F.E.A.R. On MX440...

[Micki!]

I just got it today (January 26), ultra cheap... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif Even though, i KNOW it will not run good... (hell, Doom 3 didn't, and looked like crap, but i managed to beat it several times anyways)

Anyways, my problem is, (and i feared that from reading about it in the manual already) that it doesn't support my current card, the MX440... (<-- http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif)
Now, it's not anything bad... Becasue i'm planning to get a new PC soon... But i'd love trying it out on my current Not-so-good machine... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

So, is there ANY way to cheat my system, to make it work on my non-supporting machine..? Or perhaps some patch which makes it support more cards..?

I'd apreciate any help for this matter...

[Cerberus_e]

It doesn't work because you don't have pixel shaders... even if there is a program to cheat, the game would simply crash because it doesn't change the fact your card doesn't support pixel shaders.

[Micki!]

^^

Oh nooooeeees..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
I don't see why pixel shaders wouldn't be an option, which simply could be turned off... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Pixel Shaders is no longer a nice bonus, but a requirement.
Could also be another feature that prevents you from playing it, but I suspect it's Pixel Shaders http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Kristian Joensen]

What where the first Geforce cards with Pixel Shader support ?

[Nessus]

I believe the Geforce 3 was the first to have hardware pixel and vertex shader support, some of the earlier one's may have emulated it in software but I wouldn't think that would be a viable option for a game like FEAR.

[Micki!]

The minimum graphics card requirement (on the box and manual) happens to be the GeForce4 TI... Which btw supports DX8... While my http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif-card supports DX7...

[Tang Lung]

FEAR doesn't run very well on my ATI 9600...your trying to run it on an MX440? Your a crazee man!?!

[Micki!]

Tang Lung said:
FEAR doesn't run very well on my ATI 9600...your trying to run it on an MX440? Your a crazee man!?!



As i said... I did Doom3 on that machine...
It's like playing F.E.A.R. Without karate... But the slowmotion is there... (running on 5-15 FPS) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

FEAR is a lot more demanding than Doom 3, Micki!
The game convinced me to upgrade THEN, instead of waiting for games like Prey.

[Tang Lung]

Yeh, I ran Doom 3 really well, and Half Life 2. FEAR was the first game that showed my system was starting to struggle. I'll probably buy a completely new system soon enough, If I can get a job finally I want to start building it around the time Oblivion is out.

[Micki!]

Yes, i know it's way more demanding... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
I just hoped i could turn off every kind of eye-candy, to get some good gameplay instead... (Doom 3 was more like "better graphics than gameplay"... This is different...)

//Me cries at some dark corner... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Micki! said:
This is different...



After having finishing both games each at least once before, I can definitely say it isn't different.
F.E.A.R.'s graphics kept the game alive at least as much as Doom 3's.
I played some levels on my old graphics card, in FEAR, and I didn't like the game.
However, when I got my new graphics card and additional RAM, the game was very much different and one of my favourite games all of a sudden.

[Micki!]

Really..?
I would've bet that FEAR was better than Doom 3's gameplay, with all the karate, and the story and stuff... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Anyways, i'll se if i can try it at one of my friends, or by my Cousin... (they have WAY better PC's than me)
Still, it's sad i can't try it, just when i've got it... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

[FireFly]

I don't think there's a fallback for the per-pixel lighting they use, so that would be one justification.

[Cerberus_e]

Micki! said:
Really..?
I would've bet that FEAR was better than Doom 3's gameplay, with all the karate, and the story and stuff... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif



I hardly ever use melee, because it's very risky.
But maybe FEAR's gameplay is better than Doom 3's yes, depending on one's taste. But that still doesn't change the fact that FEAR without decent quality graphics has the same detraction from the game as Doom 3 without decent quality graphics.
Hmmm... maybe FEAR without a decent graphics card is even worse than Doom 3 without good graphics card... since I thought the visual upgrade made FEAR a lot better, unlike Doom 3 which was only slightly better, after buying a new graphics card.
As for the story (which you mentioned, which hasn't anything to do with gameplay). I liked Doom 3's story better, since FEAR's is very difficult to follow and understand.
My lack of English skills didn't stop me from understanding Doom 3's story (less difficult words, and abaility to read as slow as you want, or replay audio logs as much as you want).
While in FEAR they use a lot of difficult words, hardly any emotial messages (emotional messages are easier to follow because they're more immersive), and you only get to hear the message ONCE.

[Grand Fromage]

MX440? Damn. You really need to upgrade that thing, I doubt you'll be able to run any game released from here out.

[Micki!]

^^
Indeed... I'll be getting a new PC... sometime soon... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Cerb@
I understand you, regarding the story of both games...
I agree with the fact that it's easyer to understand (Doom 3 that is)
But since i've only heard about FEAR's story, i can't comment about it...
Anyways, i guess you're right about graphics playing a bigger role to fit FEAR's atmosphere and stuff, to keep the whole feel of the game...

(I had to turn up the some options in Far Cry, because i didn't like it, if enemies didn't have decalls when being shot) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mryuck.gif

[ZuljinRaynor]

Cerb, maybe you just can't understand stories. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif The story is easy to follow for me (still haven't beaten it, mid-terms) and I really pick this stuff up.

For example:<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler"> In MGS2 the player already know that Solid Snake is alive when they are playing as Raiden. But they keep mentioning a dead body of "Solid Snake" missing his right arm (I'm pretty sure right) and I know it's really Liquid's body.</td></tr></table>

As for FEAR on a MX440, forget about it. My brother cranks <25 FPS on his FX5200.

[Cerberus_e]

Micki! said:
Anyways, i guess you're right about graphics playing a bigger role to fit FEAR's atmosphere and stuff, to keep the whole feel of the game...




Yes, you're loosing a lot if you don't have dynamic shadows on your character.
It's very cool to crawl in air ventilation shafts, and pass by a light source, and see your shadow catching up with you over the wall, kind of rotating http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I think you'll like FEAR better.
I can't comment really, Doom 3 was one of the first first person shooters I played in years, then a year of less good games, and then came FEAR and it excited me as much as Doom 3. So I guess FEAR is even better then http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Ok, I like both in different but similar ways http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

ZuljinRaynor said:
Cerb, maybe you just can't understand stories. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



Well, I got the story in any oither first person shooter, and all other story based games like adventure games.
The only other games where I got trouble with was max payne 1 & 2. (A betrays B who is on his turn betrayed by c who is shot by A so B get away with it except C kills him so C thinks he survived and then D kicks in... just an example of confusing stuff http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif)
Don't forget your English is way better than mine.

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:

Ok, I like both in different but similar ways http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Makes perfect sense... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hhg.gif
J/K

[Cerberus_e]

Similar: I like both games so much because of the atmosphere.
Different: the atmosphere feels different to me.

I hope this clarifies http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:
Similar: I like both games so much because of the atmosphere.
Different: the atmosphere feels different to me.

I hope this clarifies http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



Now it does make perfect sense...
//Without the sarcastic tone... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[John]

Actually, you can do alot more in F.E.A.R than in Doom III. Not only does it add a whole new gameplay mechanism (stealth) it adds better scenery, better lighting, better weapons, better fighting, WAY better storyline/cinematics (I actually found the little girl to be scarier than Doom III's baddies XD) and it had better NPC's to communicate/mess with. Ofcourse this is all in "personal taste", but I found the whole game to be ALOT more enjoyable.

[Cerberus_e]

John said:
Actually, you can do alot more in F.E.A.R than in Doom III. Not only does it add a whole new gameplay mechanism (stealth) it adds better scenery, better lighting, better weapons, better fighting, WAY better storyline/cinematics (I actually found the little girl to be scarier than Doom III's baddies XD) and it had better NPC's to communicate/mess with. Ofcourse this is all in "personal taste", but I found the whole game to be ALOT more enjoyable.



Well, I found the little girl to be anything BUT scary.
When you see her, you just KNOW she won't kill you. And her behaviour makes me say "Hh no! How ludicrous!"

