second Sight, didn't like it. I tried Psi-Ops, fell in love and I started spamming in forums about the PC version. Then there's Chaser. Gawd, these 2 games need a sequel.

[laffer]

Phantasmagoria perhaps... the game was by no means brilliant, but reviewers were giving it like 12% and stuff, and it deserved more than that.
It has its faults, but I really liked it. The sequel was fun too.