Max PS2 - What will be different?

[Guest]

since im sure you guys at 3drealms and remedy want to avoid fans screaming bloody murder over the fact that they wont be able to modify the game for the console (im assuming this), what plans do you have to keep ps2 fans satisfied once its over? a 1 on 1 multiplayer mode, some extra guns, maybe some extra levels, what?

[Joe Siegler]

I don't know - I haven't personally seen the PS2 version.

[SnLnc]

And how will the graphics compare to the computer version?

[Ninja]

It depends on the developers.

some PC ports on PS2 have been really good graphically, while others have sucked.

I've found that usually, PC only developers tend (not always though) to mess things up graphically on PS2 ports.

Rockstar is making the max Payne port I believe. Hopefully they won't treat the PS2 as another PC and they'll try to optimise it for it's hardware.

I heard that it would apparently have improved particle effects somewhere, in an old press statement.

[andrewgd]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ninja:
PC only developers tend (not always though) to mess things up graphically on PS2 ports.<hr></blockquote>

And vice versa. There have been barely a few ports from consoles to PC's that even come close to the quality of PC games.

Of course, console games are stuck with 640x480. And for the most part they don't have the power that PCs have...

[Homoludens]

I played the PC demo of Alone In The Dark 4 (which was ported over from console), and it was the worst interface I've ever worked with.

But isn't there at least a way to hook up console to your monitor to get a finer resolution?

[SkavenRMD]

The main issues that need to be dealt with when porting from PC to PS2:
Memory - Since the PS2 only has 32MB of onboard memory, the game code and content must be optimized and/or cut to fit in, or at least split into smaller bits. For example, the levels have been split into three or four parts. Resolution - The television resolution is a lot smaller than the most standard PC resolutions today. The menus, the crosshair, and the graphic novel pages need to be updated with regards to this. Controls - Playing Max Payne with a DualShock controller is quite different from playing with keyboard and mouse. A workable control scheme must be created. Rendering hardware specs - Since certain rendering options that are available for PC are not available for PS2 and vice versa, the rendering pipeline needs to be modified.

[FullMetalJacket]

And of course, since it'll be on PS2, they'll have to modify MP so that it'll suck!

It's so friggin' annoying: almost everyone at my school thinks consoles are better than PCs. I always have witty and blistering retorts, along with the fact that it just takes more intelligence to use a computer. And these people are just so STUPID, thinking about nasty things every eight seconds, twitching their zit-riddled faces, and just say, "Shut up! You're gay! PS2 is better!"

And it's annoying - Half-Life for PS2 I heard has all kinds of new crap on it. And I got Red Faction for PC and was surprised that this game got an M rating! It's not any gorier than MP! There's red mist when people get shot, but that's it! I was talking to a PS2 owner, and he said that in the console version of Red Faction, there are gibs when people blow up, and there are detachable limbs, like in SOF.

Besides, diehard console fanatics will likely get X-boxes. I might even get one. (How the heck do you people write words in bold or italics?) But I've heard that you can play PC games on an X-box, but not vice versa. (THAT SUCKS!!!) images/icons/frown.gif So I think it would be unfair if console owners got new and special features for their stupid little PS2s. They should just get an X-box, and plug the PC version of MP into that, and be happy.

I'm sorry if I'm offending anyone or if this seems too off-topic, but I feel very strongly about consoles vs. PCs, mainly because of all the busts I have to put up with from those console PUNKZZZZZ!

[Guest]

the real thing thats gonna suck for ps2 owners is when max payne is over, they wont have any mods to play.....im assuming this of course, but its a fairly appropriate assumption.

[Egghead316]

I just thought of something that COULD be done.The PS2 is going to have online support soon, and a hard drive will be released, so it might be possible to download the mods for the pc version onto the ps2 hard drive and use them for the game....but then again....maybe not....

[Guest]

i doubt theyll do that for a port of a pc game.

[Spazer]

max is too complex of a game to port to a console ( in my opinion ) you will most likely have to cut down on alot of things which make max what it is. plus i cant see how people can actually use those freakin controllers for shooters.

omg wtf thnx alot remedy you turned me into the gangsters lol FREAKIN!!!! i started saying that now all the time in real life ahaha wang 8=D

[ 09-30-2001: Message edited by: Spazer ]

[Ninja]

Having owned and played many platform games and 3rd person games on consoles, I can honestly say that I believe that a controller is better suited to them.

Yes MP is great and all with a keyboard, but adapting to a controller isn't too bad IMO. Metal gear solid rocked on PSX with the controller, but there were omplaints about it using the keyboard when Microsoft ported the game (Konami don't do ports of their games btw).

If MS had taken their time to work it out, MGS would have been fine with the keyboard, but I prefer the Dual Shock 2 to the keyboard for those games.

Some PC owners say that consoles suck with controllers. I have played FPSs on consoles and Pcs and most of the console shooters were fine with the controller. some keyboard support in it would have been nice in only a few games, but I adapted to it and had a lot of fun, instead of whining about the lack of a keyboard.

MP with a Dual Shock 2 should be fine if the control scheme is good, which I believe it will be.

[RollingBrass]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ninja:
Metal gear solid rocked on PSX with the controller<hr></blockquote>That's because it was designed specifically for a controller, and it wasn't an FPS/TPS with mouselook as the primary way to aim.

[Bushido]

Hey, remember way back in tha day they said that the PS2 version would have multi? Any news on that....or is it another vapor option?

[biXen]

Simply put:

640x480 graphics with flashy Lenzeffects (PS2 only images/icons/grin.gif )
Shitty controls (waving 3rd person controls)
Unreadable text on novels (wuhuu)
No mods (no NMTB, sniff...)

and most importantly:
No multiplayer... (heeey, wait a minute... images/icons/grin.gif

[Ninja]

Not this low resolution crap again.

Simply put, if developers do their job properly on next generation consoles, then the TV resolution isn't an issue.

Take the Metal Gear solid 2 demo for example. I play about 30-40cm away from my TV and I fail to see that running it in a higher resolution would achieve much as the models and backgrounds are so well put together that it would be a waste.

Oh, it may rid the barely noticeable slightly jagged edges that you see every now and then.

Oh, and for those Xbox shots, they are running off a HDTV resolution, which most people do not have yet images/icons/wink.gif

Besides, I doubt that Rockstar are so dumb that they would make the text unreadable on a TV screen images/icons/rolleyes.gif

[Komb.at]

30-40 cm in front of your TV? The radiation would make my hair stand straight up (if it wasn't to short to stand)

[Ninja]

Ok, I can't sit back further because a) the controller cable would trip everyone over while they walk through the room and b), I haven't had any ill effects caused by it.

You must have the old "Radiation King" Kombat. Is that your shadow burnt into the floor? images/icons/grin.gif

[revenant100]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ninja:
You must have the old "Radiation King" Kombat. Is that your shadow burnt into the floor? images/icons/grin.gif <hr></blockquote>

Proof that people watch too much Simpsons. images/icons/tongue.gif images/icons/wink.gif

[biXen]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ninja:
Ok, I can't sit back further because a) the controller cable would trip everyone over while they walk through the room and b), I haven't had any ill effects caused by it.

You must have the old "Radiation King" Kombat. Is that your shadow burnt into the floor? images/icons/grin.gif <hr></blockquote>

You can't see any ill effects, but we've seen them already images/icons/tongue.gif

And resolution is an issue, it's not as clear and crisp and nice as a computer screen is.

[Lazarii]

Will it be exactly the same, story-wise too?

Or will it be longer than the PC version or what?

[Predator911]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by FullMetalJacket:
And it's annoying - Half-Life for PS2 I heard has all kinds of new crap on it. And I got Red Faction for PC and was surprised that this game got an M rating! It's not any gorier than MP! There's red mist when people get shot, but that's it! I was talking to a PS2 owner, and he said that in the console version of Red Faction, there are gibs when people blow up, and there are detachable limbs, like in SOF.<hr></blockquote>

Half-Life for the PS2 has the original game and a new expansion I believe. The improved graphics is just the new high-resolution models pack that came with Blue Shift for the PC earlier this year. So all the PS2 is getting is one new expansion.

I played through Red Faction for the PS2 and played the demo of the PC version. The two versions are identical, except for the PC version looks better thanks to higher resolutions and they fixed some of the bugs in the geo-mod system for the PC version. So all in all the PC version is more refined and slightly better than the PS2 version. There were no severed limbs or anything like that for PS2.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Besides, diehard console fanatics will likely get X-boxes. I might even get one. (How the heck do you people write words in bold or italics?) But I've heard that you can play PC games on an X-box, but not vice versa. (THAT SUCKS!!!) So I think it would be unfair if console owners got new and special features for their stupid little PS2s. They should just get an X-box, and plug the PC version of MP into that, and be happy.<hr></blockquote>

X-Box can not play PC games. This was a rumor floating around before any real information on the console was released. Microsoft stated a long time ago that X-Box would be like other consoles in that it would only play games specifically designed for it, not PC games.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ninja:
Take the Metal Gear solid 2 demo for example. I play about 30-40cm away from my TV and I fail to see that running it in a higher resolution would achieve much as the models and backgrounds are so well put together that it would be a waste.<hr></blockquote>

The problem is the resolution of the TV itself. Yes, PS2 fits the resolution of a normal television perfectly, but that's not very good compared to HDTV or PC monitor resolution. For example, watch a DVD on a regular television, then watch it on a computer monitor, the difference is unbelievable. Try a PS2 game on a monitor with the VGA adapter, it looks like crap, jaggies everywhere. X-Box may or may not have the same problem, depending on just how high the resolution will go.

[ 10-06-2001: Message edited by: Predator911 ]

[Ninja]

Pred- sorry, you're wrong about Half-Life PS2.

The models are TWICE AS DETAILED as the Hi-Def pack for Blue Shift. They are made of about 3000 polygons, have facial animations i.e fully articulated eyes and individual fingers.

BS's are made of only 1500 polygons and have NO facial animations. If you'd read any Randy pitchford interviews about Half-Life PS2 you'd know this images/icons/rolleyes.gif

it also has the co-op mission Decay. PLUS you can unlock secrets like playing as an alien slave through single-player, a slow-mo mode "like Bullet-Time" according to Pitchford.

About the entire resolution issue- 800X600 is fine for me. Usually high resolution only matters if the game has really bad jagged edges. I believe that only HDTV can support the higher-resolutions.

In Australia, we have digital TV but hardly any HTDV and if there are some available, they are expensive as hell.

Shouldn't the gameplay matter instead of high resolution?

Besides, despite all the XBox hype, unless you don't have a HDTV, you can't enjoy the higher resolutions. Oh btw, sure you can view it on a monitor, but I'd prefer my wide-screen Wega to a 17 or 19inch monitor for console gaming images/icons/smile.gif

[ 10-13-2001: Message edited by: Ninja ]

[Predator911]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by Ninja:
The models are TWICE AS DETAILED as the Hi-Def pack for Blue Shift. They are made of about 300 polygons, have facial animations i.e fully articulated eyes and individual fingers.<hr></blockquote>

Ok, maybe I was wrong about this. I haven't looked into HL for PS2 very much, I admit it. I read something on gamespot that said it used the high res pack like in blue shift so I assumed this was true. I also watched a video of it and the models really didn't look any better than BS to me. This could just be because the video was small, who knows.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Shouldn't the gameplay matter instead of high resolution?<hr></blockquote>

Hey relax bro, I didn't say anything about gameplay. We were talking about graphic resolution so I stated some facts about it. I'm not insulting PS2 by any means. I own a PS2 and like it a lot. Granted, I won't be getting Max Payne or Half-Life for it but there are plenty of games coming up soon that I'm really looking forward to. Grand Theft Auto 3, Metal Gear Solid 2, Soul Reaver 2 and Devil May Cry are just a few that I'll be buying in the next month.

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Besides, despite all the XBox hype, unless you don't have a HDTV, you can't enjoy the higher resolutions. Oh btw, sure you can view it on a monitor, but I'd prefer my wide-screen Wega to a 17 or 19inch monitor for console gaming<hr></blockquote>

I agree. I have an HDTV and as much as I like the prospect of being able to use to it's fullest with games, it's not enough to merit buying an XBox.

[Ninja]

ok cool, thanks for clearing it up.

I'm in the same position as you PS2-wise images/icons/smile.gif

Wipeout Fusion, Ico, Metal Gear Solid 2, Ace Combat 4, Agent Under Fire, The Getaway, GTA3, Devil May Cry etc.... it's the best time for a PS2 owner images/icons/grin.gif

[Guest]

well, obviously remedy isnt answering my question. i just want to know why someone should buy the ps2 version when they could get the ps2 version, besides the obvious reason that they might not have a computer.
whats gonna keep people coming back?

[SkavenRMD]

If you already have the PC version, why would you buy the PS2 version? I don't see any point in that.

[Death Mage]

Nah, the best time to be a PS2 owner will be Janurary 2002. Final Fantasy X. graemlins/hhg.gif

[Joe Siegler]

<blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr>Originally posted by SkavenRMD:
If you already have the PC version, why would you buy the PS2 version? I don't see any point in that.<hr></blockquote>

More money for Remedy? images/icons/wink.gif

[Bushido]

Homer J. Simpson-"All that money's is your money's money."

[Ninja]

"Apparently" there were rumours that Max Payne for PS2 would have tweaked particle effects and a multi-player mode.

Personally, I doubt that those two will be in. For MP on a console, it would be easier to do than an online mode.

You could make bullet-time limited to either pickups or kills i.e the more people you kill (2-4 player mode for the consoles), the more BT you get.

The BT issue (how non BT players can move/shoot at the BT person) would be slightly easier to deal with with only two- four players compared to a server with 10+ people.

[biXen]

Multiplayer, multiplayer. Is that all you can think about? Blah, at least some of us can still sit down and enjoy a good round of SINGLE PLAYER Pacman or Commando...or Max Payne images/icons/wink.gif I love you RMD, thanks for not making anything mediocre...

[Guest]

i somewhat misworded my last post :-p sorry.

what i MEANT to say is that if someone has a computer AND a ps2, and they want to decide why they should buy one or the other, what would make someone lean towards buying the ps2 version over the computer version? anything? if not, than i guess that means you're only porting it to make a profit, which i really have no problem with. however, i think some ps2 owners might get annoyed if they beat a 50 dollar game in 2 days and cant get any mods for it.
i can see the angry posts of ps2 owners everywhere already:
"50 dollars for THIS SH!T!!!?!?! WHAT THE FVCK DID WE DO TO YOU GUYS?!?! WAAAAAAAA"

[ 11-06-2001: Message edited by: Quiddity ]

[Crim]

The only very-good looking (and playing) action game on PS2 is Devil May Cry. It sure helps to have Max on the bandwagon. Whatever you RMD guys do, DONT release Max on PS2 around Jan-Feb time frame. That period is reserved for a certain Fantasy.

[Lazarii]

Regarding the Playstation 2 business you guys were tit for tatting about, I have a PS" and have had it since March of this year. I buy on average, about 2 games a month, and I love it. GTA3 is by far the best gme but the graphics are wank. MGS2 Demo is fantastic, but its too noisy on the system. Zone Of The Enders is great arcade style fighting fun, but it takes about 4 hours to complete. Oh and I did Devil May Cry in 2 and a half hours first day I fot it, having waited over a year. But does all this bother me? No, it doesn't, because the PS2 is a fantastic console. Its the "brand new" familly home entertainment system, and this time in 2004 it'll basically be very similar to a PC.

King Bill Gates is scared of this. King Bill Gates is evil. King Bill Gates feels that after making 2 billion every hour for the past 15 years, he still wants more money, even though he can buy the universe now, and still have enough cash to create his own. Thats where the X-BUTT, has come from. He thinks "I wonder if the gaming world will notice that I know nothing about games. I hope they don't find out that its just a high end tower with 40% of the PC's functions." You see King Bill, is a spawney retro twonk, and would re-release the ZX Spectrum if he felt fit, which would still be a better success than the X-BUTT will. Oh, and the fact that they have robbed every other consoles games is just wank. What ever happened to System exclusive games? Oh yeah, I forgot about Halo, and Munche's........ no wait, thats Abe 3, so all the fans of Abe will have to buy an X-BUTT now. Oh Gosh darn it.

I leave it all down to marketing.