Micki!, quoted from "What did you play most recently":


Water12356 said:
Every Modern PC game and demo I had! I finally got my new card in the mail today (X800GTO) and it makes my games a lot prettier than my Radeon 9200 could ever make them. It even made some of them more fun to play!! Especaly the F.E.A.R. demo. OMG I can actually see real looking textures and specal effects now making it 3X more fun, and its 2X as scary!! Ok the X800GTO isnt the most top of the line card, but F.E.A.R. running on all medium settings on MY pc (may put some high to see how the framerate works out) makes me wet my pants!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif



See I didn't lie? I'm not the only one http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And he's playing only on medium! I played with half of the settings on "maximum" even, and you'll play at even higher settings on your new PC http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Sayantan]

Micki! said:
So, is there ANY way to cheat my system, to make it work on my non-supporting machine..?



What use would an old MX440-er be of then? (http://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/tools/3d_analyze/beta.htm) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

No idea about FEAR though. I don't have it. But I could see the dynamic shadows in MP2 using this on my old MX440. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Water12356]

Cerberus_e said:

John said:
Actually, you can do alot more in F.E.A.R than in Doom III. Not only does it add a whole new gameplay mechanism (stealth) it adds better scenery, better lighting, better weapons, better fighting, WAY better storyline/cinematics (I actually found the little girl to be scarier than Doom III's baddies XD) and it had better NPC's to communicate/mess with. Ofcourse this is all in "personal taste", but I found the whole game to be ALOT more enjoyable.



Well, I found the little girl to be anything BUT scary.
When you see her, you just KNOW she won't kill you. And her behaviour makes me say "Hh no! How ludicrous!"

Micki!, quoted from "What did you play most recently":


Water12356 said:
Every Modern PC game and demo I had! I finally got my new card in the mail today (X800GTO) and it makes my games a lot prettier than my Radeon 9200 could ever make them. It even made some of them more fun to play!! Especaly the F.E.A.R. demo. OMG I can actually see real looking textures and specal effects now making it 3X more fun, and its 2X as scary!! Ok the X800GTO isnt the most top of the line card, but F.E.A.R. running on all medium settings on MY pc (may put some high to see how the framerate works out) makes me wet my pants!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif



See I didn't lie? I'm not the only one http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And he's playing only on medium! I played with half of the settings on "maximum" even, and you'll play at even higher settings on your new PC http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



haha! Thanks for quoting me man! But yea, when I played the fear demo on my ld raedon 9200 a few months back, it felt like an entirely different game because nearly everything was on minium. The game just ran so slow and looked so bland, I actually didnt even like the game that much for that reason! I'd be very suprised if anyone can get the game started up on that card.

[Micki!]

Cerberus_e said:

Micki!, quoted from "What did you play most recently":


Water12356 said:
Every Modern PC game and demo I had! I finally got my new card in the mail today (X800GTO) and it makes my games a lot prettier than my Radeon 9200 could ever make them. It even made some of them more fun to play!! Especaly the F.E.A.R. demo. OMG I can actually see real looking textures and specal effects now making it 3X more fun, and its 2X as scary!! Ok the X800GTO isnt the most top of the line card, but F.E.A.R. running on all medium settings on MY pc (may put some high to see how the framerate works out) makes me wet my pants!!! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif



See I didn't lie? I'm not the only one http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
And he's playing only on medium! I played with half of the settings on "maximum" even, and you'll play at even higher settings on your new PC http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif



I could imagine that... And i'm sure i'm gonna love my new PC for that...
I couldn't get any FPS count on 60 since 2002 with my stupic card... That really sucks, and i hate it for that...

[Cerberus_e]

Well, next time you'll be careful when you buy a card, because your overclocked Geforce 2 dates from before 2002, so you can't complain http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif
And you don't need to get FPS of 60... If you go that high you risk tearing if your refresh rate is set to 60 (like it is on my flat screen).
Anything above 30 is good enough to be very enjoyable.

