Snipers Choice?

[roryok]

Just reading Contra's post regarding what he wants to see in DNF. He mentioned

"*a sniper rifle (and I mean a GOOD one, something like the sniper from halo 1, halo 2's was akward and cheap)"

That started me thinking. For all you snipers out there, what's your fave sniper weapon in any game?

Is it the crossbow from hl2? The lightning gun from UT2003 (yuk)? the barret M50 from delta force? Or is it the sniper mod for dn3d's shrink ray in the nam TC? =)

[Echo Black]

Easy choice, the AWP from Counter-Strike http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[hell-angel]

I kinda like the sniper from the original unreal. But I don't really care as long as the feel is good. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

(Not that I will use it that much because we will have the RPG or Devastator. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

[Kalki]

Unreal Tourney's. For DNF, I don't mind having that laser sniper rifle (seen in the '01 video) in team multiplay.

[Murder]

Springfield '03

[Cerberus_e]

far cry's assault rifles http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
hey, they have a snipe scope http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

The sniper rifle from SOF2, followed by the sniper rifle from MOH.

[Kristian Joensen]

I believe George confirmed that there won't be any sniping in DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Cerberus_e]

he did. we're just answering the thread starter's question which had to be posted in other gaming discussions http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

What he said was a little ambiguous:

"jeffbthomson: If you could choose the gun you want, that doesn't necessarily mean the accessory you want (ie. a silencer or a scope). A scope could be added for sniping weapons and a silencer could be added, so that the enemies can't hear the gunshot, and come running to kill you. Just an idea.

George Broussard: Duke doesn't snipe or silence. He doesn't sneak or hide. He doesn't wear armor. He kicks alien ass. Lots of it, and he does it while drinking, smoking and saving babes along the way! "

In my opinion that just rules out 'stealth sniping' segments of the game, not necessarily action sequences in which the player can use a sniper rifle, like the vehicular sequence in the E3 video.

[Kristian Joensen]

"Duke doesn't snipe" seems pretty absolute to me.

[FireFly]

Only if you define sniping as the action of using a sniper rifle.

According to the Dictionary.com definition:

intr.v. sniped, snip·ing, snipes
1. To shoot at individuals from a concealed place.

So it really depends what George meant.

[Kristian Joensen]

I don't think George looks at a dictionary before posting. Besides doesn't the scene form the E3 2001 trailer fit with that definition ?

[FireFly]

I didn't look at a dictionary before my post either. My point is that sniping has another association - the silent, concealed kill, which is what jeffbthomson alluded to in his suggestion: "a silencer could be added, so that the enemies can't hear the gunshot".

In the E3 video he's travelling straight towards the enemy in a car, so I wouldn't call that concealed, but the term is relative.

[Kalki]

FireFly said:
George Broussard: Duke doesn't snipe or silence. He doesn't sneak or hide. He doesn't wear armor. He kicks alien ass. Lots of it, and he does it while drinking, smoking and saving babes along the way! "[/i]



Funny quote, really! When I was crawling through vents in Duke3D, I always assumed I was sneaking. Vent-crawling was a vicariously Die Hard experience for me.

Anyway the part about the armour surprised me more than the sniping. Duke had armour in Duke3D. The only reason I can think of for no armour is that it would be difficult to draw on Duke's visible body.

[AdelaeR]

First of all: DUKE does not snipe (sniping is for wussies as He likes to put it)

Secondly: There WAS a scope in the 2001 video ... mounted on the simple DukePistol ... and it could be used for shooting at long range (which is not the same as actual "sniping", which basicly means you conseal yourself and wait for your target to show up)

Weapons like the Colt (http://www.shootersexchange.com/images/items/full/56479.JPG) or the Steyer Aug (http://www.2good4you.net/airsoft/gun-db/aug_rt/steyer_AUG-RT_02.JPG) for instance are assault rifles WITH scopes but they are surely not "sniper" rifles and thus could be used by our DUKE http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif without Him losing face http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

AdelaeR said:

Secondly: There WAS a scope in the 2001 video ... mounted on the simple DukePistol ... and it could be used for shooting at long range (which is not the same as actual "sniping", which basicly means you conseal yourself and wait for your target to show up)





You must confuse that pistol with the one from the 98' trailer... I don't recon seeing it in the 2001' trailer...

[AdelaeR]

Guess I'm getting way to old to be on this forum still ... after all these years I finally started getting confused and losing my memory then http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Assault]

I never liked snipers that much.
The snipers in Call Of Duty 2 are done well, they don’t make you godly.
Still the best sniper is the one from Red Faction; Shooting through walls is awesome.

[Micki!]

AdelaeR said:
Guess I'm getting way to old to be on this forum still ... after all these years I finally started getting confused and losing my memory then http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



Oh no... I could be NEXT!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[AdelaeR]

I'm viewing both the 98 and 2001 trailers again to refresh my memory http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[AdelaeR]

There IS a long range scoped rifle in the 2001 video!

I just looked at it again and it's there http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But then again, that doesn't mean a thing ... that was almost 5 years ago ...

Say no to snipers ...
Say yes to at least one rifle with optional scope!

And kick some alien ass

[Revenant]

I'm a simple person, I like the Unreal Tourney Sniper Rifle. The original Unreal Tournament that is.

[big fat lazy]

I hope there's no sniper rifles in the game, or, at least in multiplayer. I hate snipers in MP.

[Micki!]

big fat lazy said:
I hope there's no sniper rifles in the game, or, at least in multiplayer. I hate snipers in MP.



Ditto...
I hate when someone is 'über-l337' in using such weapons... There should be limitations, or drawbacks with sniper weapons...

[SyntaxN]

AdelaeR said:
Say no to snipers ...
Say yes to at least one rifle with optional scope!

And kick some alien ass


Yeah, the laser thing looked cool http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Gatinater]

I've always liked The Remington 7mm Magnum and the Springfield .30-06 Calibers. Preferably a bolt or lever action repeater, because they're more powerful and precise as they have a sealed chamber so all of the gas is used to project the bullet.

Bolt over lever with a Sauer action, but that doesn't matter since it's virtual and not physical. So you can't feel the action to be able to appreciate it.

In games it doesn't matter because they never behave like they would in reality. I thought the lazer rifle featured in the 2001 trailer was cool.

If you mean the Springfield 1903, yes that is a good gun. The M1 Garand is also a sweet rifle. I've always been fan of the Winchester model 70 chambered for 7mm or 30-06. You've all probably seen it. The U.S military uses a modified versoin chambered for .308. Know as the M24.

[colmtourque]

any from far cry and red faction (to repeat what was already said).
As to the sniping vs no sniping griping. I snipe and I toss missiles at snipers, gots no problem either way, but I also know how to move in a death match.

...wusses

[ultra tree 85!]

My favorite sniping weapon was Duke Nukem's sniper rifle in Duke Nukem: Zero Hour for N64. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Nacho]

George said there will be no sniper rifle anymore I believe. Something along the lines of Duke not beeing some guy in the shadows but an in your face ass kicker.

[Kristian Joensen]

The quote already was posted in this thread.

[Nacho]

But not by me. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


In a new thread I only read the first few posts.

[Wamplet]

Colt Python. \o

[Gatinater]

No, dirtbag he said hunting rifles. Not target pistols. Besides the python is for *****s. The Colt Anaconda is man's gun. The python is a cap gun, but the anaconda is a CANNON!! kaBOOOOOOOOOM!! Sweet ole Annie.

But Duke already has a .50 Cal Eagle. Not as Sweet as Annie, but uh...

There's no need for a sniper rifle. Not unless it's a laser or a railgun.

[Imfamous]

FireFly said:

George Broussard: Duke doesn't snipe or silence. He doesn't sneak or hide. He doesn't wear armor. He kicks alien ass. Lots of it, and he does it while drinking, smoking and saving babes along the way! "[/i]





Nice. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Dr.Dude]

I still think the original Unreal Tournament had the best sniper rifle ever. Most game snipers seem a little awkward and unwieldy to me for some reason, but the UT sniper just worked perfectly in the game.

[hell-angel]

Kristian Joensen said:
I believe George confirmed that there won't be any sniping in DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



hmm, I missed that quote. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif But it wouldn't fit Duke anyway. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif He is not the sniper kind of guy. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[roryok]

Kristian Joensen said:
I believe George confirmed that there won't be any sniping in DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif



Missed that one. I guess this should've gone in the general gaming forum then!

But still, I realise duke is too much of a hard man to hide in the shadows, but is he just too tough to even aim at his foes? Surely a scope isn't beyond duke?

[Kalki]

Duke does whatever we make him do. Period.
Would he have something to say about it? Sure, ok but that should be the end of that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

"Crouch and crawl, bitch!"
"This sucks!"

[Big poppa]

Mug Gordon Freeman and grab the crossbow.

