Number of Weapons in DNF?

[ultra tree 85!]

How many weapons do you want to be in DNF?

[FireFly]

George said they were working on 13 or 14 weapon designs, back in 2000. They've obviously dropped some along the way, like the chainsaw, but right now they're looking at other experimental weapons to add in (having completed the core arsenal) so I guess there will be 12 or 13 weapons in the final game.

[Kalki]

1-0 as traditional weapons slots(making 10) and since we were told pipebombs are on a seperate quick-launch bind, 11. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[roryok]

Here's an idea:

(always wanted to see this in a game)

What if there was a system where you could pick up items from your environment and use them as weapons?

I don't mean necessarily like Postal 2, but more like a physics based system.

You can pick up an object and bash your enemy with it, whether it be an iron bar, a lamp, or a chicken wing

[Cerberus_e]

10 weapon slots, hopefully.

[Kalki]

roryok said:
Here's an idea:

(always wanted to see this in a game)

What if there was a system where you could pick up items from your environment and use them as weapons?

I don't mean necessarily like Postal 2, but more like a physics based system.

You can pick up an object and bash your enemy with it, whether it be an iron bar, a lamp, or a chicken wing



I'd like to have the first weapons slot dedicated to melee fighting. So you can pick up a single random object and perhaps even store it for later use. If your slot is empty, you fight with punches and kicks.

[Imfamous]

Cerberus_e said:
10 weapon slots, hopefully.



That's how I like it. Nice and classic. No need for any more than that.

[Cerberus_e]

Kalki said:

roryok said:
Here's an idea:

(always wanted to see this in a game)

What if there was a system where you could pick up items from your environment and use them as weapons?

I don't mean necessarily like Postal 2, but more like a physics based system.

You can pick up an object and bash your enemy with it, whether it be an iron bar, a lamp, or a chicken wing



I'd like to have the first weapons slot dedicated to melee fighting. So you can pick up a single random object and perhaps even store it for later use. If your slot is empty, you fight with punches and kicks.



you mean with kicks?

[Kalki]

I meant using punches and kicks. Was I somehow unclear?

[Bud Bundy]

10- max 12 weapons.
dont want a second UT2004 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

[roryok]

yeah aside from the melee thing I was talking about, I'm happy enough with just 10 - 12 weapons. Altho I'd like to see them as weapon classes, a bit like in vice city.

I.e. You can pick up a machine pistol, but later on you might find a slightly different type of machine pistol, which will replace the first one

[Micki!]

I voted 13, because i think that being a realistic number..!
We can safely assume these weapons will appear:
- Pistol (duh)
- Shotgun
- Some kind of machinegun
- Pipebombs
- RPG
- Shrinker
- Freeze ray
- Mighty boot

I'm not sure about the laser tripbombs, and Devastator though... But i expect more crazy/cool weapons from 3DR...
Remember this quote from George (May 2005)


Q: Have all the weapons been programed in and are usable in-game right now?
---
A: Yes. In, with animations, sound pass, and final textures. We'll probably add a couple more as we go, and there are some whacky ideas we want to explore, but all the base guns are in and we could ship with what we have.

[Kristian Joensen]

The range 10-15 should have been an option, I voted 10 just because that isn't an option.

[Cerberus_e]

Kristian Joensen said:
The range 10-15 should have been an option, I voted 10 just because that isn't an option.



while the half-life gun system is good for having more than 10 weapons, it's too slow in the heat of combat http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Kalki said:
I meant using punches and kicks. Was I somehow unclear?



but duke doesn't punch, he uses the mighty boot, that's what I meant http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

"while the half-life gun system is good for having more than 10 weapons"

But couldn't they use the Atomic Edition way of doing that ? like pressing twice on 7 brings up the expander ?

[FireFly]

Cerberus_e said:
while the half-life gun system is good for having more than 10 weapons, it's too slow in the heat of combat http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



In Half-Life 2 you can turn off the menu system.

[Kalki]

Cerberus_e said:

Kristian Joensen said:
The range 10-15 should have been an option, I voted 10 just because that isn't an option.



while the half-life gun system is good for having more than 10 weapons, it's too slow in the heat of combat http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Agreed.



Kalki said:
I meant using punches and kicks. Was I somehow unclear?



but duke doesn't punch, he uses the mighty boot, that's what I meant http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



That has indeed been the case to date. I think he should expand from there. Kicking things is useful. I'm hoping punches will help in persuading enemy characters into acting like NPCs, giving out helpful information with some "forceful interrogation".

[Cerberus_e]

Kristian Joensen said:
"while the half-life gun system is good for having more than 10 weapons"

But couldn't they use the Atomic Edition way of doing that ? like pressing twice on 7 brings up the expander ?



that's even slower http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


FireFly said:

Cerberus_e said:
while the half-life gun system is good for having more than 10 weapons, it's too slow in the heat of combat http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



In Half-Life 2 you can turn off the menu system.



I did that, then it's even slower http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
it's like in return to castle wolfenstein then http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kalki]

Kristian Joensen said:
"while the half-life gun system is good for having more than 10 weapons"

But couldn't they use the Atomic Edition way of doing that ? like pressing twice on 7 brings up the expander ?



They used that for Shadow Warrior too. Repeatedly toggle-pressing the weapon bind worked like an alt-fire cycling through different firing modes or bringing up the akimbo weapon. But we have a dedicated alt-fire bound seperately to the mouse for ages now.

[Kristian Joensen]

"that's even slower" It doesn't have to slow, not if they only have one alternative weapon for each weapon which even has got any alternative, besides the expander was the ony weapon that functioned this way in entire game.

Kalki, I am not talking about having this instead of alternate fire but to complement it.

[Cerberus_e]

then half-life's way is faster because you don't have to switch to weapon #1 before you can switch to alternative.

[Kalki]

Having more than 10 weapons is a lot to cycle through no matter how you cut it.

[FireFly]

Cerberus_e said:
then half-life's way is faster because you don't have to switch to weapon #1 before you can switch to alternative.


You don't have to do that in Half-Life 2, either (with the menu system disabled). Just double tap the weapon key.

[Cerberus_e]

FireFly said:

Cerberus_e said:
then half-life's way is faster because you don't have to switch to weapon #1 before you can switch to alternative.


You don't have to do that in Half-Life 2, either (with the menu system disabled). Just double tap the weapon key.



I didn't know that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
but then again, that has a big disadvantage, because that will only work if the primary weapon is not out of ammo.
if it's out of ammo it will send you to the tertiary (sp? I mean the third) weapon. while when you have a menu you can immediately see that because the primary weapon is red.

[Kristian Joensen]

That is certainly no problem if there is no 3rd weapon.

[Cerberus_e]

the ultimate solution is (when you have more than 10 weapons, which I have no problem with)
have the half-life menu system, but with EVERY WEAPON you can get in the game already in the menu (but those you don't have yet blacked out).
when you call the dropdown menu, it will also put the selection on a gun without ammo or that you don't have yet, so if you want the shotgun in HL, you can always press 22, and it doesn't matter if you have the machinegun already or if it's out of ammo.

because now if you have the shotgun you press [2][LM] (lm = left mouse button)
but as soon as you have to machinegun, you have to call the machinegun that way: [2][2][LM]
and when your machinegun is out of ammo, you call the shotgun like this again: [2][LM]
that's where I have trouble with, and the inconsistency of that is because I said "too slow for in the heat of the combat", it's not the menu itself I have trouble with (i find the HL menu very handy)

with my changes I mentioned, you can always call the shotgun with [2][2][LM], whether you have the machinegun or not, and whether the machinegun is out of ammo or not.

