Hard question..

[thanatar]

Hi guys,

i have a hard question i think, everbody knows the e3 2001 dnf video, because we watched it over 1000 times. the scene at the end, the stripper and strange guy, the song in the background. does anybody know the song? it totally rocks. i hope someone can help me.

sorry for my bad language, i am a german guy.

greetz jens

[Gideon]

I would imagine it was created for the game.

[FireFly]

It was a custom track by Lee Jackson.

[Micki!]

FireFly said:
It was a custom track by Lee Jackson.



Ayye... He rocked...
Kinda sad he's not working on the current game... Hopefully they're re-using his work from the previous versions... I hope they have got a good replacement for him... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[EDIT:] thanatar@ You may want to visit Duke4.net, since we provide german news posts, and have a german forum section as well... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[thanatar]

damn.. his music kicks ass

[Halcyon]

Micki! said:
Ayye... He rocked...
Kinda sad he's not working on the current game...


Are there any reasons known why he's not working on the current game?

[thanatar]

i hope the song of the end is in the final game, i would like to enter the bar with the music in the background. then i will put some money into babys strings

[roryok]

thanatar said:
i hope the song of the end is in the final game, i would like to enter the bar with the music in the background. then i will put some money into babys strings



Yeah, it might be on a jukebox somewhere, that fit in. But I think george mentioned something about there not being any music at all during the games.

[Cerberus_e]

roryok said:

thanatar said:
i hope the song of the end is in the final game, i would like to enter the bar with the music in the background. then i will put some money into babys strings



Yeah, it might be on a jukebox somewhere, that fit in. But I think george mentioned something about there not being any music at all during the games.



He meant that there won't be background music created by thin air, that doesn't exclude music where it actually makes sense (like in a bar).

[thanatar]

i hope the music will be in :[

[roryok]

thanatar said:
i hope the music will be in :[



hey you know what would kickass? If you could have a jukebox with your own choice of music on it (mp3s, or just a selection of music created for the game)

BUT when you choose a track, the strippers dance in rhythm to it!

[Montykoro!]

roryok said:

thanatar said:
i hope the music will be in :[



hey you know what would kickass? If you could have a jukebox with your own choice of music on it (mp3s, or just a selection of music created for the game)

BUT when you choose a track, the strippers dance in rhythm to it!



A winner Idea! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Would double gameplay length http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[roryok]

Cerberus_e said:
Would double gameplay length http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



hell I'd probably stop playing entirely at that point. But then again it IS duke...

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:
Would double gameplay length http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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double?? I have well over 122 hours of MP3's on my computer, I doubt that duke is that long normally. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[roryok]

hell-angel said:

Cerberus_e said:
Would double gameplay length http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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double?? I have well over 122 hours of MP3's on my computer, I doubt that duke is that long normally. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



yeah but can you really watch a stripper try to dance to christopher walken reading 'the raven' ?

[hell-angel]

roryok said:

hell-angel said:

Cerberus_e said:
Would double gameplay length http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

\


double?? I have well over 122 hours of MP3's on my computer, I doubt that duke is that long normally. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



yeah but can you really watch a stripper try to dance to christopher walken reading 'the raven' ?



No, but the song "burn in hell" from dimmu borgir could be cool, or rammstein, or metallica, or some latin music. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

hell-angel said:

roryok said:

hell-angel said:

Cerberus_e said:
Would double gameplay length http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

\


double?? I have well over 122 hours of MP3's on my computer, I doubt that duke is that long normally. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



yeah but can you really watch a stripper try to dance to christopher walken reading 'the raven' ?



No, but the song "burn in hell" from dimmu borgir could be cool



As much as I like that cover (that's right, Dimmu Borgir didn't compose it) it would make a terrible addition to the Duke Nukem Forever OST http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[hell-angel]

Cerberus_e said:

hell-angel said:

roryok said:

hell-angel said:

Cerberus_e said:
Would double gameplay length http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

\


double?? I have well over 122 hours of MP3's on my computer, I doubt that duke is that long normally. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



yeah but can you really watch a stripper try to dance to christopher walken reading 'the raven' ?



No, but the song "burn in hell" from dimmu borgir could be cool



As much as I like that cover (that's right, Dimmu Borgir didn't compose it) it would make a terrible addition to the Duke Nukem Forever OST http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



True, but I would love to see those strippers dance on it if they can automatically do that. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Well, they could most likely only do it scripted with pre-selected songs by 3DR included in the Jukebox, not with mp3s from your hard drive http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Fox McCloud]

Uh, so, OK, there won't be music during gameplay.

