Do you still think xbox will win the console war?

[dudetheman19]

Before the launch of Xbox360 there were tons of articles about xbox360 being favored in winning the console war. Even Playstation fanboys were scared that the xbox would win the console war.

Now xbox360 has been released! Are you guys still confident that xbox360 will beat PS3? Or have all the problems with xbox360, and the "not too great" reviews of xbox360 made you change your mind?

Before the xbox360 launch, I was one of the people being scared that xbox was going to win the war, due to better developing tools and an early release. But with all xbox360s flaws my money are on PS3.

Some of the reasons I doubt xbox360:
1. DUmb design (only looks cool when it stands - who wants one lieing on top of they DVD-player/musicplayer etc.
2. It's DVD-player should according to reviews be pretty bad.
3. REALLY noisy (thats what they say in just about all reviews)
4. HUGE electrical output
5. Same graphics as high end computers now
6. Isnt future secured (no Blueray)

What are your thoughts?

[XPM]

Nintendo will win the console war. No question about it.

Xbox 360 has problems with overheating..It's too noisy and people consider it more of a home entertainement system / Computer then a console.

The Sony Playstation 3 will be too expencive for anybody but rich people to buy. It probably wont come out until 2007 and articles I've read about it says that developers are having a hard time developing games for it.

The Nintendo Revolution will be the cheapest console and will feature a uniqe and innovative controller, free services and it will be for pure gaming only!

There are alot of other reasons too but these are some of the most important ones.

[clayasaurus]

Why not including Nintendo? That is who I'd vote for.

[Gryph]

How about another option "It doesn't matter"?

[widowmaker]

I do not think there will ever be a winner or end to the console war. If there ever is then god help the customer becuase the winner will be able to charge whatever they want and put out any level of game and not care.

[Vivi]

I vote for the new Sega console!!!

Wait...

[Hudson]

Whenever the PS3 is released it won't be a war, it'll be a massacre. Not only is the system more powerful and has advanced technologies (bluray), full backwards compatability for both PS1 and PS2 games, but they're going to kick out Killzone 2, MGS4, a FF7 remake and a ton of other AAA titles.

Although only time will tell, may the best console win. I however will be sticking with the ultimate gaming platform ever created.. the PC.

[LeadBullet]

Seriously, why should anyone care. Theres many different ways to argue how one console might "beat" another. But as far as how well they did, I think last I checked the PS2 beat XBox and Gamecube, yet Xbox and Gamecube weren't any less enjoyable to any of the people that bought them.

The only time anyone should care is when Sega is involved because after a lot of people buy their stuff they always tank and drop support for everything, and as Sega proves, even if a console dies the fans will never shut up about it, so its pointless to care or speculate about any of it.

[PlayfulPuppy]

Hudson said:
Whenever the PS3 is released it won't be a war, it'll be a massacre. Not only is the system more powerful and has advanced technologies (bluray), full backwards compatability for both PS1 and PS2 games, but they're going to kick out Killzone 2, MGS4, a FF7 remake and a ton of other AAA titles.



Not to mention their 'campaigns' haven't failed yet.

The PS3 will probably fly off shelves, and have far, far more problems than the XBox 360.

I think if anyone 'wins', it'll be Sony. Only problem I have with that is their fairly unscrupulous practices.

Nintendo is probably going to be the same as this generation; lots of great titles and a good focus on pure gameplay, but the sales will be lacklustre.

[avatar_58]

PlayfulPuppy said:
Nintendo is probably going to be the same as this generation; lots of great titles and a good focus on pure gameplay, but the sales will be lacklustre.



That depends, if this controller is as good as they say it is....and if the console is cheap then it should have no trouble selling like hot cakes.

[Neptune]

Hudson said:
Whenever the PS3 is released it won't be a war, it'll be a massacre. Not only is the system more powerful and has advanced technologies (bluray), full backwards compatability for both PS1 and PS2 games, but they're going to kick out Killzone 2, MGS4, a FF7 remake and a ton of other AAA titles.

Although only time will tell, may the best console win. I however will be sticking with the ultimate gaming platform ever created.. the PC.



TOAST! I agree 100%!

[LeadBullet]

avatar_58 said:

PlayfulPuppy said:
Nintendo is probably going to be the same as this generation; lots of great titles and a good focus on pure gameplay, but the sales will be lacklustre.



That depends, if this controller is as good as they say it is....and if the console is cheap then it should have no trouble selling like hot cakes.



They are good at making things that seem like good ideas, and are kind of cool but in the end people don't really go for, the guns, power glove, virtual boy etc. I could easily be wrong but I can't really see people who want to spend 1-3 hours playing videogames in a single sitting wanting to be waving their arm\wrist around the entire time.

If it comes down to games where it doesn't use that function and the controller is held and used in a more normal way it looks to be about what a NES controller would be. Or maybe thats what they want is more watered down controls in games with fewer buttons. Which can probably turn out to be a good strategy because a lot of the women I know of at work that like to play videogames, often with their kids are all into things like Mario Kart and Mario Party, and played things like Legend of Zelda when they were kids. So a cheap console with things that would make kids actually play games with their kids than have their kids detach from the rest of the family can also be a good idea.

[Mblackwell]

The pretty much standardized and perfected as well as created many control setups, such as the original D-Pad setup, the 6 button setup (with shoulder buttons), the analogue stick, controller force feedback, hell even GameCube has afew interesting and useful (though underutilized) control mechanisms (mostly in this case I refer to the digital click at the end of pressing the shoulder buttons).



When they do something purposely big, rather than something only sufficiently novel, you can be certain they are going to push it to be the next wave.



As far as your knowledge of the controller, you do realize there's attachments, right? So... you know, there's even a shell in the works so you could play standard style games without control changes, but still have all of the active tilt controls.... nice.


So many possiblities.

[Murder]

Amiga will win!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[DK2000]

YEAH - I want an AMIGA CD32² - that would make a Amiga Blueray 1024 or Amiga Blueray 1k or something http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[The Dukenator]

Found this on another forum:
http://hardware.gamespot.com/Story-ST-x-1985-x-x-x

I'll put my money on the PS3.

[SyntaxN]

Gryph said:
How about another option "It doesn't matter"?

[IwantMORE]

Do you still think xbox will win the console war?

Ha Ha ha Ha ha ha ha ha heee...I mean No I don't

I was just reading a poll in Japan 72% want PS3 20(something)% for Nintendo and XB360

MS will be lucky to sell as many as Nintendo, saem as this time round, although Nintendo seem to have the advantage again with 200+ games at launch, backward compatable for thousands of games (including some of the best ever made).

So far the 360 has only one advantage, first to market. Once there is competition I expect sales to all but stop.

So far none of the games seem to be "must have" games for the 360 and the graphics only look better on new systems with a HD screen which most people don't have yet. But there will be a lot more around, and at a cheaper price, when the other consoles come out.

This time round I would place money on the 360 being No3 by the time the PS4 level consoles come out.

[SyntaxN]

I don´t think the XBox will *ever* win in japan, PS2 offers much better games for this market http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
But in the end I´m not interested in who wins because those companys have more money than I could imagine, I´m interested in games I like and at this point I see the PS3 on the same level with the 360.

[Michelangelo]

ps3 all the way http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[FireFly]

I think the PS3 will probably end up with more market share but Microsoft shouldn't be too far behind. In the end, the Xbox managed to capture 37% of the market, putting it only 8 percentage points behind the PS2.

As for Microsoft not having any 'advantages', what about Live?

[Joe Siegler]

What are your thoughts?



Where's the "Who gives a crap" and "Why do people always compare consoles, can't they just play games and enjoy them"? options?

[Steve]

Joe3DR said:

What are your thoughts?



Where's the "Who gives a crap" and "Why do people always compare consoles, can't they just play games and enjoy them"? options?


Good luck with that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Dr. Kill]

dudetheman19 said:
Some of the reasons I doubt xbox360:
1. DUmb design (only looks cool when it stands - who wants one lieing on top of they DVD-player/musicplayer etc.




I don't think so. I actually wanted to set mine up horizontal. I hate how it looks vertical. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



2. It's DVD-player should according to reviews be pretty bad.




It works fine. Works better than the XBox one. I rarely trust reviews.



3. REALLY noisy (thats what they say in just about all reviews)




It is a bit noisy, but then again, so was the PS2. With some games, the ps2 got so noisy that the 360 is quiet as a mouse in comparison. You also have to consider, the 360's DVD player runs at a pretty high rate. When you play DVD movies, the 360 get quieter, though. I use headphones most of the time with my 360, so I never hear the noise.



4. HUGE electrical output




Yeah. It was a pain in the ass to get it to sit right behind my 360. Although, a huge power brick is better than a huge console, imho.



5. Same graphics as high end computers now




How is that a bad thing? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif It's cheaper than a pc that would deliver the same quality. (unless you are one of those poor suckers on ebay)

Some games look like crap, or close to last gen (THAW, Amped 3, Gun), but the console is in a bit of a transition period. Not as much as Dreamcast was, but still a lot of the games for 360 are ported from last gen. The second wave will be stronger.



6. Isnt future secured (no Blueray)




The 360's 10 gig discs should be enough. The largest XBox games were only 5 gig. GTA 3 was great looking, and was only 700MB! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif The 360 has better compression, so I don't think size will be a problem.

We will see. These are just my opinions, I don't want another bullshit argument. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Thewho]

FireFly said:
I think the PS3 will probably end up with more market share but Microsoft shouldn't be too far behind. In the end, the Xbox managed to capture 37% of the market, putting it only 8 percentage points behind the PS2.

As for Microsoft not having any 'advantages', what about Live?



I don't think so, the PS2 has just broken the 100 million barrier (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/672/672793p1.html). I think the xbox sold something like 30 million and the Game cube 25 million, from what I've read, so xbox was far behind in this generation.

[IwantMORE]

Globaly I think the gamecube has almost sold as many, and as the 360 will kill demand for XB but the cube is still selling, all be it in small numbers, there is a good chance by the true end of this round of consoles sales figures will forever record the XB as 3rd place.

[Twin]

XPM said:
Nintendo will win the console war. No question about it.





Exactly...

The way you gotto see this is if the gaming industry ever gets less profitable you won't be seeing anymore playstations and x-box's but you will be seeing Nintendo consoles...

no matter what happens to the industry Nintendo is always going to be around when the Playstation and Xbox is long gone...

simple. as. that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

who will win the race?...well that's obvious after what i just said http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[dudetheman19]

Joe3DR said:

What are your thoughts?



Where's the "Who gives a crap" and "Why do people always compare consoles, can't they just play games and enjoy them"? options?



your thought = "Who gives a crap" and "Why do people always compare consoles, can't they just play games and enjoy them"?

There we go. Wasnt too hard was it?
Cannot include every single option out there, and that's why I wrote "What are your thoughts" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[SyntaxN]

Dr. Kill said:
How is that a bad thing? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif It's cheaper than a pc that would deliver the same quality. (unless you are one of those poor suckers on ebay)

Some games look like crap, or close to last gen (THAW, Amped 3, Gun), but the console is in a bit of a transition period. Not as much as Dreamcast was, but still a lot of the games for 360 are ported from last gen. The second wave will be stronger.


The *360 games will just look as good as highend PC games* argument is total crap imo, the exclusive titles might look a way better...just look at some of the latest lastgen games and what devs did with those "crappy" consoles http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Otherwise, what will happen when PS3 games *really* look like this (http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614722/killzone-next-gen-20050516075934164.jpg) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
MS would´ve a serious problem when they haven´t anything which could be compared with this one...but on the other hand Sony and Guerilla would be f*cked pretty hard when the game don´t looks like on those shots in the end http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[FireFly]

Thewho said:
I don't think so, the PS2 has just broken the 100 million barrier (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/672/672793p1.html). I think the xbox sold something like 30 million and the Game cube 25 million, from what I've read, so xbox was far behind in this generation.


Yes, but I was talking about the Xbox's market share for 2004, not the total number of units sold. The PS2 had a big head start on the Xbox, which only really started to come in to its own with the build up to Halo 2. My point is that Microsoft have proved they can compete with Sony in terms of market share, so if they get off to a strong start this time they may be able to hold their own in terms of overall system sales as well.

[Dr. Kill]

SyntaxN said:
what will happen when PS3 games *really* look like this (http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614722/killzone-next-gen-20050516075934164.jpg) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



The games will run at a shakey 12fps! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SyntaxN]

Dr. Kill said:

SyntaxN said:
what will happen when PS3 games *really* look like this (http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614722/killzone-next-gen-20050516075934164.jpg) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



The games will run at a shakey 12fps! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


hehe just like Killzone 1 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif *g*
Well no I don´t know if it´s possible to get such graphics....but when this game would look like that then uhm w00000t http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
And when it won´t look like that...bad Sony, pretty bad.

[FireFly]

Apparently Killzone was running off an alpha kit, but at less than 5 FPS.

[Shaam]

Hudson said:
I however will be sticking with the ultimate gaming platform ever created.. the PC.



me too.


Hudson said:
may the best console win..



May all consoles suck.

[Hudson]

Dr. Kill said:

SyntaxN said:
what will happen when PS3 games *really* look like this (http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614722/killzone-next-gen-20050516075934164.jpg) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



The games will run at a shakey 12fps! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



The MGS4 trailer had graphics on par with Killzone and Hideo even offered to show people the game running straight off of PS3 hardware for the non-believers.

[Tang Lung]

It's my opinion that the PS3 will dominate once again. Im only saying this going off the current franchises and comparing with this gen. Playstation offered more games and more variety as far as im concerned. The Xbox had a few exclusives but not enough Japanese support.

My opinion of Nintendo is still quite low though. I personally have no interest in any of the games on the game cube other the ones that are cross platform, and it seems the gamecube relies more and more on a hardcore fanbase (characterised by utter faith in the systems superiority, regardless of fact.)

At the end of the day, hardware is only a quarter of the battle, it's the games that matter obviously. And Im betting the PS3 will, like the system before it, interest me far more than any other system (not counting the PC).

[ZuljinRaynor]

I dunno. Doesn't matter. If anything I'll only get PS3 so I can play PS1 games and get PS2 games. And mayne some PS3 games.

[Damien_Azreal]

I have to agree with those that said "who cares". Why does there have to be a winner?

Besides, I never thought the Xbox won the first "console war". I was never sold on it, and I'm still not. Any really good games for it (that i'm interested in) are either on the PC (in better form) or on the PS2 (with more conforitable controls).

Besides... I'm a PC gamer, I won't be buying any of the new consoles. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And so nobody gets all sorts of pissed off, this is all IMHO. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ZuljinRaynor]

Damien_Azreal said:
I have to agree with those that said "who cares". Why does there have to be a winner?

Besides, I never thought the Xbox won the first "console war". I was never sold on it, and I'm still not. Any really good games for it (that i'm interested in) are either on the PC (in better form) or on the PS2 (with more conforitable controls).

Besides... I'm a PC gamer, I won't be buying any of the new consoles. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And so nobody gets all sorts of pissed off, this is all IMHO. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


Grr you pissed me off. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif


You stole my opinion. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

Hey, calm down... it was only your opinion. We can share it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Imfamous]

Xbox 360 certainly won't win; I'll tell ya that much. They slapped Xbox owners in the face one too many times, and now they are going to pay.

I don't however believe PS3 will do as well as the previous Playstations did. All the non-hardcore gamers (Playstation's base) will consider it way too expensive.

In the end, I think Nintendo will stop making Revolutions within the first two years. Sad, but true.

[SyntaxN]

FireFly said:
Apparently Killzone was running off an alpha kit, but at less than 5 FPS.


Yeah I heared that, but I dunno how much I can trust Guerrilla, my problem with them is that they weren´t able to prove that they actually can make a true AAA FPS game, but that might change with this one.



Hudson said:The MGS4 trailer had graphics on par with Killzone and Hideo even offered to show people the game running straight off of PS3 hardware for the non-believers.


When it comes to pure graphics the MGS4 trailer was no way on par with Killzone, but it has an awesome art style http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Anyway, MGS4 could´ve been a 360 game (according to Kojima)...

[Paroxysm]

Hudson said:

Dr. Kill said:

SyntaxN said:
what will happen when PS3 games *really* look like this (http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614722/killzone-next-gen-20050516075934164.jpg) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif



The games will run at a shakey 12fps! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



The MGS4 trailer had graphics on par with Killzone and Hideo even offered to show people the game running straight off of PS3 hardware for the non-believers.


Bullshit. The MGS4 trailer looked great but it wasn't the same quality as that pre rendered Killzone shit. MGS4 looks great yet achievable (not mind blowing but VERY nice) Killzone was just unrealistic expectations.

[Dr. Kill]

Hudson said:
The MGS4 trailer had graphics on par with Killzone and Hideo even offered to show people the game running straight off of PS3 hardware for the non-believers.



I know. I don't care though. I haven't cared about MGS since MGS2. Besides, I figure by the time the ps3 comes out, the 360 will be capable of the same graphics.

One thing to keep in mind, when XBox first came out, I didn't notice any difference between it and ps2 graphics wise. It wasn't until 2003 that I saw how much better XBox looked. Point is, if 360 ages as bad as ps2 did, and the ps3 has most of the games I like with better graphics, I'll be tempted to get a ps3. Only time will tell. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

I don't trust Sony on those screens right now, cause they said how "amazing" Gran Torismo 4, the Getaway, and Killzone would look, and didn't deliver. GT4 looked worse than PGR2 (which was 2 years old by that time). It had no "real time reflections" like they claimed it would, and the cars seemed to have no shading effects. It damn near looked like Dreamcast graphics, imo. The Getaway had really low res textures, bad lighting effects, and on top of that, the game played really badly. Killzone had serious frame rate problems, from what I hear.

[clayasaurus]

You're right, it doesn't matter if the Yankees beat the Red Sox, so as long as we have fun watching the game.

[SyntaxN]

Dr. Kill said:
Killzone had serious frame rate problems, from what I hear.


"Serious" isn´t enough, the game runs like sh*t except one level! In fact the PS2 could handle Killzone if Sony would have given the devs more time for polishing, this one level I´m talking about is nearly perfect optimized and runs very good...but the rest has framedrops down to 10 FPS or so http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Daveman]

Hudson said:
MGS4



PS3 wins.

[Dr. Kill]

SyntaxN said:
"Serious" isn´t enough, the game runs like sh*t except one level! In fact the PS2 could handle Killzone if Sony would have given the devs more time for polishing, this one level I´m talking about is nearly perfect optimized and runs very good...but the rest has framedrops down to 10 FPS or so http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



Damn! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif I didn't know it was that bad! That reminds me of (I think it was) an EGM review that said "This is a low speed zone"!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[ZuljinRaynor]

Damien_Azreal said:
Hey, calm down... it was only your opinion. We can share it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


If you give me your CPU and motherboard, we can share my opinion. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Love that title.

[Damien_Azreal]

Nah... I think I'll hang onto em. Kindof need em. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Phayzon]

Hardware wise. 360. the PS3 and 360 both have thier good points, but IMO the 360 is better in its good points than the PS3.

Software, Nintendo (followed by 360). 221+some titles at launch! (Granted, there NES, SNES, and N64 classics).

EDIT: And the Revolution and the PS3, like the 360, will have their launch problems.

EDIT2: IIRC, ther "current" console war (PS2, XB1, Cube) doesnt have a winner yet... I think its all based on biasism. Me, ive gone Nintendo all my life. Ive recently took interest in getting an Xbox (seeing as HaloPC is teh rux, hows Halo 1&2 on Xbox? And no, I dont have one, im saving up for the 360) Then woah the 360 comes out and will be mostly backwards compatible! Ive never really liked Sony, I used to like them for one reason, the CLIE. Now, they dont make it any more!

[dreweth]

Imfamous said:
Xbox 360 certainly won't win; I'll tell ya that much. They slapped Xbox owners in the face one too many times, and now they are going to pay.



Haha! What the ***** are you talking about?

[Dr. Kill]

Yeah. Seriously. I wasn't "slapped in the face". http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I love my XBox and my XBox 360.

[Cerberus_e]

SyntaxN said:
The *360 games will just look as good as highend PC games* argument is total crap imo, the exclusive titles might look a way better...



they don't look better as on the PC, simply because xbow exclusives aren't on the PC http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


SyntaxN said:
just look at some of the latest lastgen games and what devs did with those "crappy" consoles http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



yes, I see 640*480 with pixel doubling enabled. ugly as hell.

[Dr. Kill]

Cerberus_e said:
yes, I see 640*480 with pixel doubling enabled. ugly as hell.



well, you've lost me. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Cerberus_e]

I'm talking about games like Half-Life 2 on the original Xbox (not 360)

[SyntaxN]

Cerberus_e said:

SyntaxN said:
The *360 games will just look as good as highend PC games* argument is total crap imo, the exclusive titles might look a way better...



they don't look better as on the PC, simply because xbow exclusives aren't on the PC http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Come on, I´m talking about titles which get released in the same timeframe on PC http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


yes, I see 640*480 with pixel doubling enabled. ugly as hell.


yeah HL2 don´t looks so good (on screens it´s in fact horrible), I prefer Halo 2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Aside from that, I think you got me kinda wrong, I´m talking about the hardware specs and what they got out of those "few" (compared to many PC´s) MHZ....
Yeah a 733 pentium with a GF4 might be able to run Halo 2 or Splinter Cell 3 well in the same graphics quality but there is a big difference between could and is doing http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
That´s the only real disadvantage of PC´s imo, the unoptimized games compared to console stuff.

[Dr. Kill]

Cerberus_e said:
I'm talking about games like Half-Life 2 on the original Xbox (not 360)



Yeah, that was a big mistake. I hear it runs like shit, just like Killzone on PS2. I hear it looks like garbage, too. They should've waited til 360, or not bothered at all.

[Cerberus_e]

SyntaxN said:
Come on, I´m talking about titles which get released in the same timeframe on PC http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif




*sets up GMan voice*
we'll see about that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif


SyntaxN said:

yes, I see 640*480 with pixel doubling enabled. ugly as hell.


yeah HL2 don´t looks so good (on screens it´s in fact horrible), I prefer Halo 2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Aside from that, I think you got me kinda wrong, I´m talking about the hardware specs and what they got out of those "few" (compared to many PC´s) MHZ....
Yeah a 733 pentium with a GF4 might be able to run Halo 2 or Splinter Cell 3 well in the same graphics quality but there is a big difference between could and is doing http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif




well, assemble a pentium 3 with a Geforce 4 and it will be doing it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


SyntaxN said:
That´s the only real disadvantage of PC´s imo, the unoptimized games compared to console stuff.



you're talking about console to PC ports? then we blame that PC disadvantage on the consoles http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Dr. Kill said:

Cerberus_e said:
I'm talking about games like Half-Life 2 on the original Xbox (not 360)



Yeah, that was a big mistake. I hear it runs like shit, just like Killzone on PS2. I hear it looks like garbage, too. They should've waited til 360, or not bothered at all.



don't worry, it's backwards compatible... I think they'll let you use a higher resolution in the game on an Xbox 360. (I don't see a reason why they won't do it).

[SyntaxN]

Cerberus_e said:
*sets up GMan voice*
we'll see about that http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif


We´ll.... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


SyntaxN said:
well, assemble a pentium 3 with a Geforce 4 and it will be doing it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif


Yeah for sure, but no dev would optimize it that much for a PC, that would take a damn long time because there are more setups which don´t want to be treated different http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
That´s the main poblem of PC games (not only ports), the unoptimized code which could run a way better!
But that´s no reason to blame anybody, it´s understandable http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Dr. Kill said:
Yeah, that was a big mistake. I hear it runs like shit, just like Killzone on PS2. I hear it looks like garbage, too. They should've waited til 360, or not bothered at all.


I don´t think that Valve would release something like Killzone, no way... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Twin]

Dr. Kill said:
Yeah. Seriously. I wasn't "slapped in the face". http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif I love my XBox and my XBox 360.



i love my xbox aslo....the only way i think we've been slapped in the face was that it wasn't too long ago with te Xbox was even released and now we have the xbox 360...

you know, sales wise it was actually starting to take off pretty well this past year...so i'm guessing along with alot of other people i only just got an xbox last year myself (mainly for xbox live and outrun 2 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif ) and it just seems as though out of nowhere the 360 has arrived and has taken the place of the xbox (the double releases for xbox and a better version for 360 etc)...

i can't see why they jut ca't release older games on the x-box and put a stamp on it saying 'xbox 360 compatible' or something like that and just have a slightly updated graphical feature when you play it on the 360 rather than giving people a choice or something....but then i dunno, i guess people can buy what they want http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Tang Lung]

The 360 came out today in the UK..kind of anit climactic. If I wasn't mildly interesed I'd of had no idea. No big ads anywhere or anything like that.

[Phayzon]

Though I do not have an XBox or a 360 (yet). I love it. I like playing HaloPC with a joypad similar to the XBox's. I cant wait to get a 360 with Q4 (which is great for PC) and Halo Triple Pack.

[Cerberus_e]

triple?

[SyntaxN]

Cerberus_e said:
triple?

[Imfamous]

dreweth said:

Imfamous said:
Xbox 360 certainly won't win; I'll tell ya that much. They slapped Xbox owners in the face one too many times, and now they are going to pay.



Haha! What the ***** are you talking about?



I'm talking about:

- Hyping Halo 2 to be so great, and it really being a steaming pile of shit.

- When the first Xbox was released, they talked about how essential it is for a console to have a HD, and how primitive not having a HD was. So what do they do now? Make you have to pay extra for a HD. ****in hyprocrites.

- Making you have to pay extra for a wireless controller, when it should be standard.

[Tang Lung]

Ya, it's got Halo, Halo 2 and the Halo 2 mappack.

[FireFly]

Imfamous said:
I'm talking about:

- Hyping Halo 2 to be so great, and it really being a steaming pile of shit.

- When the first Xbox was released, they talked about how essential it is for a console to have a HD, and how primitive not having a HD was. So what do they do now? Make you have to pay extra for a HD. ****in hyprocrites.

- Making you have to pay extra for a wireless controller, when it should be standard.


Lots of people thought Halo 2 was great. I personally was a little disappointed with it, but I'm playing through it again and enjoying it a lot more now. It's basically Halo with more variety, in terms of the plot and gameplay, bigger scale vehicle action sequences and more NPC involvement.

Its average IGN user rating is 9.2, with a Gamespot user rating of 9.0, so by most accounts Microsoft delivered.

I don't think you'd be paying less (or much less) had Microsoft opted for one price point. They're already losing $130 on the premium bundle.

[Violence_Heals]

Once the Phantom is out, it 'll make the competition look like a hanging crap.

[dreweth]

Imfamous said:

dreweth said:

Imfamous said:
Xbox 360 certainly won't win; I'll tell ya that much. They slapped Xbox owners in the face one too many times, and now they are going to pay.



Haha! What the ***** are you talking about?



I'm talking about:

- Hyping Halo 2 to be so great, and it really being a steaming pile of shit.

- When the first Xbox was released, they talked about how essential it is for a console to have a HD, and how primitive not having a HD was. So what do they do now? Make you have to pay extra for a HD. ****in hyprocrites.

- Making you have to pay extra for a wireless controller, when it should be standard.



So, in summary, if I'm reading correctly:

1. You didn't like Halo 2.

2. You don't want to pay for a new 360.

3. You don't want to pay for a new 360.

So, really, in relation to current xbox owners getting slapped in the face too many times, you mean once. Subjectively.

Got it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[DudeMiester]

Hardware wise the PS3 is far superior. As we know the GPU in Xbox360 is roughly as fast as the X1800XT (ATI's words), and the GPU is the PS3 is at least as fast as the 7800GTX 512. We all know that the 7800 is the faster GPU, and thus the PS3 has the faster GPU. Now with CPUs, again the PS3 wins hands down performance wise, although it will definitly be more difficult to program for. However, it is certainly no more difficult then the PS2, and programmers seem fairly successful with that console. In the PS3 there are only 2 types of processors, in the PS2 there was about 5, same afaik for the PSP too. I really don't think it will be near as hard to program for as some people make it out to be. Not to mention that the PS3 will have the blue-ray drives (bigger games and much less loading time), have a HD standard (probably pre-loaded with Linux, and probably much larger then the 360's), and more connetivity, including dual monitor support. When it comes to hardware, the PS3 is the best without any doubt.

I would say the only advantage with the Xbox360 is software based. That is, MS can probably put together a much better SDK/IDE and console OS/interface then Sony could. However, with IBM making lots of Cell dev tools for Sony and 3rd parties (Mercury for instance), I wouldn't be so sure.

Also, since CELL is going to be used pretty extensively in HPC environments, I can only assume it will end up being cheaper to produce. For example, Mercury is making a rack server for use with medical imaging, where it will accelerate the construction of CT scan volumes by an order of magnitude. Of course, it's also very powerful in any situation where lots of FLOPS are needed, and ridiculously so when only SP is needed. Although, I heard that IBM was making a new CELL with beefier SPUs that can do DP only 1/2 as fast as SP, rather then the current situation of about 1/11. In this case, the CELL the most powerful CPU ever created by a HUGE margin. With the improved CELL, a single rack will get you into the current top 10 supercomputing list.

[Roger]

Whichever comes out the more powerful will be the one I go with, I suppose. I was expecting the PS2 to kick ass the last round, but I was disappointed. The controllers still felt cramped and it's the only game console I've played that's actually lagged games, and I'm talking about games designed specifically and only for the PS2.

I will admit, though, that I'm going to be partially biased to Nintendo on this next round if their controller really is as bad-ass as they say it is.

[FireFly]

DudeMiester said:
Hardware wise the PS3 is far superior. As we know the GPU in Xbox360 is roughly as fast as the X1800XT (ATI's words),


Where did they say this?


and the GPU is the PS3 is at least as fast as the 7800GTX 512. We all know that the 7800 is the faster GPU, and thus the PS3 has the faster GPU.


Lets look at what ATI have actually said:

Richard Huddy -

I began by asking Richard for his opinion on the Xbox 360 archtecture. "I'm really impressed," he commented, "It’s way better than I would have expected at this point in the history of 3D graphics. The unified shader architecture alone is capable of giving a performance increase of a factor of nearly two over the hardware that we have in PCs today. That's because we see many cases, and this is particularly true on consoles, where games are limited by one of the two groups of engines in the graphics chip, either the vertex engines or the pixel engines. With a unified pipeline we can now devote 100% of the hardware to which ever task is the bottleneck.

With the Xbox 360 Xenos core running at 500MHz, and the PlayStation3’s RSX graphics core running at 550MHz, the non-techie press are calling the specs a win for Sony. Is this really the case, though?

Richard is adamant that the extra graphics speed on paper is more than made up for by the differing architecture of the Xenos. "That mere 10% clock speed that RSX has on Xenos is easily countered by the unified shader architecture that we've implemented.

"Rather than separate pixel and vertex pipelines, we’'ve created a single unified pipeline that can do both. Providing developers throw instructions at our architecture in the right way, Xenos can run at 100% efficiency all the time, rather than having some pipeline instructions waiting for others. For comparison, most high-end PC chips run at 50-60% typical efficiency. The super cool point is that 'in the right way' just means 'give us plenty of work to do'. The hardware manages itself."

http://www.bit-tech.net/bits/2005/06/10/richard_huddy_ati/1.html

[Jeff]

I've heard the XBox360 sometimes catches fire, so I would wait until they get that fixed until I get one. Gonna wait until the price comes down anyways. First revision stuff always has bugs in it.

[Hudson]

Hmm, an xBox setting peoples houses on fire.. veja vu anyone?

[shiranui]

Hudson said:
Hmm, an xBox setting peoples houses on fire.. veja vu anyone?



veja du

duja ve

vedu ja

...

[Dr. Kill]

Jeff said:
I've heard the XBox360 sometimes catches fire



to that I say; BULLSHIT!

Mine never gets hot. People say it may just be problems with the giant power brick that gives some people problems. That caused problems with the slim PS2.

Found out today that the "360 scratches discs" thing is basically bullshit. Yes, it can scratch discs, but that only happens when you move the console while it's running. Whoever would do that is a moron.

I'm going to go get my warranty tomarrow, just in case. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[avatar_58]

Just so you know Dr. Kill.....it MAY do those behaviors. Just because it hasn't happened to you doesn't mean its bullshit. If someone says "Half-life has some issues with nvidia cards" and you own one and have no problems, that doesn't automatically mean everyone is dreaming.

Hell....windows has security holes, but I've never had any problems there. Doesn't mean its not true.

[oak man]

XPM said:
Nintendo will win the console war. No question about it.

Xbox 360 has problems with overheating..It's too noisy and people consider it more of a home entertainement system / Computer then a console.

The Sony Playstation 3 will be too expencive for anybody but rich people to buy. It probably wont come out until 2007 and articles I've read about it says that developers are having a hard time developing games for it.

The Nintendo Revolution will be the cheapest console and will feature a uniqe and innovative controller, free services and it will be for pure gaming only!

There are alot of other reasons too but these are some of the most important ones.


i agree nintendo looks like its comeing out ontop,360...all the way at the bottum,but then again, it doesn't surprise me.Nintendo is just doing what it does best, which is; setting new boundries,and "pushing the amvolope". this is what they do. they won the war in 1985 and i tell ya there goin' to win the war today!
-i still want a 360 though... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Lou Dog]

SyntaxN said:
[QUOTE]
Dr. Kill said:

Otherwise, what will happen when PS3 games *really* look like this (http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614722/killzone-next-gen-20050516075934164.jpg) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
MS would´ve a serious problem when they haven´t anything which could be compared with this one...but on the other hand Sony and Guerilla would be f*cked pretty hard when the game don´t looks like on those shots in the end http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif




Have you seen something like COD 2 in full HDTV? it looks amazing, i think you can compare it to that sony screen and its good competition. Just a question not looking for argument.