[Nessus]

The original UT had the best sniper rifle. SOF had good one too, they always had some guy standing in front of wall so you could splatter his head against it.

[hell-angel]

Nessus said:
The original UT had the best sniper rifle. SOF had good one too, they always had some guy standing in front of wall so you could splatter his head against it.



I am sure that at some point that will feel fixed. But so cool. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gif

[Zaarin]

How about that railgun thingy from Eraser? That would be kinda cool to look behind walls and stuff. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif And of course Duke could wield two of them at the same time.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[SyntaxN]

Zaarin said:
How about that railgun thingy from Eraser? That would be kinda cool to look behind walls and stuff.


Play Perfect Dark or Perfect Dark Zero http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
I don´t think a "looking through the wall" gun would fit with Duke, that´s even more than simple sniping http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Suppressor]

The Shadow worrier railgun was cool, I liked it.

[hell-angel]

Zaarin said:
How about that railgun thingy from Eraser? That would be kinda cool to look behind walls and stuff. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif And of course Duke could wield two of them at the same time.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif



That would be so cool, they used something like that in Red Faction, but the Eraser one has a much better and cooler looking image. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Singularity]

Wonder why no one mentioned Q3's Railgun...

As for me , Q3's RailGun and Deus Ex: Invisible War's MagRail.

Even Quake 2's and 4's Railguns are great.

[hell-angel]

Singularity said:
Wonder why no one mentioned Q3's Railgun...

As for me , Q3's RailGun and Deus Ex: Invisible War's MagRail.

Even Quake 2's and 4's Railguns are great.



Because the one from the movie Eraser or the game Red Faction is much cooler thanks to the looking through walls. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[roryok]

hell-angel said:

Singularity said:
Wonder why no one mentioned Q3's Railgun...

As for me , Q3's RailGun and Deus Ex: Invisible War's MagRail.

Even Quake 2's and 4's Railguns are great.



Because the one from the movie Eraser or the game Red Faction is much cooler thanks to the looking through walls. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Nah I didn't like the mag rail much. Not enough oomf. I still like the barret .50 from delta force, or the OICW from far cry

[BabyFace]

AWP from CS, or the Sniper Gun from Serious Sam SE. Both quite satisfying.

[RoveR]

i think that a Barrett Sniper Rifle should be the best choice: a REALLY BIG and POWERFUL rifle...

i see a lot of tricks being done with duke holding it..

shooting behind walls (with an x-ray scope.. )


i really love the M107 barrett rifle.

[Smoke39]

I'm not real picky about sniper rifles. A good scope and the ability to kill with one clean shot to the head is all I ask.

What REALLY matters is being given good oportunities to USE it. Far Cry was excellent in this regard, what with it's huge environments with lots of majorly distant enemies, plus all the foliage that the AI actually acknowledged as concealing you.

HL2 was crummy for long-range combat. Practically every weapon was irritatingly innacurate. The revolver was nice, and you could sorta snipe with it by holding the suit zoom key and fire key, then releasing the zoom key to fire. @_@ The crossbow was cool, but lousy for sniping. Shoot one guy, everyone else freaks out and runs and hides, and you can't even try to nail 'em as they try to escape because of the parabolic trajectory and slow speed.

[hell-angel]

Smoke39 said:
I'm not real picky about sniper rifles. A good scope and the ability to kill with one clean shot to the head is all I ask.

What REALLY matters is being given good oportunities to USE it. Far Cry was excellent in this regard, what with it's huge environments with lots of majorly distant enemies, plus all the foliage that the AI actually acknowledged as concealing you.

HL2 was crummy for long-range combat. Practically every weapon was irritatingly innacurate. The revolver was nice, and you could sorta snipe with it by holding the suit zoom key and fire key, then releasing the zoom key to fire. @_@ The crossbow was cool, but lousy for sniping. Shoot one guy, everyone else freaks out and runs and hides, and you can't even try to nail 'em as they try to escape because of the parabolic trajectory and slow speed.



I loved the crossbow in HL2, especially when you shoot someone in the head, he is all hanging there. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/devilish.gif

But I agree it was far better in far cry. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[BabyFace]

What I liked about "Serious Sam SE" about this was the fact that there were enough opportunities to use the Sniper rifle without being a camper (when an army of about 300 enemies is storming towards you, you may want to start decimating them while they're still far away).

[roryok]

Smoke39 said:
Far Cry was excellent in this regard, what with it's huge environments with lots of majorly distant enemies, plus all the foliage that the AI actually acknowledged as concealing you.



