Movement

[anomix]

Will DNF be the standard "forward, backwards, strafe left, strafe right" setup or will there be a "lean left and right" function added into the game.

Also will there actions like if i double tapped "left strafe" duke would "burst strafe left" to be able to dodge rockets, etc..

[Echo Black]

Regular WASD is perfect, "Lean" keys belong to tactical shooters IMO. Same thing as going prone, I just can't picture Duke doing it.

[ReadOnly]

AFAIR, George said that there's no need for a lean keys.

Couldn't find the quote though.

[SpinX]

wouldn,t it be cool when the alternative fire mode for the pistol was that duke would duck behind any object that is in front or a side of him... and the enemys would do the same? then you would get some really cool shoot-outs

[Mr.Sociopath]

I hope there will be lean keys still ..even if only for occasionnal use..like against turrets for exemple..
about this.. the game could hardly be more run and gun than prey.. prey didn't have leaning.. but it would have proven usefull in some occasion..

[Commando Nukem]

I hope there will be lean keys still ..even if only for occasionnal use..like against turrets for exemple..
about this.. the game could hardly be more run and gun than prey.. prey didn't have leaning.. but it would have proven usefull in some occasion..

Their aim has always been to have as few keys as possible, so I doubt they'll have lean.

[Yatta]

Leaning is for pussies. Duke is no *****.

[Micki!]

Leaning is for pussies. Duke is no *****.

Is the opposite of pussies Dicks..? Duke ain't no ****...:dopefish:

(Note, this word is not censored, but i did that myself, to make it similar to Yatta's post... just for fun :hhg:)

[FireFly]

AFAIR, George said that there's no need for a lean keys.

Couldn't find the quote though.
"I don't get why leaning is good in an action game. The whole point is to blow things up. Anything that facilitates hiding, sneaking or avoiding combat goes against the very nature of the game, imo." (Febuary, 2005)

[hell-angel]

For Duke I want not leaning and I also don't care about proning and hiding behind boxes. :)

[TTK-Bandit]

leaning is only working for slow games, like wolfenstein, cs and other games where you try to sneak arround, hiding from the enemy.
duke is running too fast, you're better off attacking the enemy while running instead of leaning behind a wall.
even if there was the ability to lean in dnf, it would not be used, because you would not gain any improvements with it.

[peoplessi]

Wolfenstein slow?? Compare it to CS? No no no, RtCW is damn fast, Enemy Territory is tad slower. But no means close to CS-like-slow. I still agree that leaning is no good, even though in ET that is possible(which I really think would be better of without).

[german duke fan]

leaning is just for people who hide behind corners, duke would never do this, so they just can´t put it into the game. same with going to prone, he is only crouching to get into some ventilation shaft or to pump some shells into an aliens ass. so good old wasd is best for the duke! and i hope he can jump as high as in duke 3d that was fun.

[anomix]

all of the above statements are not entirely true, i played soldier of fortune 2 for four years, that has to be one of the most fast paced run and shoot games still out there, and that has a lean function. but i do agree that duke should be kept to the standard WASD, i was just seeing what other peoples thoughts were

[FireFly]

leaning is just for people who hide behind corners, duke would never do this, so they just can´t put it into the game. same with going to prone, he is only crouching to get into some ventilation shaft or to pump some shells into an aliens ass. so good old wasd is best for the duke! and i hope he can jump as high as in duke 3d that was fun.
So are you saying Duke never uses cover? Because leaning is merely a way of maximising the effectiveness of cover.

[Kalki]

I expect to duck behind cover at the very least. Even Duke's not stupid to always go running into heavy gunfire.

[The Count]

and i hope he can jump as high as in duke 3d that was fun.

Sorry to disappoint you:
"Nowhere near as fast as Duke 3D and probably more like you see in modern shooters!". George Broussard, 01-31-2006, about Duke`s running speed in DNF

http://forums.3drealms.com/vb/showthread.php?p=243597&highlight=fast#post243597

[Micki!]

Although, about jumping, he said somthing in the lines of: "Duke will be able to jump higher than your average scientist" :D

[Lio Convoy]

Regular WASD is perfect, "Lean" keys belong to tactical shooters IMO. Same thing as going prone, I just can't picture Duke doing it.

UDLR is better than WASD. You can bind keys so mch better all around it and never accidently press any other keys. Makes it easier with the mouse for looking as well. Leaning is good for slow paced sniper type games, but for action games, it's comepletely useless.

[brabee]

I wouldn't mind leaning if it would be done just like in RTCW - you can lean without being seen, but can't attack. This spoiled Soldier Of Fortune in my opinion - you could "lean-shoot" through the whole game...

[The Count]

Although, about jumping, he said somthing in the lines of: "Duke will be able to jump higher than your average scientist" :D
True :o
Overall I think movement speed in DNF is gonna be something in the middle between Duke3D and modern FPS - he`ll still be faster than Freeman :)

[Micki!]

Makes me wonder if there's a sprint ability in DNF...

