Deus Ex 3 petition

[beachsurfside]

http://www.petitiononline.com/DEUSEXRP/petition.html

just sign it....
if not i'll rip your stalking and poor on your pokemon card's

thank tho ..

[Dogy]

Despite how much I want to sign this thing, it won't work.

[0marTheZealot]

no. After the aborted fetus that was DX 2, there's no way in hell I'm supporting a DX 3.

[Otto von Keisinger]

What proof do we have that it would be a real sequel, versus another IW, for example? Anyways, if they actually follow from the plot of IW, there isn't much room for a sequel.

[avatar_58]

Why would anyone want DX3 without spector anyway? Then again he was involved with DX2.....

I say let the 'series' go. I want some new FPS/RPG games but I can do without another Deus Ex. Theres plenty more ideas for them to come up with instead of ripping off a previous title.

[beachsurfside]

tomb raider came out with differnt people developing it.
i mean after the ps2 incarnation...

[avatar_58]

tomb raider came out with differnt people developing it.
i mean after the ps2 incarnation...

So did Larry Magna Cum Laude.

[beachsurfside]

devil may cry....
thats a good example of how a series can be revived...

[XPM]

Burn petitions...BURN BURN BURN!

[Steve]

I don't want another Deus Ex after the piece of shit game named Deus Ex: Invisible war.

[tony]

Burn petitions...BURN BURN BURN!

http://www.petitiononline.com/dwnpetit/petition.html

[SyntaxN]

I want a DX3, but a real Deus Ex game...sadly I don´t think this will happen :(

[Aegeri]

devil may cry....
thats a good example of how a series can be revived...
It never died. The second game was somewhat poor being too easy and lacking the style of the first, but overall they redeemed themselves beautifully with the third game. Gamplay wise the second is fundamentally the same as the first, but without certain aspects that made the first game so great like the horrendously steep difficulty and learning curve.

[crunchy superman]

3? We haven't had a Deus Ex 2 yet.

;)

[SyntaxN]

3? We haven't had a Deus Ex 2 yet.

;)
So true... :o

[TheCheese33]

No way I'm signing this petition to put another game out. After how disappointed I was with Invisible War, I don't think I can ever go back to it.:(

[Gatinater]

I liked Deus Ex too, I tt would have been better if they had optimized before releasing it. Maybe it's supposed to run like shit on next generation PCs.. ????

[beachsurfside]

yea ok ...if duke nukem forever came out and was dumbed down for xbox ...you'd all be "i cant wait for some duke nukem 5 "
some of the biggest franchises in history have done it..

mario...zelda..castlevania...megaman , bomberman...
turok , tomb raider, devil may cry, ... i can even could even say doom 3 and quake 4 were let downs...but thats just my opinion..
at least in dx2 you had a choice..
yeah ..the game had bad glitches and framrate issues...it was simplified....
But it was still more complicated than alot of games... it tried too much and yea....it suffered... But i loved it...
i mean i remember when i built up my strength and picked up a chair and tossed it at the coffee guy ..it killed him on im pact ...that was funny .

hell ...we had a petition to delay the game when it was comming out ...
yeah ...
petitions done help ....
look at shenmue

i just wish

[big fat lazy]

Deus Ex IW wasn't that bad, just cause they took out almost everything that made DX cool in the first place.(namely skills and JC for me)

[Gatinater]

Plus it runz like ass on any computer you can find. I remember watching the gameplay videos before it was released and it ran like ass on the developer's hardware.

[Xerxes]

I didn't really give a shit about any of the charecters in Invisible War(as opposed to Deus Ex). Plus it was like half as long. And why'd they take out the 2D inventory and limited number of biomods per area of the body? I'm pretty sure you could get any biomod with a canister now...

Everything is the same size in the inventory too(in the normal old Deus Ex, the GEP Gun or NEB kicked ass but took up 8 and 4 inventory slots, respectively. The GEP gun was used for blowing bots up, mostly, and you could carry 20 rockets. Or you could carry LAMs and EMP granades, which have a max of 20 added up and are smaller, or all of it but then you can't carry something else. In Invisible War, everything's the same size..).

They had some pretty cool biomods though, and I like how you get to fire the turrents yourself now...