But, if some duke3d levels are remade, then could there be somebackground music too? It doesn't have to play all the time, maybe it could fade in or out. You could get into some really crazy ideas, like adjusting the music somehow according to how hurt you are, or how much time there is left on the clock during a V.S. game, or how close the score is in a V.S. game.

Or something.

[hell-angel]

Fox McCloud said:
Uh, so, OK, there won't be music during gameplay.

But, if some duke3d levels are remade, then could there be somebackground music too? It doesn't have to play all the time, maybe it could fade in or out. You could get into some really crazy ideas, like adjusting the music somehow according to how hurt you are, or how much time there is left on the clock during a V.S. game, or how close the score is in a V.S. game.

Or something.



For MP there is a jukebox mode available iirc where you can load up your own songs, maybe 3DR supplies some themselfs as well. But in SP it's only locational music (if it fits).

[roryok]

Cerberus_e said:
Well, they could most likely only do it scripted with pre-selected songs by 3DR included in the Jukebox, not with mp3s from your hard drive http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



no way, all they gotta do is link the speed of the dancing anims to the speed of the beat of the song, which is easy peasy to figure out with software.

[hell-angel]

roryok said:

Cerberus_e said:
Well, they could most likely only do it scripted with pre-selected songs by 3DR included in the Jukebox, not with mp3s from your hard drive http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



no way, all they gotta do is link the speed of the dancing anims to the speed of the beat of the song, which is easy peasy to figure out with software.



Which doesn't mean it will look right for that song though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif It's a lot more work then it sounds because the beat is not everything in the song, you can have songs with the same beat but one will sound romantic while the other sounds more hardcore. But that is due to the rest of the sounds and not the beat. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[roryok]

hell-angel said:

roryok said:

Cerberus_e said:
Well, they could most likely only do it scripted with pre-selected songs by 3DR included in the Jukebox, not with mp3s from your hard drive http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



no way, all they gotta do is link the speed of the dancing anims to the speed of the beat of the song, which is easy peasy to figure out with software.



Which doesn't mean it will look right for that song though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif It's a lot more work then it sounds because the beat is not everything in the song, you can have songs with the same beat but one will sound romantic while the other sounds more hardcore. But that is due to the rest of the sounds and not the beat. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



well maybe thats whats taking so long

[Steve]

roryok said:

thanatar said:
i hope the music will be in :[



hey you know what would kickass? If you could have a jukebox with your own choice of music on it (mp3s, or just a selection of music created for the game)

BUT when you choose a track, the strippers dance in rhythm to it!


Loving that idea!

[hell-angel]

roryok said:

hell-angel said:

roryok said:

Cerberus_e said:
Well, they could most likely only do it scripted with pre-selected songs by 3DR included in the Jukebox, not with mp3s from your hard drive http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



no way, all they gotta do is link the speed of the dancing anims to the speed of the beat of the song, which is easy peasy to figure out with software.



Which doesn't mean it will look right for that song though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif It's a lot more work then it sounds because the beat is not everything in the song, you can have songs with the same beat but one will sound romantic while the other sounds more hardcore. But that is due to the rest of the sounds and not the beat. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



well maybe thats whats taking so long



hehe, hopefully not. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Beside, if you look at when they restarted it's not taking that long. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Just the time before that is what makes it look like it's taking so long (which of course it does with that added to it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

[roryok]

hell-angel said:

roryok said:

hell-angel said:

roryok said:

Cerberus_e said:
Well, they could most likely only do it scripted with pre-selected songs by 3DR included in the Jukebox, not with mp3s from your hard drive http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



no way, all they gotta do is link the speed of the dancing anims to the speed of the beat of the song, which is easy peasy to figure out with software.



Which doesn't mean it will look right for that song though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif It's a lot more work then it sounds because the beat is not everything in the song, you can have songs with the same beat but one will sound romantic while the other sounds more hardcore. But that is due to the rest of the sounds and not the beat. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



well maybe thats whats taking so long



hehe, hopefully not. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Beside, if you look at when they restarted it's not taking that long. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif Just the time before that is what makes it look like it's taking so long (which of course it does with that added to it. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif )



Yeah I know. It doesn't help much tho. I remember when I was still on a high from dn3d mapping, waiting for DNF so I could make maps for a newer engine.

I eventually cut my losses and decided to map for the new game on the block. That was Unreal.

[Anomalous Entity]

Despite the fact there will be no music in gameplay, I'm sure that the game will support it if you have your own particular OGG's to play, right?

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Anomalous Entity said:
Despite the fact there will be no music in gameplay, I'm sure that the game will support it if you have your own particular OGG's to play, right?



