Games that somehow never get made...

[Higher Game]

Since we're all Duke Nukem fans, I think this topic would be very appropriate. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Lunar 3
Earthbound 2
Fallout 3
STALKER
Starcraft Ghost
Kid Icarus 2

For seemingly no reason, classic games that have huge cult followings never get followups! Why do football games and FPS games get endless sequels? These great games deserve more!

[Cerberus_e]

Higher Game said:
STALKER




the only reason for its delay is because they have LOOOOOOOOOOOOTS of gameplay balancing to do, I guess.

[Acid]

Fallout 3 is getting made, its a shame they didnt finish Van buren, then we'd have something to play until Fo3 gets released, but then it would have to be called Fo4.

[JackpotDen]

Ghost is being made...

[BioHazard]

So is Earthbound2 iirc. I think it's a DS game now.

[Joonas]

KKND 3
Theme Hospital 2
Road Rash 2

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Duke Nukem Forever the sidescroller.
The RPG Quake.
Duke Nukem Forever 2001 version.
The Quake 1 engined(HL version) Team Fortress 2.
Santa Vs. Satan.
Lameduke.
Prey from 1998 with Talon Brave in it.
Trinity whatever it was.
The game Id was supposed to develop instead of Doom 3(it migth be in development currently).
Unreal Warfare, whatever it was, expect if it was UT2007.
A sequel to Quake 1.
A serious Dopefish game.

[FireFly]

Kristian Joensen said:
A sequel to Quake 1.



And the version of Quake where you just wield a big hammer!

[Kristian Joensen]

I already mentioned that. "The RPG Quake".

[SyntaxN]

Kristian Joensen said:
I already mentioned that. "The RPG Quake".


What is the "RPG Quake"? Are you talking about "The Quest"?

[Neptune]

SyntaxN said:

Kristian Joensen said:
I already mentioned that. "The RPG Quake".


What is the "RPG Quake"? Are you talking about "The Quest"?



Yes and No.

It was also one of the games I have always looked forward to from Id. I mean, John Carmack was a DM (Dungeon Master, think of him as the referee) for a Dungeons and Dragons agme when the old Id used ot play. Not just that, apparently he was one of the most inventive DM's around. Heck, John Romero based alot of the concepts in DnD that they played into Daikatana.

Seriously, that's some untapped power John Carmack has. Plus, considering they had Sandy Peterson in the group for a while (He created my favorite RPG of all time, Call of Cthulhu.... isn't it obvious?), I'm sure a bit of that rubbed off into the group. Personally, I think that 'the Quest' was going to be the game that Id was going to make years earlier, but then jumped out of because of Doom.

Alot of people view Id as being in a slump right now (Though I beg to differ), I think that if JC get's his act together and makes this RPG, and I think it'll probably be a MMORPG, it'll be the game that not only brings Id out of it's so-called 'slump' but would sky rocket into one of the greatest game sof all time.

So, to answer your question, yes and no. No we aren't specifially speaking about Quest, but yes because I personally think that's what 'Quest' was going to be. Make sence?

[Kristian Joensen]

SyntaxN said:

Kristian Joensen said:
I already mentioned that. "The RPG Quake".


What is the "RPG Quake"? Are you talking about "The Quest"?



What do you know about "The Quest" ?

Didin't you know that Quake was supposed to be a RPG originally but John Carmack decided that they should turn it in to a FPS ?

[Halford]

Unreal Warfare --------> Gears of War (not UT2K7)

[SyntaxN]

What do you know about "The Quest" ?


uhm, nothing at all, like everybody else I think....
The last thing I heared was that it gets developed by Nerve.


Didin't you know that Quake was supposed to be a RPG originally but John Carmack decided that they should turn it in to a FPS ?


No, never heared of it *holds breath* http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
I don´t play video games for a long time (compared to some others) so I missed much stuff http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Halford]

A little-known piece of PC gaming history: The first mention of Quake was in id Software's first game ever, Commander Keen 1 for the PC, which was released in December 1990. The following text is contained in the file previews.ck1, which is dated December 10, 1990:


COMING SOON FROM ID SOFTWARE

As our follow-up to the Commander Keen trilogy, Id Software is working on "The Fight for Justice": a completely new approach to fantasy gaming. You start not as a weakling with no food--you start as Quake, the strongest, most dangerous person on the continent. You start off with a Hammer of Thunderbolts, a Ring of Regeneration, and a trans-dimensional artifact. Here the fun begins. You fight for Justice, a secret organization devoted to vanquishing evil from the land! This is role-playing excitement.