[Water12356]

That reminds me... the only place we have at my college campus that sells computer parts is a walmart, and the cards they sell are OC'd Geforce FX 5500s and Radeon 9550's. lol a sale's person one day tried to point them out to me becasue I told him I was a gamer... He said they just got them in after replacing the old Radeon 9200s... ha ha ha.... moron. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Travis]

I had a GF4 MX 4000, and I upgraded for FEAR, Serious Sam 2, Quake 4, etc. And to run all the 2004 games with the settings up.
I tried to run the FEAR demo with my GF4, and it didn't work. I then used a program to force it to run it, and I could walk around, but I couldn't see anything. I couldn't even see the menus, I just blindly got into the game. The same thing happened with Bloodrayne 2.

[Micki!]

The exact same happened when i installed/tried a demo of Bloodrayne 2 too...
Crappy MX440... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif

[Travis]

Micki! said:
The exact same happened when i installed/tried a demo of Bloodrayne 2 too...
Crappy MX440... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif



I feel your MX caused pain. It really is a crap card. Back when I bought my computer, I didn't know it was crap. I would've got a better one if I knew it was even worse than a GeForce 3...stupid misleading video card labelling. So many consumers wouldve thought it was better than a GF3, maybe even some of them 'upgraded' to a GF4MX from a GF3, thinking it was better.

[Sayantan]

Sayantan said:

Micki! said:
So, is there ANY way to cheat my system, to make it work on my non-supporting machine..?



What use would an old MX440-er be of then? (http://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/tools/3d_analyze/beta.htm) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

No idea about FEAR though. I don't have it. But I could see the dynamic shadows in MP2 using this on my old MX440. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Did it work? I'm curious. I might try it then too. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Micki!]

Sayantan said:

Sayantan said:

Micki! said:
So, is there ANY way to cheat my system, to make it work on my non-supporting machine..?



What use would an old MX440-er be of then? (http://www.3dfxzone.it/dir/tools/3d_analyze/beta.htm) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

No idea about FEAR though. I don't have it. But I could see the dynamic shadows in MP2 using this on my old MX440. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif



Did it work? I'm curious. I might try it then too. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



No way i'm trying that..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I'll follow Cerberus's idea, and wait to i get a new card... I won't spoil all the cool elements, by knowing the story already... I did that with Doom 3... now only the graphics can surpise me, which i don't think is enough to satisfy me, as it would if i tried it with full graphics from the first time... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

Te same goes for Prey and DNF... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[Sayantan]

Then buy a 6200 like I already did. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

This thing has gone so cheap these days. Also you get PS 3.0 with it. So all in all it's very reasonable. And avoid the TC series. They say it's much slower. And just so you don't suffer why I'm suffering ..... get at least a 400W PSU. the NVidia 6 series and up takes lot of power. My screen often blacks out. I'll buy a new PSU very soon too. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Cerberus_e]

Don't do any efforts Sayantan, Micki! is going to buy a brand new system with insane clockspeeds on his processor and with the Geforce FX 5200 he'll buy from me he can't go wrong.
No really, he'll get a 7800GT(X) or the latest ATI card (x8000?).
He'll get even better graphics than me, the bastard http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif


Travis said:

Micki! said:
The exact same happened when i installed/tried a demo of Bloodrayne 2 too...
Crappy MX440... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif



I feel your MX caused pain. It really is a crap card. Back when I bought my computer, I didn't know it was crap. I would've got a better one if I knew it was even worse than a GeForce 3...stupid misleading video card labelling. So many consumers wouldve thought it was better than a GF3, maybe even some of them 'upgraded' to a GF4MX from a GF3, thinking it was better.



I so laugh at all you guys that were/are still stuck with a MX400.
I was stuck with a Geforce FX 5200 until 2 months ago and while it is only slightly faster then the card of you guys, and the same price, I could have all directX9 features, full pixel shader support, ... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I could run every game released, while it crashes for you guys http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
But you used to have a GF3? that's insane! That card can run all games as well, Doom 3 would never crash for you.

