Disney & Pixar

[Mediocre, Man.]

Without Pixars help!

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6952485/

"Jobs also said Pixar has decided not to participate financially or creatively in making sequels to the films made under its Disney deal. Disney has already announced plans for a “Toy Story 3” as well as sequels to “Monsters Inc.,” “Finding Nemo” and “The Incredibles.”"

So. Not. Cool. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Karthik]

Just like how Disney screwed up Jungle Book 2 and Lion King 2! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif

[Mediocre, Man.]

There's no way these sequels can be good, judging by the one's you mentioned, and the fact that Pixar will have (by thier own choice, mind you) no creative input, and they have basically been Disney's only saving grace for a few years running (I think thier last good film was "The Emperors New Groove", and that was, what, 2000?).

I hope Pixar is the new Disney in terms of market ownage... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[IgWannA]

well, i'd like to say this is a bad thing but it's not like pixar will lose anything from these films being made. it just means there will be more 3d animated films on the market which, for me anyway, is a very good thing (since i want to get a job as a 3d animator or modeller). i'm sure the films won't be near the quality of pixar's films but they should at least be good.

[Paroxysm]

Last I heared no director was willing to touch these projects.

[ADM]

Paroxysm said:
Last I heared no director was willing to touch these projects.



Lets hope it stays like that.

[Simon Charles]

A ditch attempt to cash in on successful franchises that are not even the result of their own creative effort. I hope they crash and burn. Everything went downhill after the Lion King.

If Disney wasn't going to stay in the race with their own redesign of traditionnal toon movies, they should have at least gone out gracefully and handle the decline of hand drawn animation with more class than churning out crappy sequels.

[Ivan]

Karthik said:
Just like how Disney screwed up Jungle Book 2 and Lion King 2! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/doh.gif



Don't forget Lion King 1/2.

[Mountain Man]

Sounds like more of Disney's straight-to-video mediocrity.

[Logic Bomb]

This is very bad for the simple reason that pixar will start getting a bad rep. Thus far, in my opinion, every pixar movie ever made is better then the one before it. Hardly anybody in the general public will know the difference between a pixar sequal and a disney sequal. They will just say "that sucked" and not be as pro-pixar in the future.

Pixar should cut all ties and do it all themselves if it was financially possible.

- LB

[Kanyon71]

I think Pixar is going to do enough damage to their rep with the Nascar themed movie they have coming out. I was major disappointed when I saw this drivel in a preview. Guess someone just ran out of real ideas or is trying to cash in on something currently popular. As for Disney I will leave it with a wait and see attitude, hopefully they don't destroy some of the best animted franchises/movies ever.

[LeadBullet]

If I were them I'd sue Disney to try to stop it. Even if the lawsuit fails it will have made enough of a public thing to make it better known that the sequels didn't have nothing to do with Pixar.

[Paroxysm]

It wouldn't even go to court. Pixar has ZERO ownership of any of the mentioned IP's.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

“I know our films don’t stack up against films like ’Atlantis’ or ’Emperor’s New Groove,’ or ’Treasure Planet,”’ Jobs said wryly, referring to three less-than-successful Disney animated films. “We just kind of wrote that off to Michael being a loose canon.”



Steve Jobs is cool.

[Cassius]

Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

“I know our films don’t stack up against films like ’Atlantis’ or ’Emperor’s New Groove,’ or ’Treasure Planet,”’ Jobs said wryly, referring to three less-than-successful Disney animated films. “We just kind of wrote that off to Michael being a loose canon.”



Steve Jobs is cool.

Woot! I look forward to what comes after Cars.

[StarBegotten]

Arent Pixar supposed to be making Tron 2.0? Is that still on the cards?

[Paroxysm]

Nope. Don't know where you heared that.

[motionblur]

Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

“I know our films don’t stack up against films like ’Atlantis’ or ’Emperor’s New Groove,’ or ’Treasure Planet,”’ Jobs said wryly, referring to three less-than-successful Disney animated films. “We just kind of wrote that off to Michael being a loose canon.”



Steve Jobs is cool.


IMO 'The Emperor's New Groove' ist one of the best Disney Films availabe. But - hey. What do I know?

[Mediocre, Man.]

motionblur said:

Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

“I know our films don’t stack up against films like ’Atlantis’ or ’Emperor’s New Groove,’ or ’Treasure Planet,”’ Jobs said wryly, referring to three less-than-successful Disney animated films. “We just kind of wrote that off to Michael being a loose canon.”



Steve Jobs is cool.


IMO 'The Emperor's New Groove' ist one of the best Disney Films availabe. But - hey. What do I know?



I agree, their last great movie as far as I'm concerned! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Tip]

I hope these Pixar sequels are 2d animation so everyone realizes its just some shitty knockoff.
I doubt that will happen though. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
My guess is Disney will do their best to mimick the originals and make something that half decently approximates the looks of the old movies, but none of the great writing.

[Grande 3:16]

Mountain Man said:
Sounds like more of Disney's straight-to-video mediocrity.

And often they're just a few TV episodes strung together and called a movie.

[Joe Siegler]

Paroxysm said:
Last I heared no director was willing to touch these projects.



Don't kid yourself, someone at Disney will get ordered to do it.

What we can hope for is that the original voice talent refuses to take part. I can see some of the really minor names who don't have any other real work doing it, but the biggies in these things will likely refuse.

I predict failure, but I suspect Toy Story 3 will actually get made w/o Pixar. It'll come out and get a lot of attention because of the name alone. Then when people see it, and see it's not the same w/o Pixar involved, who knows - Disney might contract out Pixar to work on a sequel to one of the other films, assuming they're interested at all.

If you read any interviews with the Pixar people about this issue, the sequel rights are a major bone of contention.

[Joe Siegler]

LeadBullet said:
If I were them I'd sue Disney to try to stop it. Even if the lawsuit fails it will have made enough of a public thing to make it better known that the sequels didn't have nothing to do with Pixar.



They can't. It's part of the original deal they signed with Disney. Anoter major issue was that Toy Story 2 didn't count torwards that, since it was originally going to be a direct to video, that ended up going theatrical once they realized it was really good. Because of that direct to video start, Disney said it didn't count towards the number of films under the original contract. Something Pixar tried to fight, but lost.

The bottom line is there's NOTHING that Pixar can do to stop this.

[Joe Siegler]

Cassius said:

Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

“I know our films don’t stack up against films like ’Atlantis’ or ’Emperor’s New Groove,’ or ’Treasure Planet,”’ Jobs said wryly, referring to three less-than-successful Disney animated films. “We just kind of wrote that off to Michael being a loose canon.”



Steve Jobs is cool.

Woot! I look forward to what comes after Cars.



http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0382932/

To someone else: Pixar has zero to do with Cars.

And the new Disney sequels to Pixar films will be animated, not 2D animation like the old stuff. Disney is supposedly starting up their own Pixar like studio, with TS3 being the first project.

[Joe Siegler]

Kanyon71 said:
I think Pixar is going to do enough damage to their rep with the Nascar themed movie they have coming out. I was major disappointed when I saw this drivel in a preview. Guess someone just ran out of real ideas or is trying to cash in on something currently popular. As for Disney I will leave it with a wait and see attitude, hopefully they don't destroy some of the best animted franchises/movies ever.



I doubt that will happen. Cars is being done by John Lasseter, the Toy Story guy. To be honest, I thought every Pixar movie (except Incredibles) before it came out was gonna suck. I never liked ANY of the premises - and they all ended up kicking ass.

I suppose some day Pixar might make one that doesn't do good, but until they do, I'm just assuming it'll be awesome.

[Nessus]

Pixar would do best to just let the sequels go and move on. Its still early in thier history, in ten years they'll have a whole new staple of films and it wont be a big deal anymore.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

I hope that disney releases toy story 3, that way they will rerelease toy story 1 and 2.... so I can finally buy them on dvd.

[Paroxysm]

Joe3DR said:

Paroxysm said:
Last I heared no director was willing to touch these projects.



Don't kid yourself, someone at Disney will get ordered to do it.



Oh of course http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif Such a thing would never stop a project. What it does do however is lower stockholder faith and get it negative press. Both good things to help the trend continuing (TS3 will be a deffinate. The others have enough time to be stopped)

And on Cars. I hate cars, I hate racing, I expect I will love the movie. Pixar haven't let me down, they've earnt a little faith.

[Tip]

Pixar has zero to do with Cars.