[The Count]

You mean even faster than running instead of walking ?
probably if something like steroids is back in

[hell-angel]

leaning is only working for slow games, like wolfenstein, cs and other games where you try to sneak arround, hiding from the enemy.
duke is running too fast, you're better off attacking the enemy while running instead of leaning behind a wall.
even if there was the ability to lean in dnf, it would not be used, because you would not gain any improvements with it.

Sneakink around in wolfenstein??

[Malgon]

I reckon lean should be in for those players who wish to use it. If you don't want to use lean, then you don't bind the keys. Simple! :)

[Mr.Sociopath]

I thought about the importance of leaning yesterday while I was owning everyone in FEAR: combat.. I was head shoting everyone with the penetrator and then I met some wise guy which was leaning his stupid head so I couldn't head shot him so much.. It actually worked very good.. I eventually won anyway.. but leaning is very good :p

[kong235]

why would duke need to lean he never hides wtf is the point of asking

[german duke fan]

but a wide movement spectrum would be nice in the srip bars......

[SyntaxN]

Sneakink around in wolfenstein??
In RTCW, yes ;)
I´m curious what "never hides" is supposed to mean, I hope no Serious Sam gameplay.

[Mr.Sociopath]

I´m curious what "never hides" is supposed to mean, I hope no Serious Sam gameplay.

I'm a bit scared of that notion actually..usually this kind of game is reserved either to games that dies kind of fast(no game longevity .. painkiller and serious sam for exemple), or low budget games(most of them don't require much tactics..even if they weren't meant to be that way)..

[Little Conqueror]

I think what that "never hides" thing means is Duke doesn't try to be stealthy. He goes in, guns blazing. He'll take cover, but he'll do so in a cocky, badass swagger.

[Sang]

WASD is for sissies. Arrow keys ftw.

[Commando Nukem]

I think what that "never hides" thing means is Duke doesn't try to be stealthy. He goes in, guns blazing. He'll take cover, but he'll do so in a cocky, badass swagger.

Freaking A, thats how he be doin' it man!

[Amakou]

WASD is for sissies. Arrow keys ftw.

w00t!

Finally someone else who uses arrow keys.

~Amakou~

[Mr.Sociopath]

I do too.. And I used to say about the same.. but now I use more the wasd standard.. cause I think there must be a reason why they put the default keys there(like more buttons nearer)
but I still like arrow keys.. it's feels more spaced.. using control to duck shift to run enter to open, 1 on numpad to lean left 0 on numpad to lean right.. 4 numpad for grenades.. and other depending of the game :p

[mr. pinky demon]

Has it really came to this, a thread about movement. I can tell many of you dont have any new questions relating to duke that has been said already. Im gonna wait till i see one regarding Duke nukem forever have a darker jeans than blue jeans.

[Commando Nukem]

Has it really came to this, a thread about movement. I can tell many of you dont have any new questions relating to duke that has been said already. Im gonna wait till i see one regarding Duke nukem forever have a darker jeans than blue jeans.

Actually Dukes Look has been covered at least three times over the last few years, generally the thought of Duke wearing anything other then the norm, is insulting to most. :)

[Zorgblub]

About the movements, I hope it will be fluid, with not much headbob. In most of the games using body awareness, movements are a little weird, like in Dark messiah or Thief 3, where the camera looks like following each step of the character, and not going straight.

[Damien_Azreal]

I don't care, leaning works in some games (FEAR, CoD2, HL2 needed it) and games like PREY don't really need it.

I doubt Duke will have lean, but in DN3D you could look to your sides. Which I always thought was a little odd, cause I usualy just turned that direction instead of looking. :p

And Zorgblub, if that's how FBA feels then it's doing it right. Standard movement in FPS is not correct. It's basically a floating camera with a gun model in front of it.
FBA simulates realistic movement, tis why most gamers don't like it in games... it feels disorientating because it looks and feels realistic.
It creates conflicts with you head, your eyes see a realistic movement but yet your body is not moving. Which is why some peopel get motion sickness from playing FPS games. I'm all for FBA and it gets better with each and every game that comes out.

[Zorgblub]

I agree that FBA can in some games enhance the experience (Thief 3 is a good exemple) but i don't see Duke with that type of movement. I think the game has to be slower than the average FPS to enjoy these moves.

[Kristian Joensen]

What "type" of movement, FBA or leaning ? Because FBA has already been confirmed for the game. I believe leaning has also been confirmed to be lacking.

[big fat lazy]

The only time I use lean keys alot are in stealth games like NOLF 2. I rarely use them in straight forward shooters like Fear and CoD.

[corn wizard]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sang
WASD is for sissies. Arrow keys ftw.
w00t!

Finally someone else who uses arrow keys.

~Amakou~


I will personally kick your collective arrow usin' asses at DNF ...wid:cool:


-awsd simply has more buttons conveniently in the vicinity
-if you lay your hand naturally on awsd, your thumb is on the space bar and your pinky is on Lshift.. arrows just feel unnatural (if your left hand is on the arrows and your right is on the mouse). If I was a lefty I'd use lp:"

You guys should have an all arrow clan so us awsd's can whore your server:D

[Amakou]

You will get your ass kicked before you can even move....don't underestimate arrow keys simply because YOU can't use them....

