Intel's next-generation microarchitecture officially named

[Bludd]

Intel Core 2 Duo

The first model to ship will be the Core 2 Extreme in july 2006, an equivalent product, with regards to naming and branding, of the old Pentium Extreme Edition CPUs.

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060507-6771.html

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=2170

[ZuljinRaynor]

Eww, Intel.

[Phayzon]

Seconded

[Bludd]

Eww, Intel.
Oh, if you only realized how stupendously ignorant your comment is. :)

[NutWrench]

Well duh. If Intel names one of its processors as "Extreme" than it HAS to be good. :D

[Bludd]

The thing is that this new microarchitecture IS good. Preliminary numbers show that a lower clocked Core 2 Duo outperformed AMD's top FX-60 CPU by 20% across the board.

If you are interested in technology, you should be excited about this new microarchitecture. AMD's switch to DDR2 with the new socket won't do anything to stop Intel from taking the performance crown.

All this, if the numbers we have seen so far is anything to go by.

[Kristian Joensen]

prelimnary numbers by Intel themselves ?

Also it shouldn't be compared to the FX-60 but to AMD's eventual response.

[g-dog]

Not to mention the price you'll have to shovel out btw...(for new Intel).

[Bludd]

prelimnary numbers by Intel themselves ?

Also it shouldn't be compared to the FX-60 but to AMD's eventual response.
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2716

Take them with a grain of salt, but there is undeniably something impressive coming from Intel.

And why shouldn't they compare it to AMD's flagship CPU? They even overclocked it. Also, if they had compared it to the AM2 refresh of the Athlon64 the results would not have been much different.

Do you have some information about another CPU architecture AMD is planning to release soon to combat Intel's Core 2?

[Bludd]

Not to mention the price you'll have to shovel out btw...(for new Intel).

Dunno how accurate these prices are.
"The high end Conroe (E6700) will retail for about $530 while the next down will go for a mere $316 [..] So for about $209 you will be able to get noticably better performance than an FX-60."

http://www.beyond3d.com/forum/showthread.php?t=30138&page=2

[Kev_Boy]

I am also excited about Conroe, terrible name though... Core 2 Duo. Now that's tough to pronounce, I'll stick to Conroe :)

From what I've heard. Mid-range models will be cheap, fast and energy efficient.

[Phayzon]

Fast: Well ok, Intel still sucks. AMDs are still WAY slower than Intel's top, but they manage to seriously pwn them
Energy Effiecient: When ATi and nVidia start the energy effieciant war, then its something to care about.
cheap: Celeron v2, here we come...

[Wamplet]

I am also excited about Conroe, terrible name though... Core 2 Duo. Now that's tough to pronounce, I'll stick to Conroe :)

From what I've heard. Mid-range models will be cheap, fast and energy efficient.


Hahaha, funny name indeed.

A small town north of us and supposedly a haven for KKK members. :o

[FireFly]

Fast: Well ok, Intel still sucks. AMDs are still WAY slower than Intel's top, but they manage to seriously pwn them
You can't make comparisons like that. The Athlon 64s do more work per clock cycle at the cost of lower operating frequencies, the Pentium 4s do less work per clock cycle but can reach higher frequencies.

However, now with Conroe Intel have part that is able to more work per cycle than AMD's offering, so the tables have turned. No longer are they dependant on super high clock speeds - they can compete with a clock speed deficit.

[Bludd]

Yes, FireFly. That has been the nub of my gist.

Performace = work (per cycle) * frequency

[ZuljinRaynor]

Oh, if you only realized how stupendously ignorant your comment is. :)
Well, Intel is better than PowerPC, my Celeron performed better than the G5s we have at school. And plus, now I hate Intel since AMD is so much cheaper, and better. :D

[Bludd]

Not for much longer. :)

[ZuljinRaynor]

Well, it's just a matter of time until AMD releases a new CPU... using their new sockets.

[Bludd]

Uh, yeah, but they haven't announced anything and designing new architectures takes a lot of time.

If AMD can do this and beat Intel's Core 2, we will be in for some great times. :)

[Wamplet]

Cyrix is where it's at. They are gonna unleash their triple core processor any day. I just know it. :o

[Kristian Joensen]

Uh, yeah, but they haven't announced anything and designing new architectures takes a lot of time.

If AMD can do this and beat Intel's Core 2, we will be in for some great times. :)

They might have been doing this secretly for all we know or not at all. If the margin is only 20% would AMD really need a new microarchitecture to compete with that ? Couldn't they just enhance the current one ?

Also according to Wikipedia: "AMD K8L is a major revision of the AMD64 microarchitecture and hardware platform, and is due late in 2006 or early in 2007."

[avatar_58]

Cyrix is where it's at. They are gonna unleash their triple core processor any day. I just know it. :o

As an old Cyrix owner you just had me giggle a little. :D

[Kristian Joensen]

They might have been doing this secretly for all we know or not at all. If the margin is only 20% would AMD really need a new microarchitecture to compete with that ? Couldn't they just enhance the current one ?

Also according to Wikipedia: "AMD K8L is a major revision of the AMD64 microarchitecture and hardware platform, and is due late in 2006 or early in 2007."

I just realised that they say "AMD64 microarchitecture", I don't know why, perhaps it is a mistake either of those words shouldn't be there.

[Bludd]

No, they have to make a new CPU microarchitecture that issues more instructions per cycle because AMD too is hitting a frequency barrier. I'm sure they are working on something (K9, greyhound whatever) but they haven't announced anything that can be shipped anywhere near Core 2's ship date.

[Phayzon]

"They might have been doing this secretly for all we know or not at all."

@Bludd
Using that line, id like to reply:
Oh really?

[Bludd]

Oh, I'm sure they will have, but at some point they have to announce something. They have a market to cater to after all and this shipping business really takes a while.

See how long it has taken AMD to go to DDR2 and the new socket? It's not trivial at all.

[Phayzon]

Untill now (and not even now really) they still didnt have a good enough reason to switch to DDR2, since DDR400 outperforms it anyway.

[Kevin Wolff]

Well, Intel is better than PowerPC, my Celeron performed better than the G5s we have at school.
Did you actually benchmark them? Because OS X has a tendency to be a bit slow if you just compare clicking around.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

They should just name it Penitum V and ship with a copy of V for Vendetta.

[0marTheZealot]

They should just name it Penitum V and ship with a copy of V for Vendetta.

LOL
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[Bludd]

They should just name it Penitum V and ship with a copy of V for Vendetta.
The Fiveium Five? Very silly name, much worse than Core.

[Nessus]

Hmm what can we name our chip so that no one will get confused with a regular duel core? How about Core 2 Duo! I would say worst name ever but Nintendo still holds that crown. Either way I think it's great and I hope they kick AMD's ass, I have no loyalty I just want the best preforming chip.

[Bludd]

Well, there's some logic behind the name however strange/bad/horrible it is.

Core 2 (second version of Core, see: Pentium 2)
Duo (dual core, there may be a Solo version)

[Phait]

As an old Cyrix owner you just had me giggle a little. :D

Yeah what happened to Cyrix? That was my first PC's CPU.

[Bludd]

National Semiconductor sold most of Cyrix to VIA in 1999.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

The Fiveium Five? Very silly name, much worse than Core.


V is the roman symbol for 5. Where are you getting fiveium?

[Bludd]

V is the roman symbol for 5. Where are you getting fiveium?
penta– or pent–
pref.
Five: pentamerous.

[Greek, from pente, five.]

Pentium followed the 486. Pent means 5. I hope you can see what Intel was thinking.

[Phayzon]

Ok, then why does Fivetium Four make sence? or Fivetium Three or Two?

[Bludd]

Well, it's just silly to add five to something that already is named five.

[Phayzon]

But Pentium 5 flows more nicely then Core 2 Duo (or Solo).

[Bludd]

You're just used to the name Pentium because the brand is over 13 years old.

[XPM]

Cyrix and olivetti owns all....where is my damn 9600 baud modem!


In all seriousness thou...I miss the good old days of the 286-486...everything was so much...fun back then :)

[Kevin Wolff]

where is my damn 9600 baud modem!
Connect a cell phone to your computer and call up an analog dial-up internet number. There's your 9600 baud modem. ;)

[Hudson]

I'll wait for AMD's new chips, thanks :)

[0marTheZealot]

I'll wait for AMD's new chips, thanks :)

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[Hudson]

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What? :confused:

[Bludd]

You have to post at least 5 characters in addition to the quote.

[Hudson]

Oh, I see.

[Phayzon]

I'll wait for AMD's new chips, thanks :)

Thirded

[Nessus]

PC Gamer benchmarked a new Intel system. It encoded a 7.4 Gigabyte dual layer DVD in 12 minutes! It took a Pentium 3.2GHZ system 3 hours to do that. Granted Falcon Northwest overclocked it from 3GHZ to 3.6GHZ but still man that's the biggest speed bump I've seen years. They said this rig was beating the FX-60 by up to 100 FPS in some game tests, pretty amazing. I hope for AMD's sake they have not been asleep at the wheel.

[8IronBob]

Oh believe me, I'd like to think that AMD may have something to become more superior in the long run.

[Phayzon]

^
Yeah, they always do.

[8IronBob]

Hmm, if I were AMD at this point, what type of processor would I do to bring the gaming community to the AMD side again? I'd send undercover spies out to Intel's HQ, and try to outdo them by playing their own game... Maybe that's one reason why they sued each other, because of spying on each other's products. Man, am I ever getting curious on this one.

[Phayzon]

Im betting it proper use of AM2. Only AM2 CPUs out now are beefed up/clones of 939 cpus.

[Bludd]

My loyalties lie with the best performance. Who cares about the vendor?

[Phayzon]

Me.

Intel is too much of a monopoly (But I like MS, go figure. Maybe its because their stuff works exceptionally well [insert omg windowzzzzzzz sux joke here]?)

[8IronBob]

Yeah, I've been too much involved with MS myself, that's why I decided to dual boot that with SuSE. ATM, if it were legal, I'd consider going with a "Neopolitan" hard drive, meaning all three OS flavors in Mac OS X, Win XP (maybe Vista), and SuSE Linux. That's only considering that my desktop is 250 GB, so that may be between 80 - 85 GB partitions for each one. Go figure on THAT one... Also, a CPU would almost go ka-blooie if you were to have both AMD AND Intel under the hood... Think about that for a minute. Same with having an ATI and nVidia card under the hood, too. There you have it.

[Kevin Wolff]

Me.

Intel is too much of a monopoly (But I like MS, go figure. Maybe its because their stuff works exceptionally well [insert omg windowzzzzzzz sux joke here]?)
Using Microsoft as the standard, Intel is not a monopoly. Their market share has never been above 85%, and is currently 80% at best, probably lower. In terms of current sales, Intel and AMD keep going back and forth on who sells more per quarter.

You have nothing to fear on that point.

Assuming your "works exceptionally well" comment is serious, then, what reason do you have to not like Intel for the same reason? ;)

[Phayzon]

Exceptionally < Perfectly, thats why. More honestly, Intel are filthy corrupting swine. I know you'll combat that too, so:

I dont like intel; I'll think of a reason later.

[Destroyer]

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[8IronBob]

Yeah, then again, Apple's finally been using Intel, and Apple doesn't have anything with the Pentium series of processors themselves. If AMD would've been Apple's choice, then their Mac sales would just simply go through the roof, if only AMD would force Apple to sell their Macs for a more reasonable price, not gonna happen. After Apple sided with Intel, the PC should also feel some of that as well with Intel's offerings. However, I have yet to see an AMD-based Mac...

[Bludd]

Phayzon: :rolleyes:

[Kevin Wolff]

Exceptionally < Perfectly, thats why.
Are we posting in the same thread?

[avatar_58]

Exceptionally < Perfectly, thats why. More honestly, Intel are filthy corrupting swine. I know you'll combat that too, so:

I dont like intel; I'll think of a reason later.

:doh: Intel is no different than AMD, they both want your money and will probably do ANYTHING to get it. Don't be fooled by the FUD that gets spread around by fanboys.

I personally choose my hardware based on results, not blind loyalty. I own an AMD chip right now and I love it, but if in the future AMD is tailing and Intel is ahead then I would gladly switch. Same for ATI/Nvidia. It all depends on which is worth my money at the time of purchase.

[8IronBob]

Yeah, I'm an indie decider myself, I could care less about what brand has the better reprotoire at that time, it's all about which PC would perform best at what the times require from it. For the time, since Hyperthreading was popular during the 2004 - 2005 era, I went with an Intel desktop, because the clockspeeds didn't seem fast enough on the AMD 64 at the time. Boy was I wrong at the last minute. Then for my notebook, I thought about the Turion 64-based notebooks at the time, but was talked into a Centrino from Dell, because my aunt had a discount with them. Of course, my desktop happens to still be that Gateway. Man, that's what I get for not paying attention before jumping, but I'm still somewhat happy with my decisions. Just that when Vista's released, I'll probably have to wait until 2008 - 2009 before doing anything that'll be worth it, just better hope that AMD'll outdo Intel during those times.

[Otto von Keisinger]

I personally choose my hardware based on results, not blind loyalty. I own an AMD chip right now and I love it, but if in the future AMD is tailing and Intel is ahead then I would gladly switch. Same for ATI/Nvidia. It all depends on which is worth my money at the time of purchase.
This is truly sage advice. I suggest you take it, Phayzon. Loyalty to faceless corporations will get you nowhere in life.

[Nessus]

I'm going to a do a new system in the next few months and I was planning on going with AMD for the first time but now it's up in the air again. So far it looks like I will be going with Intel, the performacne just seems phenomenal, I'll keep an open mind but I have a feeling AMD is not going to supplant them in the near future.

[naddie]

Eww, Intel.

Do you still feel this way? If so why? :)

Core 2 Duo just owned you (with a proper "o").

[IHerman]

I personally choose my hardware based on results, not blind loyalty. I own an AMD chip right now and I love it, but if in the future AMD is tailing and Intel is ahead then I would gladly switch. Same for ATI/Nvidia. It all depends on which is worth my money at the time of purchase.
Same here. I'll just look at a few benchmarks and reviews and pick whatever seems to be best for my money. I see absolutely no reason to avoid any of these four companies. Forgive me, but people who do so are just a bunch of whiners in my opinion.