What?
I'm fairly sure Pixar is making cars, why else would they have a cars section on their site?
http://www.pixar.com/featurefilms/cars/

[IHerman]

Who cares what Disney does as long as Pixar keeps making Kick Ass movies.

You don't have to watch the Disney crap, and Pixar is probably going to keep making good movies.

Cars might be their first project that's actually going to be less than succesfull. Especially in Europe where practically nobody gives a damn about Nascar.

[Tetsuro]

IHerman said:Cars might be their first project that's actually going to be less than succesfull. Especially in Europe where practically nobody gives a damn about Nascar.


Quoted for emphasis.

I just hope they won't hire the Disneytoon folks to write these 'crapquels', because every single one of their films (which have all been Disney DTV sequels) use almost exactly the same story and feature so many cliches that they should be called 'cliche collections'.

[Kanyon71]

Joe3DR said:

Kanyon71 said:
I think Pixar is going to do enough damage to their rep with the Nascar themed movie they have coming out. I was major disappointed when I saw this drivel in a preview. Guess someone just ran out of real ideas or is trying to cash in on something currently popular. As for Disney I will leave it with a wait and see attitude, hopefully they don't destroy some of the best animted franchises/movies ever.



I doubt that will happen. Cars is being done by John Lasseter, the Toy Story guy. To be honest, I thought every Pixar movie (except Incredibles) before it came out was gonna suck. I never liked ANY of the premises - and they all ended up kicking ass.

I suppose some day Pixar might make one that doesn't do good, but until they do, I'm just assuming it'll be awesome.



Ahhhh by mistake the way they made it sound in the trailer at the movies was that it was going to be Pixar who was doing it. As a whole I have liked everything they have released bar none.

[Kanyon71]

Tip said:

Pixar has zero to do with Cars.


What?
I'm fairly sure Pixar is making cars, why else would they have a cars section on their site?
http://www.pixar.com/featurefilms/cars/



Ok so i'm not crazy, I was pretty sure they at least made it sound like it was a Pixar film.

[KaiserSoze]

Mediocre, Man. said:
Without Pixars help!

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6952485/

"Jobs also said Pixar has decided not to participate financially or creatively in making sequels to the films made under its Disney deal. Disney has already announced plans for a “Toy Story 3” as well as sequels to “Monsters Inc.,” “Finding Nemo” and “The Incredibles.”"

So. Not. Cool. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif



disney has officially "jumped the shark".

[Dukefan]

Joe3DR said:
If you read any interviews with the Pixar people about this issue, the sequel rights are a major bone of contention.



Do you have any links? I'd be curious to read more about that.

[JeremyGritton]

Some interesting trivia :

While Disney is doing the sequels, they do not retain the rights to ANY of the models. They are going to have to redo everything from scratch.

Suckers

[Paroxysm]

I don't believe they have any technology rights either. And considering some of the tech in Nemo and Incredibles it's going to be a shitload of R&D happening

[Mediocre, Man.]

Cyrenius said:
Some interesting trivia :

While Disney is doing the sequels, they do not retain the rights to ANY of the models. They are going to have to redo everything from scratch.

Suckers




Paroxysm said:
I don't believe they have any technology rights either. And considering some of the tech in Nemo and Incredibles it's going to be a shitload of R&D happening




Well, I'm glad that this blasphemous effort will be like needles to the eyes for Disney... maybe they won't be able to quantify the sequels as they have neither the expertise or tech.

[Joe Siegler]

Tip said:

Pixar has zero to do with Cars.


What?
I'm fairly sure Pixar is making cars, why else would they have a cars section on their site?
http://www.pixar.com/featurefilms/cars/



I read my own mesage and I have no idea what I meant to say. Obviously I know they're doing Cars. I just can't fathom right now what was wrong with my brain to make me type that when I know it's not right.

[Viper Knight]

I think you were meaning to say that Disney has nothing to do with cars, Joe. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Tetsuro]

I'd like to quote our dear friend Ian Malcom (from Jurassic Park):

"That's the worst idea in the history of bad ideas."

[Mountain Man]

Paroxysm said:
I don't believe they have any technology rights either. And considering some of the tech in Nemo and Incredibles it's going to be a shitload of R&D happening


This is assuming that Disney has any desire to create Pixar-quality movies, which I doubt. If they can make a buck using relatively low-tech (read "low-cost") computer animation then that's exactly what they will do.

[Lengis]

Tip said:

Pixar has zero to do with Cars.