~Amakou~

[Mr.Sociopath]

I agree with both.. it's just whatever you feel is right for you.. in shooters I usually take arrows and am on top of lists(does not mean always first.. but at least on top 3 almost everytime)..
but I don't mind using wasd from time to time depending the type of game(GRAW for exemple for the ghosts control commands)
so it's best for a game with a lot of commands.. but for individual deathmach i'd prefer arrows.. there's more breathing room in a way

[Drewcifer]

Real men use the original id setup: Up arrow forward, down arrow back, left and right for turning. Strafing is for pussies.

[Kalki]

:rolleyes:

In Soviet multiplayer, pussies lick you!

[DavoX]

Arrows suck. It's completely unrealistic to think that DNF will use an arrows system :)

[Micki!]

Arrows suck. It's completely unrealistic to think that DNF will use an arrows system :)

If you speak of an default setup, i believe so too... but it's up to the user how it will be in the end...

Personally, i also use arrows... i DO strafe with left and right... turning is done with the mouse, i nwever saw why this feature is still in todays games with mouse support...

i use every key around the arrows... the other keys are a step further away from my movement keys, than the letter keys are to each others... i don't accidently get to press another key that way...

Well, that's what i prefer... doesn't make me a bad gamer...

[Dark Angel]

It would be cool is you could configure DNF the way you want it. For those who don't like leaning just don't do it. For those who want to lean and do other stuff there should be an advanced setup for movement. This way everybody is happy.

[Amakou]

Customizable controls. Everybody happ-ay.

Whatever floats your boat. Just because you cannot use a different setup, does not mean you call it inferior.

~Amakou~

[Drewcifer]

What are you talking about? Arrow movement/turning is the perfect synthesis of design and functionality. It is far superior to this "mouse" fad. Mouse...please...

[Micki!]

What are you talking about? Arrow movement/turning is the perfect synthesis of design and functionality. It is far superior to this "mouse" fad. Mouse...please...

For me, turning seems useless when i have mouse support for a game... it's more precise, and the reason for me to even look in another direction, is because i'm aiming there, or looking at something... and the best way to look and focus on something that is not in front of you, is to aim there with the mouse...

Having turning used on the keyboard, while also having a mouse, is as if you have 2 turn features...

But that's my opinion, and what you prefer is your opinion... we shouldn't argue about each other preferences being wrong... there's no point in that...:o

[Drewcifer]

I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

[Micki!]

I wasn't being sarcastic at all.

:rolleyes:...

It's not unrealistic to imagine people who really say stuff like this though...
It's like the people who laugh at me and other people who use arrow keys... as if we were bad players/n00bs and not good at playing games...

[NoLifeKing]

I really hope there will be more than your standard wasd four direction movement. Duke should be able to perform some additional evasive action like dodging, diving or an evasive roll.

It doesn't have to be UT2004 style quad jump ending in a walljump, but a bit of extra movement sure does spice up the game.

To me leaning in a fast paced action shooter feels almost like cheating or camping, so I vote against that.

Arrow keys were definitely superior for the old "Doom" clones, where you had vertical aiming help and high speed movement. But for todays games turning is often more important than beautiful strafing maneuvers (although I personally kinda regret that) and there the mouse is a better instrument because it is faster and has a much higher range of input.

[Sang]

-awsd simply has more buttons conveniently in the vicinity


So? You think I can't reconfigure my setup? :)

I use Home for reload, End for Use, Control for Ducking and Enter for jumping. In games which support it, Delete for Flashlight, Insert for sprinting (or slowmo in the case of FEAR) and page up as a "grenade throwing" button.

[Mr.Sociopath]

So? You think I can't reconfigure my setup? :)

I use Home for reload, End for Use, Control for Ducking and Enter for jumping. In games which support it, Delete for Flashlight, Insert for sprinting (or slowmo in the case of FEAR) and page up as a "grenade throwing" button.

I agree that most games are playable with arrows instead of wasd..
sang, when you use the delete end instert page up page down.. do you have to move your hand?(leaving the arrows and stop running for exemple)or did you get used to it?

I usually prefer when using arrows to use the numpad on the right(and ctrl shift enter on the left) instead of the end insert delete buttons..
so you can reach easily with the pinky(left) and index(right) fingers

but beyond games like fear , I prefer using wasd..unfortunately fps with more complex controls than fear are becoming more rare..

[Sang]

sang, when you use the delete end instert page up page down.. do you have to move your hand?

Nope. Although naturally I can't press them all simultaneously ;)

[Drewcifer]

I can press 11 keys at once if I'm not wearing pants. 9 if I am wearing pants.

[Micki!]

I can press 11 keys at once if I'm not wearing pants. 9 if I am wearing pants.

:o :censored:

[corn wizard]

Lawnmower man suit beats all. I'm getting one off NewEgg when DNF comes out. They should be pretty cheap by then, although NewEgg might be called OldEgg when that happens.

[Malgon]

I can press 11 keys at once if I'm not wearing pants. 9 if I am wearing pants.

Haha! Someone should sig that! :D