Yeah. Dammnit I love that game. Shame about the voice acting tho.

[hell-angel]

roryok said:

Smoke39 said:
Far Cry was excellent in this regard, what with it's huge environments with lots of majorly distant enemies, plus all the foliage that the AI actually acknowledged as concealing you.



Yeah. Dammnit I love that game. Shame about the voice acting tho.



Yeah, we need a new version of that game. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (with new levels of course. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

[Zaarin]

hell-angel said:
Yeah, we need a new version of that game. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (with new levels of course. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )



As my understanding, the X-Box version was what PC-version was supposed to be.

[hell-angel]

Zaarin said:

hell-angel said:
Yeah, we need a new version of that game. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif (with new levels of course. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )



As my understanding, the X-Box version was what PC-version was supposed to be.


You mean Far Cry instinct?? I heard that as well, the PC version rocked though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Ca Desert man]

Well a cool scene would be a level with just towers and all these enemies on the ground around these tall towers where you could use a jet pack to jump from tower to tower and snipe. The only problem I see with this is that DNF isn't going to be expansive levels per say.

[hell-angel]

Ca Desert man said:
Well a cool scene would be a level with just towers and all these enemies on the ground around these tall towers where you could use a jet pack to jump from tower to tower and snipe. The only problem I see with this is that DNF isn't going to be expansive levels per say.



Duke will most likely use his RPG or devastator for that anyway. I know I would. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Zaarin]

hell-angel said:
You mean Far Cry instinct?? I heard that as well, the PC version rocked though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Yup. And back to the topic, I watched first Tim Burton's Batman and Joker had revolver, which barrel was damn long, so I thought how about big caliber revolver with long barrel and scope as sniping tool in DNF and Duke could say "No Jokers allowed" when poppin some poor aliens head off from distance.

[hell-angel]

Zaarin said:
I watched first Tim Burton's Batman and Joker had revolver, which barrel was damn long, so I thought how about big caliber revolver with long barrel and scope as sniping tool in DNF and Duke could say "No Jokers allowed" when poppin some poor aliens head off from distance.



Yeah, that is one cool gun. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[someguy2435]

Simple sniper rifle. Nerf it to hell.


I hate snipers. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Magnamuz]

I think a good game sniper should be 1-shot-kill (upper part of body at least) and it must never take the eye from the scope till it needs to recharge all bullets again, if not you lose sight of the targets and their movement every time you shoot.


As regards how does it look....nothing so big and not with so many futuristic details on it, something simple or with the necesary good-looking touchs.

[someguy2435]

1-shot-kill snipers would totallly kill the feel of a Duke Nukem game.

[Magnamuz]

someguy2435 said:
1-shot-kill snipers would totallly kill the feel of a Duke Nukem game.



The FAQ talks about (probably) being able even to shoot off individual fingers.


2.27 - So tell me more about locational damage...
You will, pretty much, be able to shoot anyone anywhere and see them react to it. You will also see the damage at the exact point of impact. In fact, according to a recent post on the 3D Realms forums, you can even shoot off individual fingers!



I think for such a realistic killing, shots to the head and weak unprotected chest with a good sniper should be 1-shot-kill, it's just logical.


And anyway, http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif why should inefficient shooting keep "the feel of a Duke Nukem game" alive?
Humans and weak monsters should be easily taken out with a sniper, if not it loses all the sniper purpose.
Plus, with one shot of CS AWP sniper you can kill a living statue of Abraham Lincoln if you wanted to http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Reaper]

Revenant said:
I'm a simple person, I like the Unreal Tourney Sniper Rifle. The original Unreal Tournament that is.


I like the mechanics (only one shot to head, or multiple body shots kill) but I prefer the HL crossbow in style. The UT SR is absolutely balls in looks. Seems to me they used a very generic SR model.

[Kalki]

someguy2435 said:
Simple sniper rifle. Nerf it to hell.


I hate snipers. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



I look forward to meeting you on a dark urban level some night...

Wishing me away isn't going to keep me from your nightmares. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[roryok]

Kalki said:

someguy2435 said:
Simple sniper rifle. Nerf it to hell.


I hate snipers. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



I look forward to meeting you on a dark urban level some night...

Wishing me away isn't going to keep me from your nightmares. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif




could be a controversy stirring remark, but maybe the only peeps who don't like snipers are the ones who ain't no good at sniping? maybe?