View Full Version : My 360 is starting to piss me off... alot
Phayzon
03-12-2006, 04:24 PM
So the other day my 1month Xbox Live Gold Trial expired. Ok, no biggie, now I just have silver. Well, if only I could make use of it... For some reason it reset the family settings to block Original+360 Live games. Ok, just change it to allowed, right? Wrong. I can set it to allowed.. for like a minute. Every time I set the settings to allow Live games, it resets back to Blocked as soon as I sign back in, wtf? I did this 12 times.
8IronBob
03-12-2006, 04:29 PM
That's Bill Gates getting richer by the minute right there, always "nickel and diming" every little thing to make your experience complete. It's always been a trap since day one, typical Micro$oft for ya... Hehe...
Hudson
03-12-2006, 04:38 PM
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/xbox-three-sixty6.htm
"Xbox Live Silver allows gamers to access most of the features of Xbox Live. The one key feature missing from the free service is the ability to play multiplayer games online.
In order to play in multiplayer matches online, you must upgrade to the subscription service known as Xbox Live Gold. The Gold service has all the functionality of Silver plus the ability to play multiplayer games."
Phayzon
03-12-2006, 04:42 PM
Well, that sucks....
ZuljinRaynor
03-12-2006, 04:45 PM
Wow, that's retarded... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
Mblackwell
03-12-2006, 04:46 PM
What the hell is the point of the "free" service if you can't even use it for anything... what a gip.
Hudson
03-12-2006, 04:48 PM
Yeah, you have to love how Microsoft completely fails to mention that while trying to pimp their console.
That's completely messed up. Totally defeats the purpose of Xbox Live.
Gryph
03-12-2006, 04:52 PM
To get patches, demos and, use the Live! Arcade. Atleast they have a free version now.
8IronBob
03-12-2006, 04:52 PM
8IronBob said:
That's Bill Gates getting richer by the minute right there, always "nickel and diming" every little thing to make your experience complete. It's always been a trap since day one, typical Micro$oft for ya... Hehe...
Just as I explained earlier, you only get what you pay for the first time. Knowing Bill Gates, if you can't pay your own way, you won't expect to get as much as you were promised.
As far as I understood, Xbox Live was started as an online multiplayer service, and if I'm not mistaken, that's the meat and potatoes of the service. It doesn't make sense to not allow the main course of the service for free but allow the toppings for everyone.
Sorry for the food analogy, I'm hungry. ;P
Phayzon
03-12-2006, 05:00 PM
If anything it should be the other way around,free XB Live games, but need gold for all the other stuff (I got my Geometry Wars, im dont w/ Live Arcade).
Bill gates can clean his arss after poopoo with dollars if he wants. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
Why still sucking money out of the poor pleb? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
ZuljinRaynor
03-12-2006, 05:22 PM
Erm, doesn't he donate lots of money?
PlayfulPuppy
03-12-2006, 05:51 PM
Odin said:
That's completely messed up. Totally defeats the purpose of Xbox Live.
... but the original XBox Live wasn't free! Why is this suddenly a problem NOW?
Although it's good that there's now a free version so you can download patches and new levels.
Dr. Kill
03-12-2006, 05:57 PM
Send it in to Microsoft. I've had no problems with mine.
Paroxysm
03-12-2006, 06:05 PM
ummm why the hell would it be free? It never was before. Honestly get over it.
Decker
03-12-2006, 06:10 PM
It's just a naming convention to let you know you're getting some online functions for free.
As I understand, you couldn't do anything at all online with the original Xbox unless you paid the full Live fee, right? So things are better now in that sense.
However, you'll do better just thinking it this way: Xbox live gold = Xbox live http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Btw. Free Xbox Live Gold weekend starts April 1st. (http://news.teamxbox.com/xbox/10314/Free-Xbox-Live-Gold-Weekend-Starts-April-1st/)
shiranui
03-12-2006, 06:57 PM
Phayzon said:
So the other day my 1month Xbox Live Gold Trial expired. Ok, no biggie, now I just have silver. Well, if only I could make use of it... For some reason it reset the family settings to block Original+360 Live games. Ok, just change it to allowed, right? Wrong. I can set it to allowed.. for like a minute. Every time I set the settings to allow Live games, it resets back to Blocked as soon as I sign back in, wtf? I did this 12 times.
You vegetable.....
What did you think the difference between paid Gold and free Silver was, just the name?
laffer
03-12-2006, 06:59 PM
Kinda sucks to have to pay to play online though.. normal Xbox or not.
Mountain Man
03-12-2006, 07:08 PM
Mblackwell said:
What the hell is the point of the "free" service if you can't even use it for anything... what a gip.
The point is to entice consumers to sign up for the pay service. I would have thought that was obvious.
Phayzon
03-12-2006, 07:36 PM
shiranui said:
You vegetable.....
What did you think the difference between paid Gold and free Silver was, just the name?
Everything it says on Xbox.com. It doesnt clearly state that Sliver is nearly useless.
Paroxysm
03-12-2006, 08:16 PM
You know when cable first came out in Aus they came around and installe dit for free for a few months but then they cut it off and wanted me to pay! OUTRAGEOUS I SAY! Also when I encouraged 8 years olds to come play "touch my tooter" the police dissapproved! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT SUCH A THING!
I would have posted that humourlarious "master of the obvious" picture when you said it was wrong that microsoft want you to pay for their service but I am too retarded to use google to find it and frankly the pictures meaning illudes me anyway.
Paroxysm said:
but I am too retarded
Context or no context, that phrase is true.
8IronBob
03-12-2006, 08:43 PM
John said:
Paroxysm said:
but I am too retarded
Context or no context, that phrase is true.
Let's not start anything now, come on...
I do admit, tho, different tiers of XBox Live can mean one thing, but it's all about the package that you choose when you buy it from the store. The Core package is the Silver membership. However, if you spend the extra $100, that'll get you the Platinum, which I believe is the Gold Membership, that's probably what it is...
Scream
03-12-2006, 08:49 PM
Phayzon said:
shiranui said:
You vegetable.....
What did you think the difference between paid Gold and free Silver was, just the name?
Everything it says on Xbox.com. It doesnt clearly state that Sliver is nearly useless.
How is it nearly useless? I've had mine for a couple of weeks, transferred my GOLD membership from the original Xbox, and have used the Live service a ton even though I've only played about a half hour of multiplayer online. I've done a half dozen demo downloads (which has lead to several hours of free gaming time), downloaded level packs for Halo 2, and downloaded various trailers for movies and games. All of that stuff is free now. As several sensible people here have pointed out, NOTHING was free before. Now you can do all that stuff at no cost.
If you want to play multiplayer games, that's when you have to pay, just like you did before. Amazing how people can turn the fact that something has been improved for the consumer into something negative.
Even if Silver WAS useless (which it's not), how much did you pay for it? Oh, nothing? I see. And you're complaining because...?
Maybe because of the way XBox Live! was advertised as being the new revolutionary-type feature for the X360. (Paying to play the games you already bought always looks bad. But I guess it's the "service" you are paying for, right?) Ofcourse like you said, it was never free. Can't argue that; I'm just gonna stick with my free PC gaming, thanks. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
phishhead7383
03-12-2006, 09:31 PM
xbox live silver is in my opinion one of the best new features of the 360... I have already downloaded about 1/2 a dozen FREE demo's from it. Games that I would have had to rent (pay money) to try out. Not to mention the fact that I can dowload video's for FREE, download trial versions of xbox arcade games for free, download patches for games for free.... I don't have live gold because I really am not interested at all in playing games online. So, the addition of an actual useful online component for the xbox was in my opinion a very good way to go for microsoft. xbox live silver does nothing but BENEFIT the consumer. It doesn't detract from the 360 at all. I really can't understand your argument. It would make sense for you to be upset if gold was free on the original xbox. But seeing as how the pricing structure is actually the same as on the original I don't understand what the problem is.
However, if you want a free online multiplayer console then just wait for the revolution, because even when sony introduces their online service it will be subscription based as well. Only nintendo is going to offer free online multiplayer.
Mountain Man
03-12-2006, 10:19 PM
Scream said:
Amazing how people can turn the fact that something has been improved for the consumer into something negative.
I think his primary complaint is the nice little "gotcha" of not being able to play multiplayer once the free trial runs out. I can understand why this might piss someone off.
phishhead7383 said:
xbox live silver is in my opinion one of the best new features of the 360... I have already downloaded about 1/2 a dozen FREE demo's from it. Games that I would have had to rent (pay money) to try out. Not to mention the fact that I can dowload video's for FREE, download trial versions of xbox arcade games for free, download patches for games for free.... I don't have live gold because I really am not interested at all in playing games online. So, the addition of an actual useful online component for the xbox was in my opinion a very good way to go for microsoft. xbox live silver does nothing but BENEFIT the consumer. It doesn't detract from the 360 at all. I really can't understand your argument. It would make sense for you to be upset if gold was free on the original xbox. But seeing as how the pricing structure is actually the same as on the original I don't understand what the problem is.
Hmmm, so you dont have to pay money to play demos/trials, download patches and watch previews? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Well that's good.
phishhead7383
03-13-2006, 12:44 AM
I think his primary complaint is the nice little "gotcha" of not being able to play multiplayer once the free trial runs out. I can understand why this might piss someone off.
It's not like it's all of a sudden... xbox live will have messages that come up to tell you your TRIAL gold subscription has "X" amount of days left. how do I know this? because I also received 1 month free when I got my 360.
consonant
03-13-2006, 12:55 AM
Mountain Man said:
Scream said:
Amazing how people can turn the fact that something has been improved for the consumer into something negative.
I think his primary complaint is the nice little "gotcha" of not being able to play multiplayer once the free trial runs out. I can understand why this might piss someone off.
Yeah, since when other trials for anything anywhere around the world run out you can continue using the full product for free. The trial period is there to give you a chance to uninstall the product before you have to use it for free the rest of your life! http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif wait that doesn't sound right.
phishhead7383
03-13-2006, 12:57 AM
Yeah, since when other trials for anything anywhere around the world run out you can continue using the full product for free. The trial period is there to give you a chance to uninstall the product before you have to use it for free the rest of your life! wait that doesn't sound right.
I'm sorry but that made no sense at all.
Hudson
03-13-2006, 12:57 AM
John said:
Hmmm, so you dont have to pay money to play demos/trials, download patches and watch previews? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Well that's good.
Personally I think console games shouldn't need patches in the first place.
phishhead7383
03-13-2006, 01:00 AM
Personally I think console games shouldn't need patches in the first place.
Well, the more and more complex games get, the more and more likely it is there will be some sort of error in the code. Thus far it is only 2 titles by the way that have been patched "Call of Duty 2" and "Dead or Alive 4". I have Call of Duty 2 and played through the entire thing before they patched it and didn't notice anything that was wrong. So I honestly have no idea what the purpose of that patch was.
consonant
03-13-2006, 01:04 AM
phishhead7383 said:
I'm sorry but that made no sense at all.
It was sarcasm. Since every software trial model allows you to try out a product in one way or another and then when it expires you won't be able to use it with full functionality or at all anymore.
Why should this be different?
Phayzon said:
Everything it says on Xbox.com. It doesnt clearly state that Sliver is nearly useless.
Xbox.com (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/memberships/) clearly states the differences between gold and silver. Maybe you misunderstood the MMO part which is understandbly "free" on silver since it probably doesn't run on live but rather on that companies MMO server?
Mblackwell
03-13-2006, 04:10 AM
phishhead7383 said:
Personally I think console games shouldn't need patches in the first place.
Well, the more and more complex games get, the more and more likely it is there will be some sort of error in the code. Thus far it is only 2 titles by the way that have been patched "Call of Duty 2" and "Dead or Alive 4". I have Call of Duty 2 and played through the entire thing before they patched it and didn't notice anything that was wrong. So I honestly have no idea what the purpose of that patch was.
Honestly that's a bit of a fib. With extensive testing and proper development you can get most important bugs gone. Fact of the matter is that they often release games before this is finished in order to simply get them out the door. That's the trick, get them out the door on time and just release a patch a few weeks later. No big deal right?
Blah.
Amazing btw how Nintendo's FREE service already has over a million unique users. People must really like that whole "free" thing. Honestly the "Silver" service really just ends up being so much bloatware for how useful it is. Now if they allowed you to say, play the games online but not download updates and such, then that would be more compelling.
Paroxysm
03-13-2006, 04:59 AM
Mblackwell said:
Amazing btw how Nintendo's FREE service already has over a million unique users. People must really like that whole "free" thing.
How are those oranges? I hear they make an awful apple pie.
Thriller
03-13-2006, 05:33 AM
I realize the dissapointment if you thought online play was available, but IŽd say the silver version is really good on its own.
I was at a friends house a week ago, playing some 360. And since I havent played much consoles lately, I was suprised when suddenly "updating game" or whatever it said popped up, so I asked him what it was. "Well, obviously the game was patched. It updates whenever a new patch is available". Cool I thought, and asked what he paid per month for Xbox live. "Pay? No, no, I have the free version".
http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/icons/thumbsup.gif Stop complaining guys. I thought it was a big step forward for the console.
Mountain Man
03-13-2006, 06:16 AM
phishhead7383 said:
I think his primary complaint is the nice little "gotcha" of not being able to play multiplayer once the free trial runs out. I can understand why this might piss someone off.
It's not like it's all of a sudden... xbox live will have messages that come up to tell you your TRIAL gold subscription has "X" amount of days left. how do I know this? because I also received 1 month free when I got my 360.
...coupled with the fact that the exact limitations of silver apparently weren't adequately conveyed by Microsoft. I'm not saying this is necessarily the case. I'm just trying to understand the OP's point.
Duoae
03-13-2006, 07:47 AM
Thriller said:
I realize the dissapointment if you thought online play was available, but IŽd say the silver version is really good on its own.
I was at a friends house a week ago, playing some 360. And since I havent played much consoles lately, I was suprised when suddenly "updating game" or whatever it said popped up, so I asked him what it was. "Well, obviously the game was patched. It updates whenever a new patch is available". Cool I thought, and asked what he paid per month for Xbox live. "Pay? No, no, I have the free version".
Stop complaining guys. I thought it was a big step forward for the console.
The fact that console games shouldn't need to be patched is lost on you? Having patches for games is a step backwards as far as i'm concerned. This is one of the crappiest parts of online connectivity - the ability to rush out unfinished games and then, if it sells well enough you can decide to support a patch... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Duoae said:
Having patches for games is a step backwards as far as i'm concerned. This is one of the crappiest parts of online connectivity - the ability to rush out unfinished games and then, if it sells well enough you can decide to support a patch... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
i agree...although it is nice to have downloadable extra's for games...but the patches are stupid...
the only game on my 360 that seems to be bug free was kameo...condemed just took the pee as far as bugs go, my save games kept getting currupt and i had to start the game from the biggenning on some points http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
and yeah, seeing as how games can be patched over live now does result in rushed unfinished games because it's like 'ah we'll just patch it later'
Duoae
03-13-2006, 08:14 AM
Twin said:
i agree...although it is nice to have downloadable extra's for games...but the patches are stupid...
the only game on my 360 that seems to be bug free was kameo...condemed just took the pee as far as bugs go, my save games kept getting currupt and i had to start the game from the biggenning on some points http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/mad.gif
and yeah, seeing as how games can be patched over live now does result in rushed unfinished games because it's like 'ah we'll just patch it later'
Happy birthday btw. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Oh and just to add to the misery, there are plenty experiences of patches making savegames no longer compatible with the new build... i wonder if we'll start seeing this on the 360 too...
phishhead7383
03-13-2006, 09:59 AM
With extensive testing and proper development you can get most important bugs gone
I wonder if prey will wind up needing to be patched?
Thriller
03-13-2006, 12:05 PM
Duoae said:
Thriller said:
I realize the dissapointment if you thought online play was available, but IŽd say the silver version is really good on its own.
I was at a friends house a week ago, playing some 360. And since I havent played much consoles lately, I was suprised when suddenly "updating game" or whatever it said popped up, so I asked him what it was. "Well, obviously the game was patched. It updates whenever a new patch is available". Cool I thought, and asked what he paid per month for Xbox live. "Pay? No, no, I have the free version".
Stop complaining guys. I thought it was a big step forward for the console.
The fact that console games shouldn't need to be patched is lost on you? Having patches for games is a step backwards as far as i'm concerned. This is one of the crappiest parts of online connectivity - the ability to rush out unfinished games and then, if it sells well enough you can decide to support a patch... http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
Well, I agree to an extent. It becomes easier to rush out a projekt and release a patch later, yes.
However, first of all console games didnt use to be as complex to create as they are today. Not only gameplay wise, but now alot of developers try to make almost simultanous released ports for extremely different platforms. I dont think severe bugs would be all too rare anyway.
Second, not all patches are tech related. Sometimes a game is unbalanced and you dont really notice it until a few months after release. You cant hold a game another 6 months just to make sure that its balanced even when youŽve played it long enough.
As a side note I might add that IŽve never seen a really buggy console game, even though they have the ability to patch it know. Or am I missing something? http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
So, while I see your point, I dont agree that patches are evil.
ZuljinRaynor said:
Erm, doesn't he donate lots of money?
Yeah but still, us PC users only pay our ISP and we can play, surf pron, dl pron, all of that without paying additional services. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/redface.gif
seregrail7
03-13-2006, 12:26 PM
Sorry, no. I can understand patching a PC game because of compatibility issues, there are loads of different combinations. But there's only one for aa XBox game.
Thriller
03-13-2006, 12:51 PM
How about for an Xbox/PS3/Revolution/(PC) game?
seregrail7
03-13-2006, 12:53 PM
No. If they're porting a game, they should be still be able to port it so it works on the hardware correctly.
phishhead7383
03-13-2006, 01:09 PM
Doom 3 Patch for PC (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=469881&sid=6109141&mode=)
Quake 4 Patch for PC (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=531883&sid=6139922&mode=)
F.E.A.R. Patch for PC (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=920744&sid=6144409&mode=)
Civilization 4 Patch for PC (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=919352&sid=6140442&mode=)
Now, all of these patches are for PC games. And almost every change made by these patches are not because of vast amounts of different hardware, but because the developer saw that certain things needed to be re-worked. I don't really understand how making a game BETTER by patching it is a bad thing even if it is on a console or pc.
Mountain Man
03-13-2006, 01:21 PM
People are afraid of the console market acquiring the "ship it now, patch it later" mentality that has infected PC game development to some extent.
Duoae
03-13-2006, 01:22 PM
phishhead7383 said:
Doom 3 Patch for PC (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=469881&sid=6109141&mode=)
Quake 4 Patch for PC (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=531883&sid=6139922&mode=)
F.E.A.R. Patch for PC (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=920744&sid=6144409&mode=)
Civilization 4 Patch for PC (http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=919352&sid=6140442&mode=)
Now, all of these patches are for PC games. And almost every change made by these patches are not because of vast amounts of different hardware, but because the developer saw that certain things needed to be re-worked. I don't really understand how making a game BETTER by patching it is a bad thing even if it is on a console or pc.
Because not everyone has internet connection... and especially where consoles are concerned - not every console is hooked up to the internet. It may be different in the US, but i know in this country it's certainly not like that...
Plus, for the people talking about ports, the company making the game rarely ports the game to the other platform. Believe it or not, but quake 4 was ported to 360 by a UK dev team that specialises in porting.
What we're talking about here is another tiered service - on top of whether you have a HDD or not since i doubt you could download and save patches to a 360 without a HDD...
Phayzon
03-13-2006, 01:36 PM
Mountain Man said:
phishhead7383 said:
I think his primary complaint is the nice little "gotcha" of not being able to play multiplayer once the free trial runs out. I can understand why this might piss someone off.
It's not like it's all of a sudden... xbox live will have messages that come up to tell you your TRIAL gold subscription has "X" amount of days left. how do I know this? because I also received 1 month free when I got my 360.
...coupled with the fact that the exact limitations of silver apparently weren't adequately conveyed by Microsoft. I'm not saying this is necessarily the case. I'm just trying to understand the OP's point.
Thank you, Mountain Man. At least somebody gets my point.
seregrail7
03-13-2006, 02:23 PM
phishhead7383 said:
Now, all of these patches are for PC games. And almost every change made by these patches are not because of vast amounts of different hardware, but because the developer saw that certain things needed to be re-worked. I don't really understand how making a game BETTER by patching it is a bad thing even if it is on a console or pc.
To clarify, games should not need to be patched. I understand fixing bizare issues caused with certain hardware set ups, a problem not present on consoles. That's my point. Console games used to be free from the idea of releasing the game and having a patch ready by the launch day.
Thriller
03-13-2006, 02:32 PM
seregrail7 said:
No. If they're porting a game, they should be still be able to port it so it works on the hardware correctly.
Well, yeah. But on the same subject, they should be able to make good games as well, and, you know..
Thriller said:
seregrail7 said:
No. If they're porting a game, they should be still be able to port it so it works on the hardware correctly.
Well, yeah. But on the same subject, they should be able to make good games as well, and, you know..
And sometimes that happens, and a patch isn't needed because the company felt like actually fixing the bugs they ran into.
But which service costs more for Microsoft in the end? Multiplayer (which is the better deal IMO.) or giving away patches/free downloads/video? If it were the other way around wouldn't you think people would see it as more reasonable? The multiplayer function just adds to the reason why a person buys that game in the first place, so why would they have to pay extra to play this game they already payed for?
consonant
03-13-2006, 05:07 PM
seregrail7 said:
To clarify, games should not need to be patched.
Programmers are humans too, you know http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif. And as humans they are not only error prone they are also bound by time. Something can be said for the increasing complexity of games resulting in errors.
Kristian Joensen
03-13-2006, 05:10 PM
Yes, programmers are not evil or perfect two very common misconceptions. Beyond a certain treshold of complexity it is virtually impossible to make bug free software.
The Puppet Master
03-13-2006, 09:15 PM
Why not just wait for the Free Gold Weekend (http://www.gamespot.com/xbox360/driving/projectgothamracing3/news.html?sid=6145737) ?
phishhead7383
03-13-2006, 10:35 PM
my point is that everyone is screaming about how 360 is now allowing games to be patched when I would be willing to bet that if every other console had this ability ALOT of developers would be utilizing it. It's rarely about games being rushed (even though that definitely happens) it's about the design studio realizing certain things need to be fixed. Doom 3 has had like 4 or 5 different patches and that game took 4 yrs. to make. I wouldn't exactly call that game rushed... I am also willing to bet that when sony introduces their online service for the PS3 this will also be available.
I am still of the firm belief that anything that makes a game BETTER is not a bad thing, and usually patches tend to make a game better.
phishhead7383
03-13-2006, 10:40 PM
John said:
The multiplayer function just adds to the reason why a person buys that game in the first place, so why would they have to pay extra to play this game they already payed for?
That's also a good question for blizzard, lucas arts, and whoever made the matrix online game.
Mblackwell
03-13-2006, 11:29 PM
Um... you don't have to pay to play most Blizzard games online.
LeadBullet
03-14-2006, 01:34 AM
Heres what the MS site says:
Silver
Create your gamer profile
Create and maintain a friends list
Access Xbox Live Marketplace including Xbox Live Arcade, demos, and trailers
Send and receive text and voice messages
Join in special Xbox Live Gold trial opportunities
That doesn't seem like that bad of a deal for being free.
So is this like MMORPG threads where people focus their frustrations of not having a job onto games? $8 in a month is like just eating ramen instead of stuffing your fat greasy face with McDonalds 2 times in a month. http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif
avatar_58
03-14-2006, 01:38 AM
LeadBullet said:
So is this like MMORPG threads where people focus their frustrations of not having a job onto games?
Of course, because the whole reason we get jobs is to pour our money into games. Can't be anything else worth spending money on......
LeadBullet
03-14-2006, 02:02 AM
You forgot my wonderful example of fat greasy faces though.
$8 in a month is such a negligible amount of money that it can easily be made up by a couple minor exceptions to what you'd normally do should you be in a situation where you really want it but are so short on cash that coming up with an extra $8 is hard.
If you can't make up an expense of $8 in 30 days then how the hell did you get the XBox 360 and the $50 game you want to play online in the first place?
Its like people these days think they're owed everything that they want to the point that they expect businesses to be charities and give everything away for free.
Duoae
03-14-2006, 05:45 AM
phishhead7383 said:
my point is that everyone is screaming about how 360 is now allowing games to be patched when I would be willing to bet that if every other console had this ability ALOT of developers would be utilizing it. It's rarely about games being rushed (even though that definitely happens) it's about the design studio realizing certain things need to be fixed. Doom 3 has had like 4 or 5 different patches and that game took 4 yrs. to make. I wouldn't exactly call that game rushed... I am also willing to bet that when sony introduces their online service for the PS3 this will also be available.
I am still of the firm belief that anything that makes a game BETTER is not a bad thing, and usually patches tend to make a game better.
But the fact of the matter is that because the ability to patch the game exists (only for people with a HDD) at all, means that there is MORE temptation by publishers etc to release a game in a sub-par state. The older consoles benefitted from the fact that the games couldn't be updated and therefore had to be as perfect as possible.
I don't expect games to be bug free, no software is, but i expect a certain level of quality of a game.... and lets face it, because of downloadable media, PC games tend not to have it......
phishhead7383
03-14-2006, 07:21 AM
well, if you have played any of the 360 games thus far you would know they are far from sub-par. They are by far the most polished launch games for any console I have seen. Even the patches released thus far aren't really necessary in my opinion. I didn't download the call of duty 2 patch before I beat the game and it ran perfectly. I understand your point but I don't think it's going to be the stumbling block you're thinking it's going to be.
phishhead7383
03-14-2006, 07:27 AM
LeadBullet said:
You forgot my wonderful example of fat greasy faces though.
$8 in a month is such a negligible amount of money that it can easily be made up by a couple minor exceptions to what you'd normally do should you be in a situation where you really want it but are so short on cash that coming up with an extra $8 is hard.
If you can't make up an expense of $8 in 30 days then how the hell did you get the XBox 360 and the $50 game you want to play online in the first place?
Its like people these days think they're owed everything that they want to the point that they expect businesses to be charities and give everything away for free.
The point I was making is that people are getting pissed because you have to pay to play games on xbox live. Their point of contention is that you just bought the game so you should be able to play the multiplayer part for free cause you can do that with your pc. My rebuttal is that it's the same with MMO's... the company actually had to build the infrastructure to support all these users which is very expensive. Thus the reason for the cost. The people upset also fail to mention it's only 50 dollars for 1 year which is a measly 4 dollars and some change a month for xbox live gold. I think people are upset over nothing.
Orochi Avlis
03-14-2006, 07:28 AM
LeadBullet said:
You forgot my wonderful example of fat greasy faces though.
$8 in a month is such a negligible amount of money that it can easily be made up by a couple minor exceptions to what you'd normally do should you be in a situation where you really want it but are so short on cash that coming up with an extra $8 is hard.
If you can't make up an expense of $8 in 30 days then how the hell did you get the XBox 360 and the $50 game you want to play online in the first place?
Its like people these days think they're owed everything that they want to the point that they expect businesses to be charities and give everything away for free.
My thoughts exactly.
IMO, society is getting very cheap and is wasting their money on the most craptastic things. Then they wonder how come there so little at the end of the month.
phishhead7383 said:
John said:
The multiplayer function just adds to the reason why a person buys that game in the first place, so why would they have to pay extra to play this game they already payed for?
That's also a good question for blizzard, lucas arts, and whoever made the matrix online game.
Warcraft 1, 2 & 3, Diablo 1 & 2 (and expansions), Starcraft (and expansions), and other games are free to play online through battle.net.
(The matrix online game sucks to begin with, so why pay extra for a bad game?)
seregrail7
03-14-2006, 12:50 PM
consonant said:
seregrail7 said:
To clarify, games should not need to be patched.
Programmers are humans too, you know http://forums.3drealms.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif. And as humans they are not only error prone they are also bound by time. Something can be said for the increasing complexity of games resulting in errors.
I program, so I know what you mean.
I don't blame programmers, I blame the greedy publishers rushing them.
8IronBob
03-14-2006, 03:54 PM
That's why I favor the indie game developers over the big guys out there, 3DR being one of the quality producing companies that encourage third-party developers to get it done with quality, as opposed to a deadline. George was right about Take Two having to STFU. Let's hope that works for Prey.
Duoae
03-15-2006, 10:45 AM
phishhead7383 said:
<table><tr><th><font size="-1">Spoiler below:</font></th></tr><tr><td class="spoiler">well, if you have played any of the 360 games thus far you would know they are far from sub-par. They are by far the most polished launch games for any console I have seen. Even the patches released thus far aren't really necessary in my opinion. I didn't download the call of duty 2 patch before I beat the game and it ran perfectly.</td></tr></table> I understand your point but I don't think it's going to be the stumbling block you're thinking it's going to be.
Lets take out that first part of your post because you know it's not what i was saying.
Now, thanks for understanding my point, but i'll have to disagree. Once the ability is there, then so is the temptation... IMO ever more so with the amount of money it's supposed to cost to make these next gen games and considering they're mostly 360 exclusives, as soon as deadlines loom and less is accomplished the monetary returns will look less appealing than a short-term gain from a quick "out the door and lets fix the minor bugs later". There have been plenty of examples this generation of games missing content due to development times cut short. I can see this being more of a problem on a system where the ability to update games exists and the financial gamble is exponentially larger....
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