And you don't chunk around the screen. "The Fight for Justice" contains fully animated scrolling backgrounds. All the people you meet have their own lives, personalities, and objectives. A 256-color VGA version will be available (smooth scrolling 256-color screens--
fancy that)!

And the depth of play will be intense. No more "whack whack here's some gold." There will be interesting puzzles and decisions won't be "yes/no" but complex correlations of people and events.
"The Fight for Justice" will be the finest PC game yet.


Quake was given as a title to the game that id software was working on shortly after the release of Doom 2. The earliest information released described Quake as focusing on a Thor-like character who wields a giant hammer, and is able to knock away guys by throwing the hammer (complete with real time inverse kinematics). Early screenshots showed medieval environments and dragons. The plan was for the game to have more RPG-style elements. However, work was very slow on the engine, since Carmack not only was developing a fully 3D engine, but also a TCP/IP networking model (Carmack later said that he should have done two separate projects which developed those things). Thus the final game was very stripped down from its original intentions, and instead featured gameplay similar to Doom and its sequel. Praised throughout the gaming community, it quickly dethroned previous FPS titles and revolutionized the way multiplayer games were developed.



From Answer.com
http://www.answers.com/topic/quake-1

[Halford]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_canceled_video_games

This is big list of games that never get made.

Sorry for the double post http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

Halford said:
Unreal Warfare --------> Gears of War (not UT2K7)


From the released information on Unreal Warfare it was going to be a large scale vehicular based action game. That's a long way from GoW.

However, in some fairly recent interviews Mark Rein said Unreal Warfare had been a dead end and the tech had been recycled, so I guess GoW does contain some remnants of the cancelled game. What's your source though?

[Halford]

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?pager.offset=0&cId=3140766

Google search is best way to find source http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

SyntaxN said:

What do you know about "The Quest" ?


uhm, nothing at all, like everybody else I think....
The last thing I heared was that it gets developed by Nerve.



What ? can you please tell me more ?

Have you perhaps got some link(s) and/or quote(s) to back that up ?

The things I know:
1. Id Software has applied for a trademark for "Quest".
2. Nerve is researching concepts for their next game together with Id.
3. Id Software's new IP will be a RPG.
4. Id Software was apperently gonna make a RPG instead of Doom 3.
5. I don't know if there is any connection between points 4 and 3.

Becuae of point 2 your information is very interesting.

Halford, did you know that Figth for Justice is dead trademark of both Id and 3D Realms/Apogee ?.

It seems like even Quake was gonna be a Apogee game in its earliest stages.

[Mountain Man]

Cerberus_e said:
the only reason for its delay is because they have LOOOOOOOOOOOOTS of gameplay balancing to do, I guess.


From what I've read, the game has actually been technically finished for quite some time, but the developers have had to under go an obscene amount of testing.

[Halford]

Halford, did you know that Figth for Justice is dead trademark of both Id and 3D Realms/Apogee ?.



No, I didn't know that.

BTW, point 2 is really true?
I know there is few information about id software's new IP. But according to information, it gonna be FPS, not RPG.

[SyntaxN]

Kristian Joensen said:

SyntaxN said:

What do you know about "The Quest" ?


uhm, nothing at all, like everybody else I think....
The last thing I heared was that it gets developed by Nerve.



What ? can you please tell me more ?

Have you perhaps got some link(s) and/or quote(s) to back that up ?



No sry, I read that in the german magazine gamestar...I think it was in mid 2004.

[Kristian Joensen]

Can you please dig that magazine up ?

Halford, it is gonna be a RPG.

[FireFly]

Something that I've just remembered:

News on the next game from id will not be forthcoming in the near future. JC is still working on the engine, and the concepts are still being designed. It will be an FPS. Quote Todd: "it's a genre that JC invented, that we do well and still enjoy - honestly we're not going to do anything different!

http://www.forumplanet.com/planetdoom/topic.asp?fid=2935&tid=1550717

The previous quote just alluded to a first person perspective:

Will the next id game be a first-person shooter?