another change: [RM] = go out of the menu, cancel, keep current weapon in your hands.
I find that lacking in half-life as well, because when you call the menu and decide to use the same gun anyway (because you accidently called the menu, or because you see the weapon you wanted to switch to is red, out of ammo) the you have to re-select it. while with the addition of [RM] you can cgo out of the menu quickly http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Kristian Joensen said:
That is certainly no problem if there is no 3rd weapon.



then it's no problem no, but then it's no problem for the HL menu system as well.
so then you can as well stick with HL's system http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

Why not go the Final Fantasy way..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

"OMG, an alien is about to attack"
*Player turn - Choose weapon or item*
//chooses weapon - Machinegun
"eat this" *PANG, POW BOOM* (hit, hit, miss)
*Com turn*
//chooses item - OMG, medkit
"lololrofl, more life powar"
*player turn - choose weapon or item*
//chooses weapon - 'Explodo molar'
"Catch" *BOOOM!!!*

*A new enemy is closing from behind..!*

NOOO!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[SyntaxN]

I would say more than 10, but every weapon should be usefull!

[Micki!]

SyntaxN said:
I would say more than 10, but every weapon should be funny to use...


fixed that... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif
It's true... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[SyntaxN]

Micki! said:

SyntaxN said:
I would say more than 10, but every weapon should be funny to use...


fixed that... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif
It's true... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif


Yeah, usefull&funny http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
But in the end it´s more important to make a weapon fun than 100% usefull imo! (just realized that when you mentioned it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif)

[FireFly]

Cerberus_e said:
then it's no problem no, but then it's no problem for the HL menu system as well.
so then you can as well stick with HL's system http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


HL's menu system is still slower. You really notice the difference in HL2DM.

[Cerberus_e]

let's all go for painkiller's system then: no animation for pulling out/putting away a gun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

[Micki!]

Would be kinda sad with the mighty boot then..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

It would just pop up as a lightning, and then disappear at the very same moment... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[Cerberus_e]

not really, because you don't see the mighty boot before firing it.
so when you select the mighty boot the previous weapon will disappear, but nothing will come on the screen instead http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
but I want a key for the boot like in duke3D without having to switch to the mighty boot weapon http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
the key that is used for console these days. they could choose another key for console then.... numeric asterisk (*) then http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

I used the boot with clicking the middle mouse... And when double clicking, i open doors/use... That way it looked like i kicked the doors open...

However, it looked dump when the door opened against me... (sucking kick..!? WTF) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Ca Desert man]

Now I know this sounds stupid but why not just have a customizable weapon selection system so everybody is happy? You know like having you define the weapon keys so it fits your own hand? Also half it would be nice to have a way to wield two completely different weapons reguardless of the weight cause he's freaking DUKE NUKEM! Also maybe have the mighty boot upgrades like a spikey boot to run up walls for a little bit or a switch blade boot?

[Ca Desert man]

Oh one more stupid idea I'd like this .50 pistol to be in the game. Please pretty please?

[Zaarin]

^^ Does that pretty fifty-cal revolver have a name? Maybe too bling for Duke, it should be gold... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Ca Desert man]

SKU: Safari Club International - Custom Engraved

The Big 5 – ONLY 300 PRODUCED

Safari Club International and Smith & Wesson join forces to bring to you the first limited edition Safari Club International Collectable. What makes this limited edition even more valuable is the fact that it is built on the award winning Model 500, the most powerful production revolver in the world.


There will be two versions of this highly collectable edition revolver. The first will be "The Masters Edition", and it will be hand engraved by Smith & Wesson's master engraver. This gun will be adorned with 24kt raised gold inlays of the African BIG 5, and the markings on the barrel will be 24kt gold flush inlayed. To add the final touch, the gun will come with a target grip made of genuine elephant ivory. The serial number range for the Master Edition will be SCI0001 – SCI0005.

The price on the Master's Edition is $10,000.00
(Sorry, the Master's Edition is sold out)

The second version of the Big 5 will be the "Limited Edition". This version will have the same theme, but instead of hand engraved it will come with roll-sculptured engraving. The images of the African BIG 5 will be selectively plated in 24kt gold, as well as the barrel markings. The grips for the limited edition will be imitation Ivory, and the serial number range will be SCI0006 – SCI0300.

The price on the Limited Edition is $3,000.00



Both versions of the BIG 5 will come with a glass top presentation case, so they can be properly displayed for everyone to admire.

[Zaarin]

Ca Desert man said:
grip made of genuine elephant ivory.



Isn't that stuff illegal these days? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Anyway, thanks for the info.

[Ca Desert man]

anytime oh and maybe that elephant has rabies or something I don't know but that is probably why it is sold out.

[Viper Knight]

Quality over quantity. If there are only three weapons in the game, and if they are really, really, fun to use I wouldn't mind. It would be better than having twenty shit guns which you keep cycling through every ten seconds because you can't find one you like.

That's another thing to. I think the game should be designed where you use the same one or two guns for a while, and then just when the player will get sick of them, you replace them with a couple of new weapons to last them for a while again. I think Half-Life had a knack for doing this. One of the things I can't stand is when I've got all these weapons and I'm never satisfied with the one I'm using because I'm not sure if it's the most effective with the enemies I'm fighting. Of course, there should be some room for tactics but, essentially, weapon selection and use should be linear. If there's only one mantra we have with shooters, it is that we should try to keep player's thinking to a minimum. Heavy thinking in an action oriented game, I believe, breaks the immersion.

[hell-angel]

10 good ones. But as long as they are good, if they have to reduce the coolness (and usefullnes) so they could introduce more, I want less. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Echo Black]

Around 15 seems fresh enough...

[Big poppa]

10 is enough.

[Little Conqueror]

15+, along with suggestions.

1) Mighty Foot
2) Pistol
3) Shotgun
4) Assault Rifle w/ Grenade Launcher
5) RPG
6) Pipebomb
7) Shrinker
8) Freezer
9) Energy Cannon
10) Minigun
11) Flamethrower
12-15+) 3D Realms' original ideas

I'm pretty sure we'll agree that 1-8 are ones that we can expect to see (1 and 2 are obvious; 3 is a given; 4 we haven't talked about but was in the previous incarnations of the game and very solid; 5 is a given; 6 has been hinted at; 7 has been nearly confirmed (but nothing solid yet, I don't want to put words in George's mouth or anything); and 8 I for some reason remember reading about in the same vein as #7. The rest are all subjective, but I'm very sure that 3D Realms will not disappoint when it comes to original weapons. Have they ever? Nope.

[Micki!]

If all weapons will have a secondary fire mode, it would double the amount of weapons... Right..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Micki! said:
If all weapons will have a secondary fire mode, it would double the amount of weapons... Right..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



no, it only doubles the amount of ammo types, except if some guns have shared ammo

[ultra tree 85!]

Little Conqueror said:
15+, along with suggestions.

1) Mighty Foot
2) Pistol
3) Shotgun
4) Assault Rifle w/ Grenade Launcher
5) RPG
6) Pipebomb
7) Shrinker
8) Freezer
9) Energy Cannon
10) Minigun
11) Flamethrower
12-15+) 3D Realms' original ideas

I'm pretty sure we'll agree that 1-8 are ones that we can expect to see (1 and 2 are obvious; 3 is a given; 4 we haven't talked about but was in the previous incarnations of the game and very solid; 5 is a given; 6 has been hinted at; 7 has been nearly confirmed (but nothing solid yet, I don't want to put words in George's mouth or anything); and 8 I for some reason remember reading about in the same vein as #7. The rest are all subjective, but I'm very sure that 3D Realms will not disappoint when it comes to original weapons. Have they ever? Nope.



Actually, the shrinker and freezer are definately going to be in.
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/sh...8&fpart=all (http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=dnf&Number=771972&Page=8&fpart=all)

[Cerberus_e]

he even forgot the devastator

[Gatinater]

I'm a fan of enviormental improve weapons.

[Gatinater]

Zaarin said:
^^ Does that pretty fifty-cal revolver have a name? Maybe too bling for Duke, it should be gold... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



I can see Smith a wesson inscribed across the BBL. It must be the .500 Smith & Wesson magnum cartridge. It's just the model 500 all fancied up.

[Little Conqueror]

Cerberus_e said:
he even forgot the devastator



I like the Devastator, but I don't remember seeing anything about it.

[Cerberus_e]

I thought you were talking about "what should be in DNF", because you haven't seen anything about a minigun do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
and why do you need a minigun when there is the chaingun?

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:
I thought you were talking about "what should be in DNF", because you haven't seen anything about a minigun do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
and why do you need a minigun when there is the chaingun?



Because the minigun is the handheld version of a gaitling gun, and that gun owns all machine gun types. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Little Conqueror]

Cerberus_e said:
I thought you were talking about "what should be in DNF", because you haven't seen anything about a minigun do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
and why do you need a minigun when there is the chaingun?



I never said that there would be a minigun for sure. It's just one of my suggestions.

[hell-angel]

Little Conqueror said:

Cerberus_e said:
I thought you were talking about "what should be in DNF", because you haven't seen anything about a minigun do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
and why do you need a minigun when there is the chaingun?



I never said that there would be a minigun for sure. It's just one of my suggestions.



And a good idea it is, and this is what I think it should look like (I posted it before somewhere I believe):

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:

Little Conqueror said:

Cerberus_e said:
I thought you were talking about "what should be in DNF", because you haven't seen anything about a minigun do you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
and why do you need a minigun when there is the chaingun?



I never said that there would be a minigun for sure. It's just one of my suggestions.



And a good idea it is, and this is what I think it should look like (I posted it before somewhere I believe):



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
The One in Predator is still my favorite... It didn't have that big 'barrel' where the ammo goes... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Gatinater]

What the facination with the mini vulcan? It's an emplacement. No one could actually shoot that without it being mounted to stable weapons platform, vehicle or aircraft.

Why not just use something more reasonable and just as effective. Such an LMG. Like an M60 or a SAW or similar?

[hell-angel]

Gatinater said:
What the facination with the mini vulcan? It's an emplacement. No one could actually shoot that without it being mounted to stable weapons platform, vehicle or aircraft.

Why not just use something more reasonable and just as effective. Such an LMG. Like an M60 or a SAW or similar?



Because the minigun looks (and sounds) cooler. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

And besides, it's duke we are talking about, it's not like he can't handle it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

hell-angel said:

Gatinater said:
What the facination with the mini vulcan? It's an emplacement. No one could actually shoot that without it being mounted to stable weapons platform, vehicle or aircraft.

Why not just use something more reasonable and just as effective. Such an LMG. Like an M60 or a SAW or similar?



Because the minigun looks (and sounds) cooler. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

And besides, it's duke we are talking about, it's not like he can't handle it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Blan from Predator could handle it...
And the guys in AVP2 and of course Serious Sam... Why shouldn't Duke get the chance in use one..!? It's not like Duke is more realistic than those people... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[roryok]

Gatinater said:
What the facination with the mini vulcan? It's an emplacement. No one could actually shoot that without it being mounted to stable weapons platform, vehicle or aircraft.



Well, whats the fascination with a guy who fights horny aliens / mutated pigs in cop uniforms / giant floating brains single handedly, using over the top one liners and a variety of impossible weapons including a shrink ray??

I think a six barrelled machine gun isn't really overstepping the mark of reality here.

[Little Conqueror]

The chaingun is a staple of the FPS genre, anyway.

Wolf 3-D
Doom
Duke Nukem 3-D (the ripper is, after all, a chaingun)
Quake II
Unreal series
Team Fortress Classic
Quake III: Team Arena
AvP2
Serious Sam

Chainguns rule. There's nothing like firing over a thousand rounds per minute and ripping targets to shreds.

[hell-angel]

Technically speaking it is a gaitling gun, a chaing gun uses a chain but does not have a rotating barrel like the gaitling gun (or mini gun for the handheld variant). http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But the one in Duke is indeed a chaingun (if it is indeed chainfed i.e. using a belt)

[roryok]

On the melee weapons issue...

Just read the review of xb360s Condemned: Criminal Origins over at gamespy.

Quote from that:
You'll quickly come to find, however, that relying on firearms won't get you very far, as they're severely limited by the fact that they require ammo. As is generally the case in real-life, you're not likely to find boxes of shotgun shells just lying around in rundown buildings. Instead, you'll have to use the objects in the environment as makeshift weapons. You can tear a section of metal pipe or an electrical conduit from the wall, pick up a crowbar or nail-studded 2x4, or break an emergency case's glass to snatch a fire axe.


sounds like what we were talking about! Looking forward to playing this...

[hell-angel]

It maybe like RL, but it sure is boring is there is no good looking martial arts in it IMO. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Cerberus_e]

vulcan raven also has that gun... it's said in the game itself he's so powerful because it's only used on helicopters/airplanes http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:
vulcan raven also has that gun... it's said in the game itself he's so powerful because it's only used on helicopters/airplanes http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



But the helicopter and airplane version doesn't use normal sized bullets. That's why they are so powerfull there. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[FireFly]

I liked the minigun Arnie wielded in T2.

[Micki!]

FireFly said:
I liked the minigun Arnie wielded in T2.



I didn't like the sound of that minigun though...
The Predator Minigun sounded kickass... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Zaarin]

^^Micki, my fellow forumer, didn't you know that the weapon sounds aren't allways recorded from the original weapon? I myself find it wery funny as standard 9mm Beretta sound like crap in film x and awesome in film z. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

Zaarin said:
^^Micki, my fellow forumer, didn't you know that the weapon sounds aren't allways recorded from the original weapon? I myself find it wery funny as standard 9mm Beretta sound like crap in film x and awesome in film z. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



That's true...
IMO, games shouldn't have realistic sounds for weapons... They just have to sound cool... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[SyntaxN]

Micki! said:
IMO, games shouldn't have realistic sounds for weapons... They just have to sound cool... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif


Totally agree http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Better nice and powerfull instead of bland but realistic http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

[Micki!]

SyntaxN said:

Micki! said:
IMO, games shouldn't have realistic sounds for weapons... They just have to sound cool... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif


Totally agree http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Better nice and powerfull instead of bland but realistic http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif



True...
Mo9st people would surely agree by rather having a weak weapon with great sounds, than a powerfull weapon with 'bad' sounds (wimpy and weak)...

Especially explosions... Game companies have a habit in using the same explosion sound for every explosion for some games... (AvP2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif)

[Zaarin]

Yeah, I want also big booms and big splatters.
"This is my *boomstick*!"

[Micki!]

Zaarin said:
Yeah, I want also big booms and big splatters.
"This is my *boomstick*!"



Rether that^^
Than a "This is my *PAFFstick*" *Paff-paff*
Or "suck my *bangstick*... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/brickwall.gif

[Zaarin]

^^You think that I should have used CAPS? Me likes to wake neighbours with my 15" subwoofer! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif And get every veteran in five block radius to crap in their pants! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Micki! said:
Especially explosions... Game companies have a habit in using the same explosion sound for every explosion for some games... (AvP2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif)



and duke3d http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

Zaarin said:
^^You think that I should have used CAPS? Me likes to wake neighbours with my 15" subwoofer! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif And get every veteran in five block radius to crap in their pants! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


Heh... Nah, with the CAPS, i was refering how stupid exactly that name would sound... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

Imagine shouting: "You think you're badass enough, but just wait till you suck my *PAFFstick* http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif
Or maybe even *PUFFstick* (sounds almost fluffy and soft.! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)

[SyntaxN]

DOOM³ had *PUFFstick*´s which got the name pistol, mg and chaingun from id... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

SyntaxN said:
DOOM³ had *PUFFstick*´s which got the name pistol, mg and chaingun from id... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Haha..! That's funny, becasue it's true...
The chaingun though was more like a *PAFFstick*... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

This forum software has got an annoying error where if there is only 1 post on the latest page of a thread then it displays a page number which is 1 to small on the index.

This post fixes that with regards to this thread.

[SyntaxN]

Micki! said:

SyntaxN said:
DOOM³ had *PUFFstick*´s which got the name pistol, mg and chaingun from id... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Haha..! That's funny, becasue it's true...
The chaingun though was more like a *PAFFstick*... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif


Well, I don´t think that´s funny because it´s damn sad and simply poor http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif (and forced me to use Trends original sounds!)
Yep *PAFFstick* is the right name for such a lame sounding weapon http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Zaarin]

How about *PIFFstick*? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Micki!]

SyntaxN said:

Micki! said:

SyntaxN said:
DOOM³ had *PUFFstick*´s which got the name pistol, mg and chaingun from id... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Haha..! That's funny, becasue it's true...
The chaingun though was more like a *PAFFstick*... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif


Well, I don´t think that´s funny because it´s damn sad and simply poor http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif (and forced me to use Trends original sounds!)
Yep *PAFFstick* is the right name for such a lame sounding weapons http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Actually, i found this great mod for Doom 3... It contains some great sound effects for the game, as well as alternate fire functions for some weapons, and other alterations...
I'd recomend you to try it out if your current Doom 3 experience is fading out...

Unfortunately... I've forgotten what it's called..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[SyntaxN]

There are many mods out there which fit with this description http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
But I don´t want any secondary functions, extra weapons or whatever...I just want the stuff which is there to be *perfect* http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Kristian Joensen said:
This forum software has got an annoying error where if there is only 1 post on the latest page of a thread then it displays a page number which is 1 to small on the index.

This post fixes that with regards to this thread.



I don't have that problem

EDIT: I have it too http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[hell-angel]

Cool weapon sounds are a must, there is no reason to not have a cool looking weapons with beautifull kick ass explosions and a powerfull sound.


Let's hope 3DR will do it right on DNF (and HH on prey for that matter. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif )

[Ca Desert man]

what about this as a machine gun not a mini gun?

[Little Conqueror]

No. There's already most likely an assault rifle w/ grenade attachment in the game (it was featured predominantly in the first E3 video and appeared several times in the second). It's also not suitable as a replacement for a minigun: miniguns are for getting as much lead in one general area as you can in as short a time as you can possibly fit. Assault rifles are for controlled bursts.

[hell-angel]

Little Conqueror said:
No. There's already most likely an assault rifle w/ grenade attachment in the game (it was featured predominantly in the first E3 video and appeared several times in the second). It's also not suitable as a replacement for a minigun: miniguns are for getting as much lead in one general area as you can in as short a time as you can possibly fit. Assault rifles are for controlled bursts.



Correct, and besides, a minigun looks and sounds so much cooler. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[SyntaxN]

imo two machineguns would be perfect, the M4 with a grenade launcher and the minigun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hell-angel]

SyntaxN said:
imo two machineguns would be perfect, the M4 with a grenade launcher and the minigun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



More is better. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Joe Siegler]

There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



THe mighty boot..! I knew it..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[hell-angel]

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



oh, I wonder what weapon it is. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

Just to stop any ranting before it begins:
for those dumb enough (or not smart enough, however you want to phrase that) Joe was joking here. (I hope http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif ), there are more weapons in DNF then just one (unless he was refering to the machine gun, in that case he might not be joking, or maybe he was, we will not know until release (or he tells us)) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



those memories, you made that joke before http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
I think it was with "just one pixel" or so.

[Zaarin]

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Duke's Enourmous Tool? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[stockboy]

Ya, Duke just stabs people in the eye with a cigar!

[SyntaxN]

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


lol, mighty boot with rocketlauncher, shotgun, shrinker etc.. upgrades? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Ca Desert man]

oh so there won't be a minigun and sub machine gun? Just a machine gun? ahh I wanted to tear up some jungle terrain like in preditor.

[roryok]

Zaarin said:

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Duke's Enourmous Tool? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Well he is all out of gum. Maybe he's out of gun too?

[Micki!]

roryok said:

Zaarin said:

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Duke's Enourmous Tool? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Well he is all out of gum. Maybe he's out of gun too?


He has being chewing on his own Boomstick..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[roryok]

Micki! said:

roryok said:

Zaarin said:

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Duke's Enourmous Tool? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Well he is all out of gum. Maybe he's out of gun too?


He has being chewing on his own Boomstick..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif



Wait for it....

...so THATS why DNF is taking so long!!!

[SyntaxN]

Micki! said:

roryok said:

Zaarin said:

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Duke's Enourmous Tool? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Well he is all out of gum. Maybe he's out of gun too?


He has being chewing on his own Boomstick..?! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif


*huge lol* http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[Little Conqueror]

Cerberus_e said:

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



those memories, you made that joke before http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
I think it was with "just one pixel" or so.



"Just one poly. But it's a really good one." XD

Joe wins the topic! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif

[Gatinater]

Micki! said:

hell-angel said:

Gatinater said:
What the facination with the mini vulcan? It's an emplacement. No one could actually shoot that without it being mounted to stable weapons platform, vehicle or aircraft.

Why not just use something more reasonable and just as effective. Such an LMG. Like an M60 or a SAW or similar?



Because the minigun looks (and sounds) cooler. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

And besides, it's duke we are talking about, it's not like he can't handle it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Blan from Predator could handle it...
And the guys in AVP2 and of course Serious Sam... Why shouldn't Duke get the chance in use one..!? It's not like Duke is more realistic than those people... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif



You mean Jesse Ventura, I think.

Well that was a movie and that minigun was a prop that didn't fire real ammunition. So it didn't have the power a real mini gun has. Load a gun with light blanks and it won't kick or climb at all. Like shooting a cap gun. Plus 7.62x51 lets off a huge muzzle flash. The flash exiting those barrels was just a poof.

Ever fire a .30 caliber weapon. It kicks & climbs like a 12 gauge. My opinion it's worse. The entire gunners cabin and the rear of the cockpit including the exterior the aircract in a black hawk rattles when one of those mini guns fires live ammunition.

My dad's hue gunship was armed with dual .30 caliber minis and the entire aircraft would rattle when the pilot would fire them. So if they effect the aircraft like that which weighs tons not including the weight of the passangers how do you think it would handle if a person tried to fire it unmounted?

Those things eject brass like a huricane. I don't recall ever seeing nearly enough brass actually coming out of the gun or any at all.

The weapon that arnold and Jesse used was probably all light plastic and fired caps, not bullets. Then editing and special effects did the rest to make it sound and look real.

Anyways, Duke has the ripper. Same barrel cooling principle with originality. That is.. if it makes a return.

[Michelangelo]

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



MIne - Read other THREAD

[Cerberus_e]

Little Conqueror said:

Cerberus_e said:

Joe3DR said:
There's just one weapon. But it's a really badass one. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



those memories, you made that joke before http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
I think it was with "just one pixel" or so.



"Just one poly. But it's a really good one." XD

Joe wins the topic! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/woot.gif



that was it... how many polygons enemies have... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif good job.