Upgradable weapons?

[The King of Ogres]

I would really like to see a feature like this. There aren't many games that you can upgrade weapons like in Residen't Evil 4 and Quake 4. You can upgrade several weapons. Not everything but maybe like upgrading the shotgun to have more ammo or making it clip based for faster reloading. And why not upgrade the pistol (or desert eagle) with having a laser for easier aiming at enemies. also a upgrade could have some negative sides? Like having a flashlight for dark levels could reveal your presence by the beam of light.

[George Broussard]

The King of Ogres said:
I would really like to see a feature like this. There aren't many games that you can upgrade weapons like in Residen't Evil 4 and Quake 4. You can upgrade several weapons. Not everything but maybe like upgrading the shotgun to have more ammo or making it clip based for faster reloading. And why not upgrade the pistol (or desert eagle) with having a laser for easier aiming at enemies. also a upgrade could have some negative sides? Like having a flashlight for dark levels could reveal your presence by the beam of light.


We've opted to put complexity in other areas of the game, where it may be more noticeable.

I never noticed the upgrades in RE4 at all. I kept buying them, and I assume they helped me, but I never felt more powerful, because as I upgraded weapons, I assume the creatures were getting harder too, so it just balanced out.

[The King of Ogres]

George Broussard said:

The King of Ogres said:
I would really like to see a feature like this. There aren't many games that you can upgrade weapons like in Residen't Evil 4 and Quake 4. You can upgrade several weapons. Not everything but maybe like upgrading the shotgun to have more ammo or making it clip based for faster reloading. And why not upgrade the pistol (or desert eagle) with having a laser for easier aiming at enemies. also a upgrade could have some negative sides? Like having a flashlight for dark levels could reveal your presence by the beam of light.


We've opted to put complexity in other areas of the game, where it may be more noticeable.

I never noticed the upgrades in RE4 at all. I kept buying them, and I assume they helped me, but I never felt more powerful, because as I upgraded weapons, I assume the creatures were getting harder too, so it just balanced out.



Hmm ok, whenever i upgraded a weapon like red9 or a shotgun it felt more powerful. But if the monster did get harder, why even have upgradables http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif?

[ColdCat]

George Broussard said:
We've opted to put complexity in other areas of the game, where it may be more noticeable.



I don't think upgrades like more ammo or faster fire rate and such lame stuff is needed because after all it is still a Duke game!

But you still have new weapons of joy? Something new, innovative and fun to play? Like the ol' freezer or shrink ray or hl2 gravity gun?


And speaking of weapons:

The quickkey for pipebombs is a good idea but please rethink the concept of the quickkey.

Why don't you do a quickkey like the one in Manhatten Project? One press throws a Pipe, another press starts the mess, ka-boooooom. Pressing quickkey a few times would launch more Pipebombs. Weapon would switch automaticly to pipebombe and (after a short time) back to your previously used weapon.

Or quickkey throws one pipebomb, automatic weapon switch to pipebombe trigger, left mouse button starts the mess and right mouse throws more pipebombs. quickkey again and your are back at your previously used weapon.

Your idea will lead to a triggerd PipeBombe which will degenerate to a standard-xyz-every-game-has-it greneade! It is a pretty bad compromise and not Duke Nukem style.

Thanks. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

The Shrinker and Freezer have both been confirmed by George.

[Denz]

Oh noe please... Duke is a interplanetaire hero that deserve the best outfit to outrun the aliens. He don't need upgrade, he has the best outfit of the Werld.

Like i never ever used the capacity of the OICW on SOF2. I just sticked with AK 74, M4 with grenades luncher, and shootgun.



The faster the funnier.

[Cerberus_e]

I don't like buying upgrades for weapons because:

- I don't like FPS/RPG hybrydisations
- even if you don't have to pay for it and you get it as the game progresses like in Quake 4 then it's still frustrating when you replay the game.
Later in the game youdon't need to reload your shotgun shells one by one, and when you replay the game it's frustrating because you have to http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Jabba the Hutt]

Duke doesn't need upgrades. For saving the world you can expect to have the best weapons available around the world!!

[Micki!]

George Broussard said:

The King of Ogres said:
I would really like to see a feature like this. There aren't many games that you can upgrade weapons like in Residen't Evil 4 and Quake 4. You can upgrade several weapons. Not everything but maybe like upgrading the shotgun to have more ammo or making it clip based for faster reloading. And why not upgrade the pistol (or desert eagle) with having a laser for easier aiming at enemies. also a upgrade could have some negative sides? Like having a flashlight for dark levels could reveal your presence by the beam of light.


We've opted to put complexity in other areas of the game, where it may be more noticeable.

I never noticed the upgrades in RE4 at all. I kept buying them, and I assume they helped me, but I never felt more powerful, because as I upgraded weapons, I assume the creatures were getting harder too, so it just balanced out.



Actually, i must kinda agree, but try making some weapons Fully Upgraded... The "Exclusive" upgrade can be very enjoyable and INDEED very noticable...
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif
<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> Recently, i decided to Fully upgrade my Striker shotgun, and the clip size changed from 18-24 to 100... Now THAT's a difference..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif Can't wait to try that on other weapons... Some doesn't seem to be affected much by it though... </td></tr></table>

[Gatinater]

Kind of reminds me of Global Operations. You could upgrades your weapon with Sound supressors, laser pointers, Extendend magazines, BETA drum magazines and some had the option of doubled magazines so you could just unclip the one in the gun and insert the other into the gun. Really only gave the player the advantage of reloading fasteronce every set of magazines. Other than that it was useless.

Oh yeah! Also flashlights and scopes. Nightvision costed $450 and the tac lights were $75 so there was a reason to have both. Ingame economics.

I don't know if upgradable weapons is the thing for Duke. I get the impressin that it's a game with mostly close quaters bullet spraying type scenarios. Plus Sci Fi and unconventional weapons are more of his style.

The existence of revolving & automatic pistols that fire lead or steel bullets via powder and casing will never be phased out. Neither will the shotgun (definitly), repeating action and automatic rifles. Not unless, brass, lead, and gun powder becomes expensive or non existent.

So Duke has a little of both in his arsenal.

[roryok]

Upgradable weapons are a great idea. In theory.

I think most people don't bother with them much though. the only game I really used the upgradable weapons in was Deus Ex : Invisible War. And then you pretty much had to, because you start off as such a wimp you could get in a tussle with a rat and die.

[Denz]

Denz said:
Oh noe please... Duke is a interplanetaire hero that deserve the best outfit to outrun the aliens. He don't need upgrade, he has the best outfit of the Werld.

Like i never ever used the capacity of the OICW on SOF2. I just sticked with AK 74, M4 with grenades luncher, and shootgun.



The faster the funnier.




Jabba the Hutt said:
Duke doesn't need upgrades. For saving the world you can expect to have the best weapons available around the world!!







I agree with both of them.

[Gaut]

The Expander was a upgrade for Shrinker wasnt it?
just a little something to keep in mind.

[Cerberus_e]

Gaut said:
The Expander was a upgrade for Shrinker wasnt it?
just a little something to keep in mind.



No, it's an all new weapon, it just has the same slot as the shrinker because there were no slots left, and it also has the same sprite, just a different color of substance. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
But it's definitely a different gun. Proof: you pick them up as full guns.

[Gaut]

Actually im sure that if u change ammo and put the little parabolic thing on a shrinker it would be a expander tho (a uppgrade to a diffrent function)
but in the game it was easier for duke to just carry around 2 guns instead of modifying it all the time?

[Cerberus_e]

Whether the expander is actually an upgraded version of the shrinker is irrelevant, the question of this thread is: "will you upgrade your weapons in the game?".
So even if the expander is an upgraded version of the shrinker in Duke3D, you still don't upgrade your weapons in the game, because the shrinker and expander are carried seperately http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Gaut]

well well the point tho was that a uppgrade doesnt need to mean thats its ex. faster reload more efficiency etc but it could in fact have a diffrent function tho its pretty similar things it deals with like the shrinker/expander both manipulated size and mass...

[Cerberus_e]

Yes, that's the main reason why the Shrinker to Expander wasn't a process of upgrading in Duke3D, I think, because as soon as you would have the expander, you'd loose the ability to shrink enemies, which would detract from the fun http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Gatinater]

What about swinging a toaster by it's cord and throwing it like a bolo?

[roryok]

Gatinater said:
What about swinging a toaster by it's cord and throwing it like a bolo?



Excellent. but before that, how about being able to load pop tarts in there and launch them at the enemy, scalding him!

[RoveR]

I will tell you, i don't really care about weapon upgrades...

Just gimme good, cool weapons and i'm sold http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Plus, i can't really imagine Duke customizing his guns... i think he's got a "gimme a gun and i'll save the world" edge... so he doesn't care about maximising weapons...

I think that a "gradual improvement" of his shooting ability during the game should be implemented.

like being able to reload faster, shoot in a more accurate way, being able to carry more ammo with him, and so on.

In fact, "the more you shoot, the more you kick asses http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif", even in real life.

[Halcyon]

Duke doesn't need weapon upgrades imho. No time to upgrade your weapons when you have to save the world all by yourself, eh? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[roryok]

Halcyon said:
Duke doesn't need weapon upgrades imho. No time to upgrade your weapons when you have to save the world all by yourself, eh? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



yeah. Upgrades? Just gimme more ammo and a selection of decent weapons any day.

[peoplessi]

Duke already has the best weaponry that is available. George also brought up the point that upgrading is more off a gimmick, than true improvement. In my opinion upgrading is not needed, and time saved by not implementing this feature can be spent on other, more better ways.

[Gatinater]

Yeah, a gun is a gun. As long as it can put a hole in something and make it bleed it's good enough.