Old vs. New Gamers:Will They Even Know of Duke????

[jagzzz]

Let's see. I forget when Duke3D was released, but I was probably around 15-16. Now I'm around 24 years old.

I am almost married now with kids. I wonder if the old fan base is going to bleed itself to death via age. Even if it doesn't, new gamers will have NO idea of what/who/where Duke came from.

Times have changed. People have changed. Hmm...

[Tatts]

If the game is good, people will buy & play it!

Doom 3 did ok. That was a fair few years between incarnations!

[Denz]

They will be the new trendy fans.

[Ivan]

Tatts said:
If the game is good, people will buy & play it!



And how will they know the game is good without playing it in the first place?

[Gryph]

Duke Nukem is a hero that is forever. All these new punks will be schooled on who a real video game hero is. Master Chief? HA! There is none other than Duke Nukem.

But seriously, most of the game playing and buying population is not the new gamers, it's older gamers who have played Duke 3D or atleast know who he is. Especially those that can afford PC rigs and next gen consoles to play it. I think Duke Nukem is still popular despite the fact a Duke Nukem game hasn't been released in a while.

[FireFly]

Ivan said:
And how will they know the game is good without playing it in the first place?


Reviews, word-of-mouth, friends, the demo.

[Ivan]

FireFly said:

Ivan said:
And how will they know the game is good without playing it in the first place?


Reviews, word-of-mouth, friends, the demo.



Reviews are bullcrap, imo. Opinions are different from one another and you can't base yourself to buy a game. Are 3DR going to release a demo at all? I think I read somewhere around here that there was no demo before the game.

Anyways, I hope that oldschool gamers will show the new ones who is Duke. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Duke games are released regulary, take a look at this (http://www.3drealms.com/history2.html) list.

One or more Duke Nukem games have been released every year since 1996 excluding 2001 and 2003 and in 2003 the Duke3D source code was released.

Also look at when something about DNF is dicussed at various forums around the internet. There has also been a maturing among gamers, many of those who where gamers back in 1996, still are.

Also these "new" gamers is exactly the kind of people the hype period exists for.

[FireFly]

Ivan said:
Reviews are bullcrap, imo. Opinions are different from one another and you can't base yourself to buy a game. Are 3DR going to release a demo at all? I think I read somewhere around here that there was no demo before the game.

Anyways, I hope that oldschool gamers will show the new ones who is Duke. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Well that's what people use, which is why a new game can come out without a demo and sell well.

Yes, George has said he expects the demo to be released after the game is on the shelves.

[Cerberus_e]

Ivan said:
I think I read somewhere around here that there was no demo before the game.



Not before the game is released, but there is bound to be one after the game is released.
Why does it have to be a demo before the game is released to let the new wave of gamers know who Duke is? A demo after the release does the job too http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

And to the thread starter: don't worry, most gamers that were gaming in the era of Duke3D are still gaming today.
Proof: I'm still here, and you are still here! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
the fact you make a thread where you imply you played Duke3D 10 years ago, and that you are still gaming today, well, don't think you are unique in that regard http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Don't forget the average gamer is 30, and don't forget lots of people that played Doom when it was released were pleasantly surprised to hear Doom 3's announcement, and played it.

[Kev_Hectic]

Tatts said:
If the game is good, people will buy & play it!





Exactly. I'm sure there were a lot of people out there who bought Duke Nukem 3D without ever knowing that it was a sequel to two other games. If it's a good game, people will buy it regardless if they know who Duke Nukem is or not.

[Gibaholic]

Young kids dont like games with any made up characters, all they like is counter-strike. All my friends talk about is call of duty 2 and counter strike. They asked me what I liked and I said duke3d and they laughed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Orochi Avlis]

Gibaholic said:
They asked me what I liked and I said duke3d and they laughed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


Smack em once for me. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

Honestly, I don't care if "new gamers" will like it. I know the fans will love it, and that's what matters.

And if these "new" gamers and truely gamers, they'll listen to others with an open mind and give it a shot. I dont' think Duke is unknown just because there hasn't been a PC FPS release since 1997.

Tons of people know him and what he's about... and we'll be the ones playing DNF and loving every minute of it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[laffer]

I'm sure some people will go : "they made a real shooter based on that mobile game?? weird!" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Marty]

Denz said:
They will be the new trendy fans.


flat-tops are like sooo 80's

[Orochi Avlis]

If Joe gets annoyed with current discussions here that pop up again and again, wait til the new comers, uh well..., come.

I think we all dread that day. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Ivan]

Cerberus_e said:

Ivan said:
I think I read somewhere around here that there was no demo before the game.



Not before the game is released, but there is bound to be one after the game is released.
Why does it have to be a demo before the game is released to let the new wave of gamers know who Duke is? A demo after the release does the job too http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Actually, the true matter of fact here, at least for me,is not if the demo is released before/after the aqctual game, it's if the demo will be a good introduction of Duke to new gamers? Like the origial poster said, and my friends are like his, they like reality, not macho-type games, but some may find themselfs in that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif I don't think you can fully enjoy a game without having played the prequels (Is that what it's called?). http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[George Broussard]

Gibaholic said:
Young kids dont like games with any made up characters, all they like is counter-strike. All my friends talk about is call of duty 2 and counter strike. They asked me what I liked and I said duke3d and they laughed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


They play Halo. That has plenty of character.

[SyntaxN]

George Broussard said:
They play Halo. That has plenty of character.


Now that was a great post http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

SyntaxN said:

George Broussard said:
They play Halo. That has plenty of character.


Now that was a great post http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif



Hell, it's just nice to see George post at all. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[mysteryperfecta]

3dr will definately have to reintroduce Duke to the new generation of gamers. But they'll get that opportunity.

Main characters with "attitude" are more prevalent now than a few years back, so Duke won't stand out as much, but he's can still be an asset.

[Steve]

Ivan said:

FireFly said:

Ivan said:
And how will they know the game is good without playing it in the first place?


Reviews, word-of-mouth, friends, the demo.



Reviews are bullcrap, imo. Opinions are different from one another and you can't base yourself to buy a game. Are 3DR going to release a demo at all? I think I read somewhere around here that there was no demo before the game.




How the heck do you think gamers know about how good a game is? Reviews, word-of-mouth, friends, demos. Been like that for about 10-15 years, buddy http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Steve]

George Broussard said:

Gibaholic said:
Young kids dont like games with any made up characters, all they like is counter-strike. All my friends talk about is call of duty 2 and counter strike. They asked me what I liked and I said duke3d and they laughed. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif


They play Halo. That has plenty of character.


Classic.

[Water12356]

Thanks for that George. I needed a good laugh!

[Halcyon]

Will They Even Know of Duke????


I don't see a problem there. As someone has mentioned above, Doom 3 sold very well though 10 years had passed since Doom 2. However, I think many people will at least take a look at DNF when it hits the shelves, just out of curiosity.

[Tedades]

At least most of the forummembers will buy DNF.

And I don't really know any young kids, but older people all know the Duke. I doubt they will be buying DNF though.

[chitown]

I know what you mean, which is why I try to advertise Duke Nukem Forever in every forum that I go to on the web, just so I can spread the message and inform those uninformed that the game is on its way. I feel this is my volunteering duty to help promote DNF on 3DR's behalf. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Here is what I put as my signature on the posts I make on PlayStation forums

http://portfolio.iu.edu/clsmithj/DN4_sig.jpg

[zwieback]

chitown said:
I know what you mean, which is why I try to advertise Duke Nukem Forever in every forum that I go to on the web, just so I can spread the message and inform those uninformed that the game is on its way. I feel this is my volunteering duty to help promote DNF on 3DR's behalf. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Here is what I put as my signature on the posts I make on PlayStation forums

http://portfolio.iu.edu/clsmithj/DN4_sig.jpg



maybe i'm stupid, but what's the point of spreading a date with no confimation? what's so funny about that?

[Cerberus_e]

chitown said:
Here is what I put as my signature on the posts I make on PlayStation forums



Too bad the date is too close to be possible and also too bad 3DR doesn't like speculated release dates. Neither do I, actually. If I were you I'd remove that from your signature here and on those playstation forums http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[SyntaxN]

I don´t see a problem with this sig, there are so many DNF jokes out there....I don´t think many people will care at all.

[Ivan]

Steve said:

Ivan said:

FireFly said:

Ivan said:
And how will they know the game is good without playing it in the first place?


Reviews, word-of-mouth, friends, the demo.



Reviews are bullcrap, imo. Opinions are different from one another and you can't base yourself to buy a game. Are 3DR going to release a demo at all? I think I read somewhere around here that there was no demo before the game.




How the heck do you think gamers know about how good a game is? Reviews, word-of-mouth, friends, demos. Been like that for about 10-15 years, buddy http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



They just won't have the same feeling.

[avatar_58]

Ivan said:
They just won't have the same feeling.



You don't have to play every game in a series to enjoy it, believe me. I played Ultima VII and many sierra games very late, and yet they still held my attention as if I had known them for years. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I missed Deus Ex but that hasn't softened its hold on me when I started playing it awhile ago.

When people hear of this game, they will try it. They may like it. They may ask "who is duke?" and try his older games. So.....just be ready to answer questions when they post here! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

And there is still Manhattan Project.
It didn't sell well, but you don't have to play a game to know it.
The announcement could be enough to show the name "Duke Nukem" to the new wave of gamers http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[colmtourque]

jagzzz said:
Let's see. I forget when Duke3D was released, but I was probably around 15-16. Now I'm around 24 years old.

I am almost married now with kids. I wonder if the old fan base is going to bleed itself to death via age. Even if it doesn't, new gamers will have NO idea of what/who/where Duke came from.

Times have changed. People have changed. Hmm...



You seem to be under the incorrect assumption that people only buy a game based upon a previous experience with that game or character....hmmm....

(I'm resisting the urge to shoot fish in a barrel here.)

[dudetheman19]

It like with King Kong, everyone knows of the old one, but young people recieve it as a new movie.

[Huckleberry]

I really hope the game stands on it's own. I hope people like it regardless of brand recognition.

[LeadBullet]

Unless they changed their mind, they said a bunch of times before that they would start releasing info when they knew the game was within 6 months of release.

So say they released media\news tomorrow on January 6. Means we wouldn't see the game until around July 6.

[Kronx]

They'll probably wonder why a Serious Sam clone is getting press.

[George Broussard]

LeadBullet said:
Unless they changed their mind, they said a bunch of times before that they would start releasing info when they knew the game was within 6 months of release.

So say they released media\news tomorrow on January 6. Means we wouldn't see the game until around July 6.


Let's not officially hold to the 6 month thing, ok? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Just to manage expectations. We certainly don't want to show the game too early, but we also want there to be more than enough build up time, and we don't want to surprise people.

We don't have any official stance on how long is the right length, but it's not hard coded to six months, either.

Just FYI.

[George Broussard]

I think the key thing is that there probably isn't a gamer alive (or not many) that aren't aware of the name Duke Nukem and that it's a game about blowing up aliens.

So, that's the hard part. Making people aware that you even exist. From there, if we just make a good game, then people should enjoy it, regardless if they are new Duke fans, or old ones.

It's like Star Trek or James Bond. No matter how long they go between movies, people are still aware of them, so that's half the battle. They just need to make a good movie.

[Gideon]

if we just make a good game, then people should enjoy it, regardless if they are new Duke fans, or old ones.



Oh No!.... Let's make a GREAT GAME!

[roryok]

Deleted - accidental double post! -roryok

[roryok]

George Broussard said:
It's like Star Trek or James Bond. No matter how long they go between movies, people are still aware of them, so that's half the battle. They just need to make a good movie.



Yeah, they need to make a good movie, but they haven't made a good one in a long time.

[SyntaxN]

George Broussard said:
I think the key thing is that there probably isn't a gamer alive (or not many) that aren't aware of the name Duke Nukem and that it's a game about blowing up aliens.

So, that's the hard part. Making people aware that you even exist. From there, if we just make a good game, then people should enjoy it, regardless if they are new Duke fans, or old ones.

It's like Star Trek or James Bond. No matter how long they go between movies, people are still aware of them, so that's half the battle. They just need to make a good movie.


And that´s the reason why DNF should´t be just a "good" game but something totally outstanding....
See Half-Life, at the time it don´t got the hype it deserved, but after the release it turned out to be one of the greatest games ever made and people are still playing it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif (I don´t mean something CS related)

[roryok]

SyntaxN said:

And that´s the reason why DNF should´t be just a "good" game but something totally outstanding....
See Half-Life, at the time it don´t got the hype it deserved, but after the release it turned out to be one of the greatest games ever made and people are still playing it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif (I don´t mean something CS related)



The hype is the big thing here. half-life had very little hype, but DNF is up there in the all time hype hall of fame, along with the likes of Doom 3, Dai Katana, Half-Life 2, and GTA San Andreas

[Kristian Joensen]

I disagree, most people except the game to suck and 3D Realms hasn't released any info/media in 5 years(soon), people can't be anything but pleasently surprised.

[roryok]

Kristian Joensen said:
I disagree, most people except the game to suck and 3D Realms hasn't released any info/media in 5 years(soon), people can't be anything but pleasently surprised.



I think people just say they expect it to suck, but they're secretly hoping it'll be good. People are often childish like that.

And regardless of what people think/expect, duke has been hyped, in that nearly everyone knows about it, and about how long it's taking. You couldn't say the same about half-life (the original) when it was released.

[Cerberus_e]

roryok said:
I think people just say they expect it to suck, but they're secretly hoping it'll be good. People are often childish like that.



My sentiments exactly.
and if you look good on other forum, you'll find tons of people defending the case, because, hey, Duke3D rocked.
Just like it's the case on these forums.

[Anomalous Entity]

I'm usually as cynical as can be when I expect a game to be released. That way, when it comes out, I realise the important thing: it could've been worse. A lot worse, hence I appreciate what was given to me.

[DI-MeisterM]

Kristian Joensen said:
I disagree, most people except the game to suck and 3D Realms hasn't released any info/media in 5 years(soon), people can't be anything but pleasently surprised.



I agree with your opinion. Most people think it will suck or it will be a HL2 wannabe. That's not my opinion, though...

[Cerberus_e]

DI-MeisterM said:

Kristian Joensen said:
I disagree, most people except the game to suck and 3D Realms hasn't released any info/media in 5 years(soon), people can't be anything but pleasently surprised.



I agree with your opinion. Most people think it will suck or it will be a HL2 wannabe. That's not my opinion, though...



A HL2 wannabe? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
That one needs an explanation http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Where did you read that?

[MadMac]

I guess DNF will be considered a Serious Sam ripoff by most gamers below 25years.
It's at least five years late to profit from DN3D's glory. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Micki!]

MadMac said:
I guess DNF will be considered a Serious Sam ripoff by most gamers below 25years.
It's at least five years late to profit from DN3D's glory. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



That's a wierd thought, since Sroteam were inspired by Duke with Serious Sam...
So actually, it's them doing a rip-off... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[roryok]

MadMac said:
I guess DNF will be considered a Serious Sam ripoff by most gamers below 25years.
It's at least five years late to profit from DN3D's glory. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



yeah but bear in mind, there've been plenty duke games since dn3d, on the n64, ps2 etc. when doom 3 came out everyone knew what they were playing and the first doom game is a good bit older than dn3d.

[Micki!]

roryok said:

MadMac said:
I guess DNF will be considered a Serious Sam ripoff by most gamers below 25years.
It's at least five years late to profit from DN3D's glory. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



yeah but bear in mind, there've been plenty duke games since dn3d, on the n64, ps2 etc. when doom 3 came out everyone knew what they were playing and the first doom game is a good bit older than dn3d.



There has never been a PS2 Duke game...
Anyways, you're kinda right...

But saying: "Gamers won't buy it because they don't know it" is the same as saying "Gamers won't buy a new game, becasue they don't know it"

I mean, I bought Far Cry because i saw it in a magazine, then the internet, and so on...
Why wouldn't this happen to other gamers too..? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[Kalki]

They could do one of those promotional advertisements like the Id Software team did for Doom 3. Where they showed Carmack and Co. talking about how the technology had changed over the years.

Scott and GB could talk about the gameplay and the character and his attitude. They've already taken small steps in this direction with the E3'01 trailer with the intro showing clips from Duke 1 and 3D. It'll be fun.

[souleliminator]

jagzzz said:
Let's see. I forget when Duke3D was released, but I was probably around 15-16. Now I'm around 24 years old.

I am almost married now with kids. I wonder if the old fan base is going to bleed itself to death via age. Even if it doesn't, new gamers will have NO idea of what/who/where Duke came from.

Times have changed. People have changed. Hmm...



I'm about 15-16 now and I've played about every duke nukem game except of the mobile/handheld games http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Cerberus_e]

MadMac said:
I guess DNF will be considered a Serious Sam ripoff by most gamers below 25years.



That's definitely not true, I am 17 and everyone I know (from school mainly) that is into PC gaming knows about Duke Nukem. And more remarkable: most of them don't know who Serious Sam is.


roryok said:

MadMac said:
I guess DNF will be considered a Serious Sam ripoff by most gamers below 25years.
It's at least five years late to profit from DN3D's glory. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



yeah but bear in mind, there've been plenty duke games since dn3d, on the n64, ps2 etc. when doom 3 came out everyone knew what they were playing and the first doom game is a good bit older than dn3d.



Don't forget Doom 3 has a "3" in its name, making it obvious that there have been at least 2 games earlier.
The name Duke Nukem Forever doesn't indicate this for the poeple that don't read about the game.

[Zaarin]

MadMac said:
I guess DNF will be considered a Serious Sam ripoff by most gamers below 25years.



You've got ten years too much in your estimate. Gamers below 15 years *might*, but not over twenties. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif

[bodomite]

mmmmm i think the MAJORITY of young games know DNF....I mean I was in my university caf yesterday and alot of the freshmen guys who are like 18 and 19 knew it and im 25 so im not suprised if it does well http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif I think it should do very well on the market! Especially since so many people have been waiting so long for it ...... when they see it they might shit themselves like WOW I thought it was all a hoax hhehehehe :P

[roryok]

Micki! said:
There has never been a PS2 Duke game...
Anyways, you're kinda right...



ah Ps1 / Ps2, they're all the same.


Cerberus_e said:
Don't forget Doom 3 has a "3" in its name, making it obvious that there have been at least 2 games earlier.
The name Duke Nukem Forever doesn't indicate this for the poeple that don't read about the game.




Now that's just silly. I seriously doubt that many people saw doom3 and went
"huh - there's a 3 in title! There must be OTHER doom games!"

[Cerberus_e]

Of course they did. What would the 3 mean to them, then?
Everytime I see a number behind the name of a game, I immediately think it's a sequel.
I used to think rainbox 6 was a sequel to rainbow 5 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
I used to think rainbox 6 was a sequel to rainbow 5 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif

[hell-angel]

I think they will know, more so since most reviewers, sites and magazines know about DNF and will make a big fuss about it once new info is released. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[MadMac]

Micki! said:
That's a wierd thought, since Sroteam were inspired by Duke with Serious Sam...
So actually, it's them doing a rip-off... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Yeah, I'm fully aware of that, and think they did a good job filling the gap.
Not quite the real thing, of course.


roryok said:
yeah but bear in mind, there've been plenty duke games since dn3d, on the n64, ps2 etc. when doom 3 came out everyone knew what they were playing and the first doom game is a good bit older than dn3d.

Well, there was merely Manhatten Project on the PC in the meantime, which I wouldn't really consider a "Duke game" (though he started out side-scrolling in the first place).

To all the "younger ones" among you:
sorry, I guess I should've given you more credit for keping on track with gaming history. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[pjohnsonjr]

I don't think it's a big problem. For the fact that if you haven't heard about Duke Nukem before in the slightest, you've been living under a rock. As for it being claimed as a rip off of Serious Sam... Nope, because the person who jumps up saying that will get put back in place by the people who have played Duke games before. I don't think it will have a hard time selling, because of the "holy crap! It IS gonna be released" press and the diehards and the FPS junkies. I really don't see it being a problem.

[hell-angel]

I just found this out:
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/678/678176p1.html

So I guess it's not much of a problem, people still know about DNF. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Wotcher]

Considering how many 'references' there are to DNF out there in the net I'd be surprised to find many people who hadn't heard of the game, even if all they knew was that it was a game taking ages to be released.

[roryok]

Cerberus_e said:
Of course they did. What would the 3 mean to them, then?
Everytime I see a number behind the name of a game, I immediately think it's a sequel.
I used to think rainbox 6 was a sequel to rainbow 5 http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



You thought Malcom X had nine prequels too I suppose

[Kristian Joensen]

MadMac said:
I guess DNF will be considered a Serious Sam ripoff by most gamers below 25years.
It's at least five years late to profit from DN3D's glory. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



A Serious Sam ripoff ? That presupposes that it will like Serious Sam. It seems like it will place alot more emphasis on story and character than the SS games it will probably also be ALOT more interactive. It will be more of a cross between the Serious Sam and Half-Life games.