And there's the universal ammo... Also, they merged lockpicks and multitools. No skills either. I'm pretty sure they merged your health into one number instead of six(head, torso, two legs, two arms) and took out the four things that could happen to you per location when it gets damaged enough. And there aren't any keycodes now either; your charecter just knows them whenever you read something about it. I don't remember there being email or a datavault. And then you have a crisis right at the start of the game and you don't give a shit because you just started the game.

You could kill and piss off a group throughout the game and you'll still be able to win with them at the end. (same in the normal Deus Ex but there wasn't much conflict between the groups there)

Anyway, if something's bad, it's easier to make something better(Deus Ex 3)...

[Gatinater]

I loved the GEP gun because I didn't have to worry about most code or the need of multitools or lockpicks because I could just blow the door open. I was well worth the slots it required to carry it.

And most of the biomods sucked. Only one of the Black market mods was good and that was the hacking mod.

[Sang]

Well I started replaying Deus Ex since Tuesday, it'd be fun to see a follow up to it. So we've had IW but it kindof sucked - But that doesn't mean that DX3 will suck as well. As long as they get an engine that feels right.. I still love the movement and the feel of the Unreal Engine, perhaps that's why the horrific AI doesn't bother me all that much.

However I'm not going to sign the petition :)

[Nihilanth]

Invisible War was the same as DX with the exception that everything was smaller, more limited and more simplified. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_invisible_war) And it killed the game putting one of the best games ever along with other crap in a junkyard. Hail to the devs. Instead of making the game bigger and better, they made it smaller and more simplified. So IF DX3 is what most people expected from DX2, I'm into it. But if it's going to "improve" this game as much as IW did... Do I have to say anything more? Yep, you've got my vote, because it costs me nothing.

[Gatinater]

With no legal obligations what good is a petition?

I played Deus Ex because a free copy came with my PC. I never liked it much to begin with. To me it was a good free game with a lot of good ideas and cool gameplay features.

[XPM]

http://www.petitiononline.com/dwnpetit/petition.html
Already signed it some time ago :p

[Xerxes]

I loved the GEP gun because I didn't have to worry about most code or the need of multitools or lockpicks because I could just blow the door open. I was well worth the slots it required to carry it.
You could upgrade melee weapon skills and use the maxed combat strenght biomod and the dragon tooth sword to bash the doors open and not need ammo though. It'll cost you lots of skill points and biomod upgrade canisters, and you won't be able to use the other biomod that let you pick up heavy objects, however.

Only one of the Black market mods was good and that was the hacking mod.
What about the bot dominion mod, or the spy drone that did lots of damage mod? (I forgot the rest)

Two more things about Invisible War:
-They took out the music(more or less). Deus Ex's was good and they took it out in Invisible War...
-They merged augmentation canisters and upgrade canisters, I think.

[Gatinater]

I remember the door busting, now that you mention it. I did that too. The only upgrading I remember doing was what had the best all around benefit.

[Ints]

Is there actually any proof that the petitions work?

Imo petitions are meaningless, i really doubt somebody is going to spend millions on developing a game because somebody signed a petition.

[Gatinater]

They will just ignore the petition, because they have no legal obligation to act upon it. They are not the government. They are a private business.

[motionblur]

http://www.petitiononline.com/DEUSEXRP/petition.html

just sign it....
if not i'll rip your stalking and poor on your pokemon card's

thank tho ..
Petitions, eh? Do you know how long that link about the blood sourcecode is in my sig, now? ;)

[Damien_Azreal]

Well, nobody can really blame Spector for DX:IW. He wasn't directcly involved with that title. Harvey Smith was the project director of DX:IW, Spector just kindo foversaw everything.

Spector had more influence on Thief 3, surprisingly it's the better game. :p But when Ion Storm died so did any chance for a DX 3 or Thief 4. :(

[gamejunkie]

Online petitions are a waste of time and bandwidth. Deus Ex: Invisible War was good but not great, so let's not mess it up more shall we?

Besides, do people even care about online petitions?

[SyntaxN]

Spector had more influence on Thief 3, surprisingly it's the better game. :p But when Ion Storm died so did any chance for a DX 3 or Thief 4. :(
AFAIR Thief 4 was somehow planned...but as a stealth game in a more modern scenario, means Splinter Cell clone. This is a direction Thief clearly shouldn´t go :o

[Damien_Azreal]

IMO it wouldn't be possible in modern times... that wold mean we wouldn't play as Garret, right? Cause he would've died by old age.