Willits fielded this one, and said that yes, it will be a first-person game. But he wouldn't say anything more about id's next project, because (as he asserts) the crew at id tend to keep changing their minds

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/doom-3/539050p1.html

Also:

"We're hoping that our next title will be able to reuse at least some of Doom's assets," he said at the time.

It's going to be some near-future [game]. A present day of near-future thing where we can reuse the fire extinguishers, the waste baskets and some of the things like that in [Doom 3]," he added. "

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=55578

[Kristian Joensen]

FPS ? I distincly remember reading somewhere that it was going to be a RPG.

[Cerberus_e]

Mountain Man said:

Cerberus_e said:
the only reason for its delay is because they have LOOOOOOOOOOOOTS of gameplay balancing to do, I guess.


From what I've read, the game has actually been technically finished for quite some time, but the developers have had to under go an obscene amount of testing.



tthat's my point, gameplay testing and balancing, all thousands of monsters actually LIVE, do stuff, even if you're not close http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Eddy Willson]

Kristian Joensen said:
A serious Dopefish game.



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Tell me more.

[Halford]

If new IP is gonna be RPG, it should be 1st-Person Perspective RPG, like Deus Ex/System Shock series.

These are RPG but also FPS. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



P.S. There is teaser to upcoming news in id Software official hompage ( http://www.idsoftware.com )


Be sure to check back often as we have some exciting news coming very soon! Could it be Quake 4 news? Could it be DOOM movie news? Could it be both? Check back soon!



I think it'il be news about release Quake 4 demo, but it can be also about new IP (or super Doom 3 for PS3 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)

[Hudson]

Halford said:
Unreal Warfare --------> Gears of War (not UT2K7)



No.


Incorrectly called "Unreal Warfare engine", "UT2003 engine", "U2 engine", etc. When licensees refer to using "Warfare", they're referring to UnrealEngine2, the second generation of Unreal engine technology. (On a related note, Epic denies the existence of a rumored future game called "Unreal Warfare".) The engine naming scheme itself is UnrealEngineN or Nth-generation Unreal engine.[/i]



http://wiki.beyondunreal.com/wiki/Unreal_Engine_Versions

[Kristian Joensen]

I found this (http://www.halflife2.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-19041.html) to be very interesting.

[Kristian Joensen]

this (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=31027) is also very interesting. MOre here (http://www.doomworld.com/lordflathead/qcon2k1.html) .

[Needle]

Elite 4.

Seriously, WHERE IS IT?

[Kristian Joensen]

Kristian Joensen said:
this (http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=31027) is also very interesting. MOre here (http://www.doomworld.com/lordflathead/qcon2k1.html) .



And here (http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?comments=15471).

From the shacknews:

"Here is the info that I got from an inside source at the recent Quakecon. Nerve's secret project is to develop a game that takes most ideas from Graeme Devine's "Quest Design Doc" and mixes in gameplay aspects found in Everquest, Doom, and Diablo.
If Nerve pulls this off, and they most likely will (note their excellent work on the new Wolf Multiplayer), then Nerve's Quest will be a sure fire game of the year when it is released."

More info here (http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/8285).

It is mentioned It (here too.

[Kristian Joensen]

Unsuprisingly Activision (http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:ePe5C_V_Y4UJ:www.gaming-age.com/news/2001/9/4-2+Activision+to+publish+two+Id+Software+titles&hl=en&client=firefox-a) is the publisher.

[Mountain Man]

Kristian Joensen said:
FPS ? I distincly remember reading somewhere that it was going to be a RPG.


There was some vague rumors along those lines, but later comments directly from the id staff suggest that their next game will stick pretty close to their tried-and-true FPS formula.

[Malgon]

Wait I thought it was Nerve who was already working on Quake Wars along with id similar to the Quake IV - Raven/id scenario. Can nerve also be working on another project like Quest at the same time?

I'm a little confused, unless of course I got it wrong and Nerve are not working on QW.

[Gabrobot]

Neptune said:Alot of people view Id as being in a slump right now (Though I beg to differ), I think that if JC get's his act together and makes this RPG, and I think it'll probably be a MMORPG, it'll be the game that not only brings Id out of it's so-called 'slump' but would sky rocket into one of the greatest game sof all time.



JC actually just made an RPG (though not exactly as big as a MMORPG http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

http://wireless.ign.com/articles/652/652161p1.html


If I remember correctly, Carmack mentioned in his Quakecon keynote this year that he was very pleased by the sucess of MMORPG's, so I think he definitely is still pro-RPG.