What?
I'm fairly sure Pixar is making cars, why else would they have a cars section on their site?
http://www.pixar.com/featurefilms/cars/



Looks like Tom the Tank Engine.....

[Simon Charles]

Cars is the first Pixar movie that really doesn't do anything for me. Not particulary looking forward to it.

[Dukefan]

Mountain Man said:

Paroxysm said:
I don't believe they have any technology rights either. And considering some of the tech in Nemo and Incredibles it's going to be a shitload of R&D happening


This is assuming that Disney has any desire to create Pixar-quality movies, which I doubt. If they can make a buck using relatively low-tech (read "low-cost") computer animation then that's exactly what they will do.



I read somewhere that some footage from the direct-to-video sequels to Atlantis and Tarzan was lifted straight from the animated TV series'.

How the current Board of Directors think they are in any way respecting the creativity and imagination of Walt Disney is completely beyond my comprehension. I was surprised it took so long for Roy Disney to write the resignation letter he did.

[Mountain Man]

Dukefan said:
How the current Board of Directors think they are in any way respecting the creativity and imagination of Walt Disney is completely beyond my comprehension.


It's apparent that respecting Walt's legacy is not a priority if it's even a consideration.

[Viper Knight]

I take it from reading the posts here that Disney is going down the crapper. Well, is it? Or is it just turning into a Microsoft?

[pjohnsonjr]

Disney is in the middle of a power struggle. Michael Eisner, the man who is seen by many as the root of trouble for Disney, is finally stepping down in September to make way for Michael Iger to take over. It was because of Eisner that the Pixar deal fell to crap. Seeing that he is going to be taken out of the equation, it might open the door to renegotiations, but it's on thin ice, which is where Eisner parked the deal.

If Pixar did agree, they'd more likely try to put the ball in their court, allowing for more flexibility on their part.

Jut some food for thought...

[Mountain Man]

Viper Knight said:
I take it from reading the posts here that Disney is going down the crapper. Well, is it?


Depends on your idea of a successful business. If "success" means making money hand over fist and to hell with everything else then, yes, Disney in its current state is extremely successful.

If, on the other hand, your idea of success involves integrity and quality then the current Disney is an unmitigated failure.


Or is it just turning into a Microsoft?


I would say Microsoft fits the former definition of "success".

[Dukefan]

pjohnsonjr said:
Disney is in the middle of a power struggle. Michael Eisner, the man who is seen by many as the root of trouble for Disney,


Well, let's give credit where it's due. It's undeniable that Eisner was responsible for Disney's very successful comeback in the early 90s, since the Disney name had become something of an embarassment in the decade before.

[pjohnsonjr]

His reign was the proverbial double edge sword for Disney. He helped them and yet near the end he's hurt them... I do give him credit for the comeback, but now it's in another predicument.

[Needle]

http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/22/0739217
Can't wait for Finding Nemo 4.





There is no god.

[ZuljinRaynor]

I thought they were severing ties with Disney?

[NutWrench]

I hope Pixar charged Disney a metric buttload of cash to buy them back.

[seregrail7]

$7 billion according to the article. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

[Van Hamies]

NOOO! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[JackpotDen]

More like Apple now owns Disney:

The all-share deal will make Steve Jobs, the chief executive of Apple, around $3.5bn and the single largest shareholder in Disney

[dudetheman19]

NEVER!!!

[Paroxysm]

I thought it was commonly accepted that they were going to stay together. It was just not known how much staying together would cost http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Damien_Azreal]

Needle said:
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/01/22/0739217
Can't wait for Finding Nemo 4.





There is no god.



Dammit.

Well.... I was gonna try and say something constructive. But I can't think of anything.

But, if they do end up doing a sequal... I want another Incredibles! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Needle]

Damien_Azreal said:
But, if they do end up doing a sequal... I want another Incredibles! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif


Oh, I'm sure you'll get more than one, the latter ones being presented in straight-to-DVD goodness. And let's not forget the horrible Incredibles animated series.

Ok, we'd probably got that anyway, since Disney ownes the rights to all Pixar/Disney movies up to date. But now we'll get this shit and nothing else, because Pixar won't be out there doing new things.

[Kristian Joensen]

To quote someone from Slashdot:


What this *does* mean is that Pixar will make any sequels to Toy Story et al, rather than Disney trying to do it with some crappy in-house team. The terms of the contract for Pixar's first five movies was that Disney had the rights to the characters and any spinoffs, exclusively. That's still true, but now they can guarantee on Pixar being on board to make said spinoffs. Oh, and Cars might finally get released ;-)
In other thoughts; does this sound like something we've seen before? Small Steve-owned company gets bought for vastly more than its market value by big failing company, Steve gets put in charge of big failing company, big failing company becomes big meteoric success company? Does the word NeXT spring to mind for anyone else?



You guys have to remember Steve Jobs is now the largest single shareholder of Disney. Just like Bill Gates is of Microsoft and Ted Turner of Time Warner.

[Needle]

I think I've read somewhere he owns 7% of Disney now. He's not even close of being the one in charge.

[Kristian Joensen]

7% is really really alot in such a company, this is a public company. He owns 7% and the other Pixar owners own another 7%, combined that is 14% that is about as much as Bill Gates owns in Microsoft to put it in perspective, infact I think it is even more.

With his 7% he is now(or rather when the deal is completed) the largest owner of Disney.

Besides the Apple-Next deal was a cash deal that didn't stop him from becoming incharge at Apple.

[Simon Charles]

Bullshot.

[Kristian Joensen]

What part of my post are you referring to ?

[Simon Charles]

Kristian Joensen said:
What part of my post are you referring to ?



None. I was simply expressing my dissapointement about the news of Disney buying Pixar.

[ZuljinRaynor]

Disney will now be making movies on Macs with Intel CPUs. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[laffer]

You can hardly blame Pixar though... if they got $7 billion, they would've had to be insane to turn that offer down! I didn't know there was that much money in the entire world!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Btw, just to sort of make it easier to understand how much money that is - someone with an annual salary of $50 000 would have to work for 140 000 years to make $7 billion http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

Looks like I was right (http://today.reuters.com/news/newsarticle.aspx?type=topNews&storyid=2006-01-24T212811Z_01_N19337288_RTRUKOC_0_US-MEDIA-PIXAR-DISNEY.xml&rpc=22):


Pixar Chief Executive Steve Jobs will join Disney's board of directors. Under the agreement, 2.3 Disney shares will be issued for each Pixar share.

Pixar President Ed Catmull will serve as president of the combined Pixar and Disney animation studios, Disney said. Pixar Executive Vice President John Lasseter will be chief creative officer of the animation studios.



About the 7 Billion $ thing, to put it in perspective Steve Jobs originaly bought Pixar for 10 Million $ from George Lucas.

Edite:

More on this from Wikipedia:


on January 24, 2006, Disney announced that it had agreed to buy Pixar for approximately $7.4 billion in an all-stock deal. The transaction would catapult Steve Jobs, who was the majority shareholder of Pixar with 51%, to Disney's largest individual shareholder with 6% and a new seat on its board of directors. Jobs' new Disney holdings would outpace holdings belonging to ex-CEO Eisner, the previous top shareholder who still held 1.7%, and Disney Director Emeritus Roy E. Disney, whose criticisms of Eisner included the soured Pixar relationship and accelerated his ouster, who held almost 1% of the corporation's shares.

As part of the deal, John Lasseter, Pixar Executive Vice President and founder, would become Chief Creative Officer of the newly-combined Disney-Pixar animation studios as well as the Principal Creative Adviser at Walt Disney Imagineering, which designs and builds the company's theme parks. Current Pixar President Ed Catmull would continue as President of the combined Disney-Pixar animation studios, reporting to Iger and Dick Cook, chairman of The Walt Disney Studios.

According to IMDb.com, Toy Story 3 will now have Pixar's involvement.

[IwantMORE]

laffer said:
I didn't know there was that much money in the entire world!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Ohh there's a lot more (http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Wild Falkon]

While I was worried that Disney would churn out sequel after sequel, I can see the company letting Pixar pretty much do what they want, because its gotten Disney so much money in the past.

I don't see the merger necessarily as a bad or good thing. I'm just looking forward to seeing how it all works out. I don't think Disney is stupid enough to have their magnum opus churn out sequels upon sequels.

Maybe I'm too optimistic, but I'm looking forward to what the two combined will churn out.

[pjohnsonjr]

All I have to say is this...

Steve Jobs is a smart, smart man.