[Travis]

Cerberus_e said:
Don't do any efforts Sayantan, Micki! is going to buy a brand new system with insane clockspeeds on his processor and with the Geforce FX 5200 he'll buy from me he can't go wrong.
No really, he'll get a 7800GT(X) or the latest ATI card (x8000?).
He'll get even better graphics than me, the bastard http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif


Travis said:

Micki! said:
The exact same happened when i installed/tried a demo of Bloodrayne 2 too...
Crappy MX440... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tinyted.gif



I feel your MX caused pain. It really is a crap card. Back when I bought my computer, I didn't know it was crap. I would've got a better one if I knew it was even worse than a GeForce 3...stupid misleading video card labelling. So many consumers wouldve thought it was better than a GF3, maybe even some of them 'upgraded' to a GF4MX from a GF3, thinking it was better.



I so laugh at all you guys that were/are still stuck with a MX400.
I was stuck with a Geforce FX 5200 until 2 months ago and while it is only slightly faster then the card of you guys, and the same price, I could have all directX9 features, full pixel shader support, ... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I could run every game released, while it crashes for you guys http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
But you used to have a GF3? that's insane! That card can run all games as well, Doom 3 would never crash for you.



No, I never had a GF3, I'm just saying that a lot of people probably did and thought a GF4 was better.
I had no video card prior to my GF4, it was 8mb shared video RAM.

[Karthik]

Sayantan said:
Then buy a 6200 like I already did. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

This thing has gone so cheap these days. Also you get PS 3.0 with it. So all in all it's very reasonable. And avoid the TC series. They say it's much slower. And just so you don't suffer why I'm suffering ..... get at least a 400W PSU. the NVidia 6 series and up takes lot of power. My screen often blacks out. I'll buy a new PSU very soon too. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif


I thought about upgrading my aging Geforce Ti 4200(128Meg) to a 6200. I've seen these cards with a whopping 512MB of VRAM http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif.....! I then learnt these cards were power hungry(only had 350W PSU) and my Sempron 2600(Socket A) would be a bottleneck. And another fact is MS is coming up with a new version DirectX which emulates DirectX 9.0 and below. Rather than spending money on a upgrade, I decided to hold back and see how the new DX10 cards will perform and the another thing is DX10/Vista recommends an ATi card. So bye bye Nvidia.

[roryok]

there is a way... you need to get the old old old nvidia drivers

45.something

I think they might even be a hacked version.

Basically the mx440 doesn't have pixel shaders, but with these drivers it compensates with the CPU or something.

It allowed my friend to run splinter cell : PT and Doom 3 on his mx440. Not very well of course. Splinter Cell wouldn't load without the old drivers, saying "your card does not have pixelshader support", but with the drivers it loaded, altho the NV and thermal vision suffered a bit...

[FireFly]

Karthik said:
Rather than spending money on a upgrade, I decided to hold back and see how the new DX10 cards will perform and the another thing is DX10/Vista recommends an ATi card. So bye bye Nvidia.


Only because ATI's Vista drivers are currently more mature.

[Cerberus_e]

Karthik said:
So bye bye Nvidia.



I doubt it very much.

[Xerxes]

Micki! said:
So, is there ANY way to cheat my system, to make it work on my non-supporting machine..? Or perhaps some patch which makes it support more cards...



I guess you could hack DirectX and make the pixel shaders either not do anything or write some code to process them.

It'd be kind of slow...

[Micki!]

Oh no... I can't figure how to hack systems and stuff... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
Anyways, according to Cerberus, i'll become a bastard if i get my new system...

Hey, i could live with that..! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif It's not like the first time an Alien was called a bastard anyways... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Karthik]

Cerberus_e said:

Karthik said:
So bye bye Nvidia.



I doubt it very much.


You still remember those browser wars? Rememeber how the sky came crashing on Netscape? Well if M$ wanted ATi to win the graphic section of PC gaming they'll go all out.

[Hudson]

nVidia isn't going anywhere.