Absolutely it will.

Even if DNF doesnt support playing user music directly (and theres no doubt in my mind that it will), you can always just run winamp in the background anyway.

[Micki!]

Tim. Just Tim. said:
you can always just run winamp in the background anyway.



I'm doing that very often too...
Although, because my curent PC is so limited, it makes some games run slower...

But i usually disable the music from Duke3D to listen to my Winamp playlist.. (i love the midi there, but i'd like my own music too at times) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Micki! said:

Tim. Just Tim. said:
you can always just run winamp in the background anyway.



I'm doing that very often too...
Although, because my curent PC is so limited, it makes some games run slower...

But i usually disable the music from Duke3D to listen to my Winamp playlist.. (i love the midi there, but i'd like my own music too at times) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Yea I used winamp in the backgound while playing counterstrike all the time. But that was really only because the game was so repetitive and my huge playlist really made it a lot more fun to play.

But for a game like DNF, Im sure I wont even want winamp playing. And if there is ingame music, I will probably turn it off for my second time playing through the game.

[Micki!]

You played Counter Strike with Winamp..?
I thought there was a bigger risk for lag in MP games when running stuff in the background... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Tim. Just Tim.]

Yes, winamp was running in the background.

I dont know if it makes a difference performance-wise, but I was using a 'hack' that allowed me to control winamp (play, pause, volume, skip songs, etc) from within the game. So its not like I needed to minimize CS in order to skip a crappy song or anything.

It was really a neat program actually. Basically, you start winamp, start the 'hack', and then start counterstrike. Once in the game, you just press the INSERT key, and it brings up a slick little winamp HUD without disrupting the gameplay at all.

Since winamp wasnt using the internet at all, it didnt contribute to lag whatsoever.

If anything, it might have slowed my computer down a little bit, resulting in a drop in framerate, but:
1) that didnt happen because my computer is pretty fast
2) thats not "lag", at least, not how I define it.

How I miss playing CSS. I actually got banned for... well.. hacking http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Micki!]

Tim. Just Tim. said:
Yes, winamp was running in the background.

I dont know if it makes a difference performance-wise, but I was using a 'hack' that allowed me to control winamp (play, pause, volume, skip songs, etc) from within the game. So its not like I needed to minimize CS in order to skip a crappy song or anything.

It was really a neat program actually. Basically, you start winamp, start the 'hack', and then start counterstrike. Once in the game, you just press the INSERT key, and it brings up a slick little winamp HUD without disrupting the gameplay at all.

Since winamp wasnt using the internet at all, it didnt contribute to lag whatsoever.

If anything, it might have slowed my computer down a little bit, resulting in a drop in framerate, but:
1) that didnt happen because my computer is pretty fast
2) thats not "lag", at least, not how I define it.

How I miss playing CSS. I actually got banned for... well.. hacking http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif



Haha, that's too bad...
Got kicked becasue you enjoyed music..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[brabee]

Micki! said:
Haha, that's too bad...
Got kicked becasue you enjoyed music..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Well, maybe he wasn't just enjoying music http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Or am I wrong?

[Tim. Just Tim.]

No, youre right. The hack came with a wall-hack too and I was too temped to try it out. I only used it one day for a few hours, then found it boring and turned it off permanently. But apparently that was enough, cause I got banned a few months later (they dont ban you as soon as they catch you; they wait a random amount of time, so that the hack-makers dont know wether their hacks are catch-proof or not).
Anyway I cant wait to get back into CSS. The only reason I hacked was because everyone else was doing it and it was frustrating. I assume there are way way less hackers out there now.
And to be fair, Im also just plain really good at the game, and I always always get accused of hacking even when I'm not. Stoopid noobs!

[hell-angel]

Tim. Just Tim. said:
No, youre right. The hack came with a wall-hack too and I was too temped to try it out. I only used it one day for a few hours, then found it boring and turned it off permanently. But apparently that was enough, cause I got banned a few months later (they dont ban you as soon as they catch you; they wait a random amount of time, so that the hack-makers dont know wether their hacks are catch-proof or not).
Anyway I cant wait to get back into CSS. The only reason I hacked was because everyone else was doing it and it was frustrating. I assume there are way way less hackers out there now.
And to be fair, Im also just plain really good at the game, and I always always get accused of hacking even when I'm not. Stoopid noobs!



Yeah, I had that in UT2k3 once, I was playing on a french server and I was kicking ass. (those guys where really bad) and they kept calling me cheater and such. I left after I had won though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif The only online match I ever played where I reached "godlike". http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[nels]

die hackers!