Bio Menace 3D

[Imfamous]

Who else would love to see a new Bio Menace before or after 3D Realms finishes DNF? One of my favorite old games, I'd love to see it remade in 3D.

[Zztx]

As much as I'd love to see another game with a mustached/mulleted hero (seriously), I think I could pass on this.

[avatar_58]

Remade? Nope, no point. A new game in the Bio Menace style and world? Hell yes! :D

[moron]

o remake based on DNMP engin could be cool (although face it why reuse old IP when there so much better at making up a new and even cooler game hero today I would like to see a brand new sidscroler based on a all new hero)

[Delicieuxz]

How funny would it be to meet the Bio Menace guy in Duke Nukem Forever, Duke asks him "what're you doing," and he says "same thing as you"?

And if you could play his character in MP that'd own, and I think it would also fit.

[Xgthug]

Blasphemy.
Bio-Menace was the perfect sidescroller in all of it's artistic 2D goodness.
It's bad enough Apogee changed their name to 3D Realms,
but hopefully they wouldn't graphics-rape one of their best products.

But you never know...
If they're true to the original game and don't try to modernize it,
it could save the next generation of gaming.
A 3D version could be great as long as they don't try making it "realistic"...
That would take the fun out of everything.

All just my opinion. :p

[avatar_58]

If they're true to the original game and don't try to modernize it,
it could save the next generation of gaming.


Yet another sidescroller that tries nothing new or modern isn't going to 'save' gaming. In order for a sidescroller to work in this day and age people expect them to be unique and worth playing. If it was just the same old thing over again then it would tank big time.

Believe it or not, but some of us want new things with our games rather than clones of games of old. ;) I still play my old games so when I play new games that just copy them I get bored awfully fast.

[Xgthug]

Yet another sidescroller that tries nothing new or modern isn't going to 'save' gaming. In order for a sidescroller to work in this day and age people expect them to be unique and worth playing. If it was just the same old thing over again then it would tank big time.

Who's to say it wouldn't be original?
It sickens me how little sidescrollers are left in this world.
People are foolish to think all sidescrollers are obsolete.
Sidescrollers have much better controls and gameplay than normal fully directional platformers. (To me, good player-handling and controls are where most of the gameplay value takes place)

Look at all the new games that have come out in the last few years.
Have you payed attention to the basic gameplay mechanics in all the games
to come out recently? They're basically all the same.
I recently had the displeasure of playing Battlefield 2.
What an overrated pile of horse manure. The controls were slippery as hell,
and all the blur effects on the screen didn't help compliment it either.
Even Call of Duty 2 had much better control than that.
I would even say Call of Duty 2 even had pretty decent player control, even if it were just another war "simulator" as I call them.
It seems all the strictly-3D gamers just use storyline and "innovations" to hide the fact that all you mostly care about is how realistic the visuals are.
You say all you want is new gameplay, yet you play the same crap over and over again. To make it worse, you demand the same crap over and over again. This is why gaming is doomed. There hasn't been a sidescroller in so long. Another sidescroller would really spice things up.
I'm so sick of game reviews bashing sidescrollers for being out of date,
when really all the games they play and call original have even less gameplay value and are getting old faster than they realise.
Getting that out of the way, I never even said the remake/sequel
would have to be a sidescroller in order to be true to the original Bio-Menace.
I just shared my opinion. Some of you are probably screaming in your undies and punching your monitor right now, or the more smug of you are going through this post counting all the errors I've made.
It's just my opinion... Not that any of you respect it anyway. :p

[Imfamous]

As much as I'd love to see another game with a mustached/mulleted hero (seriously), I think I could pass on this.

But the mustache and mullet is what makes Bio Menace so great! That's why 3D Realms shouldn't just make a whole new IP; they've got an awesome character to boot right here.:D

[DOSGuy]

Nintendo seems to have caught on that sidescrollers are still fun. Super Mario 64 DS was too hard to control without an analog control stick, but the New Super Mario Bros. is awesome. It's not just more of the same: Mario can wall jump, stomp, and is way more acrobatic than he was on the SNES. Yoshi's Island 2 is coming soon. It is entirely possible to make a sidescroller that is original and fun in 2006.

[oak man]

Hell yes, but after DNF

[avatar_58]

Xgthug - calm the hell down guy, its not wise to male assumptions about people. You have gone off the dock a little there don't you think? I just said that rehashing an old platformer isn't a good idea and suddenly you took it as I said 'platformers suck' and 'I only want graphics'. I don't recall saying either and I don't appreciate your ranting.

Also there are tons of sidescrollers, they just aren't on the PC. Super Mario DS anyone? Also if you simply were to try some of the 'new-age' platformers such as Psychonauts maybe you wouldn't be such a purist with this genre.

After all we know what happened to Duke Manhatten don't we? It was an amazing game but frankly it tried nothing new and didn't sell very well at all. Believe it or not but many people are tired of the 'same old' and want unique titles.

Seriously Xgthug, if you move your eyes away from the apogee days you'd see that platformers are still around but they've evolved a little. You may not like the changes but some people do. For classical types I say get a DS as its obviously the choice.

[Spartan_234]

Sunstorm Interactive (the original developers of Duke Nukem: Manhattan Project) could probably work on Bio Menace 3D while 3D Realms finishes DNF. Oh, wait...Sunstorm went out of business!

I think that 3D Realms should create a Windows port of Bio Menace, as well as a patch for the DOS version that will fix the various compatibility problems.

[Imfamous]

When I say "Bio Menace 3D", I don't mean simply a BM game like Manhattan Project. I mean, full interactive FPS action. :D

[8IronBob]

Well, looks like Bio Menace could be remade as a third-person platformer like Max Payne, that would work, IMHO. Just gotta make sure that Human Head is up to third party development for 3DR again... :D

[avatar_58]

When I say "Bio Menace 3D", I don't mean simply a BM game like Manhattan Project. I mean, full interactive FPS action. :D

A bio menace first person shooter? Theres an interesting concept. :)

[Joe Siegler]

Who else would love to see a new Bio Menace before or after 3D Realms finishes DNF? One of my favorite old games, I'd love to see it remade in 3D.

You'd have to ask Jim Norwood. He holds the IP rights to Bio Menace and it's characters.

It is an interesting idea, though.

[Spartan_234]

You'd have to ask Jim Norwood. He holds the IP rights to Bio Menace and it's characters.

It is an interesting idea, though.

Wouldn't that mean that EA Redwood Shores would have to develop it? (Jim Norwood works at EA Redwood Shores now, right?)

[Joe Siegler]

No, it does not. His rights are his. That does not mean whoever he works for gets to publish that.

[twelvepaws]

I think I've exhausted the possibilities looking for 2d games with predictable controls that I haven't played before, so I vote for a new 2d Bio Menace for PC, or any new 2d sidescroller (as if my vote would do any good - *sigh*).

Or maybe a new game in the style of "Mystic Towers?" (Not to change the subject.)

[006 3/4]

I don't see a problem with remaking the old games in 3D, it worked for Mega Man Maverick Hunter X, didn't it? ...And no, I'm not a Sony fanboy, my bro let me play it on his PSP last time he was here.

[Qbix]

and exactly how does this interresting kick contribute to the discussion ?

[Joe Siegler]

I don't see a problem with remaking the old games in 3D, it worked for Mega Man Maverick Hunter X, didn't it? ...And no, I'm not a Sony fanboy, my bro let me play it on his PSP last time he was here.

Huh? What's this?

[006 3/4]

MHX is a 3D remake of an old SNES game and it was a big success. So I thought it might work with the Apogee games, too.

...

I'll go away, now.

[avatar_58]

A 3D remake of a well known IP versus a relatively obscure DOS game? You can't really compare the two. If Bio Menace 3D were released today people wouldn't recognize the name, so 3DRealms would be better of making a brand new game instead.

[Hudson]

I'm assuming you're talking about fan remakes. If you're talking about an official remake it's not gonna happen.

If it were to be remade it would probably have to be under a different name, and share similarities to BM instead of directly copying it.

Much like Serious Sam did with Duke Nukem.

[avatar_58]

Much like Serious Sam did with Duke Nukem.

Serious Sam shared something with Duke Nukem? One was a rail arcade shooter and the other a highly interactive 'Doom' type shooter. I don't see the similarities except for the use of guns and one-liners. The gameplay was completely different (Serious sam simple, Duke3D more in depth)

[Hudson]

Ok, then how about DNF and SiN? Better comparison? ;)