Are 360 users going to have to pay for a new map pack while PC users get it free?

[SpaceInsomniac]

I know I read that more multiplayer maps are on their way, so I'd love to hear a developer answer this one. I'm still thinking about buying Prey, and knowing that my 60 dollars would be a one time deal would sure help push me towards a purchase.

It just seems wrong when 360 users have to not only pay more than the PC version, but they they have to pay for the bonus content, as well.

[0marTheZealot]

I hope so :P

[avatar_58]

Oh well, sucks to be 360 owners. Frankly I'm a little pissed that Oblivion's add-ons cost money just because of microsoft's stupid attempt to nickle and dime customers with this 'live marketplace' horseshit. Whatever happened to expansions? Oh sorry...thats not being fair to the console owners? Why the hell does the PC *have* to stoop to console rules but not vice versa?

Sorry but I just find the whole thing ridiculous with xbox live trying to force rules onto the PC platform. What next I have to pay monthly to play multiplayer for games on windows? No thanks.

[CodyLamp]

Oh well, sucks to be 360 owners. Frankly I'm a little pissed that Oblivion's add-ons cost money just because of microsoft's stupid attempt to nickle and dime customers with this 'live marketplace' horseshit. Whatever happened to expansions? Oh sorry...thats not being fair to the console owners? Why the hell does the PC *have* to stoop to console rules but not vice versa?

Sorry but I just find the whole thing ridiculous with xbox live trying to force rules onto the PC platform. What next I have to pay monthly to play multiplayer for games on windows? No thanks.
Actually it was Bethesdas Idea to charge PC gamers too.

[avatar_58]

Of course, but I'll give you three guesses why they did that. If it weren't for marketplace they probably would have made expansions like they did in the past.

A full expansion is just barely worth its price, so little upgrades are even worse.

[Fyrus Dakren]

Oh well, sucks to be 360 owners. Frankly I'm a little pissed that Oblivion's add-ons cost money just because of microsoft's stupid attempt to nickle and dime customers with this 'live marketplace' horseshit. Whatever happened to expansions? Oh sorry...thats not being fair to the console owners? Why the hell does the PC *have* to stoop to console rules but not vice versa?

Sorry but I just find the whole thing ridiculous with xbox live trying to force rules onto the PC platform. What next I have to pay monthly to play multiplayer for games on windows? No thanks.

PCers get mods, ability to better tune graphice, ability to make loading times a little bit shorter, etc.


I have Oblivion for the 360 and I am perfectly happy with it. The last add on, Mehrunes Razor, was amazing and worth the price if you ask me.

Of course, but I'll give you three guesses why they did that. If it weren't for marketplace they probably would have made expansions like they did in the past.

A full expansion is just barely worth its price, so little upgrades are even worse.

Wasn't that only two reasons?

[DarkReyule]

I don't mind it al all, that's what the marketplace is all about!

[avatar_58]

PCers get mods, ability to better tune graphice, ability to make loading times a little bit shorter, etc.


This wasn't a contest or a console debate, I'm simply stating that I feel marketplace is starting to affect PC games.

[hell-angel]

Everything about consoles is affecting PC games nowadays. It is a bad development IMO. :(

[qwerty]

If they try to charge us for the maps (dont try making up stuff again like MS dictates the price) I will never buy a 3drealms game again :mad:

Im already pissed about the themes :mad:
and paying for dm maps while pc players get them free would seriously make me hate 3dr :mad:

I hope it wont happen :(

[Orochi Avlis]

qwerty, blame Microsoft and not 3DR. MS runs the network.

Us PC users shouldn't be bogged down because of console users. And I agree with avatar on all accounts.

[Denz]

If they try to charge us for the maps (dont try making up stuff again like MS dictates the price) I will never buy a 3drealms game again :mad:

Im already pissed about the themes :mad:
and paying for dm maps while pc players get them free would seriously make me hate 3dr :mad:

I hope it wont happen :(


Yeah, and the apocalypse will be because of 3DRealms.

[tkmaster]

Oh well, sucks to be 360 owners. Frankly I'm a little pissed that Oblivion's add-ons cost money just because of microsoft's stupid attempt to nickle and dime customers with this 'live marketplace' horseshit. Whatever happened to expansions? Oh sorry...thats not being fair to the console owners? Why the hell does the PC *have* to stoop to console rules but not vice versa?

Sorry but I just find the whole thing ridiculous with xbox live trying to force rules onto the PC platform. What next I have to pay monthly to play multiplayer for games on windows? No thanks.
actually also the pc version off the addons require money

[tkmaster]

qwerty, blame Microsoft and not 3DR. MS runs the network.

