Proton?

[Reaper]

I'm kinda hazy on this, but didn't Dr. Proton get cut a while back? And when was that, the unreal engine switch?

[Kupferdrache]

I think we do not know. ;)

[Micki!]

We are aware of the Egnine switch and stuff... It has been explained countless times before... (oh god, too often actually... I'M not beginning with it again)

But we know nothing of Dr Proton being in or not... :o

[FireFly]

Actually...

"Don't assume Proton is even in the game. In fact, at the moment, he's not."

(January, 2003)

[Kristian Joensen]

He said at the moment. So that quote doesn't tell us that much. Especially considering that it was siad almost AT the point of the content restart.

[Drewcifer]

I seriously hope they don't have Dr. Proton as the main villain. I know the Duke loves his spoofs, but good god. Hopefully the villain is more in the vein of DN3D, being sort of a malignant alien force.

[FireFly]

He said at the moment. So that quote doesn't tell us that much. Especially considering that it was siad almost AT the point of the content restart.
I agree, but it at least casts doubt on his inclusion.

[Kristian Joensen]

Ohh certainly I agree with that.

[KaiserSoze]

he is.


/me runs far away

[the true duke]

I seriously hope they don't have Dr. Proton as the main villain. I know the Duke loves his spoofs, but good god. Hopefully the villain is more in the vein of DN3D, being sort of a malignant alien force.

i agree, i want the final boss to be really really really really really tough to defeat, and dr. proton is not that tough.

besides, the age of batman villians (fighting the same villian everytime) is over, i hope to god they dont make dnf corney.

hears to best wishes.

[Little Conqueror]

I'd LIKE to see old villains from the DN1-2 days. That's what defined Duke for me - I mean, keep Pigcops and Battlelords and stuff, but how about some Techbots or something?

[Kalki]

Another fun fact: DN:Manhattan Project (2002) had Proton but the character was changed to Mech Morphix to avoid conflicts with DNF's plot.

[hell-angel]

Which was from before the latest restart. :) So once again, nothing is certain. ;)

[Kalki]

They may have been writing the renderer around then! :)

But yes, nothing is certain! :p

[Kristian Joensen]

According to Mobygames Duke Nukem Manhattan Project was released in May 2002, the DNF renderer was done in November 2002.

[Kalki]

They may have been writing the renderer aroundMay 2002,the DNF renderer was done in November 2002.


char5

[hell-angel]

They may have been writing the renderer around then! :)

But yes, nothing is certain! :p
Since when has a renderer something to do with a plot character. ;) :p

[Kalki]

They probably needed to precalculate the number of shaders that would go on Proton's metal faceplate. :D

[hell-angel]

They probably needed to precalculate the number of shaders that would go on Proton's metal faceplate. :D
:D that is true. ;)

[the true duke]

but you guys got to consider that the enemies in the game were mutants, not aliens.

[hell-angel]

but you guys got to consider that the enemies in the game were mutants, not aliens.
Yes. :) Thanks to the glob to be precise. ;)

[Kalki]

G.L.O.P.P.

Some Mech Morphix related data files in MP were named after "Proton" having survived the character name change.

[hell-angel]

G.L.O.P.P.


Well, is sounds the same. :p (almost that is ;) )

[Kristian Joensen]

char5

Sure but a renderer that was done in November 2002 probably hadn't had any work started on it when those changes were made to DN:MP. I mean DN:MP beeing released in May 2002 means that those changes where made even prior to that. Most likely prior to any work starting on the new renderer.

Even if they had started work on it, I though design decisions from Early 2002 have any bearing on the final game given that content creation in connection with restart only started in January 2003.

Meaning that even if Proton is in the game the model/animations and code for him highly likely postdates January 2003 again making any changes to DN:MP less than relevant for that question.

[hell-angel]

Sure but a renderer that was done in November 2002 probably hadn't had any work started on it when those changes were made to DN:MP. I mean DN:MP beeing released in May 2002 means that those changes where made even prior to that. Most likely prior to any work starting on the new renderer.

Even if they had started work on it, I though design decisions from Early 2002 have any bearing on the final game given that content creation in connection with restart only started in January 2003.

Meaning that even if Proton is in the game the model/animations and code for him highly likely postdates January 2003 again making any changes to DN:MP less than relevant for that question.
But the story didn't change. Well, they didn't rewrite it from scratch so it is very well possible that they where using the story from 2k1 at that time.

[Kristian Joensen]

George HAS indeed said that they story has changed alot, besides there still is the January 2003 quote mentioned above.

[hell-angel]

True, but I was refering to the version at that specific time. Not the current version. :)

[trackit]

who has written the story for dnf?

[Kristian Joensen]

The script was written by Garry Whitta.

[The Frederick]

Wait a minute, exactly HOW MUCH do we even know about Proton?

[Micki!]

Wait a minute, exactly HOW MUCH do we even know about Proton?

About being in DNF..? Or personal info..?(personla, = like in knowing his origin)

[The Red Slaughter]

Duke already fought too many aliens. Rigelatins, the aliens for dn3d (don't know the name). Say, I've heard that the plot was about Dr. Proton taking Las Vegas, and area 51, then using artifacts there to call aliens of all corners of the galaxy to join in some kind of legion... Yeah, that would be cool! And if Proton unleashed some new Techbots... With alien tecnology!

Oh, by the way: Who's the robot-like guy on DNF trailler?

[Marty]

he might make an appearance. for instance, he may appear as the big bad dude at the start threatening to kick Dukes ass along with every other puny human scum "haw haw haw im gonna kill you coz im so bad and all!! grrrr". then suddenly a big ass alien strikes earth and rips Proton's ass in three. kinda setting the bar for a new level of danger against Duke.

[The Red Slaughter]

WOW! Cool! I liked that! Maybe you could fight Proton in the first part of the game, Proton as a Boss. Duke fights Proton, after some shooting, Proton prepares himself for a certainly fatal atack against Duke, then the "Big Ass" Alien shows and cracks Proton's ass in three and get the hell out. Meanwhile, Duke look at the skies and the aliens begin to invade earth.

[Micki!]

Oh, by the way: Who's the robot-like guy on DNF trailler?

Look closely at the chest plating armor of the robot, and you'll see "EDF" on it...
As you may know, EDF is earths defence force, so it's something made by them... And appearantly, it somehow fights against you, instead of with you...

I assume so at least, cause it didn't look quite friendly, and the flaming background also made the whole scene seem more "hostile"...

[The Red Slaughter]

Thanks for the info Micki. I missed the EDF thingie.

Oh shit, Duke is going to fight with THIS shit? Oh man, he's going to die (Of Laughter, when he finds out that this robot is real and he will have to take on that piece of junk xD)!

[Micki!]

Heh... I really liked this robot... It looked really "terminator" like, and i'm curious what kinds of attacks it was supposed to have...

I hope it's still in, and looking more badass... :cool:

[Malgon]

I wonder if that T2 inspired robot was a reference to the earlier DN games (Proton's robots), or possibly a continuation of what LameDuke had?

[the true duke]

the t2 model terminator was awesome. but seeing it in the game puts duke at odds (unless near intence heat sorce like magma or something like that) because that terminator took everyshot from the good guy. at that time arnold looked. walked and kick ass like duke nukem.

also what was that thing with the vulture killing it near the end of the 2001 trailer. was that supposed to be a graboid inspired monster (tremors series). also i did at one point in the trailor see a sniping seqence, was that supposed to be the enemy.

[Gatinater]

Originally it seemed the aliens were parasites and using humans and other creatures as hosts. So the guy that gets his head blown off with the sniper rifle might be infected.

What I want to know is if that creature that bursts through the door is a mutant bore or what.

You know what would be funny? If DNF takes place right after Duke3D. The intro starts with a recap of Duke3D then ends with .. 5 months later..

[Micki!]

You know what would be funny? If DNF takes place right after Duke3D. The intro starts with a recap of Duke3D then ends with .. 5 months later..

I like that... :)

[Otto von Keisinger]

Originally it seemed the aliens were parasites and using humans and other creatures as hosts. So the guy that gets his head blown off with the sniper rifle might be infected.

What I want to know is if that creature that bursts through the door is a mutant bore or what.

You know what would be funny? If DNF takes place right after Duke3D. The intro starts with a recap of Duke3D then ends with .. 5 months later..
"Mmm... Now that I've had some R&R, I'm ready to get back into action!"
"But Duke! I need some more R&R!"
"Ooohhh! Ooooo!"
"Ahhh!"
"Oh, baby!"

[infowars]

This is a very important aspect of the game...

I dont want the dr. proton villian to bust down the wall, through out the game, like the kool-aid man and say some cheezy liners, then run off... till the end where you fight him:mryuck:

YAWN! CHEEZY! NO THANKS!

I agree! the days of batman vs the joker is OVER!
Why doenst batman just f-in shoot the joker in the face...and end it forever....but noooooooo. :doh:

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I hope to see Duke in Las Vegas, with a 'Night of the living dead' erie type feel...:insomnia:

"People are turning into those...THINGS"

Not till the end Do I wanna learn, whats going on...who's really behind eveything...the main villan...whatever

I just dont want some wimpy whiteboy, dr. proton to be in a robot suit saying "I will destroy you duke nukem"....blah blah blah....

[Gatinater]

I dont want the dr. proton villian to bust down the wall, through out the game, like the kool-aid man
HELLS YES, It must be in the game and only if he exclaims "OH YEAAAaah" with a gritty voice.

Al Pachino could be the voice. "OH.. YEEAAAHH!!!"

Or Chris Walkin.

"I have come bursting through this wall to deliver a message.. now that message would be.. Oh.. and yeah."

I'm serious 3DR could totally make this work with the righ formula.

[The Red Slaughter]

But seeying Proton into Unreal's real 3D thingamajingayard could be cool. An' this would be last fight between the two. Besides, what if Proton captured some Aliens and started to genetic engineer them?

[Otto von Keisinger]

I think the Kool-Aid man should be a boss in DNF. :censored:

[Gatinater]

Yes, definitely.

[ZuljinRaynor]

"Mmm... Now that I've had some R&R, I'm ready to get back into action!"
"But Duke! I need some more R&R!"
"Ooohhh! Ooooo!"
"Ahhh!"
"Oh, baby!"
Dude, that's before Episode 4. ;)

[the true duke]

thats episode 3, and wasnt it in zero hour or a other port gaem besided dn64?

but besides that the enemies need to burst through the skull of the people (not giant ass alien, cause then you think "how did that bigass thing come out of that body") then the bodies attack you while fighting the thing.

[Commando Nukem]

thats episode 3, and wasnt it in zero hour or a other port gaem besided dn64?

but besides that the enemies need to burst through the skull of the people (not giant ass alien, cause then you think "how did that bigass thing come out of that body") then the bodies attack you while fighting the thing.

I think Duke snags a little action in two instances with Lara Croft in DN:TTK (audio ya sickos. Once on a phone and once in the End Credits near the end of em.)

I hope Proton does come back. It'd be nice to come full circle. :D

[The Red Slaughter]

Uhh... Wonder why we like to say "big-ass Alien" so much? And how you know it's big ass alien? You're looking?

[The Bad Guy]

i agree, i want the final boss to be really really really really really tough to defeat, and dr. proton is not that tough.

besides, the age of batman villians (fighting the same villian everytime) is over, i hope to god they dont make dnf corney.

hears to best wishes.I always thought Duke was supposed to be corny. Goldeneye did a good job of making human Bosses tough. Of course, Duke and Proton would be armed much more heavily, but with a little speed and agility with his floating chair, and the battlelord's chaingun, Proton could be pretty tough.

[Commando Nukem]

The main reason that Goldeneye had tough "bosses" was because they had full health and armor in comparison to the player, and generally were packing heavy firepower (Xenia had a grenade launcher and an RCP-90, I remember getting so pissed off everytime she killed me at the bridge.... ARGGH!!!)

Duke is quite a deal different in that the bosses usually are bigger, slower and a hell of a lot tougher then Duke (health wise.)

[Otto von Keisinger]

Dude, that's before Episode 4. ;)
I seem to recall at the end of Episode 3, he was talking about getting some R&R. I don't recall him ever coming back from said R&R, i.e, the Plutonium Pack put him doing some more work before getting said R&R.

[Commando Nukem]

I seem to recall at the end of Episode 3, he was talking about getting some R&R. I don't recall him ever coming back from said R&R, i.e, the Plutonium Pack put him doing some more work before getting said R&R.
Actually Episode FOUR is his vacation gettin' interupted. :) and at the end of Episode 3 not only did he talk about getting his badself some AR AND AR. He got himself some.:D Johnny on the spot!

[Otto von Keisinger]

Actually Episode FOUR is his vacation gettin' interupted. :) and at the end of Episode 3 not only did he talk about getting his badself some AR AND AR. He got himself some.:D Johnny on the spot!
Okay already, you killed my joke. I admit it. Happy now?

[The Red Slaughter]

What R&R? What that means? Rock & Roll?

[Commando Nukem]

Rest and Relaxation, or Rest and Recouperation. Basically, it means get a damn vacation. =p

[The Red Slaughter]

Thanks. Now... About something:
Why anything can be considered "boss"? We have nothing good? We must prepare the everythings to reduce Duke to nothings!

[hell-angel]

I think the Kool-Aid man should be a boss in DNF. :censored:
And I am in favor of having Otto Von Keisinger as an enemy, so I can legally shoot him for dumb ideas. :mad:

;) :p j/k :dopefish:

[The Red Slaughter]

Kool-Aid man? Who is this guy?


Oh, and we should have a secret "Siegler's Bot" boss, featuring Joe Siegler in a Robot like the one Zilla used to battle Lo Wang.

The Siegler Bot tauted Duke saying things like "Stop shooting me, you're not even done already!", "Want to know when you're going to kill me? When it's done buddy, when it's done.", "When it's done, and it's not, DIE!", "Warning: Duke Nukem Forever done! Danger of death".

[Micki!]

The Siegler Bot tauted Duke saying things like "Stop shooting me, you're not even done already!", "Want to know when you're going to kill me? When it's done buddy, when it's done.", "When it's done, and it's not, DIE!", "Warning: Duke Nukem Forever done! Danger of death".

You must know, that most of us, don't find that funny anymore... It's simply too old...:insomnia:

[hell-angel]

You must know, that most of us, don't find that funny anymore... It's simply too old...:insomnia:
QFT. :(

[The Red Slaughter]

Of course it's not too old... It's not EVEN done already! xD

[hell-angel]

Of course it's not too old... It's not EVEN done already! xD
We where refering to the siegler bot joke. That joke has been made for the past severl years about every month. So for the older timers here it's getting old. ;)

[Gatinater]

Kool-Aid man? Who is this guy?
You don't know the Kool-Aid pitcher? He's a big pitcher of shitty cheap drink mix. He has arms and legs and burst through walls with glasses of Kool-Aid then exclaims "OH YEAH!" right before he passes Kool-Aid to the little bastards.

The kids shout stuff like "AWSOME!!" and KOOL-AID?! KOOL!!"

I don't think they have aired a Kool-Aid commercial for ten years though. Atleast not enough to be noticed by anyone.

[Otto von Keisinger]

Oh no, the Kool-Aid man is still around, terrorizing our children on WB Kids and other stations; I've seen him flipping past it. I positively hate the blighter.

Honestly, Kool-Aid is only good for two things, commiting mass suicide and mixing with copious amounts of alcohol.

And I am in favor of having Otto Von Keisinger as an enemy, so I can legally shoot him for dumb ideas. :mad:

;) :p j/k :dopefish:
OMG! U HAT ME!!! :( *Runs off and curls up into the fetal position in the corner, sobbing.*

[Commando Nukem]

Oh no, the Kool-Aid man is still around, terrorizing our children on WB Kids and other stations; I've seen him flipping past it. I positively hate the blighter.

Honestly, Kool-Aid is only good for two things, commiting mass suicide and mixing with copious amounts of alcohol.


OMG! U HAT ME!!! :( *Runs off and curls up into the fetal position in the corner, sobbing.*

*Runs up to Otto and pauses* hmm.... *Jumps out the window and lands safely on the bottom level... and then....Suddenly.*

*KOOL-AID Man busts through a wall* "OH YEAHHH!!! ITS DONE!!!"

[Otto von Keisinger]

*Kool-Aid Man slams through wall and plummets 110 feet onto Commando Nukem, crushing him. Otto von Keisinger sticks his head out from the massive hole, examining his handiwork* I didn't think you could survive a fall like that; looks like I was right. Didn't I tell you to never say that stupid catchphrase again?

[the true duke]

i killed the cool-aid man, drank him to death.

[hell-angel]

OMG! U HAT ME!!! *Runs off and curls up into the fetal position in the corner, sobbing.*

Nah, I was joking. ;)

(now, where did I leave that anti-ovk gun?? :confused: ) :p

i killed the cool-aid man, drank him to death.
Finally. :p

Now back to proton. Is he still in or not, that's the question. :)

[Gatinater]

*Kool-Aid Man slams through wall and plummets 110 feet onto Commando Nukem, crushing him. Otto von Keisinger sticks his head out from the massive hole, examining his handiwork* I didn't think you could survive a fall like that; looks like I was right. Didn't I tell you to never say that stupid catchphrase again?

Don't forgot about the Tv he dropped on his head.

Remember the episode of family guy in which someone shot the Kool-Aid man? He put his hands over the hole as the red liquid trickled out and exclaimed "Oh No!!"

I think it was family Guy, may have been another cartoon.

I do remember a great family guy moment when they were in court. Peter was found guilty. Everyone exclaims "Oh no!" After a few Oh No!s the Kool-Aid man bursts through the wall and shouts.... "OH YEAH!!"

[the true duke]

that and the other episode where peter wrights smut books, bust through the cool-aid mans home.

cool-aid man: wow that is really annoying seeing that in my perspective.

[Micki!]

*cough*
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[Otto von Keisinger]

I've always pictured the Kool-Aid Man as a bit of a comic book villan

i killed the cool-aid man, drank him to death.
I find definistration to be at once simpler and much more conducive to one's health.

Don't forgot about the Tv he dropped on his head.
I figured I didn't want to harm Commando Nukem anymore than already did. The Kool-Aid Man was already shattered into a thousand pieces; it would have been beyond even me to make a TV harm him further.

[Xerxes]

The MS paperclip should be the end boss...

First you fight proton, then you go into the next room where his family fights you, then their families fight you, and proton's grampa tells you that you're a dumbass(for no real reason, just calling you a dumbass) and that the paperclip pissed the alien king off to death(I.E. he used it for a minute and commited suicide) and used his army to invade Earth because it's a bastard.

[the true duke]

why not have the stay-puff marshmellow man then.

[The Red Slaughter]

Kool-Aid man? KOOL! Maybe Duke needs to drink him to death, but he needs a hole with leaking drink, so he have to do a hole, Duke-style.

[Telee]

I would love to have Proton back, I never played the first two Dukes though (although I should) :p

[The Red Slaughter]

Yeah, me too. But it's nice to have revenge.

And if Proton comes, no lame floating chair. Instead, give to Proton some Alien Armor, a true wonder of military tecnology and some HEAVY FIREPOWER. Or some mech, or something. Just make him TOUGH!

[hell-angel]

Although a boss fight with an aliens that can fly is something different then the standing bosses you normally get. :)

[Micki!]

Yes, but a boss in some chair, firing stuf at you is kinda... meh imo...

Personally, i'd want to see a boss (Proton..?!) wearing some sort of battle armor, a really big battle armor... And it's not supposed to be the old kind of "slow moving with high firepower" boss... It should be a battle armor, that is just, if not, more agile than a human/Alien... So it should be able to move fast, and sidestep to avoid fire etc... That would be cool... Much better than the "big slow powerfull" boss kind... :mryuck:

[the true duke]

mechs should be left in mech warrior game.

personally i find it a joke when the last enemy is in a huge robot (metal gear sold is a exception, my first game thats why) that is so old and saturday morning cartoonish.

the last boss should be incredible strong and give duke a challenge. as i said before duke3d bosses were to easy to kill (they basically stand in the same spot for the whole boss battle, the queen being the easiest, even on the hardest difficulty).

how about something different rather than that of a one super oppenent, how about the last mission is literally a war (playing the mod, battlefiield 3 was AWESOME) it should be the last mission and there is one boss in the whole middle thing.

you got different ways to do this:

fly a jet (but being constanly shot at by flyers can get annoying)
using a tank (constantly shot at will wear armor)
on foot (get your ass handed to you)
using a mech desighed for you (nah makes it to easy)

or you could whine and say no thats to hard i dont want that,

[Reaper]

mechs should be left in mech warrior game......

....how about the last mission is literally a war (playing the mod, battlefiield 3 was AWESOME) it should be the last mission and there is one boss in the whole middle thing.

you got different ways to do this:

fly a jet (but being constanly shot at by flyers can get annoying)
using a tank (constantly shot at will wear armor)
on foot (get your ass handed to you)
using a mech desighed for you (nah makes it to easy)
right... just admit that mechs are cool.

I doubt another mechwarrior game will come to fruition (MW4 was a flop, and Mech Assault 1/2 sold much better). All the other "mechwarrior" type games use names like HERCs, HOUNDs, etc. and they're all acronyms for something. It's really stupid. That, and most of them play like arcade games.