Windows and You [Archive] - 3D Realms Forums

Kevin Wolff

01-27-2006, 04:06 PM

XP 64 is just a recompiled version of XP with some extra stuff added to facilitate the transition to 64-bit. It's essentially the same thing.

As for me...I never liked Windows all that much...but for the sake of choosing, I'll say 1) 2000 Pro and 2) 95b. Those two always seemed, to me, to be better designed (mostly from a UI standpoint). Currently though, at home, I don't use Windows at all.

The Baskinator

01-27-2006, 04:48 PM

Kevin Wolff said:
Currently though, at home, I don't use Windows at all.

Same here.

Dave-ros

01-27-2006, 04:50 PM

Hmm, nice to have a questionnaire where everyone seems to agree with me http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Moi: "yes", "WinXP" and "WinXP", though technically I only bought WinXP legally because it came with this computer...

8IronBob

01-27-2006, 04:57 PM

Yeah, I can say that I upgraded to Win XP Pro legally, since it was an option on this notebook of mine. Of course, if I ported XP Pro to my desktop, even tho I own both this notebook, and my desktop, it's only legal on this system. I wish to challenge that policy. I feel that you should be place on all systems that you own, not just one system that you own. Certainly not gonna spend another $200 to change that.

avatar_58

01-27-2006, 05:19 PM

SHHH! Joe is probably going to hack the poll and see which of us didn't pay for our copies! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

Yatta

01-27-2006, 07:46 PM

Who's that loner running Windows 3.1? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

avatar_58 said:
SHHH! Joe is probably going to hack the poll and see which of us didn't pay for our copies! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

I don't think the forum software records who voted what. If it does, which I highly doubt, it would record it in the form of IP's. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Kevin Wolff

01-27-2006, 08:18 PM

avatar_58 said:
SHHH! Joe is probably going to hack the poll and see which of us didn't pay for our copies! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

If someone really says that they didn't pay for Windows in this poll, they are retarded.

avatar_58

01-27-2006, 08:30 PM

Yatta said:
Who's that loner running Windows 3.1? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Not sure, but I have run Win 3.11 via dosbox when I was bored one day. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Heres an old shot I found:

http://photobucket.com/albums/y99/neoavatar/?action=view&current=win311.jpg

Jeff

01-30-2006, 07:12 PM

The cost is only $175 CDN for me (OEM). Not too unreasonable. I use XP Home which I bought with the system (OEM copy).

Steve

01-30-2006, 08:14 PM

I'm currently running Window XP home edition. It's bloody cheap: only $120 NZ. Pretty good deal.

mental stampede

01-31-2006, 01:54 AM

The only Windows licences I own came with a computer. I only maintain a windows system for gaming anyway.

The version I've been the most impressed with is 2000 Pro. After the blue-screen throwing instability of 98SE, Windows 2000's stability was a beautiful thing. I actually had the hard drive controller on a Windows 2000 machine die, and the OS did not crash because of it. I was rather impressed.

8IronBob

01-31-2006, 12:44 PM

Well, simply put, my desktop runs Win XP Home, and the notebook runs Win XP Pro. Obviously, I really can't legally port XP Pro into my desktop (even tho I own both systems). Microsoft's too strict about that, I mean, if you own two systems, and one has a different edition from the other, you should be able to run both PCs with the same version. It's not like you're stealing from someone else, you still own it. Something's wrong with that picture.

Roger

01-31-2006, 03:29 PM

I forgot to add in Windows 98. 95, 98, ME, and currently XP.

Tolle

02-01-2006, 01:06 AM

Erm.. IIRC
You do not -OWN- any copy of Windows.
Windows is free (as in beer), but, on the other hand, Microsoft requires you to pay a Non-Voluntary Contribution® to use it http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Switch to windows now! (http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/47221/index.html) http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Jeff

02-02-2006, 06:41 PM

I had paid $175 for XP when I bought it, but you can get Home w/SP2 for $125 CDN and Pro for $175 w/SP2 at my local shop. Sure has come down since XP x64 came out.

Inanimate Carbon Rod

02-02-2006, 07:01 PM

I get WinXP Pro free.

The benefits of going to a large university.

ZuljinRaynor

02-02-2006, 07:12 PM

My second install of XP! I'm on my computer again but my keyboard is being cleaned so I'm painfully using On-Screen Keyboard. Ouch, my wrist. This is a handicap program? No way.

MentalSentinel

02-03-2006, 09:42 AM

1: Yes
2: None. :P
3: XP

PS: Who's running 3.1? :P

Tedades

02-03-2006, 12:20 PM

MentalSentinel said:
1: Yes
2: None. :P
3: XP

PS: Who's running 3.1? :P

Don't you know Bill Gates is a active member of the 3DR-forums and he is know going to hack you?
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Linux is free, and I like it that way.
And I hate winXP home, it sucks butt.

Steve

02-03-2006, 09:32 PM

Since I have a whole new computer I have to buy another copy of Windows XP home. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

Windows XP pro is too damn expensive.

Scotty

02-03-2006, 10:15 PM

A retail copy of XP Pro Upgrade costs $200, and retail XP Pro Full costs $300. Yeah, it costs more, but you should be able to move such a copy to a new computer without a hitch if it's been 120 days since the last activation.

Although an OEM copy may only cost $100 or so, your ability to move it depends on the customer service rep you get when you call in for activation.

I read on the MS newsgroups that activation of OEM copies on different hardware would be denied, but a few peeps here have posted about successfully moving an OEM copy.

If you got denied, you could try calling at a different time of day, on a weekend, etc. The license does state that it's tied to the hardware, so when push comes to shove, you may be shit out of luck.

If you intend to keep your old computer running as a file server, then you have to pay for two licenses, period.

Delicieuxz

02-04-2006, 01:18 AM

Jeff said:
The cost is only $175 CDN for me (OEM). Not too unreasonable. I use XP Home which I bought with the system (OEM copy).

What about taking into consideration all versions of Windows you've purchased, or will have to purchse. I don't think $175 is too cheap after also paying for win98, 95 and 3.1

Scotty said:

I read on the MS newsgroups that activation of OEM copies on different hardware would be denied, but a few peeps here have posted about successfully moving an OEM copy.

If you got denied, you could try calling at a different time of day, on a weekend, etc. The license does state that it's tied to the hardware, so when push comes to shove, you may be shit out of luck.

Is that saying that if you buy a new computer or upgrade the old, that you aren't allowed to use your copy of windows because of different hardware?

Mike359

02-04-2006, 01:27 AM

I still use 2000 Pro and NT 3/4. I hate XP.

Scotty

02-04-2006, 06:06 AM

The retail version can always be moved. If 120+ days have passed since last activation, the retail version can be moved without making a phone call.

OEM versions distributed by an OEM (Dell, etc) can only be moved to another computer made by the same OEM. They're locked to the BIOS and/or mainboard, and don't have to be activated at all when used with an OEM-supplied system.

OEM versions distributed at retail may be locked to the original hardware used during the first activation. The only way to find out is to try to move it and hope the customer service representative that answers the telephone lets you.

I've never done that myself, but like I posted, this was a subject of discussion on the MS newsgroups years ago, and the MS employees that worked with licensing and activation that posted there posted that OEM reactivations on different hardware would be denied. Realistically, some of them have been allowed, as several ppl from this board bought OEM versions, and later reactivated them with different hardware.

I've always played it safe and bought retail versions to avoid any such issues.

jimbob

02-04-2006, 07:15 AM

i once had windows 98, fully legit with all the paperwork, untill my mom thought the license paper was trash and she threw it out http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

Wooloomooloo

02-04-2006, 12:23 PM

Scotty said:
OEM versions distributed at retail may be locked to the original hardware used during the first activation.

I don't think they are. My copy of XP is OEM and has been used on another machine before I installed it on my computer. Since I didn't have to call Microsoft to activate it, I assume it's OK to move these OEM copies around.

Inanimate Carbon Rod

02-04-2006, 12:44 PM

Or you could own a corporate copy like me and install it on an infinate amount of computers.

Phayzon

02-04-2006, 03:19 PM

Inanimate Carbon Rod said:
Or you could own a corporate copy like me and install it on an infinate amount of computers.

same here.

Steve

02-04-2006, 10:36 PM

Inanimate Carbon Rod said:
Or you could own a corporate copy like me and install it on an infinate amount of computers.

How much did that cost you?

I'm going to pick up another copy of WinXP home on Monday. Don't know what I'll do with the other computer. It's pretty crap.

Zeipher

02-05-2006, 04:20 AM

Ever since I upgraded from Windows 98 to Windows XP Home, I haven't ever gone back.

I love a lot of WinXP's functionality, like the ability to skin the interface, and that it's hassle-free to reinstall should something happen. Something bad happening is very rare for me, however.

Playing old DOS games isn't a problem for me anymore since DOSBox came out, which eliminates my only complaint.

ikkejw

02-05-2006, 01:29 PM

yes / none / XP
XP SP1 that is http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Steve

02-06-2006, 05:42 PM

I was rufused a copy of Windows XP home edition OEM. Went like this:

Me:
Hi, I'd like a copy of Windows XP home Edition OEM. $160, right?

Sales rep:
I can't sell that to you.

Me:
Why?

Sales rep:
You have to buy a computer from us otherwise that would be illegal.

Me:
What?

Sales rep:
It's illegal.

Me:
I bought computer parts to build a custom computer from you guys last week.

Sales rep:
You'll have to buy another one.

OKAY... WHAT THE *****!? I have the money to buy XP for a computer I built which has no operating system - which I bought from these guys. WTF? Is it really illegal? I mean, I bought a computer from these guys and all.

NutWrench

02-06-2006, 06:08 PM

OEM versions of Windows come pre-installed on a computer and are bound to that specific machine. It can't be transferred to another computer. When your computer dies, that copy of Windows dies with it. That's why the salesman can't sell you a copy without the computer.

If you're lucky (ha!) you might get it on one of those "factory restore" CDs that completely wipes your hard drive whenever you want to re-install Windows. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif