Will you rebuy your DVDs in HD?

[Twin]

just a quick question...

if hd-dvd or blu-ray become the next standard dvd format will you be willing to re-purchase all of your exsisting dvd's if they put them in hd formator have more extra's?

and also what will you do with your exsisting dvd player?

personally i think this whole blu-ray and hd-dvd have come alittle too soon for my liking, i mean having a dvd player in the home has only really become standard within the past 2-3 years and already you're going to have to throw out your old player for a new one http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif

and i'm guessing they're all going to be region locked and will most likely be impossible to unlock them

[jimbob]

no, i wil not

i already have a lot on movies on VHS and DVD. i dont need more copy`s of star wars, indiana jones and god knows how many more movies

[Phait]

I'm not convinced I ought to see "Old School" in hi-def. Well, maybe the girl wrestling scene.

[Nacho]

Really...when you think about it.

Why do we need a bigger format for DVD's!?

I don't want to buy a new DVD player or rebuy movies. DVD's fit everything they need to. It's rare you need more then 2 DVD's. Friggen A.

[Joe Siegler]

Twin said:
just a quick question...

if hd-dvd or blu-ray become the next standard dvd format will you be willing to re-purchase all of your exsisting dvd's if they put them in hd formator have more extra's?



That depends on whether or not they spell them right and use real words instead of just letters. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif

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will u re-buy dvd's if blu-ray/hd-dvd r standard?

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And no. I will cherry pick a few, but I won't rebuy everything.

[Gatinater]

HELL NO!! The focus is on what the characters are doing. Not some shit going on in the backround.

90% of my movies are still on VHS. When DVD came out I didn't "OOOH!!" run out and buy a DVD player and DVD versions, so I certainly won't run out and get HD versions.

[IgWannA]

i think it would be fair if we got greatly reduced prices on the HD versions if you already own the original. something like $5 to cover the actual material cost.

[Brick_Sledge]

Not everything but I will re-buy the major classics. I'm a cinema major, so I pretty much have to own the best versions of anything movie-related. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

[Kevin Wolff]

No, I will not. I like to watch movies on computers quite a bit anyway, and I wouldn't be able to without yet more hardware. (And software. Y'know how long copy protection kept DVD playback off Linux? Yeah.)

[Boo Boo Juice]

there are only a few that I will rebuy. I probably won't make a decision on either format until it is all said and done.

[Micki!]

will there be HD optimized DVD's..?
Cool, although, i doubt i will...

The Alien Quadrilogy was damn expensive as it is... Rebuying it would sure be nice, but surely damn expensive too... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif

If Predator 1 will happen to be as HD, then i might get that... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

*Ahem, if i ever get a HD TV that is... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Dave-ros]

Short answer: no.

Long answer: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo !!!

Just when we get over VHS, we have to get over the next thing as well? VHS tapes last X number of watches before becoming unwatchable, DVDs last Y number of years before spontaneously combusting (or whatever happens), so can we assume HD or Blu-Ray will last any longer than either, or will they in fact be even more short-lived?

Aside: which one will be the Betamax/DIVX of this generation?

[Iggy]

Twin said:
and i'm guessing they're all going to be region locked and will most likely be impossible to unlock them


From what I've heard there won't probably bé any regionlockincrap. Why? Because some people dó learn.

[Wooloomooloo]

My player is less than a year old and I my DVD collection is comprised of exactly one title, so I don't see myself chaning formats in the next 5 years or so.

[Zztx]

The hell with all that! Gimme a next-gen Laserdisc. Hoo-ray analog. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[The Baskinator]

Zztx said:
The hell with all that! Gimme a next-gen Laserdisc. Hoo-ray analog. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif



o/\o

Nothing beats Star Wars on laserdisc. Whoo!

[phishhead7383]

one thing that no one has mentioned, but just because something is presented in HD doesn't mean that it was FILMED in HD. There is a huge difference. Don't believe me? Watch Discovery HD where all their programming is filmed in HD. Then watch like HBO HD where some movies they present are 20 years old... there is a HUGE difference in image quality. Yes, presenting something in a higher resolution will make an image look better, but there is a VAST difference between it actually being filmed with HD cameras.... Not to mention both blue-ray camps and the hd-dvd camps have both stated they believe it will be a minimum of 3-5 years before this even goes mainstream (meaning when hd-dvd's outsell dvd's). Hell, look how long it took dvd's to achieve that over VHS.

[Paroxysm]

I'm totally unimpressed with the whole HD disc wars. It seems really unnessercery. Sure we can get a picture improvement but I (and most people it seems) are not unhappy with the current quality we have. And for the improvment we do get it doesn't seem anything near worth the investment required for the players and such, let alone the more expensive releases.

Once prices have dropped and the standard wars have played out I may repurchase a few select titles I consider worth it, probably a few of my criterion releases if a much better transfer is available.

[Ruger]

phishhead7383 said:
one thing that no one has mentioned, but just because something is presented in HD doesn't mean that it was FILMED in HD. There is a huge difference. Don't believe me? Watch Discovery HD where all their programming is filmed in HD. Then watch like HBO HD where some movies they present are 20 years old... there is a HUGE difference in image quality. Yes, presenting something in a higher resolution will make an image look better, but there is a VAST difference between it actually being filmed with HD cameras.... Not to mention both blue-ray camps and the hd-dvd camps have both stated they believe it will be a minimum of 3-5 years before this even goes mainstream (meaning when hd-dvd's outsell dvd's). Hell, look how long it took dvd's to achieve that over VHS.



You've got it all wrong. Those HBO HD movies are presumably running the same old transfers. Film has more resolution than standard DVD's can show. What most studios have been doing for the past few years, on catalogue titles and new releases both, is create a high definition digital master for home video. This transfer is then downgraded and compressed to fit on DVD's.

Film is and always was the highest resolution format available. Even HD digital like in the Star Wars prequels and Once Upon a Time in Mexico is still not capable of as high a resolution as film stock. They're working on it, and I'm sure it will be as good in a few years, but not right now.

Some older films will never look much better, but that's because the negative was lost or damaged over the years.

Anyway, it's no big deal to me, as I don't own a HD TV and am not likely to for some time. Just wanted to clear some misconceptions up.

[Twin]

Joe3DR said:

That depends on whether or not they spell them right and use real words instead of just letters. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/eek.gif




yeah, before i posted i was actually trying to figure out what subject to write without using all the space then i just thought 'ah forget it i'll just use letters instead' http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[X-Vector]

Moving up to a high-definition source is only useful if you've got a viewing display of comparable quality and sufficient size to go with it.
My Loewe 32" CRT television is very nice, but I don't see HD making much of a difference unless I upgrade to something bigger and better.
I'd love to have me one of these (http://www.ultimateavmag.com/videoprojectors/504sony/), but I'm afraid money and space are a bit too tight for that at the moment.

[Gatinater]

My neighbor stil hasn't replaced his old Beta format movies.

[Jokke_r]

won't see a remarkable difference in quality if you don't own a large HDTV.

[dudetheman19]

Nope, sure wont!

[crunchy superman]

No.

[Piano Man]

When I have a large Cinema Room, with a large High Definition Projector and a large screen to view it, I WILL be rebuying in High Definition...

I have a HDTV card and I have watched some movies in High Definition and my GOD it is sweet. THe Quality is unsurpassed by anything, and once you get High Definition, you won't need to go to the movies again.

I can't wait till all cinemas go digital instead of this 35mm film. That will be brilliant and will allow movies to come out on DVD or HD sooner than they are these days.

[Phait]

Piano Man said:
I can't wait till all cinemas go digital instead of this 35mm film. That will be brilliant and will allow movies to come out on DVD or HD sooner than they are these days.



Hell no. That has the potential to bring in all sorts of anomalies, although they would be more present if the movie was shot digital and not cleaned up in post production...

[Piano Man]

Anomolies??? What do you mean by anomolies... what's an anomolie??? You mean marks, on the recorded film, and stuff like that??? Pixelation???

[Phait]

Piano Man said:
Anomolies??? What do you mean by anomolies... what's an anomolie??? You mean marks, on the recorded film, and stuff like that??? Pixelation???



http://www.adamwilt.com/pix-sampling.html

Digital tends to be sharp, too sharp. You can correct it, however. But with digital you tend to get jaggy edges and if it's too sharp you'll see a highlights along edges that are too sharp. You could also have frame dropouts too, resulting in jarring misplaced sections of the frame(s). You can see this sometimes on satellite TV or digital cable, but it's kinda rare.

It may or may not be an issue with digital projection but I think the risk of introducing such anomalies is there. I think these things are more likely to be noticed in poorly produced/fixed, digitally-shot movies (I haven't seen it but "28 Days Later" was shot with DV cameras, and I've read they went for a more realistic/sharp look intentionally) -- than in 35mm film. Film has a softness to it, and a grain.

I'd hate to see a digital projection setup messing with something good (film). I also don't think cinemas running digital projection systems will make consumer media come out any sooner. I cannot imagine any modern day film not being put through computer post-production - or being "on file" or stored on a computer -- ready for DVD/HD.

[The Dukenator]

When hell freezes over, I'll rebuy my DVDs in HD.

[LeadBullet]

I doubt people like George Lucas and others that started going digital are doing it sitting in a directors chair holding little handheld $300 digital video cameras and then editing them on a shitty iMac.

Nice sharp detail is the whole idea of what high resolution images are and what they want. If they don't want a shot to be really sharp then they can just adjust shoot it very slightly out of focus or do something post process. The example in that webpage that was linked just looks like it was done with a crappy camera that can't handle bright light and hot colors.

I've also read before that with film, black tends to bleed and make night shots sometimes look worse. That shooting with digital cameras can make night scenes come out better.

As for rebuying movies in HD. It would all depend on which movie it was and if it would really matter to me. If it was a movie I really liked, and it happened to be some kind of action, movie or anything with good visuals then it might be worth it. I don't get why everyone acts like its some sort of scam though. It was pretty obvious in the beginning that DVDs weren't shit like 1900 pixels wide.

[Paroxysm]

LeadBullet said:
I doubt people like George Lucas and others that started going digital are doing it sitting in a directors chair holding little handheld $300 digital video cameras and then editing them on a shitty iMac.



You'd be suprised at how many problems can occur with digital cameras still. My friend who is a professional camera opperator and was invited to come to a little training with some of the cameras on the last star wars film. They picks a scene then the DOP taking everyone through lit the room for "shooting with digital"... later they went and watched the footage on a digital projector... looked absouletly horrible. When they asked why they were told "Oh. ummm. we don't know. It just messes up sometimes."

So their cameras and opperators aren't THAT good :P

[Phait]

My point isn't that it'll be a guaranteed quality ****over if you go digital projection, but that basically shit could happen from the conversion.

[Tetsuro]

Personally, the shift from DVD to HD is not even nearly as drastic as some people say, comparing it to the shift from VHS to DVD. I'd rather compare it to the shift from Laserdisc to DVD.

[IwantMORE]

No, insetad I am not buying DVD's and waiting for HD. Then I will get some of the movies I want.

I don't have many movies anyway, but I know a lot of people who do, so I generally just borrow them and watch them.

There are a few DVD's I might buy but I'm hoping that some of the TV series will come out on less discs like the Simpsons, Futuarama and 24 If I could get the whole series on one or two discs then I'm sold.

Not that bothered about better quality I just want more on one disc so I have less shelf space taken up by movies.

[Taril]

No, since I wont have an HD tv, or player anytime soon, nor do I really want one..

[Joe Siegler]

The Dukenator said:
When hell freezes over, I'll rebuy my DVDs in HD.



Oh please. Extreme remarks like this can safely be ignored, as we know everyone will rebuy SOMETHING in HD.

[Tetsuro]

But answering the original question, probably not. Way too much money, plus no equipment that would benefit from it anyway. At least yet.

[Eddy Willson]

Joe3DR said:
Oh please. Extreme remarks like this can safely be ignored, as we know everyone will rebuy SOMETHING in HD.



…If we can afford to.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Well the only movies I may repurchase are those that would stand to benefit from the change over.

For instance We Were Soldiers or the X-men movies.... but not a movie like Snatch or Good Will Hunting

[Dave-ros]

Eddy Willson said:

Joe3DR said:
Oh please. Extreme remarks like this can safely be ignored, as we know everyone will rebuy SOMETHING in HD.



…If we can afford to.


...And if we can afford the equipment to make it worthwhile (i.e. player and HD-TV to watch it on).

Judging from previous evidence, I'll get into HD when it's a year from being made obsolete by the next big thing, although God knows what that'll be... another form of CD/DVD/HD with even more on it? Or will they try a different approach, like bringing back vinyl http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[Gatinater]

Maybe orgy porn. So that way we can see all of the action going on in the backround.

[Thewho]

Hell yes!

But my wallet says no. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif Probably not at least for a couple of years, until HD tv sales gain critical mass and prices fall significantly.

[phishhead7383]

I have a 52" samsung dlp hdtv but that doesn't mean I'm going to jump onto the next band wagon and buy up all the next gen stuff I can find. Until I see proof that this format is amazingly superior to dvd I'm not buying. Yes, I have HD programming and while it is awesome I'm not willing to throw down obscene amount of money on changing formats. Not to even mention that right now the cheapest hddvd palyer is like $500. Why not wait a year or so first to see if blue ray will beat out hddvd, and to wait for the prices to come down. It seems like lately every time a new format comes out that's all you can here about (i.e. umd's) however within a couple of months it has evaporated. One of these format's is doomed and I have a feeling it is going to be blue-ray. While yes it will have a built in base of PS3 folks. What no one bothers to mention is that even though a built in console is an advantage the majority of people are not gamers. Regardless if it comes with a next-gen dvd drive or not people are not going to simply plunk down 400+ dollars on it. Especially when the hddvd camp is saying that by christmas the next players will be $300 and below. I think I'll wait it out and take advantage of x-mas sales. I figure by then one of the camps is going to be willing to drop prices in order to attract a customer base. Even then I will probably only buy new release titles (unfortunately actually GOOD new releases are probably going to be few and far between)

[Gatinater]

I don't really like Tv or movies that much. To me getting an HDTV and HD media would be as useless to me as replacing all of my silverware with gold plated ivory handled utencils.

Or replacing my door knobs with a floor mounted lever or palm print reader so when I engage the devices the door makes loud mechanical noises. " EEHHH CLANG BZZZZ FABWOOOSH" while it opens. Then says "Access granted" with a Command & Conquer like EVA voice.

Or replacing my gas peddle with a foot or shoe print and replace the mags with spinners. Sure it may look cool to someone else, but I just don't care.

[John]

Gatinater said:
Or replacing my door knobs with a floor mounted lever or palm print reader so when I engage the devices the door makes loud mechanical noises. " EEHHH CLANG BZZZZ FABWOOOSH" while it opens. Then says "Access granted" with a Command & Conquer like EVA voice.




That would be awesome. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/love.gif

[Kevin9er]

Count me in then as the only one to say yes.
My screen is 9ft by 5ft, and DVD looks very blocky at that size. HD clips downloaded from Apple look ***** amazing. When you leave your TV behind and get with the century, you will realize that DVD doesn't cut it anymore for visual-effects movies.

You complain about cost but by 2008 the Playstaion 3 will probably be down to about $200, and by then there will be all kinds of movies out.

Movies to be released on BluRay will be specially tweaked to perfection, far better than anything you could see on broadcast or satellite HDTV.

The bitrate of BluRay movies is somewhere from 18 to 50 Megabits, which blows the shit out of current HDTV. We have absolutly no idea how unbelevable next-gen movie disks will look. If you think HDTV is good now, try essentially doubling the detail of that. (Using 1080p on PS3 with no compression artifacts compaired to 1080i blocky-as-a-shitty-jpeg HDTV)

Example: The Star Wars original trilogy took so long to come out not only because Lucas felt like being a dick, and timing it to hype Episode 3. It actually took that long for his engineers to go through every frame of the movies and clean it up and recalibrate the colors and everything. I read an article about a company that is doing the same thing for several of the oldschool Bond movies to be released on BluRay. It will be redunkulous.

Also, throw in 24 channel uncompressed high bitrate audio, Java based user interface, the capacity to hold about 24 hours of DVD quality material (Hello TV box-sets!) and backwards compatability with your existing DVD collections, and there is pretty much no reason not to get a PS3 for movie and TV playback alone. (All matters of PS3 vs X360 vs whatever as game consoles notwithstanding)

DVD material can also be greatly enhanced. CELL is practically designed for extreme streaming data processing, and PS3 runs Linux, so imagine someone making something like FFDshow video processing to upscale your DVDs to 1080p, with a WinDVD7 style frame doubler, and all kinds of nifty sharpness and artifact filters, and you will wonder what the hell you were doing watching DVDs on a NTSC TV with composite output.

HDTVs are not expensive. I saw a 720p LCD around 30 inches for $600 a while ago. That already blows nearly every NTSC TV out of the water.
If you don't want to pay what in 2008 will be about a $700 to not be left behind like black and white TV owners were then be my guest, of course the point of watching movies is to get engrossed in the plot and character and those lovely black bars on the top and bottom (Or watch a fullscreen DVD and lose 30-50% of the film) but the point I'm trying to make is that this has paralells with the gaming biz these days. There isn't much of a reason to go and get new graphics cards all the time to play new games. Oblivion could probably have been made with the Morrowind Engine, or hell, the Quake engine, but so much of the gaming experience that it has now is the result of its superduper engine. You can watch a movie that was intended for an 80ft screen in high resolution on a 2ft TV if you want, but you are watching TV. You are not watching cinema.

[Paroxysm]

I think by the time HD tech is standard we'll be over physical media anyway.
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[Gatinater]

Well Yeah, but for those of us who still have a 19" TV and don't care to have one much bigger and don't pay attention through half of the movie anyway because we are zoned out do not care for HD.

And that is most of the world. But they will have a method of forcing it on us. Like they did with everything else, no doubt.

[Kevin9er]

I'm all for zoning out and popcorn flics, but I don't see how they could force anything on us unless they simply stopped making DVDs.