DNF Update

[Euwie]

Before I've attempted on posting this, I went and read all the updates I could find on DNF. One thing that I noticed, is that all the posts and quotes where in 2000 and back.

As a great Duke fan, I've got one question for 3DR, staying away from launch date issues.

I would just like to know if the developing is going on track, and are you guys happy with the results sofar?

I think I speak for avery person that played any of the games in the series, I know that this will be a killer of a game. I've seen the movie in 2001. Was impressed then, it still impresses me know, obviously there are allot of improvements since then, which I think is great.

Keep up the good work guys, I'm sure it will be a HUGE success!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Dutch]

The graphics engine is finished now, and apparently they've been pretty much on track since then. ( beginning of 2003 onwards) I hope 3dr are still excited, because I know I am. 3dr, you've found the tunnel now, do you see light at the end of it yet? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Euwie, the developers said the game is on good track.

[Euwie]

Gr8, they did not say what their thoughts are on the game? I'm just scared that they are getting bored with it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I really dont hope so.

I know when you tackle a big project like that, after a while you kinda loose interest.

Luckly there are people like us in the forums and fan clubs, keeping the interest high. I think we play a part in all of this as well. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

Let us, as DNF fans keep the guys motivated to produce the best game that the gaming industry has seen, and will create another historical milestone for the rest of the world to marvel at http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Cerberus_e]

I think they are very motivated, or why do you think the game takes so long to develop?
they just want to make it better and better, and they have trouble saying: "now the game is good enough we can start the polishing".
they just always find a way to improve, which results in very long development aside from the restarts (which are also a result of: we want to do it better!).
so yeah I'd say they like it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Euwie]

I'm not saying they are taking too long. I know I got demotivated if I was developing on a big project. Had to find a way to get interested again before continue'n coding.

I'm sure that what they are doing must be http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif, thats why we as the fans should try and keep the motivation high.

[Cerberus_e]

I know you're not complaining about the game taking long, you're just wondering if the team likes it/if they are motivated.
So I was just pointing out that the fact the game takes long is an indication that they are very motivated http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Or else they'd have thrown a piece of crap out of the door 6 years ago to be done with it.

[neuromancer]

Dutch said:
3dr, you've found the tunnel now, do you see light at the end of it yet? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I can see the tunnel at the end of the tunnel http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[Euwie]

Cerberus_e said:
Or else they'd have thrown a piece of crap out of the door 6 years ago to be done with it.



Perhaps, allthough, if they decided to through it out, i would still not be a piece of crap.

DN shal live in our hearts...... FOREVER!!

Just being active on these forums, makes me think back on all the lan sessions we had with our coax lan cables running 486's, playing until your eyes does not say open anymore.....

The fun days of Duke3D.

[Suppressor]

well, you won´t get any infos here, although it would be very cool...

[Xgthug]

neuromancer said:

Dutch said:
3dr, you've found the tunnel now, do you see light at the end of it yet? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I can see the tunnel at the end of the tunnel http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



If I weren't so lazy I'd sig you.
Brilliant f*cking line. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Euwie]

Suppressor said:
well, you won´t get any infos here...



I'm not looking for info or media, all that I'm actually trying to find out is everything is still going ok. Thats all. Cause all of the reviews and posts and comments I've been reading lately is more than 4 years old. There was nothing said from the 3DR team past that...

Or I'm I not looking in the right places....?

[The Doctor]

There have been more recent "updates".

New Engine was started basically from scratch in 2002, and was finished end 2002/early 2003 or something like that. They're now building content.

[Kristian Joensen]

The renderer was started early 2002 and finished in November 2002.

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Cerberus_e said:
Euwie, the developers said the game is on good track.



What the hell does it mean to say the game is on track, and then in the same breath say there is no release date, there is no track, the game is done WID?

I call shenanigans!

[Kristian Joensen]

You can still have internal schedules even if your release date policy is WID. I believe George said that they DO have them.

[FireFly]

Kristian Joensen said:
You can still have internal schedules even if your release date policy is WID. I believe George said that they DO have them.


Yes, and I think it's probably more at the micro level - "should we cut this feature" "should we add this". Charlie has commented in the past that what he likes about working for 3DR is there are aren't any deadlines per se, and George has said recently that he doesn't know when the game will be done.

However, that doesn't mean they don't have a development plan to adhere to:

"We are probably still attempting too much with too few people but we continue to cut back to reasonable limits all the time as we move forward and re-evalaute things all the time. "

"No reason to freeze, as we have time to trickle in features until the game ships. But it's complete enough now that we could ship with no excuses and be happy."

"But just like in Duke 3D, when that engine was done, we still added small features like slopes and went back and retrofit the levels. We will still add things to the engine, as we can, where they make sense, and most importantly - where they won't delay us. We will add things if they are cool and don't impact things, but we will not add features that will cause big delays or mass reworking of existing content."


Euwie said:
I'm not looking for info or media, all that I'm actually trying to find out is everything is still going ok. Thats all. Cause all of the reviews and posts and comments I've been reading lately is more than 4 years old. There was nothing said from the 3DR team past that...

Or I'm I not looking in the right places....?


Oh he's said an awful lot in the past 4 years. In fact we really didn't know the full reasons for the delay until 2003/2004, when he disclosed that development hadn't been on track at all, until 2002. However, finally everything's coming together. Here's some quotes from the Shack, made in 2004:

"Well, we're closer than last year, and certainly moreso than any previous year We actually make progress now.It kinda wasn't prior to 2002, unfortunately. Two steps forward and 3-4 backwards."

"Hmmm...probably not getting key tech features done in time, and since we were unwilling to have an average looking game (projecting to when we could potentially ship), we re-did major chunck of the engine, which caused content to get redone. In short, we never had a solid tech base to build on, so it was the equivalent of trying to build a house without a solid foundation/structure."

"Yes, in hindsight, writing our own engine would have been the way to go, but that wasn't an option once we were so deep into things. We basically stepped back in early 2002, said "This just isn't going to work or be what we want" and spent most of 2002 re-writing things to get us where we needed to be, once and for all. Most of 2003 was spent on content creation and hring new people. Once we were able to make progress, content creation bottlenecks emerged that needed to be dealt with. So, it's been an interesting journey, but one I do not recommend be repeated, by anyone, ever Haha... "

http://ultr4kr4ss0rh4x0r.l33tw4r3z.de/duke4/thread.php?tid=581

George said again in 2004 that progress has been: "Steady. Creating new stuff every day and putting it in the game. Constant, forward progress."

The engine is now complete, so they've finally been able to make rapid progress on the content side of things. In October this year, George said that their current installation size was 9.6 GB, up from 8 GB in June. I think the game is rapidly approaching Alpha status if it hasn't hit it already, so I'm sure the team is more enthusiastic than ever. In fact George has said so himself. For example:

"No. The burnout's are gone. The people here are all excited and very well motivated."

Said in 2003.

[Shaam]

neuromancer said:

Dutch said:
3dr, you've found the tunnel now, do you see light at the end of it yet? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



I can see the tunnel at the end of the tunnel http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



Better hope that's not from an incomming train. <font color="red">Blood </font> http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Euwie]

FireFly said:
Oh he's said an awful lot in the past 4 years. In fact we really didn't know the full reasons for the delay until 2003/2004, when he disclosed that development hadn't been on track at all, until 2002.



Well, this is great news...

One question.... Where did you get this information? I would like to stay on track with whats potting on the development. Interesting to know all these things...

[Euwie]

http://ultr4kr4ss0rh4x0r.l33tw4r3z.de/duke4/thread.php?tid=581<br />


I've checked out this URL, is this updated regularly or is there some other site that keeps tabs on the progress...?

[FireFly]

He posted it at Shacknews (http://www.shacknews.com/), and also on these forums.

If you want to keep track of what he posts, you can bookmark these two links:

http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/dosearch.php?Cat=0&Forum=All_Forums&Name=38&
http://www.shacknews.com/jazz/search2.x?query=&user=GeorgeB3DR&type=

Voodoo Extreme (http://ve3d.ign.com/) also posts up quotes. You can see all their coverage on DNF here. (http://www.google.co.uk/search?as_q=+DNF&num=10&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=+&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=http%3A%2F%2Fve3d.ign.com%2F&as_rights=&safe=images)

Finally, there's a searchable archive of quotes (in English) at Duke4.de:

http://ultr4kr4ss0rh4x0r.l33tw4r3z.de/duke4/search.php?query=&op=topic&verbose=1

Edit: That URL is from the site above.

[Halcyon]

Euwie said:

http://ultr4kr4ss0rh4x0r.l33tw4r3z.de/duke4/thread.php?tid=581<br />
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I've checked out this URL, is this updated regularly or is there some other site that keeps tabs on the progress...?

These are only the archives but the site gets still updated. The URL is duke4.de

[Cerberus_e]

Euwie said:
I've checked out this URL, is this updated regularly or is there some other site that keeps tabs on the progress...?



Kristian Joensen does.
try to get in his underground and you'll receive infortmation daily.
did you know the Assault Commander is confirmed in DNF? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
did you know the Assault Commander is confirmed in DNF? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Wtf..!? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10553528

[Micki!]

Kristian Joensen said:
http://www.shacknews.com/ja.zz?id=10553528



COOOOOL!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kalki]

Oh I thought that was known on the boards. Oh well, you know now. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Halcyon]

I didn't know it either. Nice to know.

[Cerberus_e]

There's still a chance George is joking, but it's strange no one talked about that quote earlier, it dates from August!
I only knew it since a few days because Kristian Joensen told me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[SyntaxN]

Cerberus_e said:
There's still a chance George is joking, but it's strange no one talked about that quote earlier, it dates from August!
I only knew it since a few days because Kristian Joensen told me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


I remember reading this one back then...but it don´t made me jump at all.

[Kalki]

This stuff is subject to change and cuts but the Assault Commander was very cool. I loved the "Suck it down", "Heheheheh!" taunts. Creepy guy!

[dark_angel]

GB is eager to show us his game, he is leaking now some contents info http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Cerberus_e]

yes in duke3D each time I heard his suck it down in the distance, but couldn't see him I freaked out.
and SyntaxN you should have PMed that to me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

[SyntaxN]

Cerberus_e said:
and SyntaxN you should have PMed that to me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif


why?

[Cerberus_e]

because returning enemies of Duke3D are huge news, of course

[SyntaxN]

Cerberus_e said:
because returning enemies of Duke3D are huge news, of course


Didn´t George said already that many of them will return? (I had that in mind so it don´t made me jump http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif)

[Cerberus_e]

I don't know about George saying that many will return, but if he did then we still don't know which http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Zorgblub]

It's been a while since Georges last posted on the boards, I hope it's a good sign http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Nihilanth]

Well, it's always nice to hear something like that. And more old friends from DN3D making their return in DNF sounds great. Do you think that we'll see some guys from DN1 or 2? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[SyntaxN]

Zorgblub said:
It's been a while since Georges last posted on the boards, I hope it's a good sign http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


Well,
possibility A: Pizza delivery service is working again..
or B: He´s doing something for DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Duke Rocks]

It's been a while since Georges last posted on the boards, I hope it's a good sign




George's posting or lack of posting means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING one way or the other

[Joe Siegler]

Duke Rocks said:

It's been a while since Georges last posted on the boards, I hope it's a good sign




George's posting or lack of posting means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING one way or the other



Glad to know someone remembered that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Denz]

Si that means he is more on his work, and us, forum whores, should do the same instead of posting here (in dnf section atleast). http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[KaiserSoze]

SyntaxN said:

Zorgblub said:
It's been a while since Georges last posted on the boards, I hope it's a good sign http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


Well,
possibility A: Pizza delivery service is working again..
or B: He´s doing something for DNF http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



bzzt. wrong answer.

he's leveling up his wOw character and playing xbox 360. who's duke nukem? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

come on out george and give us an update please! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[roryok]

yeah but if we drop some of the words from joe's sentence...

George's <font color="#666666">posting or</font>lack of posting means A<font color="#666666">BSOLUTELY NO</font>THING <font color="#666666">one way or the other</font>

[Singularity]

lol, post of the year!

[Tang Lung]

KaiserSoze said:
he's leveling up his wOw character and playing xbox 360. who's duke nukem? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif




haha true, true. No wait, that's not funny.. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[lonestar]

roryok said:
yeah but if we drop some of the words from joe's sentence...

George's <font color="#666666">posting or</font>lack of posting means A<font color="#666666">BSOLUTELY NO</font>THING <font color="#666666">one way or the other</font>



this needs an award.

[hell-angel]

roryok said:
yeah but if we drop some of the words from joe's sentence...

George's <font color="#666666">posting or</font>lack of posting means A<font color="#666666">BSOLUTELY NO</font>THING <font color="#666666">one way or the other</font>




Now that is reading into what Joe posts. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Ha, it is really funny IMO. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif