DNF references to fads, etc.

[MasterEvilAce]

Sorry if it's been asked before.. but i'm wondering does DNF have any references (spoken or otherwise).. to fads that have happened through the years? How does 3DRealms handle those..? Do they remove jokes that they feel are no longer funny, or are they leaving them in so we can go back and say "I remember that!"

Just a random thought, not bashing them or anything but it has been a long time, and a lot of fads have come and gone. I'm wondering if the content is being kept up-to-date or if jokes are just kept and added onto

[the true duke]

well duke is based on macho 80's style action hero, so ya it was fad that came and go but no today people wants a hero they can relate to.

[Monkey Butler]

LOL, I can imagine them having to remove a whole bunch of Matrix references.

[naddie]

Good Q... DNF has been in development for so long, whats "in" when they put those jokes in are now "out" and old news. Batman Forever references be doomed, as well, lol.

Is it safe to let us know what references were planned but taken out because it was deemed too old to use now? I'm sure there was a huge list of stuff to make fun of when you guys started. :)

[RemoteControl]

3DR is going to have to take Duke's Livestrong armband away... :(

[naddie]

Livestrong is still relavent.

[Kalki]

They only put the pop-culture references in towards the end of development, when they're polishing the game.

As for Duke, he's forever.

[the true duke]

I beleive one thing 3drealms should stay away is jokes about 9/11 and New Orleans and stuff like that. I wouldnt take it as a insult since i have a since of humor, but i know many people that will take it as a direct insult.

[Sang]

^Only idiots with no humour. It's the same as saying "GTA shouldn't exist because some people find it insulting!"

[Commando Nukem]

^Only idiots with no humour. It's the same as saying "GTA shouldn't exist because some people find it insulting!"

Or people who lost people in those horrible horrible occurences.

[Sang]

^True, I'm not saying I don't regret that many people died. I just think it's time to 'let go' and laugh at jokes about it.

[Commando Nukem]

For people whom it affected personally, thats a pretty tall order Sang. Not that im saying we shouldn't try to find the good in everything. But theres really not much you can honestly laugh about 9/11. Its still quite a fresh subject. Its another thing when you poke fun at World War 2 or something back then. Cause hey, that was so long ago that a lot of those people are either dead or don't care what some people on a forum say.

I do think that DNF should maintain the references though. Its always been one to poke fun at something somewhere, even in Duke 1 and Duke2. :D

[the true duke]

one thing i hate about people today is WHY does it take a horrible horrible catastophee to make people care about each other.

also sang is right to, its been 5 years since 9/11 happen and people do need to let go of what happen in the past. if you hold on to the past it eats away at you leaves you emotionally crippled and that you can do some really bizarre things.

the past is the past, you can do nothing to change it. we all know the past is left forgotten.

[Commando Nukem]

one thing i hate about people today is WHY does it take a horrible horrible catastophee to make people care about each other.

also sang is right to, its been 5 years since 9/11 happen and people do need to let go of what happen in the past. if you hold on to the past it eats away at you leaves you emotionally crippled and that you can do some really bizarre things.

the past is the past, you can do nothing to change it. we all know the past is left forgotten.

Its not about letting go of the past. For people who lost people its not that simple, they wake up and realise THAT PERSON AINT THERE. If ya put it in a game like DNF someone is gonna really be hurt by something like that. Its also called friggin respect.

Seriously on the example subject of 9/11 tell me one thing that is actually FUNNY about that situation? Mass Murder, Conspiracy Theories, Major Collat and Economic damage.

and its not entirely true to say its in the past. The problems that lead to that event and the problems that came after it, are still with us today.

Five years is not that long of a time in the grand scheme of things. and for those who lived it and were traumatised by it. It ain't anything but FRESH in their minds.

Im just saying, there are tens of thousands of subjects out there that are actually FUNNY. 9/11 and the War on Terror has nothing funny within its content. Im not being Politically Correct. Im simply being morally withstanding. Theres nothing funny about death, destruction and the way the human spirit acts under such pressure.

and don't be so suprised that a horrible trategy brought some people together for all of five weeks. I remember not long after that a rift started to form, and you ended up with it being Republicans and Democrats again. and in other countries it happend quite the same way. Its just a sad truth of the planet. Trategy can bring people together... For awhile.

Then again the US was supposed to have a major revolution every 40 years.

Sorry to be off the topic. Im just trying to figure out why 9/11 would be something anyone in Duke Nukem could make a humourous reference to. Theres nothing really there that I can see thats funny. If you want to make a joke about George Bush, that has nothing to do with 9/11. Every Preisdent the US has ever had has had fun made of them. They get that shit, just how it is.

[Monkey Butler]

If a loved one died in a car crash, you wouldn't refuse to get in a car for 5 years. That's just neurotic.

[naddie]

If a loved one died in a car crash, you wouldn't refuse to get in a car for 5 years. That's just neurotic.
So you can find humor in someone's loved one who died in a car crash after 5 years? How about if it was your own loved one?

[Monkey Butler]

If it was funny, yeah sure. 5 years is a very long time. What are you going to do if you can't laugh at tragedy? Just wallow in it and never get over anything?

[Commando Nukem]

If it was funny, yeah sure. 5 years is a very long time. What are you going to do if you can't laugh at tragedy? Just wallow in it and never get over anything?
Theres a difference between getting over something, and laughing about it.

and again, the question is being avoided.

What is funny about 9/11, what can you make into a joke for DNF?

[cladinshadows]

There's nothing funny about 9/11 or car crashes and death. To poke fun at 9/11 as an incident is distasteful, rude and could cause people some discomfort and sadness - especially if a loved one was killed in the tragedy.
If the Duke team could make fun of anything it would be Bin Laden (Like South Park) or the terrorists.

I don't think anyone on the team, or even the people arguing to leave the event in the past actually want to make fun of 9/11. I don't even know how you could unless you advocate what the terrorists did.

[Commando Nukem]

There's nothing funny about 9/11 or car crashes and death. To poke fun at 9/11 as an incident is distasteful, rude and could cause people some discomfort and sadness - especially if a loved one was killed in the tragedy.
If the Duke team could make fun of anything it would be Bin Laden (Like South Park) or the terrorists.

I don't think anyone on the team, or even the people arguing to leave the event in the past actually want to make fun of 9/11. I don't even know how you could unless you advocate what the terrorists did.

I agree, nor do I mean to sound so defensive about such things. I totally support Duke Nukems politically incorrect style. I just don't think we should push buttons like that. Since it really has nothing to do with politics. Duke maybe incorrect, but he also seems to be quite a patriot kinda guy, not someone likely to poke fun at 9/11 or anything.

Then again it was only given as an example in the thread.

[Sang]

If ya put it in a game like DNF someone is gonna really be hurt by something like that. Its also called friggin respect.

Making a joke about something doesn't automatically mean you don't respect them, at least if you do it right. I am seeing your point though.

[Monkey Butler]

I agree, nor do I mean to sound so defensive about such things. I totally support Duke Nukems politically incorrect style. I just don't think we should push buttons like that. Since it really has nothing to do with politics. Duke maybe incorrect, but he also seems to be quite a patriot kinda guy, not someone likely to poke fun at 9/11 or anything.

Then again it was only given as an example in the thread.

Well OK that's fine, I guess there wouldn't be any reasonable way to include the event in the game (and they definitely shouldn't just shoehorn it in to be edgy or whatever), but if they were to just not include it because it's "too soon", well I think that's just bullshit.

[Micki!]

If the Duke team could make fun of anything it would be Bin Laden (Like South Park) or the terrorists.


Great idea... :)

I would find it really funny if an event like this would appear in DNF:

It's your objective to find and destroy some kind of mini nuke, made by some Alien (a mini boss, maybe some Alien General ..?!) This Alien has been taunting Duke, that his planb was an idiot-safe plan, that will not fail by any means...
You (despite the taunts of the Alien :)) just destroyed the mini-nuke/whatever that the aliens wanted to use to destroy a part of the city with, the Aliens are escaping, and it's your next objective to kill him (the mini-boss)... Him and his crew of a few guards are a pretty big step ahead of you, and at some point, you stand behind some armored glas, while watching for a bunch of terrorists knowing nothing of what's going on about the Aliens attack on the city and such... They then plan to do a massive terror attack, and get interrupted by the Aliens... The terrorists get killed,and suddenly, the miniboss, gets the idea of using the terrorists bombs instead (i personally like this little mini-plot twist) The mini boss Alien will now see the presence of you (Duke) and taunt you by telling that he's got ANOTHER idiot-safe plan to destroy the city...

Maybe not much of a refernece of Terrorist attacks, but because of them, the Aliens managed to bother you by making the same thing twice... :hhg:

[Monkey Butler]

Woah, hang on a second! Isn't this exactly the same thing as references to september 11? Except somehow because the terrorists are the ones dying it's acceptable??

[Micki!]

I have no idea...

It's some event i just had in mind... i invented it myself...
I don't know exactly what happened on 9/11, but my above event is not supposed to be any kind of reference to it... It's only a funny example, of an ironic event, where terroristst are being terrorized...

Damnit, where's the "Scripted event ideas" thread when you need it..? :( (yeah, it's gone)
Then again ,that thread was about short events, and not whole sections in the game...

[Monkey Butler]

No, that's not what I meant. See, people were really against any sort of reference/parallel/joke at the expense of september 11, but there's been no such outcry at a similar scene (ie, terrorist attack) being played out in reverse. It just makes me wonder whether September 11 is a sensitive issue because a few thousand people were killed, or because a few thousand of us were killed.

[Commando Nukem]

No, that's not what I meant. See, people were really against any sort of reference/parallel/joke at the expense of september 11, but there's been no such outcry at a similar scene (ie, terrorist attack) being played out in reverse. It just makes me wonder whether September 11 is a sensitive issue because a few thousand people were killed, or because a few thousand of us were killed.

Terrorists are dying because they are the ****ing badguys. Ya make fun of people who use themselves as bombs. You also kill them. If not, they will kill you.

Its a totally different thing to poke fun at september 11th, a day when innocent CIVILIANS died for no other reason then some angry group in the world who hates the way the free world lives. If it was up to them, we wouldn't have half the shit we have, because they believe all of this stuff is immoral and wrong. (Yet they imploy it daily, y'know, computers, watches... etc, devices they have condemned.).

I know its a matter of time before someone says "What about the Iraqi civilians?" "What about the Agphgani Civilians?". Its war, and we try so very hard to make sure we hit our targets, but war is full of killing, and sometimes civilians are just gonna get caught in the crossfire. I feel as badly for them as anyone. I really regret it, deeply. Thats war though, and if we backed out now it would be all hells kinda worse then when we pulled out of Vietnam (3 million dead not long after we left Vietnam.). Same thing would happen here. The terrorists would come in, and use their standard tactics (Suicide attacks, RPGS, mines.) and kick the Iraqies right back down into the mud. Not to mention just how nasty they would get back here. They might even end up getting a few successful attacks in (we've stopped several thousand at last count. I think thats pretty damn good considering we weren't stopping shit before 9/11. Course they weren't doing much either.)

Terrorists are neither military nor civilian, they don't have a country which legally supports their actions, they come to different places, setup camps, plan suicide attacks. Live amongst the people they intend to blow to bits. They have no honor, no true loyalty, they twist a legitamate religion into a weapon of war. They kidnap and behead civilians, they use Iraqis and Agphganis as shields, making it harder for our soldiers to coduct a war.(Only helps to incriminate them when they do end up killing civilians.)


See, thats why I said 9/11 OR The War On Terror. Its a hotbed subject to a lot of people, and its a hotbed subject politically. Its not worth touching, and its not funny.

[the true duke]

some pop music would be nice.

[the true duke]

"Terrorists are dying because they are the ****ing badguys" :doh:

commando i thought you were better than that. the only reason there attacking us is cause we set foot on there sacred lands, cause we have american troops deviling the lands they sought was sacred and holy and there continue until were are removed from there lands and then and only then will the terrorist attacks begin the dwindle BUT there still be attacks because there REALLY !@##$$# PISSED OFF. :censored:

terrorist are people, there are military type, they just do things different from what we do. they dont just go around planning to bomb this and that, there trying to take back there lands which was taking from them. :woot:

****, just go back to the fad thing and forgot about this subject. and the comedian gilbert made a 9/11 joke, its not his fault its his job.

and there are jokes about it, go to www.tshirthell.com and they have a particular shirt that says. i plane new york. it shows a plane in the middle of i and new york. dont be distgusted cause people are different, some people deal with tragedies with a joke while others remorse and prayers.

[KaiserSoze]

I'd love Duke to poke fun at secret societies, the New World Order and even the
Duke cult. "What's with the funny handshake you slimey bastard!" ;)

Definately pop music stuff like American Idol, Britney, etc.

The whole plastic surgery thing. I could see some funny one liners from Duke in the strip club. :)

[Micki!]

I believe i get your point Commando Nukem...

Becasue of this, i'll rephrase my above post (not edit it though) and replace Terrorists, with Gangsters, or some kind of criminals... Maybe some gang planning to blow up a building for whatever reason..

Blah, just had to say this...

PS
Have to do this, it's kinda on-topic atm...
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Below: Political Duke :o
http://www.duke4.net/images/fanart/micki/10.png

[the true duke]

lol, ya. a duke cult is a rather fun thing to see.

sooner or later they'll start a duke religion and church like with star-trek lol.

[Ivan]

Didn't we have a DNF Cult around here?

[Micki!]

I still bare the logo... :o

[Otto von Keisinger]

If I had the necessary Photoshop skills, you be seeing massive DNF cult bling hanging around my avatar's neck. Oh well. :(

Back on topic, I think a plastic surgery reference in DNF would have to be having Fembots in the strip club attack you. I mean, honestly, that's just necessary.

[Commando Nukem]

"Terrorists are dying because they are the ****ing badguys" :doh:

commando i thought you were better than that. the only reason there attacking us is cause we set foot on there sacred lands, cause we have american troops deviling the lands they sought was sacred and holy and there continue until were are removed from there lands and then and only then will the terrorist attacks begin the dwindle BUT there still be attacks because there REALLY !@##$$# PISSED OFF. :censored:

terrorist are people, there are military type, they just do things different from what we do. they dont just go around planning to bomb this and that, there trying to take back there lands which was taking from them. :woot:

****, just go back to the fad thing and forgot about this subject. and the comedian gilbert made a 9/11 joke, its not his fault its his job.

and there are jokes about it, go to www.tshirthell.com and they have a particular shirt that says. i plane new york. it shows a plane in the middle of i and new york. dont be distgusted cause people are different, some people deal with tragedies with a joke while others remorse and prayers.

Oh, and no. They are not soldiers. They are not marines, they are not any such thing. They don't have a common uniform, they don't have a country that they unifyingly call their own. you see, I do get that they are people. I also get that they are people who are being mislead by a lack of information. That is why they would take the leap of faith and blow themselves up. Their religion (like any religion can be) has been twisted to act as a rod to push them even further to the opposite side. They are also from an assortment of different lands. They do not come from just one place, this make the arguement that we have "Taken their lands" less plausible, nevermind that we didn't take anything without signing a treaty with said nation we were taking it from, and usually we payed out a nice fee. Im assuming you are referring to oil we have taken from certain nations. But its always been in trade (kinda makes yet another arguement for going into Iraq stupid, since our oil supply is still low and we are still having prices go up. Shouldn't they go down if we are jacking so much oil?)


What land did we occupy pre 9/11 that "belonged" to them? Israel doesn't count since George Bush has been pushing Israel to pull back. Course everytime they do they get a bomb in the face.

The only places we've placed troops aside from Iraq and Agphganistan are places where we have asked to come and thus have signed a treaty, or a place where we have been asked to put troops in for either humanitarian aid, or mutual defense.

Oh and the guys we're fighting in Iraq, most of them are not from Iraq, they're coming from syria and Iran to fight. So technically, the few from Iraq that are fighting (from Sadam's Time) are fighting for something they think still has a chance to exist. Which is really stupid and counter-productive.


Thats life. I wouldn't mind seeing a few jokes about game-to-movie adaptions in there. Like they kinda did in Duke3D with "Lunar Apocolypse: The Movie." and all those other references. Duke has always had a sorta theatrical feel even in the older games.

Oh and Micki, I had no quarl with your Idea. I thought it was a kick ass idea. :), y'see, its fictional. Im talking outright mentions of 9/11 in such lights.

[Micki!]

Oh and Micki, I had no quarl with your Idea. I thought it was a kick ass idea. :), y'see, its fictional. Im talking outright mentions of 9/11 in such lights.

I still think it might be better to switch terrorists with something else, afterall... :o

[rockmanekuzu8]

I agree completely with Commando Nukem and The True Duke, however no Israel doesn't count but still is part of the problem. When Israeli Soldiers massacre innocent civilians for fun, of course that will make the people of that area attack back with any means neccessary.

That's logically self defense deployed in Terrorist like Action ways right.

Besides Islam is not a bad religon it is pretty good like the others, except some people use it as a weapon agreed. That is not right.

To close this topic with my final Judgment, I say DNF should be about only Duke plus all close subjects relating to Duke like babes and Aliens. Not far long range unnecessary subjects please.

Right, now let's talk about something cooler like how DNF will be when released etc. :)

[Malgon]

Duke should make references to anything that is funny, or worth taking the p*ss out of. There are many things to poke fun at, as long as it is not a current event. Movies, games, books, are all cool to take a stab at imo. :)

[cladinshadows]

Woah, hang on a second! Isn't this exactly the same thing as references to september 11? Except somehow because the terrorists are the ones dying it's acceptable??

Making a joke about Bin Laden and other people who do harm to innocent individuals purposely and righteousely, and 9/11 are two different things. One is making light of a person and the other is making light of two towers with people inside collapsing and burning causing firefighters and helpers medical problems.

People make fun of Hitler without touching on the holocaust (Little Nicky did something remarcable with a Pineapple). I see no difference in my proposal - neither directly references the event (people make fun of George Bush without making fun of 9/11) and pokes fun at an individual which wanted to instill terror, turning their 'scariness' into something pathetic to laugh at.

In any case, even if the event is brought to mind, it can be uplifting for victims to see the victimizers put in their shoes; it's also a good laugh for the Patriotic and sane to see people they consider fools (or perhaps misguided is a more politically correct thing to say) become a victim of one of their own devices (remember in HL when that marine is given that experimental weapon by a scientist and blows himself up when he overcharges it?).

[Monkey Butler]

Shock and Awe anyone? Yeah, that "acciedentally" killed a bunch of civilians. Point is, we see ourselves as waging a legitimate war on a concept (terrorism), and a legally unrecognised army (the terrorists) are waging what they call a holy war on us. 11/9 could be considered their version of shock and awe - an attempt to make a grand, belligerent statement while causing as much death and destruction as possible.

And I can't blame the Palestinians for being bitter about losing a home land that was promised to them less than 100 years ago.

[cladinshadows]

I don't care what they consider 9/11 to be (btw, you called it "11/9").

Listen: I can sympathize with people being angry about not getting their land, or having it taken away. I can also sympathize with loved one's being cassualties of bad soldiers and collateral damage. But wouldn't you admit that suicide bombings and hostage situations are the wrong choices of action to seek the end they want?

In any case Bin Laden is a Saudi, not a Palestinian.

[rockmanekuzu8]

Yeah but dude, what are they supposed to do when they have no conventional forces or training, they do something down right crazy. It seems drastically bad, but hey when you kill somebody's family member.

Then someone will get you back for it too. That's just justice if you can say or revenge for a reason etc. Right now that make sense.

Well now both sides need to reach an agreement of some kind or whatever, I say that's enough now.

**#* Bin laden, he is just plain crazy now. Well do you people even know why, I heard he used to work for America until they back stabbed him. Now there's a lot of story to these subjects before we can think they are the real evil. Just who is the real evil behind all this, maybe a secret evil society. Maybe worser the devil himself, master of evil.

Any ways

Let's lay off world topics and stay on DNF primarily.

Ok thanks. ;)

[Commando Nukem]

The Iraq military has now officially declared michael moore a "Little Bitch" and snapped a disc of farenheit 9/11.

Woot.:D

*that* would make a good reference. =p

[the true duke]

omg what did i start, i agree with rockmanekuzu8. get back on dnf topic.

the goverment doesnt tell you everything. they know cititzens are galluble and beleive almost anything they'll tell them.

and the devil is not behind any of this cause PEOPLE are capable of doing really really evil things.

[cladinshadows]

DNF fad references... hmmm...

Easy targets are baggy pants and 'grills;' emo cry babies.

[Oblivion]

I would love to see Duke Nukem meet Brock Samson from Venture Brothers. Or make a reference to him. They would get along great lol.

Oh, as for 9/11... They've already released MULTIPLE movies and documentaries about this day. I personally thought they rushed all of that stuff and it was too soon.

However; since they DID release all of these things, I think it's safe to say we've passed the no-joke phase. Blame the media, independent film makers and hollywood for this. But seriously, 2 movies made it to the big screen about this day. Am I the only one who thought it was too soon?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't make movies about it. Nor am I saying we should joke about it. I just feel like some people who got over these things probably don't enjoy having it constantly thrown back at them as a reminder.

[trackit]

Oh, and no. They are not soldiers. They are not marines, they are not any such thing. They don't have a common uniform, they don't have a country that they unifyingly call their own. you see, I do get that they are people. I also get that they are people who are being mislead by a lack of information.

you know, it was actually funny to read that... cause i think that most mislead are american citizens, including you

[Oblivion]

you know, it was actually funny to read that... cause i think that most mislead are american citizens, including you

We are mislead. No denying that. But so is the rest of the world on America. Unless you've lived in a place for 20 years I doubt anyone really "knows" anything about another country. Outside of media and conversations with residents of that country. Both of which are biased and opinionated (if not controlled.) Presumptions are a marvilous thing and they make the world go round.

[Denz]

It needs He-bro on some TV:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLQBEmr7MDw&search=He-bro

\o/

[Micki!]

Haha... :D

[rockmanekuzu8]

Couldn't agree more with you True Duke, people are capable of very evil things that's part of our nature. Still I however feel there's an even darker power behind us being this evil, we are being influenced or controlled by something.

Or we just do it on our own with all this evil darker power influence like the devil himself you know.

Well any ways let's get back to Duke please, because we have to really talk about the Duke he will be back soon.

Let's hope he can whoop the stuffing out of these new not so cool as Duke games such as Halo and Half Life etc.

Yes Oblivion Brock Samson would be good as a match sort of to Duke, they would get along pretty good.

Ok thanks. :)

And what is so funny Micki?

Well..........

[Micki!]

And what is so funny Micki?


That crazy-ass movie Denz posted... :hhg:

That's just insane, and funny...
That's "over-the-top" manly-ness right there...:dopefish:

[StainedCheeks]

they will need tv shows to play in the background at some points, mabey tv shows like ******* the movie, or bum fights. or cops beating people and peper spraying young shoplifters. or have news footage of senators caught with prostitutes. Or the aliens could broadcast instructions on how to surrender with a reward or bounty if one can catch Duke.Or they could have a add that says, tired of ur job? tired of feeling frustrated with endless tasks mountains of paperwork? then join our ever growing number of postal workers. Ahh who knows what ever they do is gana be great. I want a golden eagle with my copy when it comes so if any one tries to interupt me while playing I will be ready....

[the true duke]

funny movie denz, HE-BRO