And without Garret it wouldn't work, and besides Thief is so great because of it's setting. Castles, nights and such... those are the things that make the game so great IMO.

[ShadeEX]

Petitions, eh? Do you know how long that link about the blood sourcecode is in my sig, now? ;)

im number 443 in that petetion.. ;)

[Wamplet]

no. After the aborted fetus that was DX 2, there's no way in hell I'm supporting a DX 3.

Word the hell up.

[John]

You....have played Deus Ex 2, right? Why in the bloody hell would we ever support a sequel to THAT pos.

[Gatinater]

It wasn't THAT bad.

[SyntaxN]

IMO it wouldn't be possible in modern times... that wold mean we wouldn't play as Garret, right? Cause he would've died by old age.

And without Garret it wouldn't work, and besides Thief is so great because of it's setting. Castles, nights and such... those are the things that make the game so great IMO.
A game like this wouldn´t be "Thief" anymore, I guess they just planned to use the popular name :mad:


It wasn't THAT bad.
Take away the Deus Ex and call it "Invisible War"...cool game actually. Now treat it like a Deus Ex game, yes then it´s that bad ;)

[big fat lazy]

^ Agreed. Invisible War as a game by itself, pretty decent. As a sequel to DX, horrible.

[Higher Game]

From interviews after the Ion Storm fiasco, I think Warren Spector actually feels guilty about everything. Despite making FPS games, much of his interviews and such are posted at RPGcodex, so I read about him some.

[Malgon]

big fat lazy put it well. There were some things that worked (being more accessable) but there were things it did fail on too. I thought combat was very weak, and the game did seem hollow in some parts and almost too easy. But it did manage to do more stuff than some recent games that I know of.

I don't think I'll sign the petition, as there isn't anyone who could create a third game, let alone that there isn't much of a direction to head with story wise. Best left alone imo.

[Dawid van Straaten]

I signed the petition because I want to see a game that is like Deus Ex and Deus Ex: Invisible War. That said I don't think there'll be a cool plot for Deus Ex 3, continuing from right where Deus Ex: Invisible War left of, so my suggestion will be that they create a Deus Ex game, that has nothing to do with the DX and DX: IW, but rather create a game that is build upon the same ideals as DX and DX: IW was built. A game where you have multiple solutions to problems, a game with skills but implemented in a way that it doesn't get in the way of the player, a game where every character has his own political agenda, his/her own ideas, a game which is set in a believable futuristic environment, real world cities, etc.

Still one thing bothering me about DX:IW where is JC's glasses?

[Destroyer]

dude these online petitions never work unless if you got several million dollors to go along with it.

[Ajaxx]

1. Online petitions NEVER work. N-E-V-E-R! At no point in time has anything worth mentioning been influneced in any way by an online petition. More often than not, the people that are being "apealed" to, don't even know the damned things exist! :doh: I wish people would realize that and stop doing them.

2. Deus Ex 2 was a disappointing follow-up to the original in almost every way. Even if you put aside the stiff animation, the inane and overly simplified gameplay mechanics (which eliminated pratically everything that set the original apart from a typical shooter) and the bland level designs, you're still left with the story's 4 endings....all of which are so closed-ended that they do not lend themselves very well to a sequel being made at all.

What exactly would Deus Ex 3 be about anyway? There's nothing left to be said in that storyline. It's over. Better to come up with a completely different setting and story and put Deus Ex to rest, if you ask me.

[Dawid van Straaten]

They can make Deus Ex 3: What happened to JC's sun glasses. It will be a direct sequel to Deus Ex and it will explain in full detial why JC Denton didn't have sun glasses in Deus Ex Invisible War, and why JC Denton fought like a n00b at the end of Invisible War(one of the 4 endings). It will further go on to explain why JC Denton didn't have ears in Deus Ex, why Deus Ex: Invisible War didn't have skill points, what happened to Morgan Evertt, why Morgan Everett didn't revive Lucius Debeers, What happened to Jock the pilot and did he in fact reincarnate as Jock of the Bushveld, Did Paul actually have an affair with Maggie Chow, Is Alex D in fact the Nano Augmented agent who escaped from the lab, how it was possible for all three endings to be true since JC blew up the whole building with Helios inside the building, but he also merged with Helios... So the plot thickens. There's enough questions to be able to make Deus Ex 3, but the most important one remains what happened to JC's sun glasses? BTW what brand was his sun glasses, and why wasn't there a (Ren)ton Hotel in Deus Ex: Invisible War?

Yeah I know the petition won't do anything, otherwise Monkey Island 5 would've been out ages ago ;). Yes everybody knows that the story ended with IW, but you could still create a game on the same ideals that's what I meant, a spiritual predessecor like Bioshock is to System Shock, they have nothing to do with each other storywise.

[John]

You don't even play JC Denton in Deus Ex:IW do you?

[Dawid van Straaten]

No you play as Alex D.

[Steve]

No you play as Alex D.
I even hated that character in Deus Ex IW. He was a bitch.

I never bothered with the female character. Finishing the game with the male character was enough for me. Just a bad game. My god. It sucked.

[Sang]

The thing that put me off the most was the movement and the fact that the game looked really bulky. Deus Ex 1 has a more solid look, which is why I love(d) it ;)

[Dawid van Straaten]

I even hated that character in Deus Ex IW. He was a bitch.

I never bothered with the female character. Finishing the game with the male character was enough for me. Just a bad game. My god. It sucked.
The only difference are that you probably some of the NPCs react differently to you, which give the game more replay value. In the end I still finished Deus Ex 7 times and Deus Ex Invisible War 3 times. The performance wasn't good at all, the textures looked like shit, you could feel that it was a console port(The controls like mentioned earlier), the character development was hugely simlified versus that of the original Deus Ex, the universal ammo (Bad concept), Bad Artificial Intelegence, Unrealistic Sci-Fi story(too far into the future, the original Deus Ex was very believable), the biomods was very simplified vs. the augmentations. All that said, I still loved the game, it wasn't Deus Ex caliber but it was good, a friend of mine once said that if they didn't call it Deus Ex it would've done better for Ion Storm and Eidos.

[Drazula]

Deus Eck 2 sucked. Why do we need a 3?

[Xerxes]

why Morgan Everett didn't revive Lucius Debeers
Morgan explains in the normal Deus Ex.
If he revived DuBeers, he would have to give up control over the Illuminati.
If he killed him, he wouldn't be able to use him to solve problems...

What happened to Jock the pilot and did he in fact reincarnate as Jock of the Bushveld
He doesn't necessarly die in Deus Ex.
Kill Morgan's technician.

and why wasn't there a (Ren)ton Hotel in Deus Ex: Invisible War?
I don't think there was a Hell's Kitchen in Invisible War(could be wrong I suppose)...

[Sang]

You know, if there's a patch that fixes the really annoying HUD, among other things, I might give the demo another try. Is there such a patch? (and one that is for the demo, no way I'm getting the full version)

[Dawid van Straaten]

Morgan explains in the normal Deus Ex.
If he revived DuBeers, he would have to give up control over the Illuminati.
If he killed him, he wouldn't be able to use him to solve problems...


He doesn't necessarly die in Deus Ex.
Kill Morgan's technician.


I don't think there was a Hell's Kitchen in Invisible War(could be wrong I suppose)...
I know dude it was a joke. I finished Deus Ex 7 times each time I did something somewhere differently. I just wanted to joke a round a little. Morgan Everett said something more to the effect that DuBeers was crazy, and that he never promised him that he'll give him a new body and if he wanted to he could have done that years ago, or at least that's how I remember it. I didn't see Jock in Invisible War so I guessed that they decided that he died in Deus Ex 1, like they decided that Paul lived, although he could die or live in Deus Ex 1. :).

[Malgon]

The feel of everything in IW was very lightweight, with all of the weapons lacking oomph. Enemies not reacting properly to being hit also added to the fact that nothing felt very responsive within the world. I guess that's just the start of the complaints that could be levelled at the game.
Deus Ex 1 on the other hand wasn't perfect, but rather a flawed masterpiece imo. And that's all that matters to me. :)

[December Man]

YESSS!! Another pointless petition, no one will even notice!

[Dogy]

YESSS!! Another pointless petition, no one will even notice!

:p

Pointless petitions FTW!