[Travis]

roryok said:
there is a way... you need to get the old old old nvidia drivers

45.something

I think they might even be a hacked version.

Basically the mx440 doesn't have pixel shaders, but with these drivers it compensates with the CPU or something.

It allowed my friend to run splinter cell : PT and Doom 3 on his mx440. Not very well of course. Splinter Cell wouldn't load without the old drivers, saying "your card does not have pixelshader support", but with the drivers it loaded, altho the NV and thermal vision suffered a bit...



Doom 3 runs perfectly fine [albeit slowly] on an MX card with no modifications, it doesn't need pixel shaders, and Doom 3 supports it. Splinter Cell, like you said, doesn't.

45.something drivers would have to be pretty damn old, aren't they up to 8x.something now?

[FireFly]

Karthik said:
You still remember those browser wars? Rememeber how the sky came crashing on Netscape? Well if M$ wanted ATi to win the graphic section of PC gaming they'll go all out.


But they're not. They've treated both companies fairly equally.

It's just that ATI have now decided to focus on Vista, to score some OEM wins, so when their cards are advertised they can say they're 'Vista ready' That's why Microsoft are recommending ATI right now.

[XPM]

Now the real interesting issue would be...

Could F.E.A.R run on a Voodoo 3 3000 AGP? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif

[Karthik]

FireFly said:

Karthik said:
You still remember those browser wars? Rememeber how the sky came crashing on Netscape? Well if M$ wanted ATi to win the graphic section of PC gaming they'll go all out.


But they're not. They've treated both companies fairly equally. It's just that ATI have now decided to focus on Vista, to score some OEM wins, so when their cards are advertised they can say they're 'Vista ready' That's why Microsoft are recommending ATI right now.


You mean MS didn't choose them because they were the ones who were working on X360 graphic chipset?

[Hudson]

XPM said:
Now the real interesting issue would be...

Could F.E.A.R run on a Voodoo 3 3000 AGP? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif



Someone got Doom 3 running on a Voodoo 3 2000 PCI

[Micki!]

Hudson said:

XPM said:
Now the real interesting issue would be...

Could F.E.A.R run on a Voodoo 3 3000 AGP? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dopefish.gif



Someone got Doom 3 running on a Voodoo 3 2000 PCI



Wasn't that Voodoo 2..? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Hudson]

Actually, I believe you're right. Which just makes it more impressive http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Cerberus_e]

It is a Voodoo 2:
http://www.firingsquad.com/media/gallery_index.asp?media_id=244

[Micki!]

Thought so.. That's too cool...
Butt ugly, but cooool... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

[XPM]

I think it was Drazula who said that the Voodoo 3 would never be able to run Doom 3 (Or was it HL2)...I remember there was this big major fight! And ofcourse...Drazula was right (as always in his mind) :P

[Hudson]

But a Voodoo 2 did run Doom III http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif

[Cerberus_e]

He said "in his mind" http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Drazula]

XPM said:
I think it was Drazula who said that the Voodoo 3 would never be able to run Doom 3 (Or was it HL2)...I remember there was this big major fight! And ofcourse...Drazula was right (as always in his mind) :P


The discussion you are referring to was back when those Voodoo screenshots were first shown. I never said what you are claiming. I said Doom III shadows could never work on a Voodoo 2/3. Please take note of the word "shadows". Can't be done.

BTW, the Voodoo Doom requires this patch. (http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1462)

[XPM]

Drazula said:

XPM said:
I think it was Drazula who said that the Voodoo 3 would never be able to run Doom 3 (Or was it HL2)...I remember there was this big major fight! And ofcourse...Drazula was right (as always in his mind) :P


The discussion you are referring to was back when those Voodoo screenshots were first shown. I never said what you are claiming. I said Doom III shadows could never work on a Voodoo 2/3. Please take note of the word "shadows". Can't be done.

BTW, the Voodoo Doom requires this patch. (http://www.3dfxzone.it/enboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1462)



Yes you did....And nobody said the voodoo could do any of the shadows...Not me anyway... Just run the game

So Nuh Uh http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif