Sony advertisement draws critisism

[Mongorian]

Gamespot (http://www.gamespot.com/news/6153643.html) and other gaming sites have been talking about this. I find the advertisement tactless and insulting. How about you? :)

[Dave-ros]

This has got to be a hoax, even Sony couldn't be that stupid... could they?! :o

[0marTheZealot]

Has to be fake, no company is that stupid....

[Paroxysm]

It's not fake. It's been all over the net the last few days. Drawing criticism in print press as well.

[someguy2435]

No, it's quite real. There's also been a photoshopped version of it with a KKK costume on the girl.

[Wolle]

How could they not know what they were doing with that ad? This is stupid. :doh:

[Laz]

What a stupid ad. This,however, made me laugh(first reply to the article):


well enough is enough, i said already, if u have a problem kill Leland Yee
SONY did nothing wrong, but being ahead of everyone, as always!!! SONY is the KING, it's a SONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

p.s. Ices100, must be a uneducated elder or a minor can't afford school, either way, u r not getting the point!!! And trust me, SONY doesnt need you to make money, cuz after all, SONY is for smart, successful people who have money!!!!!!!!!! guess u r none of the above, and that makes u.... well let's play hide and u can go yourself.....................

That post is kind of sad.

[Synti]

Jesus, I'm not black but even I'm offended.

[Micki!]

What a stupid ad. This,however, made me laugh(first reply to the article):



That post is kind of sad.

Yeah, it's sad, and funny at the same time, when reading the user comments over there...

Stupidity among the community is not a rare thing at Gamespot, unfortunetely...
That's why i barely post there at all anymore... It's too damn hard to find sane people there...:(

[Beelze]

Now that we know video games are the cause for modern day racism, Jack Thompson's having a field day.

[IwantMORE]

"was designed to show the contrast between the colors of the new and old PSPs"

Errr one is black and the other is white. Big ****ing difference.

[NetNessie]

Now that we know video games are the cause for modern day racism, Jack Thompson's having a field day.

He doesn't even have his license any more, he won't be causing any more troubles for the game industry.

[RedSplat]

There are three versions.
'White dominating black', 'black dominating white' and 'black and white equal'.
So what's the ****ing problem?
Benetton used similar style advertising. It's just to show contrast.

Aren't the black and white version PSP's identical on the inside??

If you really aren't a racist you should just see two humans and not even react to the fact that one is black and one is white. :confused:

[Twin]

[QUOTE=RedSplat]There are three versions.
'White dominating black', 'black dominating white' and 'black and white equal'.
So what's the ****ing problem?[QUOTE=Redsplat]

i think the problem is how people will react to it at first glance...i mean it's blantantly obvious that there will be people that take offense to things like this (i personally don't) and to be honest, the world has alot of it's own problems to deal with without the need of this advertising campaign to add some more...

i'd fully understand the reasons behind this advert if people weren't easily offended but the fact is that some people are and there was no need to use skin colour to advertise there product...

but to be honest i just think Sony have done this purposly to get some free advertising (kind of like Wii)...and well, it's done the trick :p

[Detharin]

A. In america we have freedom of speech and frankly the entire outcry is freaking stupid. Want racism to go away stop acting like skin matters.

B. This ad campaign didnt even run in america, it ran in the netherlands. People are getting pissed off over something they will never see. Want to guess how much the people who actually have to look at the ad care? I bet very little.

God i hate people.

[Yenji]

Although this is a pretty stupid ad (they should have known better) it is still kind of sad that people take this in a racist way. I bet no one would have kicked up a fuss if the colours were reversed.

Sad thing is in today's world all advertisements, commercials, etc, must show the minorities as the winner, smart person or person with the upper hand in order not to be labeled racist. There comes a point when you have to realize that some things have gone on too far.

[Denz]

And if it was in netherland, then it's sony europe to blame, not sony japan. I wonder if it's the same ad in japan.

[Orochi Avlis]

A. In america we have freedom of speech and frankly the entire outcry is freaking stupid. Want racism to go away stop acting like skin matters.
Quoted for truth.

People need to let the past go.

[Cleric]

A. In america we have freedom of speech and frankly the entire outcry is freaking stupid. Want racism to go away stop acting like skin matters.

B. This ad campaign didnt even run in america, it ran in the netherlands. People are getting pissed off over something they will never see. Want to guess how much the people who actually have to look at the ad care? I bet very little.

God i hate people.


*applause*

[jimbob]

There are three versions.
'White dominating black', 'black dominating white' and 'black and white equal'.
So what's the ****ing problem?
Benetton used similar style advertising. It's just to show contrast.

Aren't the black and white version PSP's identical on the inside??

If you really aren't a racist you should just see two humans and not even react to the fact that one is black and one is white. :confused:not only that, but people are only complaining about the white dominating black, effectively making thier complaints plain racist ( because its aparently ok for black to dominate white )

all in all, this complining stuff is BS.

[Gatinater]

I see what there intent was. Whorish women are always used to advertise and the PSP is white. So she is white, completly white like a statue.

I don't think there was any way they could have done this right. If it was an african or latina girl as a white statue that would make people feel whitie is trying to convert them into white people.

Makes you wonder if the PSP and statue were black would anyone have noticed.

They should have gone with a non human color. Like purple or green or silver. I'm sure "PURPLE IS COMMING" Wouldn't have offend anyone. Maybe people with sun burns, but that would be it.

[Ivan]

Here we go again, making a big deal out of nothing. It was suposed to be artistic, which it is, and to draw attention, but not the kind of "racial" attention it got. Anyways, this advertisement is not coming to America, for sure.

[Gatinater]

Just add *DEAL WITh IT, PUNK!!* to "White is here" and replace the woman with a statue of Hitler. I'bet that would make Sony's PSP a hit.

[IwantMORE]

A. In america we have freedom of speech and frankly the entire outcry is freaking stupid.

We have freedom of speech over here to and in many countries and you are a total stupid moron, who's views obvously don't count for jack shit. You don't understand anything and should not post crap up on the internet is you can't think.....

I have the freedom to write that, and don't mean it, but if I posted something like that and did mean it I would be the stupid ignorant one...

The adverts are of the typical kind now, what has the advert got to do with PSP's, games or even Sony. Absoultely nothing at all...

Sony are almost certainaly worried that the DS is out selling the PSP 2-1 even the GBA is outselling the PSP. So the obvious answer make a contrversial advert. That will shift more.

[IceColdDuke]

I think it is artistic and you guys are making a big deal of nothing, I didn't find anything offencive in that ad what so ever besides that chick is horriblly hairy and uglly.

[Dave-ros]

Ah, okay, if there's other versions, that's not so bad. But if it had been two women of the same (or indeterminate) race, one wearing white clothes and one wearing black clothes, it wouldn't have been a problem (except to morons who think the bad cowboy wearing a black hat, calling someone "black-hearted", or even the word "blackboard", is racist :p).

If this is just a publicity stunt, maybe the same is true of the rumour about them forbidding 2nd-hand game sales -- maybe they started it themselves so they could dispel it later and look cool...

What do I care, I'm not getting a console :tinyted:

[Opus131]

You can't take away racism from black people, it's all they got... :o

[IceColdDuke]

You can't take away racism from black people, it's all they got... :o

Then what will they bitch about :).

[NutWrench]

Assemblyman Leland Yee and the San Jose/Silicon Valley chapter of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) have made their feelings on the issue known.

An organization that calls itself the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People makes accusations of racism. Oh, the irony.

[Gatinater]

Then what will they bitch about :). That's actually a good question. What would our fellow negros complain about?

[Cassius2]

Racism is as real an issue as any form of prejudice and as lawful as any form of action. If we try to kill Bin Laden, why don’t the blacks try to kill us? Because like prejudice against old people, the issue is too old for us to live with but we have to. We can’t get rid of racism so we help to color in the issues and show our slight of hand tricks through the help of associations like the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP.)

This was a joke, for the color impared.

[Mongorian]

An organization that calls itself the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People makes accusations of racism. Oh, the irony.

They have been around since that was an common term for black people.

I didn't find the ad offensive for being racist, although it does walk a fine line. My beef is that they are clearly trying to get people's attention through something that is racially motivated, and the ad is more than a little tactless.

They could have easily had a black person and a white person in the ad and kept it tasteful, while still making their point.

[Cassius2]

What happened to drazula? Isn't this the sort of thing he'd love to post in? *big fan of his* :D

[Phayzon]

Big fscking deal. A white colored (lol) psp. Just one more peice of shit to stock shelves with. Nintendo (IIRC) didnt bother advertising the Blue DS, but it still sells..

[jimbob]

you people also seem to forget that there is more than one ad, its not just "White is here" There is also a black version and an Black and white version.

but, if i were to ask people to "Pleace remove the Black Dominates White" Poster i`d be a racist and be compared to hitler, but, this is perfectly O.K aparently. iether Ban the entire comercial or not at all.

[ADM]

They should have used the color of people as their image for this ad, that is wrong regardless of if you are racist or not. The ad itself is racist, not the people complaining about it.

I think it's a very stupid move by Sony.

[jimbob]

i am just pissed of because of this stupid double standard that comes with these complaints.

Offtopic : i am trying to find all the add images but i cant find a decent source.

[edit]http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/9261/sonyad2tl.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

here are the 2 images, i think there was a third showing them side by side or something.

[Mongorian]

There is a double standard for a reason.

[jimbob]

There is a double standard for a reason.
its called hypocisy

[Mongorian]

It's called hundreds of years of oppression? Do you think the world or people just recover overnight from such a thing?

[jimbob]

so many people have been oppressed in the past, if we`d all cling on to that everybody would hate eachother.

entire continents were once opressed, colonised exploited yet most of those work in harmony now in the curent world. its just one pretty specific group these days that seem to find it to be O.K to do the stuff they hate us for.
so, in 60 years the roles wil be reversed once again?

[Mongorian]

I'm not going to debate this issue.

[Tang Lung]

It's called hundreds of years of oppression? Do you think the world or people just recover overnight from such a thing?

They won't if they keep going on about it.

[Nessus]

I think Sony ad execs were hoping for exactly this reaction, they had to know what would happen and they got what they wanted.

To me racial sensitivities are getting worse and worse the more politically correct we get and the more we force a double standard on our population. Just look at the N word, we have been hearing for 20 years how rappers say it because "it takes back the power, and we own it and blah blah blah." But meanwhile people are more sensitive to that word now than ever, even going into fits upon hearing it.

[Odin]

He doesn't even have his license any more, he won't be causing any more troubles for the game industry.

He doesn't? Awesome.

[Steve]

Sony didn't have their thinking caps on when they designed that ad... :eek:

[ShadeEX]

Damn that ad is offencive and that comment on gamespot is even sadder ,,,

could you even get more stupid.. :doh: :confused:

[Gatinater]

It's called hundreds of years of oppression? Do you think the world or people just recover overnight from such a thing?

Recover? Who has lived for hundreds of years and been oppressed all at the same time? I didn't realize the sensation of oppresion is hereditary.

What does the oppresion of a deceased generation have to do with today's generation? They were never oppressed, so what the hell would they know about oppression? And why do they have any right to complain about it? It doesn't effect them and none of us are responsible for what some other generation has done. Stop blaming the child for the father's mistakes.

You know what the negro community refers to a another negro whom makes something of his or herself, one that has a legitiment high paying and prestigous job with a respectful demeanor, mannerisms and good attitude towards everyone? They are called an uncle Tom or an oreo. suggesting becoming a success makes them a traitor.

It's all excuses, something to blame their failures on and sooth their frustrations.

They should have used the color of people as their image for this ad, that is wrong regardless of if you are racist or not. The ad itself is racist, not the people complaining about it.

I think it's a very stupid move by Sony.
Yes, that's the impression I got. I think you forgot *not*

[0marTheZealot]

Holy ****ing shit. It must be nice to middle class white folk, because you'll never have to "talk right" to get a job.

For the record, I am half-black half-Pakistani and let me tell you something, racism is very much alive today in America. We don't get handouts, sorry to say this. Have you ever had people cross the street because you are walking towards them? Or how about having people sneer down at you at work? Or change how you fundementally walk, talk and act just to hold down a job? Or be told that "your type of music" is not welcome in the workplace? Or be questioned by the police randomly for wearing a dark hoody? My own dad couldn't even vote in the last election because, and I quote, "your voter registration card doesn't look right", even though the person RIGHT NEXT TO HIM (white I might add) had the exact same card, and he was a citizen of the US for over 30 years I told him to drop it, simply because I didn't want us to get kicked out of the library and get arrested.

So just telling us to get over it implies that racism/discrimination is long gone. I wish it were the case, but it's simply not. You people have some strange ideas on how the world works, sorry to say this.

[GodBlitZor]

In regards to the ad-

JOIN THE MANY, THE MANY ARE STRONG!


Racism wouldnt be a problem if people were offended by it. Hell, Im a large mix of races. If people call me a ******. If people call me a chink. If people call me a honkey. If people call my any racist name, it doesnt bother me. Honestly. Dont be offended by it. If you let them get to you, theyre winning.

[Detharin]

Well thats the thing, ads are designed to get attention and bring about product recognition. People see the ad and it gets stuck in their heads and Sony hopes you buy their product. This is not an american ad, so why are americans getting uppity?

Should we complain about all the risque ads that run overseas for some of our favorite products? Nope, noone cares. Soon as race becomes an issue though its all over the media.

Youd almost think people didnt want racism to go away the way its treated in the media.

[Sang]

If you let them get to you, theyre winning.

There's no such thing as "winning" when it comes to racism. In fact, everyone looses. The one that's insulted might get hurt by those comments and the "insulter" looks like an ass.

Anyways, I don't give a crap wether the PSP is black, white or yellow. Why is the sudden change of colours considered to be racist? It seems people are overly sensitive on these parts "omg we shouldn't use black people in our ads because it might look racist".

Well, whatever.

[Paroxysm]

I like how she's wearing an upside down crucifix :)

The ad might have survived on artistic grounds if it didn't suck

[Gatinater]

Discrimination is not oppression. We all go through discrimination. People avoid me on the street because I'm tall and broad, I'm always profiled as a thug. Like I'm going to attack someone or rob them because being large makes me an action movie villian or something. I've been trailed in stores and accussed of theft. I've had jobs turned down because it was clear they didn't like me for some reason. I once got a job only because my friends worked there. If it wasn't for my friends managment would have never hired me. According to my friends Their boss assumed me to be trouble because I look like trouble.

I've been accused of assault, trafficing drugs and "well he's big" or "He looks like a dealer" always seemed to brilliant to them, even though they never had any evidence or proof of any sort. But they just took the chance and profiled me on a hunch.

Many people are *******s and some use their authority or position to give people they don't like a hard time, but that doesn't mean a country wide oppression is in effect.

People avoid you, they avoid me, so what? You have been harrassed and I have been harassed. You have been profiled by race and I have been profiled by stature and appearance.

I had to practice my dialogue and start speaking properly, use less slang and jive because it wasn't leaving a good impression. You have to play the role at times, because people are narrow minded and only understand
sterotypes. So you must be what they want to see. That's why they have the tendancy to underestimate people. They base intellect on sterotype.

Maybe when people look away or walk away real fast when they see is because they are shy not affraid of your race.

Can't escape discrimination nor racism, but you don't have to play their game.

[Cassius2]

^That sounds about right.

When I used to wear black and grow my hair out I had a mother drag her child away from me in Wal-Mart, admittedly the isle was empty and it was at night. There’s no sensible need for me to dress in black but since are reasons for me not to and because these reasons are sensible I don’t anymore. I also don’t grow my hair out as much as I used to. People usually have a good reason for what they do; at least, most people believe they have a good reason.

[Mongorian]

Recover? Who has lived for hundreds of years and been oppressed all at the same time? I didn't realize the sensation of oppresion is hereditary.

What does the oppresion of a deceased generation have to do with today's generation? They were never oppressed, so what the hell would they know about oppression? And why do they have any right to complain about it? It doesn't effect them and none of us are responsible for what some other generation has done. Stop blaming the child for the father's mistakes.

You know what the negro community refers to a another negro whom makes something of his or herself, one that has a legitiment high paying and prestigous job with a respectful demeanor, mannerisms and good attitude towards everyone? They are called an uncle Tom or an oreo. suggesting becoming a success makes them a traitor.

It's all excuses, something to blame their failures on and sooth their frustrations.

Uhh...I'm not sure what prompted all this, but okay. :) What does any of this have to do with Sony, their advertisement, or anything anyone has posted? I get it Gatinater: White guilt has nothing on you! But it also has nothing to do with this discussion.

[XPM]

I wear Black, I wear red and I wear White...

Personally I think it all fits me...And I grow my hair out...Its 'O so going to be longer.

To be frank...I dont give a flying **** about what people think about me. People who judge me based on my apperances wouldnt make good friends either way. I have never judged anyone based on their apperances. Respect is the key word here.

[Opus131]

It's called hundreds of years of oppression? Do you think the world or people just recover overnight from such a thing?

Excuses, nothing more. It still doesn't justify double standards and the constant under achievements and total lack of efford from the black community as a whole, all in the name of 'racism' and 'oppression'.

Frankly, i'm sick the tired of hearing about it.

[Mongorian]

You are pretty good at generalizing things, opus. Music, games, people. :)

[XPM]

Well..He is right.

When I look at someone thats coloured I dont think...Thats a black person. All I see is a person..Now I know some coloured people that all they do is go around and talk shit about white people. But as soon as somebody says anything bad about them they go on about oppression. Im sick and tired about it too.

EDIT: And its all over multimedia too and has been for years. I wish people could stop being such douche bags...People that complain so much about the oppression should join a ****ing tea party. Stand up..be a man..Dont look at the past only look at the future and the good things it will bring.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Apply to a university here in the states the more of a minority you are the better chance you have of having a free ride.

[Mongorian]

Quit tempting me to post!

The problem isn't that it is racist. It isn't that people are accusing it of being racist. To me, the problem is that Sony made this ad the way they did so exactly THIS would happen. It's sneaky, and playing off of racial tensions (not necesarrily mine); I have not been accusing people of being racist, but I have to wonder how anyone can look at that ad and think there is nothing wrong with it. The whole point of it is to stir shit up for no good reason. They could have shown a white and black person in this ad, and illustrated their point, without stirring up shit.

I asked to lock this thread. I disagree with giving someone more opportunity because of the color of their skin. But i absolutely hate how every time black people come up on these forums they are either classified as gangster thugs who abuse women or being given a free ride through the system.

[XPM]

There is ofcourse ...something wrong with the ad.. Im just saying that if the ad was of a black person pinning down a white person..Nobody would have reacted

Yet it would have been just as bad.

[Opus131]

Holy ****ing shit. It must be nice to middle class white folk, because you'll never have to "talk right" to get a job.

For the record, I am half-black half-Pakistani and let me tell you something, racism is very much alive today in America. We don't get handouts, sorry to say this. Have you ever had people cross the street because you are walking towards them? Or how about having people sneer down at you at work? Or change how you fundementally walk, talk and act just to hold down a job? Or be told that "your type of music" is not welcome in the workplace? Or be questioned by the police randomly for wearing a dark hoody? My own dad couldn't even vote in the last election because, and I quote, "your voter registration card doesn't look right", even though the person RIGHT NEXT TO HIM (white I might add) had the exact same card, and he was a citizen of the US for over 30 years I told him to drop it, simply because I didn't want us to get kicked out of the library and get arrested.

So just telling us to get over it implies that racism/discrimination is long gone. I wish it were the case, but it's simply not. You people have some strange ideas on how the world works, sorry to say this.

Well, to be frank, if black culture wasn't so ****ing culturally bankrupt (the irony), maybe half of those problems would disappear, wouldn't you think? Do you really believe everybody gives less then a crap about race anymore?

This is a cultural clash, it has nothing to do with skin color or race, i'm sorry to say.

No workplace i ever been to would accept a tatoo clad foul mouthed head banging white boy playing loud metal music during his job, why should they make an exception to black people when their cultural values are equally socially unacceptable? Why should we be subjected to your stupid walk, your shitty, obnoxious music and your uneducated idiom or be slapped in the face with the racist card? When was the last time a black individual was free to pursue highter cultural and social values as well as try to abtain an highter education without being accused of acting too 'white'? Since when being white equals getting a colledge degree and speaking REAL english?

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Well it was done in the Netherlands for one. Looking at the demographics about 22,000 africans live there, mabye more but they arent classified. The ad never touched the US, you will never see it on a bill board your self.

[Mongorian]

Holy ****ing shit. It must be nice to middle class white folk, because you'll never have to "talk right" to get a job.

For the record, I am half-black half-Pakistani and let me tell you something, racism is very much alive today in America. We don't get handouts, sorry to say this. Have you ever had people cross the street because you are walking towards them? Or how about having people sneer down at you at work? Or change how you fundementally walk, talk and act just to hold down a job? Or be told that "your type of music" is not welcome in the workplace? Or be questioned by the police randomly for wearing a dark hoody? My own dad couldn't even vote in the last election because, and I quote, "your voter registration card doesn't look right", even though the person RIGHT NEXT TO HIM (white I might add) had the exact same card, and he was a citizen of the US for over 30 years I told him to drop it, simply because I didn't want us to get kicked out of the library and get arrested.

So just telling us to get over it implies that racism/discrimination is long gone. I wish it were the case, but it's simply not. You people have some strange ideas on how the world works, sorry to say this.

I think omar is more of authority on this issue than myself or opus will ever be. I haven't been accusing anyone of being a racist in this thread, but opus, you're quite plainly saying that all black people are loud, obnoxious and arrogant. Your hatred for anything that doesn't fit into your small view of the world is disgusting.

[Opus131]

You are pretty good at generalizing things, opus. Music, games, people. :)

As if yours wasn't a generalization..

How many sub-urban black kids have learned about slavery and oppression in school books and have no experience whatsoever of the alleged social swamp mmany black people are forced to endure today?

Not every black person is affected by the past, but many still think they can whine about it.

Way to go in pulling a double standard yourself...

[Mongorian]

How many sub-urban black kids have learned about slavery and oppression in school books and have no experience whatsoever of the alleged social swamp many black people are forced to endure today?

None, according to you.

[Paroxysm]

The ad is designed to create offence because it is meaningless otherwise.

A more clever ad would have been a black girl wearing white crotchless panites and a white girl wearing black ones in a 69. http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/images/icons/yingyang.gif "White is comming" indeed.

[Mongorian]

The ad is designed to create offence because it is meaningless otherwise.

Exactly. And it wasn't I who turned this into a white guilt debate.

[Opus131]

I think omar is more of authority on this issue than myself or opus will ever be. I haven't been accusing anyone of being a racist in this thread, but opus, you're quite plainly saying that all black people are loud, obnoxious and arrogant. Your hatred for anything that doesn't fit into your small view of the world is disgusting.

Bullshit, it was obvious what Homar was referring to, who are you trying to fool?

I'm not accusing all black people of being loud, obnoxious and arrongant, i'm accusing the loud, obnoxious and arrogant ones of trying to pass off their behavior as a cultural paragrim and then expect us to simply deal with it or be labelled as racists.

[GodBlitZor]

Discrimination is not oppression. We all go through discrimination. People avoid me on the street because I'm tall and broad, I'm always profiled as a thug. Like I'm going to attack someone or rob them because being large makes me an action movie villian or something. I've been trailed in stores and accussed of theft. I've had jobs turned down because it was clear they didn't like me for some reason. I once got a job only because my friends worked there. If it wasn't for my friends managment would have never hired me. According to my friends Their boss assumed me to be trouble because I look like trouble.

I've been accused of assault, trafficing drugs and "well he's big" or "He looks like a dealer" always seemed to brilliant to them, even though they never had any evidence or proof of any sort. But they just took the chance and profiled me on a hunch.

Many people are *******s and some use their authority or position to give people they don't like a hard time, but that doesn't mean a country wide oppression is in effect.

People avoid you, they avoid me, so what? You have been harrassed and I have been harassed. You have been profiled by race and I have been profiled by stature and appearance.

I had to practice my dialogue and start speaking properly, use less slang and jive because it wasn't leaving a good impression. You have to play the role at times, because people are narrow minded and only understand
sterotypes. So you must be what they want to see. That's why they have the tendancy to underestimate people. They base intellect on sterotype.

Maybe when people look away or walk away real fast when they see is because they are shy not affraid of your race.

Can't escape discrimination nor racism, but you don't have to play their game.

Exactly. I mean, Ive shaved my hair and I get weird looks from some people.:doh:

[Imfamous]

you're quite plainly saying that all black people are loud, obnoxious and arrogant.

He said no such thing and you know it. According to your comprehension, he also just said all whites are "tatoo clad foul mouthed head banging white boy playing loud metal music during his job.":)

That said, I think the ad is offensive and unacceptable. It drives a wedge between races, stirring up racial tensions and hate, neither of which are good. Repulsive.

[Opus131]

None, according to you.

All, according to you.

Also, that gives them the right to do nothing about it (other then blame the rest of us), apparently. Right?

I think omar is more of authority on this issue than myself or opus will ever be.

Why? We live in the same bloody country, don't we?

[Mongorian]

Where the hell are you getting this? I COMPLETELY AGREE that there are black people, (loud and obnoxious ones even!) that use oppression of their ancestors as an excuse for their day to day failings. I COMPLETELY AGREE that it isn't entirely fair that people of other ethnicities are offered more opportunities than others. I worked with a black guy who used to be a drug dealer in L.A., and was eventually fired for stealing from the store. He played the race card when he was fired. On the other hand, my best friend is black, and he never goes to live theatre with me. He doesn't feel welcome. People may not call him foul names but old white men and women look at him with nervous eyes. To say there aren't snobs (OPUS! OPUS!) who look with a grimace at black people or are suspicious of them (GATINATER! GATINATER!) is just arrogant.

Now could one person justify the design of the ad? Because mongo doesn't get it and you all seem to.

[Opus131]

Now could one person justify the design of the ad? Because mongo doesn't get it and you all seem to.

Well, mongo here was not concerned about the ad and was not in the least interested in discussing that particular point since the controvery that followed was much more compelling, but if you want to know what i think about the subject, i believe the ad justifies itself in on the grounds it's not degrading to either blacks nor whites...

[GodBlitZor]

Who the hell said the ad was justified? Anyways, another story that proves racism isnt only "white".

My brother had one a spelling bee fair and sqaure. Then a black girl's family jumped up screaming racism. The word was OBVIOUSLY wrong from her spelling. She left with the trophy that day.

[Mongorian]

We live in the same country opus, but all the communities in the country may not be as minded as you think yours is.

We can all agree we have seen the different sides of the racism coin. There are more than two. Like I said, I asked to close this thread because it has gotten to that point of no return.

[Mountain Man]

Well, I think political correctness run amuck has done its fair share of harm to society, but from a marketing standpoint, that ad is suicide.

[Mountain Man]

It's called hundreds of years of oppression? Do you think the world or people just recover overnight from such a thing?
Few of the folks screaming about "oppression" these days have ever actually experienced it.

[John]

Excuses, nothing more. It still doesn't justify double standards and the constant under achievements and total lack of efford from the black community as a whole, all in the name of 'racism' and 'oppression'.



If that isn't irony I dont know what is.

Yes Opus, what you see and judge happens to be the "Black community as a whole" . :rolleyes: Get a clue man.


PS: The ad's lame.

[Opus131]

Yes Opus, what you see and judge happens to be the "Black community as a whole" .


What difference does it make if it's not all of them, exactly?

[avatar_58]

Heres what I think - Sony was stupid and naive to think the ad wouldn't cause outrage and everyone is overreacting to a firggen billboard.

In the end technically they won considering you all paid attention and are talking about it.

[0marTheZealot]

Well, to be frank, if black culture wasn't so ****ing culturally bankrupt (the irony), maybe half of those problems would disappear, wouldn't you think? Do you really believe everybody gives less then a crap about race anymore?

This is a cultural clash, it has nothing to do with skin color or race, i'm sorry to say.

No workplace i ever been to would accept a tatoo clad foul mouthed head banging white boy playing loud metal music during his job, why should they make an exception to black people when their cultural values are equally socially unacceptable? Why should we be subjected to your stupid walk, your shitty, obnoxious music and your uneducated idiom or be slapped in the face with the racist card? When was the last time a black individual was free to pursue highter cultural and social values as well as try to abtain an highter education without being accused of acting too 'white'? Since when being white equals getting a colledge degree and speaking REAL english?


You know what. Go **** yourself. You have no idea what it's like at all. You're just a whiteboy from the suburbs who's mommy and daddy provides him with everything. You'll never face discrimination ever in your life. You're just a sheltered little ****head white-pride having mother****er that thinks he knows everything about the world but in reality doesn't know ****ing shit because the closest thing you ever came to hardship was your iPod running out of batteries. You don't know the first thing about black culture other than what the media shoves down your throat. Go **** yourself.

Are there people who abuse the race-card? Yes, of course. Are there genuine cases of racism, subtle and overt? Yes. I'll get over race when it doesn't matter. For someone that isn't white or Asian, you are first and foremost colored in the eyes of most Americans. Then you are an American. I don't have bad, I never once said that. Black people have made great strides, but you'll never learn about that because the media (print and televised) focuses on the negatives.

This is probably going to get me banned for a week or more, but some things had to be said.

[Laz]

Since when being white equals getting a colledge degree and speaking REAL english?

Alright.

[Detharin]

I just treat every person i meet as a unique individual. Those loud obnoxious idiots tend to make themselves hated regardless of skin color.

My response to the race card is, as always

"Stupid isnt a race."

[avatar_58]

Are there people who abuse the race-card?

Unfortunately you've stooped to that level. Look man I realize he offended you but there was no need to outburst like that.

[MegaMustaine]

Omar, I would like to say that there are always going to be people better off than you and always going to be people worse off than you so deal with it. There are just as many poor white people as there are black people here in the US. Everyone here holds the reigns to their destiny and if you don't believe that you are just using those reigns to make yourself believe that.

Tasteless or not I see a lot of publicity, which in my opinion means the ad guy is doing his job.

[Komb.at]

Warning!
My opinion:
Racist is who differs between races. People complaining about this add are the one who only see the difference in color. People ignoring and accepting the add are the ones ignoring and acceping color of skin. Does that make the people who scream "racism" rasists themselves? i think so ...

and that's MY opinition which i won't discuss any further. :P

[ADM]

Topic closed as per request of original topic creator.