Malgon said:Wait I thought it was Nerve who was already working on Quake Wars along with id similar to the Quake IV - Raven/id scenario. Can nerve also be working on another project like Quest at the same time?

I'm a little confused, unless of course I got it wrong and Nerve are not working on QW.



Splash Damage is the company working on Quake Wars. Nerve made the Doom 3 expansion, but seem to have been working on a much larger project with id Software for quite a while, and it may well be Quest.

[Kristian Joensen]

Yes, I think I have pretty much demonstrated that "The Quest" is in development over at Nerve. Mountain Man, The Quest certainly sound like a RPG too me. It migth not be Id's next internal game, but it is probably what I was referring to and that certainly doesn't make it any less of a Id game, it is their game design.

[Malgon]

Yeah I just watched the ET: QW preview, and Splash Damage symbol popped up. Don't know why I thought Nerve was making it.

So theres a big possibility that it is The Quest. I guess we'll have to wait for confirmation by id/nerve then.

[Mountain Man]

Kristian Joensen said:
It migth not be Id's next internal game...


Exactly.

[Kristian Joensen]

Yes, but that doesn't matter much, I was just mistaken in what I had read.

[Phayzon]

Kristian Joensen said:
A sequel to Quake 1.



Its Mission Packs and Q2...

[Kristian Joensen]

Mission packs aren't sequels because they aren't full games and Quake 2 has nothing to do with Quake 1 story wise.

[Phayzon]

Q2 is more of a sequel to Q1 than Q3 was to Q2.

Aw damn they cancelled Thornado...

[Kristian Joensen]

I haven't tried Q3 but Q2 had nothing to do with Q1 in any way shape or form.

[Phayzon]

Yes it did, its still Q http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

No, they have nothing in common.

[Phayzon]

Same engine, though Q2 is a bit revised.

[Dr. Kill]

Joonas said:
Road Rash 2




what are you talking about?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif There already is a Road Rash 2... and 3, and the pc version was #4, and then there was Road Rash 3d, and Road Rash Jailbreak...

Anyway, one great game that wasn't made was Jacked, a Road Rash clone. It was going to be for PS2 and Xbox, but 3do went under 2 months from completion.

Why do I keep running into people that think that Road Rash for the pc was the first and only?! That series has been around since the Genesis. Too bad EA are *******s, and won't make RR7. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

Phayzon said:
Same engine, though Q2 is a bit revised.



No.

Quake 2 uses a new engine... the Quake 2 engine.

The sequal part in the Quake series was referring towards a new engine. Noe Quake game has ever continued the story from a previous one until Quake 4. Which picks up after Quake 2 ends.

Quake has about as much to do with Quake 2 as Unreal does with half-Life. They share a name, developer and similar engine code... but the games are not direct sequals to each other. Nore do they run on the same engine.

[Dr. Kill]

I wish the first Quake would get a true sequel. It was the Doom 3 of it's time. I like how it was actually freaky, and not lame like Quake 2. Q2 was ok, but compared to the first it was shit. I still don't recognize Quake 3. I think Quake 4 should be called "Quake 3". Q3 doesn't count. It was a stupid side project at best.

[Kalki]

I thought Q2 was the best of the Quake games. Singleplayer was alright and multiplayer was fun(Q3a had better DM but Q2 had cool maps). I liked the strogg and finally look forward to Q2's true successor. I'm still not sure what Quake 1 was about.

[Cerberus_e]

I thought Q3 had the same atmosphere as Q1.
I also think some elements from quake are transferred over to quake 2, like the quad damage.

[Kristian Joensen]

Sure but that has nothing to do with the story, I am talking about story here. The Quake 2 engine WASN'T written from scratch it WAS based on the Quake 1 engine. Sure it was HEAVILY modified.

[Damien_Azreal]

Kristian Joensen said:
Sure but that has nothing to do with the story, I am talking about story here. The Quake 2 engine WASN'T written from scratch it WAS based on the Quake 1 engine. Sure it was HEAVILY modified.



Yeah, but Quake 2 didn't use the QUake engine was all I was saying.

Half-Life was built on a heavily modified Quake engine. And Q3A was built on a heavily modified Q2 engine. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif