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I'm surprised there are no John Lennon fans here, or maybe you have forgotten, like they all forget, which is just a shame, truly a shame. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/thumbsdown.gif
Today is John Lennon's 25 death anniversary. He was shot in the back by Mark David Chapman when returning to his residence in the night of December 8th 1980.
Imagine what he would have done if he was still alive, imagine...
Rest in Peace. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Nessus
12-08-2005, 04:59 PM
Yeah I remember when he got shot, I was in like 7th grade, kids were crying in school.
i didn't realise he died before i was born http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif
Inanimate Carbon Rod
12-08-2005, 05:49 PM
Ivan do you randomly pick out bands that were popular before your time and idolize them? and then post about when they died?
Seriously though, Rest in Peace John Lennon. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif He was one of THE most influential musical artists of the 20th century. Without him, there is no Beatles. He will always be missed for his talent and charisma in underground politics (and sparking many trends that have evolved today)
Inanimate Carbon Rod said:
Ivan do you randomly pick out bands that were popular before your time and idolize them? and then post about when they died?
I don't actually idolize Lennon, I respect him, and think everyone should. I don't really know much about him.
Although I do idolize Kurt Cobain.
EDIT:
John said:
Seriously though, Rest in Peace John Lennon. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif He was one of THE most influential musical artists of the 20th century. Without him, there is no Beatles.
And no other great bands that got their inspiration from them. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Detharin
12-08-2005, 08:16 PM
Why is it we celebrate on the days great men died.
The Dukenator
12-08-2005, 08:36 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/lennon25th;_y...zkxBHNlYwN0bQ-- (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/lennon25th;_ylt=Albyggf0LV1xiZUJTL6Rjgus0NUE;_ylu= X3oDMTA2Z2szazkxBHNlYwN0bQ--)
I have a photo of John Lennon in a book somewhere, that's how I found out about him.
Book is titled "People Weekly Favorite Pictures: Special Collector's Edition" and it does have of pic of him with his son.
Scream
12-08-2005, 08:56 PM
I didn't forget Ivan. I'm a huge fan.
I can remember the day after he was killed. I was in music class at school (I was 11 pushing 12) and my music teacher was almost crying he was so upset. It was a very sad day indeed.
My local radio station played nothing but Beatles and John Lennon music today. I had the radio on all day at work, and it was a real tug on the emotions at times.
The world could use a few more idealistic dreamers like John.
Scream said:
I didn't forget Ivan. I'm a huge fan.
I can remember the day after he was killed. I was in music class at school (I was 11 pushing 12) and my music teacher was almost crying he was so upset. It was a very sad day indeed.
My local radio station played nothing but Beatles and John Lennon music today. I had the radio on all day at work, and it was a real tug on the emotions at times.
The world could use a few more idealistic dreamers like John.
I would like to have memories like these..but what good musician is still playing nowadays and that when he dies, million of people will cry and listen to his music intensivly for a while..none really left. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Imfamous
12-08-2005, 09:07 PM
Although I do idolize Kurt Cobain.
What do you idolize about Kurt Cobain?
thefly
12-08-2005, 11:46 PM
Ivan said:
or maybe you have forgotten, like they all forget, which is just a shame, truly a shame. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/thumbsdown.gif
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nelson3.gif
Yes, tell us like it is Ivan.
Mongorian
12-09-2005, 02:46 AM
Through your own admission you claim to know little of Lennon's life, so you must not know he was a wifebeater, only wrote a handful of solo stuff that wasn't an apology for said beatings, and that his big hit is the most annoying repetitive hippy tripe ever recorded. I wish he was still alive so I could punch him in the face for The Ballad of John and Yoko.
I guess you haven't checked out TIME, Newsweek, or even your daily paper to see that he is mentioned somewhere. If this is your definition of forgotten you really need to read a book.
Scream
12-09-2005, 06:36 AM
The man was far from perfect. Guess what? None of us are. He was troubled and angry most of his life, and I personally think was just starting to find some inner peace at the time of his death. Regardless, in his time he gave the world some remarkable music, and publicly stood for peace and love in a time when there was not much of it going around.
I will restate that I think the world could use a few more like John Lennon.
Mongorian said:
Through your own admission you claim to know little of Lennon's life, so you must not know he was a wifebeater, only wrote a handful of solo stuff that wasn't an apology for said beatings, and that his big hit is the most annoying repetitive hippy tripe ever recorded. I wish he was still alive so I could punch him in the face for The Ballad of John and Yoko.
I guess you haven't checked out TIME, Newsweek, or even your daily paper to see that he is mentioned somewhere. If this is your definition of forgotten you really need to read a book.
While Lennon wasn't the best of husbands (having fallen in love with Yoko while still married to Cynthia), he wasnt actually a wifebeater, but he did once cross the line and slap her in the heat of an argument. It was well known that John Lennon was an extremely jealous person (just listen to his songs http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif ), but it was also known that he was abandoned by both his parents at a young age (about 5 or so) and his Aunt and Uncle treated him badly. But it was all apart of who he was, and just how creative he REALLY was in a time when nobody else was really pushing the musical envelope (except for maybe Bob Dylan, the Stones, etc. but they didn't have the charisma at the time of these 4 guys, who each could pull the crowd. This was the first time a full band was pushing people to write and play their own material.) Oh and he wrote many songs later in his career, apologizing for his faults earlier in life... but for an example, heres one from Getting Better (from the Sgt. Peppers album)
I used to be cruel to my woman
I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved
Man I was mean but I'm changing my scene
And I'm doing the best that I can.
supermeerkat
12-09-2005, 01:10 PM
The definitive John Lennon interview (http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/archivehour/pip/hmlsa/)
Taken from the BBC Website
Kevin Wolff
12-09-2005, 01:18 PM
Speaking of Lennon's death...
http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm
Play "Kiss, Kiss, Kiss" by Yoko Ono http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
thefly
12-09-2005, 03:10 PM
Scream said:
The man was far from perfect. Guess what? None of us are.
NO! That can't be true! None of us are? My entire reality has just now begun to colapse all around me.
Mblackwell
12-09-2005, 07:02 PM
Honestly I think most of his best stuff was done when he was solo.
Mother, You had Me I never had you
I wanted you but you didn't want me
So I got to tell you
Goodbye , Goodbye
Father, You left me but I never left you
I needed you but you didn't need me
So I just got to tell you
Goodbye , Goodbye
Children, Don't do what I have done
I couldn't walk so I tried to run
So I got to tell you
Goodbye , Goodbye
Mama don't go,
Daddy come home...
or perhaps:
The years have passed so quickly
One thing I've understood
I am only learning
To tell the trees from wood
I know what's coming down
And I know where it's coming from
And I know and I'm sorry (yes I am)
But I never could speak my mind
And I know just how you feel
And I know now what I have done
And I know and I'm guilty
But I never could speak my mind
I know what I was missing
But now my eyes can see
I put myself in your place
As you did for me
Today I love you more than yesterday
Right now I love you more right now
Now I know what's coming down
I can feel where it's coming from
And I know it's getting better all the time
As we share in each other's minds
Today I love you more than yesterday
Right now I love you more right now
Oh no more crying
As always his songs were very personal, and got really moreso when he went solo, but being the good writer and performer he is he was able to keep it from being pure tripe.
Water12356
12-09-2005, 08:05 PM
RIP, Mr. Lennon.
Mblackwell
12-10-2005, 12:13 AM
With all this Lennon talk I got a song stuck in my head and decided to record it. It's a bit blah, but I was bored and decided what the hell I'll share it anyways:
http://mb.mirage.org/holdon.mp3
Imfamous said:
Although I do idolize Kurt Cobain.
What do you idolize about Kurt Cobain?
He was a great song writer.
Mongorian said:
Through your own admission you claim to know little of Lennon's life, so you must not know he was a wifebeater, only wrote a handful of solo stuff that wasn't an apology for said beatings, and that his big hit is the most annoying repetitive hippy tripe ever recorded. I wish he was still alive so I could punch him in the face for The Ballad of John and Yoko.
I guess you haven't checked out TIME, Newsweek, or even your daily paper to see that he is mentioned somewhere. If this is your definition of forgotten you really need to read a book.
No one's perfect, everyone has a bad side..
Who thinks Lennon was a legend before he died?
Lethe
12-10-2005, 10:43 AM
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Lethe said:
Ivan said:
Imfamous said:
Although I do idolize Kurt Cobain.
What do you idolize about Kurt Cobain?
He was a great song writer.
Haha you're kidding me aren't you? Even he admitted that his songs are nosense and that people read too much into it.
Do not turn this into a Kurt Cobain thread 'cause we will never see an end.
PS:
Neither side is sacred
No one wants to win
Feeling so sedated
Think I'll just give in
Taking medication
Till my stomach's full
Neither side is sacred
Crawling in the hole
The grass is greener
Over here
You're the fog that
Keeps it clear
Re-inventing
What we knew
Taken time is
All but true
You're the reason
I feel pain
Feels so good to
Feel again
Neither side is sacred
No one wants to win
Feeling so sedated
But I can't give in
Taking medication
Till my stomach's full
Feelin so sedated
When I'm in my home
The grass is greener
Over here
You're the fog that
Keeps it clear
Re-inventing
What we knew
Taken time is
Weird but true
You're the reason
I feel pain
Feels so good to
Feel again
Oh
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
EDIT: Isn't that too bad? I quoted you before you pussied out.
Mblackwell
12-10-2005, 11:23 AM
Yes, Lennon was considered a legend and a genius before he died. He was the founding member of The Beatles after all, and the most prominent and vocal member when it came to personal and social issues.
Mblackwell said:
Yes, Lennon was considered a legend and a genius before he died. He was the founding member of The Beatles after all, and the most prominent and vocal member when it came to personal and social issues.
I think people are concidered legends after their death. And a little assissination or suicide imortalizes the legend perfectly.
Mblackwell
12-10-2005, 11:47 AM
No, Lennon was big before he died. Just like Dylan is considered a legend, or BB King.
Mblackwell said:
No, Lennon was big before he died. Just like Dylan is considered a legend, or BB King.
"Big", but not a legend. He was an idol to many, an exemple, someone to follow, but imho, no one is a legend before they die.
Mblackwell
12-10-2005, 12:12 PM
Are you saying BB King isn't a legend? Frankly he's not the biggest musician in the world right now, but he's certainly legendary...
Mblackwell said:
Are you saying BB King isn't a legend? Frankly he's not the biggest musician in the world right now, but he's certainly legendary...
Sorry I seriously never heard of him. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Mblackwell
12-10-2005, 12:17 PM
....crazy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BB_King
According to the Rolling Stones magazine, he is the greatest living guitarist, and ranked 3rd among greatest gutarists of all time (behind late Jimi Hendrix and Duane Allman).
That classification is biased anyways. (http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5937559?rnd=1134238853296&has-player=unknown) Even if I am a great Kurt fan, him being 12 is bullshit, he wasn't so good on guitar, just knew how to write an easy melodic song.
I still don't see why BB King would be concidered a living legend? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Mblackwell
12-10-2005, 01:20 PM
Because he was one of the original blues guitarists that was able to not only expand blues as a genre but also bring it to the masses. That list is not the important part, the wikipedia article is http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.
He's an amazing guitarist, I suggest you look him up. Lennon even mentions him in the interview that was posted above.
And as far as Kurt Cobain's guitar skills, you're right, in general he was a horrible guitarist. He came up with afew interesting guitar lines though. As far as being melodic though, not especially, though he was good at creating a feel of dissonance. He was more melodic than most heavy rock nowadays, but not more melodic than most other grunge even.
Because he was one of the original blues guitarists that was able to not only expand blues as a genre but also bring it to the masses. That list is not the important part, the wikipedia article is http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.
He's an amazing guitarist, I suggest you look him up. Lennon even mentions him in the interview that was posted above.
Well, as always, it comes down to opinions, and in my case, I can agree there are a lot of great and creative men alive, but you become a legend after your death, you can't be a living legend to my eyes.
And as far as Kurt Cobain's guitar skills, you're right, in general he was a horrible guitarist. He came up with afew interesting guitar lines though. As far as being melodic though, not especially, though he was good at creating a feel of dissonance. He was more melodic than most heavy rock nowadays, but not more melodic than most other grunge even.
For my part, what I think set NIRVANA from apart of the other bands going on at this time, was their simplicity and their easiness to capture the feelings of a teenager in a song. You could identify to his songs (you still can, teenagers' feelings haven't evolved so much for 11 years), and the song would stick in your head, you couldn't remember the lyrics, or really hear them while they played live, but you remembered the beat and the melody, because it was so simple and good to the ear, like these children songs you hear when you're a little kid. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Ivan said:
Mblackwell said:
Are you saying BB King isn't a legend? Frankly he's not the biggest musician in the world right now, but he's certainly legendary...
Sorry I seriously never heard of him. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
You have just ruined any credibility towards a musical discussion, especially containing musical history http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
John Lennon, along with Paul McCartney, would be considered (before death) -living- legends, due to their contributes to the musical evolution of the 20th century. They are still one of the only bands to produce more than a single number 1 album in a year, and they have done it multiple times. They were the first to make an album where every song on it could be a number one hit. They have sold more records than any other single band, and thats considering the fact that they officially broke up in 1970. They have accomplished more musically than any other band has, in their 10 year span. With their highly rebellious political messages (when at the time, the president was actually trying to deport John Lennon back to england. John WAS fighting a cause), it drove them to stride better than most of their peers. They wrote write about things other people would not touch at the time; politics, drugs, depression, their lives, etc.
Like you know, there would be no Ozzy, Nirvana, Monkeys (ack), etc. if there were no beatles. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Lethe
12-10-2005, 02:08 PM
Ivan said:
Lethe said:
Ivan said:
Imfamous said:
Although I do idolize Kurt Cobain.
What do you idolize about Kurt Cobain?
He was a great song writer.
Haha you're kidding me aren't you? Even he admitted that his songs are nosense and that people read too much into it.
Do not turn this into a Kurt Cobain thread 'cause we will never see an end.
PS:
Neither side is sacred
No one wants to win
Feeling so sedated
Think I'll just give in
Taking medication
Till my stomach's full
Neither side is sacred
Crawling in the hole
The grass is greener
Over here
You're the fog that
Keeps it clear
Re-inventing
What we knew
Taken time is
All but true
You're the reason
I feel pain
Feels so good to
Feel again
Neither side is sacred
No one wants to win
Feeling so sedated
But I can't give in
Taking medication
Till my stomach's full
Feelin so sedated
When I'm in my home
The grass is greener
Over here
You're the fog that
Keeps it clear
Re-inventing
What we knew
Taken time is
Weird but true
You're the reason
I feel pain
Feels so good to
Feel again
Oh
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif
EDIT: Isn't that too bad? I quoted you before you pussied out.
Damn, I deleted the post just to run away from this discussion...ah those nirvana bashing days...I'm too old for this shit http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Btw, Alice In Chains kick Nirvana's ass http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Alice In Chains
Crappy success and music.
Opus131
12-10-2005, 02:30 PM
Yoko Ono
I think the shooter made one huge mistake here... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
thefly
12-10-2005, 02:34 PM
Ivan said:
Alice In Chains
Crappy success and music.
Ivan I think maybe you have forgotten, like they all forget, what this thread was about. Which is just a shame, truly a shame. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
thefly said:
Ivan said:
Alice In Chains
Crappy success and music.
Ivan I think maybe you have forgotten, like they all forget, what this thread was about. Which is just a shame, truly a shame. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
What else can I do? When they are all like you? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/music.gif
Mblackwell
12-10-2005, 07:14 PM
Ivan said:
Well, as always, it comes down to opinions, and in my case, I can agree there are a lot of great and creative men alive, but you become a legend after your death, you can't be a living legend to my eyes.
In this case it's not really a matter of opinion, more one of historical fact, and in this case facts which you have no knowledge of, so I refuse to discuss in this vein further until you get some http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.
Mblackwell said:
Ivan said:
Well, as always, it comes down to opinions, and in my case, I can agree there are a lot of great and creative men alive, but you become a legend after your death, you can't be a living legend to my eyes.
In this case it's not really a matter of opinion, more one of historical fact, and in this case facts which you have no knowledge of, so I refuse to discuss in this vein further until you get some http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif.
Well let's debate on another one of your "living legends", then: make a list. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
See, as an exemple, if James Hetfield would to commit suicide tomorrow, he would become a legend. These days, he is a great man, in one of the greatest bands ever still playing, but he is not concidered a legend. If he commited suicide tomorrow, people would realise his beautiful work and the hard life he had gone throught, and will make out of this idol, a legend.
Mblackwell
12-10-2005, 07:33 PM
Just because some people have to die before they become legends doesn't mean everyone has to.
Opus131
12-10-2005, 07:49 PM
Ivan said:
and the hard life he had gone throught
Ho?
Mblackwell said:
Just because some people have to die before they become legends doesn't mean everyone has to.
Natural death means we saw the person age, and we are not left with that young and "lengendary" image of him. When their life are stolen away at young age, we are left with an image of a legend.
Opus131 said:
Ivan said:
and the hard life he had gone throught
Ho?
This is not a sex line.
Inanimate Carbon Rod
12-10-2005, 11:48 PM
Thats a bunch of balony, but I have come to expect that from you.
Mblackwell
12-11-2005, 12:20 AM
Ivan said:
Natural death means we saw the person age, and we are not left with that young and "lengendary" image of him. When their life are stolen away at young age, we are left with an image of a legend.
No, it means we are left with a "could have been" rather than a "has been" or a "definitely is/was".
Cobain was a legend more for what he could have been than just what he was. He had a constantly expanding potential which was stripped away. His legendary status comes from the tale and perseverance of that fact.
When John Lennon died, he was already a legend for the man he always was until the very day he died. He was a force in the world, and technically, he still is.
Opus131
12-11-2005, 02:24 AM
Ivan said:
This is not a sex line.
Fine then. What sort of hardship did he ever had to face?
The world is a pretty messed up place you know? We are all in the same bloody boat...
Mblackwell said:
Ivan said:
Natural death means we saw the person age, and we are not left with that young and "lengendary" image of him. When their life are stolen away at young age, we are left with an image of a legend.
No, it means we are left with a "could have been" rather than a "has been" or a "definitely is/was".
Cobain was a legend more for what he could have been than just what he was. He had a constantly expanding potential which was stripped away. His legendary status comes from the tale and perseverance of that fact.
When John Lennon died, he was already a legend for the man he always was until the very day he died. He was a force in the world, and technically, he still is.
Well I think that the same thing you said for Kurt applies for Lennon.
Opus131 said:
Ivan said:
This is not a sex line.
Fine then. What sort of hardship did he ever had to face?
The world is a pretty messed up place you know? We are all in the same bloody boat...
Of who are we talking here? James, Lennon, or Cobain?
Opus131
12-11-2005, 03:39 PM
Ivan said:
Of who are we talking here? James, Lennon, or Cobain?
James is what i quoted you from... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Tedski
12-11-2005, 06:43 PM
There are a good number of people who can be considered 'living legends' and they com from all walks of life. Musically, a prime example could be someone like Eric Clapton, who even in the 60's (mostly before Hendrix came around) was considered 'god' by a goodly number of folks in the UK. There are people still alive whose performances of a particular role in a play are considered 'legendary'.
If the quality of something you have done has meant that people within that particular field aspire to that level, it could be taken as being legendary. ergo, if you ain't dead yet you could be a living legend. People whose body of work in their given field inspire awe could quite reasonably be defined as living legends.
In short, death is not a prerequesite of 'legendary' status.
Opus131 said:
Ivan said:
Of who are we talking here? James, Lennon, or Cobain?
James is what i quoted you from... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Sorry, totally forgot about this thread. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif
Read a bit up on his life.. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hetfield)
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