Us PC users shouldn't be bogged down because of console users. And I agree with avatar on all accounts.
acrtually major nelson said the developers of these addons are in full control of the price of the downloads
the downloads coule be offered for free if the developer so wished to

[Denz]

We are talking about addons that can last from 6 to 15 hours of more gameplay. Not only items or so.

[Orochi Avlis]

actually also the pc version off the addons require money
He knows that.You need to re-read all his posts to get his point.

[ATimson]

Everything about consoles is affecting PC games nowadays. It is a bad development IMO. :(
But not entirely unexpected, seeing as how the console market is larger and more profitable....

[helious]

I know you really really like to hate microsoft, but guys. This is 100% up to the developers..

If they want to, they have the posibility to charge players for the extra content..

I dont have a problem with it at all..
I sure understand why PC users feel that the Console world is affecting the PC world to much,.. I think thats a good thing... Give us live everywhere, and charge us for extra content.. The past 10 years we have been floating in free stuff. So we dont have any excuse at all to complain about HH charging Xbox live players for new maps (I hope they will charge PC gamers too, cause else i will share the same oppinion as the guy a few posts above).

[SpaceInsomniac]

I know you really really like to hate microsoft, but guys. This is 100% up to the developers..

If they want to, they have the posibility to charge players for the extra content..

I dont have a problem with it at all..
I sure understand why PC users feel that the Console world is affecting the PC world to much,.. I think thats a good thing... Give us live everywhere, and charge us for extra content.. The past 10 years we have been floating in free stuff. So we dont have any excuse at all to complain about HH charging Xbox live players for new maps (I hope they will charge PC gamers too, cause else i will share the same oppinion as the guy a few posts above).

First let me state that I have no problem for with the Oblivion paid downloads. If you don't want them, don't download them. If a new single player add-on is created that is about half the length of Prey, and about half the cost, that would be fine with me. Multiplayer is different.

I'm of the opinion that multiplayer content should always be free. If I'm playing a game online, I don't want to be forced to stop playing with someone just because they want to play a level I never bought. Paid multiplayer content just ends up dividing the community, and I feel it's always a mistake. It's even worse for console owners, because they've never been given a way to make their own content.

[8IronBob]

Well, that's one reason why I got the LCE for the PC, and not the X360. The X360 version that I got will just be standard through and through. I'm really gonna pamper the PC version far more than ever. The X360, well, I'll just keep playing it regular, and probably only late at night. Better hope that the map pack'll do better on the PC, IMHO.

[Blatzkowitz]

PC will always have an advantage over consoles with it comes to expansion packs/mods. The advantage is simple, users can make mods/maps on a PC.

Even if you'd have to pay for an expansion pack, say 10 levels. There would already be plenty of decent user made maps out there.

This is one reason games like counter-strike and RTCW are still being played today.

IMO the entire xbox live download system is a sales gimmick that fails to deliver. I can remember when xbox live first came out and they were talking about all the great things they would release. Most games never got releases and the ones who did werent played because people didnt want to pay for it.

The ability of PC users to craft their own mods and make new maps builds a game community and keeps people interested in the game.

IMO the console market is influencing the PC market. How many games do you see today that are made for console and then poorly ported to PC? Way more then there ever used to be. Good news is, Microsoft is soon advertising Windows Vista as the "greatest gaming platform". In other words, they will push windows more than consoles.

[avatar_58]

IMO the console market is influencing the PC market. How many games do you see today that are made for console and then poorly ported to PC? Way more then there ever used to be. Good news is, Microsoft is soon advertising Windows Vista as the "greatest gaming platform". In other words, they will push windows more than consoles.

Actually Vista is attempting to make playing 360 with PC gamers possible. It seems like they want to merge PC and console gaming, which is a horrible idea.....what will the point be of getting a PC for gaming when all the exclusives dissappear and all the console restrictions and rules are placed on the PC?

I hope microsoft is smarter than that, but who knows. We have to wait and see.

[Denz]

Give us live everywhere, and charge us for extra content..


Then i hope Macs will be the next gaming platform, i don't want to be charged for everything... Like i will pay for my avatar? Meh.

[Hot Top Fade]

The game only shipped with 8 maps. They are holding back content. They would only do that to make more money. It sucks, but thats the way it is now.

[iJtE]

8 seems fine. Better than Doom 3.

Holding back content? What evidence supports this?

[Fragger]

Buy a PC.

[FireFly]

It's entirely up to the developer whether to charge for any content that's released over Live. For example, several maps of the Halo 2 map pack were released for free, and then a few months later the entire map pack was released as a free download as well. The Booster Pack for BF2 was free on release, and contained 3 new maps and 4 new vehicles.

Live is really about giving console gamers the flexibility PC Gamers have had since the arrival of the internet. It's no more of a gimmick than the online systems we have in place for PC games. Xbox Live Marketplace has been a tremendous success and is used by 75% of connected users.

The game only shipped with 8 maps. They are holding back content. They would only do that to make more money. It sucks, but thats the way it is now.
Or they just have a small team and multiplayer wasn't their focus. The exact same situation applied to id when they made Doom 3.

[rhohan]

I know I read that more multiplayer maps are on their way, so I'd love to hear a developer answer this one. I'm still thinking about buying Prey, and knowing that my 60 dollars would be a one time deal would sure help push me towards a purchase.

It just seems wrong when 360 users have to not only pay more than the PC version, but they they have to pay for the bonus content, as well.

the xbox360 is an abomination. sucks to be a 360 owner. i refuse to pay too play online, and i would refuse to buy a map pack.

[tommygun]

yeah it is up to the creator to charge or not **bungie** let their maps go free

i dont see why anyone would want to charge for more things for their game unless it sold poorly witch i dont thin prey did

[iJtE]

the xbox360 is an abomination. sucks to be a 360 owner. i refuse to pay too play online, and i would refuse to buy a map pack.

I SECOND THAT NOTION!

I can't understand why you would pay to play online, on top of existing internet costs. It's outrageous. Without even the flexibility and power a PC can offer, you're getting seriously ripped off.

[Kornkaos]

its not really fair that it's just the 360 owners who have to pay. I understand the resoning behind paying, its for the extra man hours that went into creating them but i think Bethesda had the right idea on charging both 360 and PC. If you dont charge both it means that a group of 360 owners are actually paying so that the PC owners get it free. I think what they should do instead is price it lower for PC and 360. It makes more sence.

[Fragger]

I don't see the point of this thread.
PC:

Better graphics
Better controls
Free patches and new content (maps, mods, skins, models, etc).
Free game demos
Free Multiplayer
Plays all kinds of media (MP3, WMA, AVI, DVD, CD, TV)
Internet
You can even use it to run other programs when not playing.
Etc.

Console:

Crappy graphics
Crappy controls
Have to pay for extra content (IF available)
Have to pay for MP (IF available)
Plays DVD and CD (no other media)
When you're not playing, it becomes a nice doorstop.

I know a PC is a bit more expensive, but it's worth it and the difference is not that big.
PC>Consoles

[Kornkaos]

I don't see the point of this thread.
PC:

Better graphics
Better controls
Free patches and new content (maps, mods, skins, models, etc).
Free game demos
Free Multiplayer
Plays all kinds of media (MP3, WMA, AVI, DVD, CD, TV)
Internet
You can even use it to run other programs when not playing.
Etc.

Console:

Crappy graphics
Crappy controls
Have to pay for extra content (IF available)
Have to pay for MP (IF available)
Plays DVD and CD (no other media)
When you're not playing, it becomes a nice doorstop.

I know a PC is a bit more expensive, but it's worth it and the difference is not that big.
PC>Consoles
uhh bud, if console were so crappy then why do so many people have them? Some people dont like keyboard and mouse, me personally, i can't stand it. Next, the xbox 360 is actually stronger then most PC's on the market, it has more processing power then your pc probably does and your running windows. As well, the xbox 360 is cheaper then your computer probably was. Its good to have an opinion but you don't compare like that, say the best of PC and worst of console you noob.

[tommygun]

burn^

[Fragger]

uhh bud
Uh, wrong name.
if console were so crappy then why do so many people have them?
Because they're not computer literate, they can't afford them or both.
Some people dont like keyboard and mouse, me personally, i can't stand it.
Poor eye-hand coordination?
Next, the xbox 360 is actually stronger then most PC's on the market
Flea market maybe.
it has more processing power then your pc probably does and your running windows.
You lost me there. "Then"? My running windows?
Its good to have an opinion but you don't compare like that, say the best of PC and worst of console you noob.
It is good to have an opinion, but if somebody else's opinion differs from yours, you have no right to call them names. You should have learned that at home and not from me.

[Orochi Avlis]

Next, the xbox 360 is actually stronger then most PC's on the market,
Dell doesn't count. Those POS shouldn't be regarded as a PC. And any big chain PC, is as well, a POS in most cases. But when you get one custom built, it's just great. :)

it has more processing power then your pc probably does and your running windows.
Maybe, but mine runs games at a higher resolution and with more bells and whistles.

As well, the xbox 360 is cheaper then your computer probably was.
PC have other purposes besides gaming.;)


I tire of these console vs PC discussions. Let's get back on topic.

[hell-angel]

But not entirely unexpected, seeing as how the console market is larger and more profitable....
Doesn't make it any better though. :(

[SuperSaiyan4]

Uh, wrong name.

Because they're not computer literate, they can't afford them or both.

Poor eye-hand coordination?

Flea market maybe.

You lost me there. "Then"? My running windows?

It is good to have an opinion, but if somebody else's opinion differs from yours, you have no right to call them names. You should have learned that at home and not from me.

I am sorry but FUK you! I own both a PC and 360 you saying that console gamers are not PC literate is saying I am retarded so SCREW YOU! Sorry mods and George but this guy has gone too low!

I know tons of gamers that have both, maybe you cant afford a 360.

Imo PC gamers are running scared shit, 360 is DX10 compliant, has 3cores each 3.2ghz each and has next gen GPU that no PC graphics card even has yet!

I hate people like him and now I am intensely furious!! :mad:

I have spent over £3000 on my PC to date with constant upgrading! And I have spend more or less the same on my 360 and have owned top end Sony CRT and now a 32inch Samsung HD latest model!

So screw you before you start saying crap like people cannot afford both imo your the one that cannot afford jack all!

Probably get banned for this but sorry he just brought it out on me.

For the record 3DR, HH, Venom Games and T2 for the region free thankyou soo much for PREY it was awesome on the 360.

[Fragger]

It is good to have an opinion, but if somebody else's opinion differs from yours, you have no right to call them names. You should have learned that at home and not from me.
You missed that part.

[SuperSaiyan4]

You missed that part.

But you contradicted yourself! You clearly belittled everyone by saying what you did that they cant afford both!

I take that as an extremely huge insult! :mad:

Damn I probably have more money than you! If I wanted I could right now go build myself a £2000 PC with no problem!

[Orochi Avlis]

Imo PC gamers are running scared shit, 360 is DX10 compliant, has 3cores each 3.2ghz each and has next gen GPU that no PC graphics card even has yet!
And yet does nothing uber spectacular that you and the other fan boys brag on about. Specs mean nothing without the killer apps to back them up. PC gamers are running nowhere.
Do you know what Dx10 even brings to the table?

I have spent over £3000 on my PC to date with constant upgrading! And I have spend more or less the same on my 360 and have owned top end Sony CRT and now a 32inch Samsung HD latest model!
You don't to need to constantly upgrade. Be smart with your purchases and they will last for a long time.
Mid range PCs can run any game with all the effects turned on with a very decent or great framerate.

[SuperSaiyan4]

I have tried to keep up to date with the changes around me as soon as I went to 64 athlon dual core comes out! I have come from a Geforce 3 ti500 all the way and I mean literally all the way by upgrading pretty much to every new card that has come out to the 6600GT PCI-E card (nothing special I know) however thats over the course of a few years.

What I am saying you can forever be upgrading your PC, look at it right now if you want to play Crysis on its recommended spec you need a DX10 card. It never ends.

At least with the consoles devs can keep tapping into its power and deliver PC quality visuals on a games console costing a lot less.

I mean comparing the old Xbox to a PC say a couple of years ago PC blew it away but look at the 360 its damn well pretty much on par with a high end PC its just that until you see 360 only titles then you can make better judgements.

But the thing is as PC's keep getting upgrades the 360 will have the same hardware and games will look better and better and better.

[Orochi Avlis]

I have tried to keep up to date with the changes around me as soon as I went to 64 athlon dual core comes out! I have come from a Geforce 3 ti500 all the way and I mean literally all the way by upgrading pretty much to every new card that has come out to the 6600GT PCI-E card (nothing special I know) however thats over the course of a few years.
Did you not take into consideration of what could have been coming up at the time?
Whose fault is it that you kept on upgrading you graphic card everytime a new came out?

What I am saying you can forever be upgrading your PC, look at it right now if you want to play Crysis on its recommended spec you need a DX10 card. It never ends.
No. All those gameplay videos out there, all (if not, most) are in DirectX 9. And all run silky smooth and look gorgeous.

I mean comparing the old Xbox to a PC say a couple of years ago PC blew it away but look at the 360 its damn well pretty much on par with a high end PC its just that until you see 360 only titles then you can make better judgements.
No it's not. You like to think so, but it's not.

But the thing is as PC's keep getting upgrades the 360 will have the same hardware and games will look better and better and better.
There's that always upgrade mentality again.

[SuperSaiyan4]

360 and PS3 have caught up with PC's on visuals, however PC's again will pass console gaming on visuals but its an expensive way to keep up in order to see the improvements.

[Joe Siegler]

Debating the merits of PC vs console has no point in this thread.

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